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#2001 ViMaMo

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:48

I would hate to see him in the bottom deck. He shouldnt opt for the HRT, Marussia or Caterham.

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#2002 Sakae

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:01

He said the car was good on intermediate tyres, but struggled as the track dried up, which was well predicted as Sauber has been weak on normal dry condition for past several races incl Brazil. He said the main objective of this race is to pass and increase gap b/w Merc as much as possible, so he took a risk and gave it a try. Why not? It's been clear that Sauber's target has been to beat Merc in championship standing, so whether racing for "money" or not etc now is quite off the mark.


Regarding 2013, he said his post-Brazil schedule is packed. he and his managing team are working hard on it right now. Hopefully good news coming soon.

What is good news in terms of having a ride in 2013? Lotus would be best, but I think Gro will stay. Then perhaps Williams is left. I am not so sure that FI will survive.

#2003 Don_Humpador

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:32

Fingers crossed for a seat next year. Failing that, a third driver role or an LMP1 drive for Toyota. Even if his F1 career is now over, I'll take many fond memories from the last few years:

- Dicing with champion-elect Button during his very first F1 race, at Interlagos in 2009, then rejoining the battle in Abu Dhabi.
- Powersliding through the Wall of Champions chicane in 2011.
- The many great overtaking manoeuvres, too many to mention here.
- The funny interviews and off-track moments.
- And of course, the home podium finish this year, especially the Japanese fans' reaction.

Not bad when his racing career looked to be over after his 2009 GP2 campaign.

Yup, completely agreed with all this. :up:

I think it's amazing how far he's come really. End of 2009 he had nothing to go to, no real prospects for racing. Glock had his accident, imagine that, if Glock had stayed a few inches to the right, we would never have had Kobayashi in F1 (probably).

Incredbile to think an entire career can revolve around one fraction of a second. Then in two races he made more of an impression on me than any other driver ever. Almost nobody would fight with Button like he did in Brazil his first race. He had so much guts to do that, to try and take his big opportunity in life. And then again in Abu Dhabi fighting with Raikkonen to keep ahead and then again with Button, and beating Trulli.

I think it was quite apt that Kamui started in Brazil fighting with a World Champion, and his last race with Sauber, fighting in Brazil with World Champions.

#2004 dog-y

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 13:41

Having him on Lotus would be fantastic, but I don't believe it's a realistic thought. Maybe back with Honda in... 2014?


#2005 MattPete

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 14:37

What is good news in terms of having a ride in 2013? Lotus would be best, but I think Gro will stay. Then perhaps Williams is left. I am not so sure that FI will survive.


I thought Force India just got a $50million infusion for next year.

#2006 Sakae

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 14:49

I thought Force India just got a $50million infusion for next year.

Could be, I don't really follow that team so closely, but even that amount in the world of F1 is really small change, don't you think?

Edited by Sakae, 26 November 2012 - 14:51.


#2007 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 20:42

Would be sad if this thread outlives his F1 career :(

If Kamui isn't on the grid next year (which I hope isn't the case :cry: ) it's because Poochie called and Kamui is needed on his home planet

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That really is a glorious picture :lol:

#2008 KinoNoNo

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 22:36

If Kamui isn't on the grid next year (which I hope isn't the case :cry: ) it's because Poochie called and Kamui is needed on his home planet

That really is a glorious picture :lol:

I still can't believe how much air-time he got there.

#2009 alain_sl

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:18

http://instagram.com/p/ShkmwPw7lF/

looks like he is traveling in economy class ?

#2010 Don_Humpador

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:47

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104619

£500,000? Seems like a lot in a few days.

I might send him £5 if I knew how :p:

#2011 pixelpunk

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:10

Kamui should set up a kickstarter project, I would back him.

#2012 Anderis

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:26

Could be, I don't really follow that team so closely, but even that amount in the world of F1 is really small change, don't you think?

No, not really. $50 million is a lot of cash for a midfield team.
- $20 million is what will Red Bull get from Infinity as a title sponsorship next year.
- $12-15 million is what Bruno Senna brings to Williams through plenty of sponsors including Gillette, Embratel, OGX, Head&Shoulders and MRV.
- $50 million is about a half of what midfield teams like Force India or Sauber spend overall throuhout a year. It's less than the difference between Mercedes' and Williams' budgets in 2011.
It's the amount of money that really can make a difference in F1. It's not enough to transform a lower-midfield team into a consistent front-runner, but it's enough to fix any financial problems or give a significant boost in performance for a midfield team.

Force India's future doesn't look that bad IMO, at least for 2013.

#2013 Jejking

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:40

There already is one, not a KS but another one. Picked up 500k+

#2014 Don_Humpador

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:16

There already is one, not a KS but another one. Picked up 500k+

This is what is already being talked about. But nobody outside Japan can use it I don't think. That's why an actual kickstarter might be better for the global fans of Kamui.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 19:50

Kick Starter sounds like a good option. Kamui's management should really look into it.

I do think that racing for Force India can be very interesting. Look how it went well in Brazil. Many doubted the move of Hulkemburg to Sauber as well with good reason. Naturally seeing Kamui in Lotus next to Kimi would be the best possible option, but I am afraid that Kamui in Lotus 2013 has a very low probability to be true...

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 18:52

What about Kamui - to Indycar? and maybe even a super Japanese team with takuma sato and honda?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 19:24

What about Kamui - to Indycar? and maybe even a super Japanese team with takuma sato and honda?

No thanks. It's F1 or bust for me.

#2018 Sakae

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 20:13

Only one good seat remains unconfirmed? Maybe Lotus / FI?

Edited by Sakae, 28 November 2012 - 20:14.


#2019 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 21:07

Well, he's managed to raise £625,913.50 (€774,611.14) so far :eek: .

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#2020 KinoNoNo

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 22:39

Well, he's managed to raise £625,913.50 (€774,611.14) so far :eek: .

From practically a standing start too.

In the words of Darth Vader "Impressive" :p

But I do wonder whether it's all rather too late :well:


#2021 nomi

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 00:21

That amount will get him 1 race.

#2022 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 00:41

That amount will get him 1 race.

True, Will Buxton tweeted that the amount yesterday, around €500,000, would buy Kobayashi a season in GP3. Says it all really :well:

KinoNoNo I think you're right, it does appear to be a little too late. Seems the only hope he has is if one of the remaining teams take a punt on him, without bringing any of the financial backing like Senna, or Burn suddenly say to Lotus 'we need an Asian driver' which seems unlikely.

#2023 fisssssi

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:44

Maybe they'll say "we need an awesome driver!" and then he'll be in luck ;)

#2024 Jimisgod

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 19:47



Kobayashi aged 12.

TBH, his season wasn't that bad, he was far closer to Perez than Di Resta was to Hulkenberg, and Di Resta gets another go.

Edited by Jimisgod, 29 November 2012 - 19:49.


#2025 encircled

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:37

Total funds for Kamui now 127,863,961 Yen or around $1.55m US Dollars or 966,000 Pounds.

#2026 Sakae

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:39

Total funds for Kamui now 127,863,961 Yen or around $1.55m US Dollars or 966,000 Pounds.

...for which which seat?

#2027 encircled

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:40

I don't know. I'm only updating the funds he has raised from kamui-support.

#2028 Starish

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:57

...for which which seat?

5-mil could get him a Force India drive, he c an't compete with Grosjean's total backing though.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:19

5-mil could get him a Force India drive, he c an't compete with Grosjean's total backing though.


Now Caterham fan boy sasy that Lotus is being sold. Heikki in there. No confirmation, tho.

#2030 Shiroo

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:33

just donated 100 euro for his case. good luck mate

#2031 billm99uk

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:35

5-mil could get him a Force India drive, he c an't compete with Grosjean's total backing though.


I thought that was in doubt because of uh, "road safety" issues  ;)

#2032 Wander

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 16:07

Force India: Speed not money will be deciding factor for line-up
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104664

Could this be a hint towards Kamui being a serious contender for the seat? I don't think any of the other options are better than him to be honest.

#2033 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 16:12

Force India: Speed not money will be deciding factor for line-up
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104664

Could this be a hint towards Kamui being a serious contender for the seat? I don't think any of the other options are better than him to be honest.

Sutil easily, but don't know how 1-year brake could affect on him

#2034 One

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 16:57

Force India: Speed not money will be deciding factor for line-up
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104664

Could this be a hint towards Kamui being a serious contender for the seat? I don't think any of the other options are better than him to be honest.


i HOPE SO FOR kAMUI.

#2035 email

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 19:43

Google translated news from Kamui support website:
http://www.kamui-sup....com/kamui.html

"Once again Thank you very much for your support to "KAMUI SUPPORT". Although one week passed since launching this website, I have a lot of really thank you for the support from everyone at a faster pace than I had imagined. I'm also very encouraging that a lot of messages received during this time. I'm running around I returned to Japan after the race in Brazil GP, while in contact with Europe every day, to be collected the money somehow. Good luck because good news soon to be delivered so that everyone, We are looking forward to hearing from you. Kamui Kobayashi on December 1, 2012"


#2036 Boxerevo

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 20:00

They wasted so much money with other Japanese drivers, that when the "chosen one" is here no big money comes. :mad:

Edited by ForeverF1, 01 December 2012 - 20:17.


#2037 mich

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:35

They wasted so much money with other Japanese drivers, that when the "chosen one" is here no big money comes. :mad:


IMO in Japan there are no super Rich men like Carlos Slim who supports Mexican drivers, Perez and Gutiérrez, but many pretty riches who can spend 100$ just for fun.

#2038 Snic

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:57

What happens to the money if he doesn't get a seat next year?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:01

he will use them for 2014 I believe. if he wont get a seat in 2014 also he will put them for some charity case?

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#2040 Peter Perfect

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:22

What happens to the money if he doesn't get a seat next year?

He gets to have one hell of a weekend ;)

he will use them for 2014 I believe. if he wont get a seat in 2014 also he will put them for some charity case?

I think that's the most likely solution (2014/charity).

I really hope he gets the FI seat. He's a great driver and deserves to be able to show his talent.

#2041 Anderis

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:24

They wasted so much money with other Japanese drivers, that when the "chosen one" is here no big money comes. :mad:

I guess that earthquake which caused a massive damage in Japan in 2011 and the financial crisis are the answer why Kamui can't get so much support as some previous Japanese drivers used to have.

#2042 MattPete

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:04

If I did my math correct, the Save-Our-Kamui fund is now up to around $2mil USD (as of Dec 3rd).

#2043 MattPete

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:31

https://twitter.com/takiinoue

Taki Inoue ‏@takiinoue
Jesus! Kamui support donation total amount almost reaches 1.5 M euros. This amount will cover my drinking budget for 10 years easily.



#2044 boldhakka

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:42

Impressive. Hope it works out.

#2045 sofarapartguy

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:48

If I did my math correct, the Save-Our-Kamui fund is now up to around $2mil USD (as of Dec 3rd).

One can say that this is just astonishing. Sutil for example had to make a deal with Medion to bring such ammount of money to FI.

#2046 sosidge

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:56

I just hope the corporate sponsors recognise what an asset KK is as a result of these fan donations - not just an asset to the sport, but an asset to their business.

#2047 Don_Humpador

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 16:46

He's currently at $1,811,436/£1,125,533.

#2048 KinoNoNo

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 17:37

Don't know about the rest of you guys, but the waiting for news is killing me :|

I would love to know who he's talking to and how it's progressing.

Edited by KinoNoNo, 03 December 2012 - 17:38.


#2049 MattPete

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:11

If he had a paypal account, I'd send him a few bucks.

Heck, maybe we could all pitch-in, on condition that he wear's an AtlasF1 decal somewhere on his driving suit!

#2050 One

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:51

Sounds great, go Kamui!