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[Auroraf1]

With Birthday money burning a hole in my pocket, I am looking at ordering the new Toleman book.
Has anyone seen a copy? Does it cover just Grand Prix or is there some stuff on their time in F2 etc.

In short is it a good buy at £24 from WH Smith website?

[RTH]

That is interesting as a Toleman owner myself, is this the one ?

http://www.amazon.co...t...7218&sr=1-1

Edited by RTH, 19 October 2009 - 13:02.

[Auroraf1]

That is interesting as a Toleman owner myself, is this the one ?

http://www.amazon.co...t...7218&sr=1-1

Yes, it is slightly cheaper on WHS site and still with free delivery.

[RA Historian]

Shouldn't this be on the book thread?

[Richard Jenkins]

As I'm trying to solve Ted Toleman's place of birth, this book is on my wish list.

I tried to find more out from Chaters, but very disappointingly, not only could they not pre-order it, but dismissed any notion of it even being in the pipeline...

Ah well, their loss, I'll get it from Amazon.

[Phil Rainford]

With Birthday money burning a hole in my pocket, I am looking at ordering the new Toleman book.
Has anyone seen a copy? Does it cover just Grand Prix or is there some stuff on their time in F2 etc.

In short is it a good buy at £24 from WH Smith website?

http://www.dukevideo...rmula-1-HB.aspx

Phil

Looking at this review it seems just to cover the F1 years....

PAR

[subh]

I’m assuming you’re aware of this book? Look for item 250413469278 on eBay.

[Little Leaf]

Sounds interesting, may have to purchase this!!!!

[condor]

I got an e.mail from Amazon the other day saying the book would be released on 31 October with an rrp of £37.50 and they will be selling at a 30% discount to cost £26.25.
So if it's available now at £24 at WH Smiths, then I'd say that was a good deal.

[Little Leaf]

Has anybody picked this book up and if so what are the arly impressions?

I think it will be on my Christmas list but was hoping for some feedback before sending my letter to Santa!

[Auroraf1]

Has anybody picked this book up and if so what are the arly impressions?

I think it will be on my Christmas list but was hoping for some feedback before sending my letter to Santa!

I have mine on order from WH Smith, it is supposed to be released on 31st Oct, nothing arrived yet!

[retriever]

I have mine on order from WH Smith, it is supposed to be released on 31st Oct, nothing arrived yet!

According to Veloce's own mailer it is being published this month, November. Along with their new book on Formula 5000 and tales from the toolbox.

Please note: there is already a dedicated book thread and that is the place really to communicate about new titles.

[Victoria Toleman]

As I'm trying to solve Ted Toleman's place of birth, this book is on my wish list.

I tried to find more out from Chaters, but very disappointingly, not only could they not pre-order it, but dismissed any notion of it even being in the pipeline...

Ah well, their loss, I'll get it from Amazon.

Why do you want to know Ted Toleman's place of birth ?
The book will not tell you that.

[RTH]

Victoria, are we to take it you are a relative. We would be most interested in anything you can tell us .

[Giraffe]

Why do you want to know Ted Toleman's place of birth ?
The book will not tell you that.

Richie Jenkins is a journalist and statistician Victoria. He logs data such as this.

[Victoria Toleman]

Victoria, are we to take it you are a relative. We would be most interested in anything you can tell us .

Yes i am Robert Toleman's eldest daughter. Not sure what you would like to know !!

[Giraffe]

As I'm trying to solve Ted Toleman's place of birth, this book is on my wish list.

I tried to find more out from Chaters, but very disappointingly, not only could they not pre-order it, but dismissed any notion of it even being in the pipeline...

Ah well, their loss, I'll get it from Amazon.

WH Smith have it available in 1 to 2 weeks, priced at £24.37, Richie.

Edited by Giraffe, 16 November 2009 - 13:52.

[RTH]

Yes I am Robert Toleman's eldest daughter. Not sure what you would like to know !!

I still own the first ever Toleman made TG280 - 01 , Formula 2 car having bought it in 1984

Do you have a particuar interest in the whole Toleman story in motor sport? Are you a contributor to the book ? I wonder how you found this forum, which is, we have to admit , rather specialised and not all that well known ? Anything else we should know !!

Certainly I will need a copy of the book, perhaps someone can let us know when copies finally touch down ?

[Victoria Toleman]

I still own the first ever Toleman made TG280 - 01 , Formula 2 car having bought it in 1984

Do you have a particuar interest in the whole Toleman story in motor sport? Are you a contributor to the book ? I wonder how you found this forum, which is, we have to admit , rather specialised and not all that well known ? Anything else we should know !!

Certainly I will need a copy of the book, perhaps someone can let us know when copies finally touch down ?

Strange question, do i have an interest, i am a Toleman and grew up with motor sport and the story. No i am not a contributor in the book. I found this forum just by luck. The book is due to be released this week.

[Giraffe]

Strange question, do i have an interest, i am a Toleman and grew up with motor sport and the story. No i am not a contributor in the book. I found this forum just by luck. The book is due to be released this week.

It's not such a strange question, Victoria. Just because you are a member of the family does not necessarily mean that you have an interest in motorsport. You could have just been Googling your name for a variety of reasons or purposes. However, I/we are glad to hear that you do have an interest, and welcome to TNF!

[RTH]

I am sorry I certainly did not mean it to sound strange. We of course know nothing at all of the family circumstances, relationships, family tree etc and indeed members of some families do sometimes have no interest at all in the family business .
I just wondered perhaps if you might be recording a detailed family history, research which has in recent years become popular, for a whole variety of reasons.The release of the book and your very welcome appearance here in the same week just made me wonder if you had been closely involved. Certainly no offence intended. It is a fascinating story of success..

[Richard Jenkins]

Why do you want to know Ted Toleman's place of birth ?
The book will not tell you that.

Thanks Victoria, that means I can save £24

I have a website that features over 2,000 names from motorsport's past, present (and future, I guess). Ted is featured on there:-
http://www.oldracing...p;firstname=Ted

The reason behind this site is partly to remember who has played an important part in the sport and partly where they are now. I like to know as much as is possible (place & date of birth), only because I like to give people as complete a profile as possible. I think they deserve that.

Ted is one of the relatively few people that I am missing out on some kind of information to make their profile complete - in Ted's case it is his place of birth as I've never been able to find out if it is in South Africa or in Britain. Any help you or a member of the family could help in solving this particular mystery would be greatly appreciated.

PS I would also appreciate it you could check & see if everything on his profile was/is correct...

I only wondered if the book had a profile on Ted as well as the cars, because if it did, it would probably say where Ted was born, that was my only thinking....


Giraffe, thank you for the description of myself. I normally describe myself & what I contribute to the ORC.com site in much less flattering terms

[Victoria Toleman]

I am sorry I certainly did not mean it to sound strange. We of course know nothing at all of the family circumstances, relationships, family tree etc and indeed members of some families do sometimes have no interest at all in the family business .
I just wondered perhaps if you might be recording a detailed family history, research which has in recent years become popular, for a whole variety of reasons.The release of the book and your very welcome appearance here in the same week just made me wonder if you had been closely involved. Certainly no offence intended. It is a fascinating story of success..

No offence taken. When i first spoke to Christopher Hilton regarding the book, i was shocked that people would want to read the story, since then i have been looking on the net to see if people were interested, and that is how i came across you lot !

[Victoria Toleman]

Thanks Victoria, that means I can save £24

I have a website that features over 2,000 names from motorsport's past, present (and future, I guess). Ted is featured on there:-
http://www.oldracing...p;firstname=Ted

The reason behind this site is partly to remember who has played an important part in the sport and partly where they are now. I like to know as much as is possible (place & date of birth), only because I like to give people as complete a profile as possible. I think they deserve that.

Ted is one of the relatively few people that I am missing out on some kind of information to make their profile complete - in Ted's case it is his place of birth as I've never been able to find out if it is in South Africa or in Britain. Any help you or a member of the family could help in solving this particular mystery would be greatly appreciated.

PS I would also appreciate it you could check & see if everything on his profile was/is correct...

I only wondered if the book had a profile on Ted as well as the cars, because if it did, it would probably say where Ted was born, that was my only thinking....


Giraffe, thank you for the description of myself. I normally describe myself & what I contribute to the ORC.com site in much less flattering terms

I have looked at Ted's profile - I think he is living in Australia now. Ted was adopted, do not think anyone but Ted know's his place of birth. I will check with my brother, and let you know. Hope this helps.

[Richard Jenkins]

Thanks Victoria. I'll amend his entry as well. I appreciate you asking.

[Victoria Toleman]

Thanks Victoria. I'll amend his entry as well. I appreciate you asking.

Have spoken to my brother - Birth place / no idea

All we know he was adopted before our father was born.

Can you help ? - would like a copy of Autosport September / October 1976 ?

[RTH]

Autosport is weekly so that is 8 issues in Sept/Oct ' 76 , what exactly are you looking for ?

[Richard Jenkins]

Have spoken to my brother - Birth place / no idea

All we know he was adopted before our father was born.

Can you help ? - would like a copy of Autosport September / October 1976 ?

Thanks for trying anyway, Victoria.

[Giraffe]

Have spoken to my brother - Birth place / no idea

All we know he was adopted before our father was born.

Can you help ? - would like a copy of Autosport September / October 1976 ?

Do you mean "Motorsport" Victoria? Please check, clarify exactly what you are looking for and come back to TNF. We can probably help!

[alansart]

Do you mean "Motorsport" Victoria? Please check, clarify exactly what you are looking for and come back to TNF. We can probably help!

I don't want to presume, but judging by the dates I would guess it's regarding Bob Toleman's unfortunate accident at Snetterton.

Edited by alansart, 17 November 2009 - 15:34.

[Peter Morley]

Book Depository just e-mailed me to say the publisher has released the Toleman book and it will be posted out this week.

[Auroraf1]

Book Depository just e-mailed me to say the publisher has released the Toleman book and it will be posted out this week.

Excellent!

[Victoria Toleman]

I don't want to presume, but judging by the dates I would guess it's regarding Bob Toleman's unfortunate accident at Snetterton.

Yes you are right, it is about Robert Toleman accident. I am his eldest daughter and would like to find any press coverage written about the accident. I have tried before and had no luck. So if anyone can help or point me in the right direction, that would be fab.

[RTH]

If you can give us the date, it would have been reported on the following Wednesday in Motoring News and Thursday in Autosport possibly in Motor Sport which might be dated on as much as 2 months from the time it happened.

[Giraffe]

If you can give us the date, it would have been reported on the following Wednesday in Motoring News and Thursday in Autosport possibly in Motor Sport which might be dated on as much as 2 months from the time it happened.

Dates herewith:

http://www.motorspor...hp?db=ct&n=3776

[alansart]

Dates herewith:

http://www.motorspor...hp?db=ct&n=3776

That contains one small error. The car was a Royale RP21 not an RP26.

[Giraffe]

The report from the meeting and of the accident should have appeared in Motoring News dated 22nd September 1976, and Autosport the following day.

[aldo]

In an official press kit of the Candy Toleman Motorsport Formula 1, Ted Toleman birthday is reported as March 14, 1938, The text goes on saying" Married and father of twins. He lives in Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk".

I managed to rescue the few filed documents and photos on the Candy Group (white goods manufacturer) sponsorship to Toleman, as well as to Tyrrell, Ligier and individual drivers.
I offered my help to the author when he was writing the book, without answer.

Still waiting for receiveing the book from Amazon.

[Victoria Toleman]

The report from the meeting and of the accident should have appeared in Motoring News dated 22nd September 1976, and Autosport the following day.

Today i haVe been E Mailed the autosport info. Do you have any other info regarding Roberts accident. Any info regarding the cutting gear. Thanks Victoria xx

[Giraffe]

Today i haVe been E Mailed the autosport info. Do you have any other info regarding Roberts accident. Any info regarding the cutting gear. Thanks Victoria xx

I will be in a position to follow up with some archive research tomorrow Victoria, but I doubt it will unearth anything of significance that wasn't available to the motoring press at the time. What exactly do you feel you need to know? Feel free to PM me if necessary.

[Louis Mr. F1]

No offence taken. When i first spoke to Christopher Hilton regarding the book, i was shocked that people would want to read the story, since then i have been looking on the net to see if people were interested, and that is how i came across you lot !

Victoria - be assured that there are people who'd be interested in a well researched book on Team Toleman - since I learned that Christoper Hilton was working on this book about half a year ago, I've been looking forward to its release.

I'm pretty sure I've some questions I'd like to ask about the team, if I can remember what they're, I hope you can ask for me.

[alansart]

Today i haVe been E Mailed the autosport info. Do you have any other info regarding Roberts accident. Any info regarding the cutting gear. Thanks Victoria xx

I don't think the car was that badly damaged as it's been rebuilt and still exists.

A little bit of info here: http://www.ten-tenth...ead.php?t=78308

[Chris Witty]

With Birthday money burning a hole in my pocket, I am looking at ordering the new Toleman book.
Has anyone seen a copy? Does it cover just Grand Prix or is there some stuff on their time in F2 etc.

In short is it a good buy at £24 from WH Smith website?

I haven't seen the book yet although I have talked to the author Christopher Hilton this week who has a copy and is pleased with the outcome. He tells me that we'll all have to wait a week or so more before it's available at bookshops throughout the land!

[Victoria Toleman]

I haven't seen the book yet although I have talked to the author Christopher Hilton this week who has a copy and is pleased with the outcome. He tells me that we'll all have to wait a week or so more before it's available at bookshops throughout the land!

That's also what Christopher Hilton has told me. I know Waterstones are waiting copies to arrive in store.

[Victoria Toleman]

I don't think the car was that badly damaged as it's been rebuilt and still exists.

A little bit of info here: http://www.ten-tenth...ead.php?t=78308

Thank you very much for this info, this is all news to me. I thought the car was gone after Robert's accident, and i'm sure my mother did. Just need to get to the bottom - who sold the car ? Why was it raced again ?I have so many more question !!!

Victoria

[jph]

Mr Amazon kindly delivered my copy of this book yesterday. I've only been able to flick through it so far, but I was pleased to see that there's a relatively large amount of material (about the first quarter of the book) on the pre-Formula 1 one exploits - including the VW and Capri Super Saloons - and a fair sized 'where are they now?' section at the end.

[alansart]

Thank you very much for this info, this is all news to me. I thought the car was gone after Robert's accident, and i'm sure my mother did. Just need to get to the bottom - who sold the car ? Why was it raced again ?I have so many more question !!!

Victoria

I get the impression that the car wasn't that badly damaged and was possibly repaired at the Royale factory. Royale went out of business many years ago but Alan Cornock who ran the company is now in charge of FCS Competition Services and may have some info. www.racingcarsforsale.co.uk

I'm not that surprised the car was used again. Things were a little different in those days. Our Formula Ford had had a serious accident before I brought it, although I knew the driver who did recover. It was only when we witnessed a similar accident to the same model of car, with more serious consequences, that we modified our car for safety reasons.

Edited by alansart, 24 November 2009 - 14:07.

[RTH]

No it isn't a surprise that the damaged car was sold and that someone else would have completely dismanted it purchased all the new parts needed , rebuilt it and re-used it. This commonly happened with road cars and race cars when it was economically possible.

However reading that 10/10th thread there were 3 '76 Royale RP21 formula ford cars one each for Bob and Ted and one for Alex Hawkridge ... are we definitely sure that Bob's actual car does still exist ,are all 3 Toleman RP21s currently accounted for ?

Edited by RTH, 24 November 2009 - 16:24.

[Victoria Toleman]

No it isn't a surprise that the damaged car was sold and that someone else would have completely dismanted it purchased all the new parts needed , rebuilt it and re-used it. This commonly happened with road cars and race cars when it was economically possible.

However reading that 10/10th thread there were 3 '76 Royale RP21 formula ford cars one each for Bob and Ted and one for Alex Hawkridge ... are we definitely sure that Bob's actual car does still exist ,are all 3 Toleman RP21s currently accounted for ?

Sorry i have no idea, let me know if you find out.

[BT 35-8]

We have 2 RP21 Royale F.Fords competing in Australia in historic racing , were there only 3 RP21 s built ?

Bryan Miller , C.A.M.S. [ Confederation of Australian Motorsports ] Eligibility Chairman.