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#501 Wayne Fetter

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 04:09

Does anybody know why the color of the 917-30 is so Bright . . .Almost violet. Seems like all the images from '73 . . .even the poster of the Book . . .show a much Darker color on the car than we see now?


I would say a couple of things affect the color - for one, the photo technology today is much better at reproducing colors - with that said, I did add some additional saturation to my photo (but not alot, just enough to bring out the colors).

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 09:04

Excellent photo`s guys , really love the Kellison. Gorgeous!

#503 Jerry Entin

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 10:54

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Cockplt of Tom Malloy's Indy Ford

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 11:03

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This car was the brain storm of Preston Tucker. He joined forces with Harry Miller and told Henry Ford he could deliver 10 race cars in 1935. He did what he said he would.

Due to insufficient time for testing, the cars steering boxes failed and Henry Ford withdrew from this project. This car is one of the Harry Miller designed Fords.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 15:27

David Hobbs opened the doors of his Honda dealership on Green Bay Rd. in Milwaukee for invited guests of the Brian Redman/Kohler/Donohue Reunion on Wednesday night July 14. A few shots follow.

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#506 Wayne Fetter

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 03:30

A few of the Corvette's on hand for the weekend:

Bradley Hoyt in a '69 leading Samuel LeComte in a '67 out of corner 5 - these 2 put on a good show Saturday:

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LeComte leading Jody O'Donnell in a '69 out of corner 5 on Saturday:

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Daryl Gough's '64 between 5-6 on Saturday:

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Jerry Goose in another '64 between 5-6 Saturday:

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Brian Morrison's '69 between 5-6 on Friday:

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 10:39

A few photos of Mark's cars being assembled on the Road America front straight for a group photo.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 11:49

From page 10 of the July 28th National Speed Sport News This and That column.

Book of the Week

Mark Donohue: His Life In Photographs
by Michael Argetsinger

Following one year after the release of his biography of famed racer Mark Donohue, Michael Argetsinger and David Bull Publishing have released a sequel to the book, which follows Donohue's life from childhood through his premature death through the camera work of photographers around the world. This full-color hard-back book includes 160 pages and nearly 250 black and white photographs.
$39.95. David Bull Publishing. Available from http://www.bullpublishing.com/

#509 Wayne Fetter

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 02:48

A few of the Can-Am cars on Saturday:

1967 McClaren of Charlie Barns - like the old school helmet:

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Farrell Preston's 1966 McClaren M1B:

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Patrick Hogan's Mark Donohue 1967 Lola T70 Lightweight Spyder:

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Bob Rowley's 1967 Lola T70 MKIII:

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Brian Blain's 1969 Lola T163:

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Posted 08 August 2010 - 15:24

I want to thank Pete Lyons for granting me permission to post the following photo. It is one of my favorites of Mark. Keeping in mind the "last run" of the Porsche 917/30 at Road America just a few short weeks ago to cap off the weekend, its similarity to Mark's farewell at Riverside has all the more meaning for me.

Photo by Pete Lyons / http://www.petelyons.com/
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Regarding Mark's effort at Riverside, from Can-Am by Pete Lyons page 221:

The one happy man was Mark Donohue. After Laguna Seca, he'd replaced the broken rear antiroll bar with one he could adjust from the cockpit. In his book, The Unfair Advantage, he described the benefit. "After I got way out in front, I began playing with the bar, turning it up to oversteer, and broadsliding the car around the tighter turns. I really had a good time sliding all over the place - knowing that I could rebalance the car at any time - and more importantly, knowing that it was my last Can-Am race."

He won the race, his sixth in a row and his eighth in all, parked, and announced his retirement.

There didn't seem to be much more to say than what an anonymous Autoweek editor tried to express about the experience of watching that last 1973 Can-Am:

When one reaches a certain sophistication in the sport of motor racing, such performances have a tendancy to seem boring and blase'. But there is a smoothness to the Donohue driving technique, a spectacularness to the 917/30 that seems to hold the interest. Perhaps this is what brings in the crowds - the desire to say, I saw Mark Donohue drive that invincible Porsche. I was there and saw it and knew that it was the best combination of man and machine that had ever appeared on a race track.

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Posted 08 August 2010 - 23:58

I want to thank Pete Lyons for granting me permission to post the following photo. It is one of my favorites of Mark. Keeping in mind the "last run" of the Porsche 917/30 at Road America just a few short weeks ago to cap off the weekend, its similarity to Mark's farewell at Riverside has all the more meaning for me.

Photo by Pete Lyons / http://www.petelyons.com/
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Regarding Mark's effort at Riverside, from Can-Am by Pete Lyons page 221:

The one happy man was Mark Donohue. After Laguna Seca, he'd replaced the broken rear antiroll bar with one he could adjust from the cockpit. In his book, The Unfair Advantage, he described the benefit. "After I got way out in front, I began playing with the bar, turning it up to oversteer, and broadsliding the car around the tighter turns. I really had a good time sliding all over the place - knowing that I could rebalance the car at any time - and more importantly, knowing that it was my last Can-Am race."

He won the race, his sixth in a row and his eighth in all, parked, and announced his retirement.

There didn't seem to be much more to say than what an anonymous Autoweek editor tried to express about the experience of watching that last 1973 Can-Am:

When one reaches a certain sophistication in the sport of motor racing, such performances have a tendancy to seem boring and blase'. But there is a smoothness to the Donohue driving technique, a spectacularness to the 917/30 that seems to hold the interest. Perhaps this is what brings in the crowds - the desire to say, I saw Mark Donohue drive that invincible Porsche. I was there and saw it and knew that it was the best combination of man and machine that had ever appeared on a race track.


I haven't read Mark's book so I don't know if he mentioned this or not, he had also installed a Weismann locker in his Porsche.
I'm also of the opinion that the Cam Am participants all considered Riverside the top Can Am race track with the long back straight. I agree with the anonymous Autoweek editor regarding what brought in the crowd, I know it did me.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 03:30

A few of the Can-Am cars on Saturday:

1967 McClaren of Charlie Barns - like the old school helmet:

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Farrell Preston's 1966 McClaren M1B:

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Come on, Wayne, you know better! It is spelled McLAREN ---even says so on the side of Charlie Barns's car.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 22:35

Come on, Wayne, you know better! It is spelled McLAREN ---even says so on the side of Charlie Barns's car.


Ooops! Guess there's REALLY no excuse for that...hehe. I promise not to make that mistake again! :p

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 03:31

To make amends, more McLaren pics:

1968 McLaren M6B:
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1970 McLaren M8C:
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1971 McLaren M8E
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1971 McLaren M8F
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 16:02

The M8C is the former John Cordts car. The M8E is the former Ecurie Evergreen DeCadenet, later Bob Brown car. The M8F is a car built from spares by Commander Motor Homes Team in 1973. Current owner claims that it is the 1971 Peter Revson car, but clearly it is not, as it did not even exist in 1971 and the actual Revson M8F is in a museum in the Netherlands.
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Posted 14 August 2010 - 12:56

Michael Argetsinger to Speak about Mark Donohue and the Ferrari 512M

(for immediate release – Aug. 13, 2010)

WATKINS GLEN, NY – Award-winning motorsports author Michael Argetsinger will present an in-depth look at the legendary Penske Racing Ferrari 512M, as raced by Mark Donohue, at the International Motor Racing Research Center on Saturday, Sept. 4.

His talk – accompanied by many rare photographs – is presented as part of the monthly series, Center Conversations. It will begin at 1 p.m. and is free and open to all.

The Center is located at 610 S. Decatur St., Watkins Glen.

“No less a figure than Ferrari Chief Engineer Mauro Forghieri called this car ‘the finest prepared Ferrari I have ever seen,’” says Argetsinger. “How the car – also remembered as the Kirk White Ferrari – was built, and its dramatic racing history, is one of motorsports greatest stories.”

Argetsinger is well-qualified to discuss Mark Donohue and his race cars. His 2009 book, “Mark Donohue: Technical Excellence at Speed,” swept the International Automotive Media Competition, winning Best Biography, Best Book and Best of Media for 2009.

The book was the first complete biography of Donohue, who redefined what it meant to be a successful driver in the 1960s and 1970s.

Argetsinger has followed up that endeavor with his newest book, “Mark Donohue: His Life in Photographs,” released in July. The 160-page, full-color compilation recreates Donohue’s life through hundreds of photographs.

Many of the pictures were provided by the people who were closest to Donohue: his family, friends, and Penske Racing teammates. The book also offers some of the best work by the top motorsports photographers of the era.

Published by David Bull Publishing, both books will be available for sale at Argetsinger’s talk.

For more information: Mark Steigerwald, Center Director of Archives and Administration, (607) 535-9044 or by email at mark@racingarchives.org

(Photo caption: Mark Donohue leads the race-winning Porsche 917K of Pedro Rodriguez and Jackie Oliver in his Ferrari 512M at the 1971 24 Hours of Daytona)
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Posted 23 September 2010 - 15:51

From the September, 2010 issue of Classic & Sports Car, page 57 book review:

Mark Donohue: His Life in Photographs

Anyone who enjoyed Michael Argetsinger's biography of Mark Donohue will want this companion volume. Argetsinger has combed photographers' archives plus the Donohue family albums, and the superbly printed 160-page hardback makes the most of his evocative selection, from Elvas in SCCA to that tragic practice for the '75 Austrian GP. A worthy tribute to 'Captain Nice'. MW

Michael Argetsinger, David Bull Publishing. ISBN 978 1 935007 09 8

http://www.bullpubli....asp?itemid=127

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 12:23

September, 2010 MotorSport, Vol. 86 No. 9 Reviews, page 127:

Mark Donohue: His Life In Photographs

Michael Argetsinger

Argetsinger's follow-up to Technical Excellence at Speed, his acclaimed biography of Mark Donohue, is a richly illustrated celebration of the revered American's life, and a colorful evocation of racing's nascent commercialism during the 1960s and '70s.

The plenteous photography is accompanied by illuminating captions, and interspersed with the occaisional reminiscence from friends, rivals and allies. Donohue was liked and admired by all who met him, but the easy smile and comfortable charm were only half the story. 'Captain Nice' was a clever and driven perfectionist, acutely conscious of what made his cars work, right down to the tiniest nut, bolt and spring. The paradigmatic example of the racing driver cum engineer, he virtually created the blueprint for today's professional cockpit technocrat, ensconced in a machine tailored to their requirements.

Paradoxically perhaps, In Deo Speramus (In God We Hope) is the motto at Brown University, Donohue's Ivy League alma mater. No one was more meticulous in their preparation. Always aware of what his cars were doing or about to do, he needed to take few risks en route to success in Can-Am, Trans-Am, Indycars and NASCAR. It all appeared so effortless and controlled.

Consider, however, the photograph on page 156 of Mark intently directing a set-up change to his March during practice for the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix. In God We Hope. Faber est suae quisque fortunae (Each man is the architect of his own fortune) seems to be nearer the truth, but offers little solace all the same. IM

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 14:21

The following three items are courtesy of Jerry Kroninger. Jerry & his wife, Kathy, recently spent a couple of days visiting with my family & I as they made their way east. A most decent man, it's an honor to call him my friend.

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In addition to Mark and Mr. Penske, I recognize (l to r) Carl Haas, ?, Jerry Kroninger, Ron Fournier, ?, Karl Kainhofer, ?,?. From 1970 at the Speedway were Mark & Team finished 2nd. Jerry refueled the car in 1969 & 1970. Sunoco requested that he stop going over the wall after the 1970 race.

More period material regarding Mark Donohue, the second two honoring Mark's retirement from driving:

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with David Hobbs - photo: Dean Lester

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 11:45

Octane October, 2010 - Books reviewed by Mark Dixon and Richard Heseltine - page 138 - Book of the Month

Mark Donohue: His Life in Photographs

Michael Argetsinger
David Bull Publishing

Yes, it's another 'picture book', but don't let that put you off. Mark Donohue is a compelling subject at the best of times, but this fine accompaniment to Argetsinger's text-heavy - and admirable - Technical Excellence at Speed is a must-have for all fans of '60s and '70s US motorsport.

Much of this is down to Donohue's all-rounder status: despite racing all manner of unlikely cars as he embarked on his rise to prominence, he subsequently excelled in every discipline he attempted. So here you will find images of such icons as the Sunoco Ferrari 512M (which never actually won a race in period) and the mighty Porsche 917/30KL 'Turbopanzer'. Those and the multi-hued AMC Javelin Trans-Am weapon and unlikely NASCAR race-winning Matador.

But more than that, it's the behind-the-scenes stuff that captivates, be it an impossibly young looking 'Captain Nice' sitting in a friends Bandini before leaving for SCCA drivers' school, or the still youthful but patently race-hardened Donohue with facial burns incurred after a collision with the Dan 'Hoss' Blocker-entered Genie at Watkins Glen, his Lola having been destroyed in the ensuing inferno.

There are lengthy and informative captions, along with quotes from team players, on-track rivals and family members, and they all add to the story. You really get a feel for a man who as much through determination as natural talent reached the summit at national level, only to die on coming out of retirement for a proper tilt at Formula 1. Tragic.

There's nothing particularly flash about this book, be it the layout or the typesetting. But, as with most David Bull efforts, it works beautifully, looks great and represents excellent value for money. Highly recommended.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 11:11

I want to thank retired Sunoco engineer, Team Penske member and friend, Jerry Kroninger, for his generosity in giving me copies of approximately 20) photographs that he took during his time with Team and Mark. A few have been published in Mark Donohue: Technical Excellence At Speed and His Life In Photographs by Michael Argetsinger, but most are previously unseen (to my best knowledge) other than by being part of the archive that was available to Michael during the course of his research and writing of the two aforementioned books.

I received a note from RA Historian in which he noted that that my well of Donohue material had not run dry. I assure you Tom, it certainly has not! Thanks to all for who have shown interest and have contributed to this discussion and remembrance of Mark Donohue. B²

photo: Jerry Kroninger (info from Jerry's handwritten note on back)
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New Can Am car - test at Bridgehampton, NY - McLaren M6B - August, 1968

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 15:00

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Sears Point - April, 1970 - Roger Penske, Jim Travers, Karl Kainhofer

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 20:43

Very interesting photo of the McLaren at the Bridge. The rear spoiler appears to be the experimental "laydown" version mentioned in Makk's book -and it looks like it is activated in the pic!

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:22

A different perspective of the McLaren the same day at Bridgehampton.

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McLaren M6B - August, 1968

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 12:15

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Mark Donohue with the Lola at the USRRC event at Watkins Glen. June, 1967

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 14:04

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Mark Donohue with the Lola at the USRRC event at Watkins Glen. June, 1967


Does Mr. Kroninger have any photos of Mark's Lola at the 1967 USRRC at Las Vegas, the first USRRC race of that season?

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 22:24

AlMark - You are in luck, Jerry gave me the following photograph, which is from Stardust.

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Jerry's note on back: Roger, Karl, Mark - USRRC Sunoco Special Lola - Stardust Raceway, Las Vegas - April, 1967

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 12:10

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The Mark Donohue/ Team Penske/ Sunoco Javelin Trans-Am at Laguna Seca in April, 1970.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 14:57

AlMark - You are in luck, Jerry gave me the following photograph, which is from Stardust.

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Jerry's note on back: Roger, Karl, Mark - USRRC Sunoco Special Lola - Stardust Raceway, Las Vegas - April, 1967




Brian,

Thanks to you and Mr. Kroninger for the photo. However it shoots me out of the water. I was trying to make a case that at the first race the car still had the narrower fixed upright rear spoiler based on some other photos I have seen and collected. This now seems highly unlikely.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 12:52

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The normally stoic Karl Kainhofer flashes a big smile next to Mark Donohue's USRRC Lola at Watkins Glen, June, 1967. Jerry and Karl are still close friends. I would imagine that the rogue Kendall sticker on the driver's left front headlight cover was removed soon after this picture was taken!

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:59

This is a photo that Jerry Kroninger took of Mark Donohue on the introduction of Jerry's innovation of cooling the fuel of the Penske/ Sunoco Trans-Am Camaro. From the color plate in Mark Donohue: Technical Excellence At Speed by Michael Argetsinger. Michael's description below the photo. Thanks to both gentlemen.

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Frost can be seen foaming on the outer barrel as Mark proudly shows off the latest Penske Racing innovation - iced fuel. It is the 1968 Trans-Am at War Bonnett Raceway, where Mark and the team went on to win the race.



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Posted 06 October 2010 - 14:46

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Mark Donohue in the Penske Lola T-Offy at Indianapolis in May, 1969

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 15:18

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Mark Donohue in the cockpit of the Penske/ Sunoco/ Camaro Trans-Am at Lime Rock May, 1968

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 17:08

A few photos of Mark's cars being assembled on the Road America front straight for a group photo.

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Is this a Penske F1 car?

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 18:30

Is this a Penske F1 car?


Yes - A PC-1. Unsure if it is 001, 002 or 003.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 06:02

Yes - A PC-1. Unsure if it is 001, 002 or 003.


Do you know if it is from the Penske Museum?

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 06:29

Lovely photo's Brian :up:

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 12:22

Do you know if it is from the Penske Museum?


Yes, Mr. Penske was very gracious in sending the car to Watkins Glen in April, 2009 for the book release gathering for Mark Donohue: Technical Excellence At Speed. He also made sure the car was at Road America in July for the release of Mark Donohue: His Life In Photographs. Many thanks to him and the entire Penske Restorations crew for their efforts.

Lovely photo's Brian :up:


Thanks, good to see that someone is enjoying them.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 12:39

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Mark put this Penske/ Sunoco/ Lola-Chevy on the pole for the Sears Point Indy Car race in April, 1970. He was fastest qualifier by over a second on Mario Andretti. Unfortunately, Mark was the first out with an engine problem.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 12:15

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Mark Donohue in the cockpit of the Penske/ Sunoco Lola at Daytona for the 1969 24 hour race.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 12:20

Brian: Very nice of Jerry Kroninger to allow the forum members to see his great photos and also thank you for your effort in posting them.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 20:43

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The normally stoic Karl Kainhofer flashes a big smile next to Mark Donohue's USRRC Lola at Watkins Glen, June, 1967. Jerry and Karl are still close friends. I would imagine that the rogue Kendall sticker on the driver's left front headlight cover was removed soon after this picture was taken!


Brian,

Compare this photo with the one on your post no. 525 on 10/1. Note the difference in the treatment of the numbers and yellow circle vs. white roundal. I first thought they were from different races, but that is the same outbuilding in the background. I wonder if Mr. Kroninger has any recollection to account for the difference after all these years. It would almost have to be that one was pre-race and the other was as raced.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:11

Gil - Possibly you can look at a race report from the period. Accompanying photographs may help you determine which is which. There is no mention of the difference in Mark Donohue: Technical Excellence At Speed, so I doubt if this has any significance - more of a curiosity.

edit: did the SCCA impose a white rondel/ black number standard? Did it possibly coincide with the event at Watkins Glen?

Edited by B Squared, 10 October 2010 - 12:22.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:19

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Mark Donohue's Penske/ Sunoco/ McLaren in Kent, WA for the June, 1968 USRRC race.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 14:26

did the SCCA impose a white rondel/ black number standard? Did it possibly coincide with the event at Watkins Glen?

I don't think so, Brian. The RA event that season saw the usual variety in numbering. Could it possibly a track thing? I say that because in the early 1960s the RA 500 had color coded roundels standard in that race to denote the car's class. That was done to aid the track's T&S crew. Perhaps the Glen did a similar thing in the year pictured to aid T&S. Don't know, just thinking out loud.
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 16:16

I don't think so, Brian. The RA event that season saw the usual variety in numbering. Could it possibly a track thing? I say that because in the early 1960s the RA 500 had color coded roundels standard in that race to denote the car's class. That was done to aid the track's T&S crew. Perhaps the Glen did a similar thing in the year pictured to aid T&S. Don't know, just thinking out loud.
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For what it is worth, through the first four races (Las vegas, Riverside, Laguna Seca, and Bridgehampton) the yellow numbers were on the body color with a yellow ring. Thereafter at Watkins Glen, Pacific Raceways, and Mid-Ohio the black numbers were on white roundals. I don't have a photo from Road America. Maybe if the white roundals were required at The Glen they just left them that way, or maybe they thought it looked better.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 22:25

I don't have a photo from Road America.

And you won't, at least of the Penske Lola T-70 for Mark Donohue. Penske did not enter the 1967 Road America 500 USRRC round.

Amending my post #545, two above, I went back and checked my photos of that race. About half the cars did use black numbers in white roundels, although the size of the roundel varied. The rest of the field had numbers painted on the cars without roundels. The SCCA did specify legible numbers with appropriate contrast, but did not mandate roundels. So if there was a race in which all cars used identical roundels and fonts, it had to have been a track rule, not a series rule.

Tom

Edited by RA Historian, 10 October 2010 - 22:32.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:55

Jerry - Thank you for your kind remarks.

Tom - Your efforts on the number/ rondel question are much appreciated.

Gil - The next time I talk to Jerry, I'll ask if he has any remembrance of the circumstances that led to the presentation of the car number. Thanks for your continued interest in Mark and Team Penske.

photo: Jerry Kroninger
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Mark Donohue's Trans-Am Penske/ Sunoco/ Javelin at Laguna Seca, April, 1970.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:30

I wonder if Mr. Kroninger has any recollection to account for the difference after all these years.


Gil - I called Jerry yesterday on my drive home from the Philadelphia area. I went over the question on the number/rondel with him. As he looked at the photos, he stated (and chuckled) that he had never noticed that detail before. Nor had I, good eye on your part. :up: He had no idea what may have prompted the change. Jerry said that he would run it by Karl Kainhofer the next time they talked to see if he might recall the reason.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 13:09

Gil - I called Jerry yesterday on my drive home from the Philadelphia area. I went over the question on the number/rondel with him. As he looked at the photos, he stated (and chuckled) that he had never noticed that detail before. Nor had I, good eye on your part. :up: He had no idea what may have prompted the change. Jerry said that he would run it by Karl Kainhofer the next time they talked to see if he might recall the reason.


Meanwhile, I'll ask Bill Preston. However I have found in doing research for models over the years the actual participants are usually the most unreliable source for details.

Gil