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[Burai]

Over the past few weeks we've been reading that many believe that Jenson Button doesn't deserve to win this year's world drivers championship.

My favourite excuse is that it was the current points system that caused this to happen and that if we adopted a different system, Jenson wouldn't have won the crown as he wouldn't have been able to play the system.

And although there hasn't been a points system in use, or suggested (not even AQUA), over the past 60 years of grand prix motor racing that would have installed anyone other than Jenson Button as champion, it got me thinking... Just what points system could the FIA have used to stop Jenson from winning the title?

I'm going to challenge you, dear Autosport BB users, to come up with a points system that does strip that evil Jenson Button of his flimsy, stolen world title and give it to someone more "deserving".

Rules:

You must use sound mathematics.
You must not disqualify cars or re-arrange the results of races. All races, qualifying and practice sessions are to be treated, as classified, by the FIA.
You must not use what-if arguments. "What if BrawnGP never happened?" "What if the McLaren was fast all year?" As above, all FIA classifications are final.
You can award points for anything classified by the FIA. Practice, Qualifying, Race, Fastest Lap, etc.
Contrivances are allowed and are, indeed, absolutely encouraged because that's the only way this can work!

So, for example, you can't remove Jenson from his wins due to some theoretical disqualification of trick diffuser teams, but you could decide that all wins are worth 0 points. Or that all fifth place grid qualifying positions are worth 10 points but fastest laps are worth -40. Or that you want to pay points down to 20th. Or that the Championship would be best decided by dividing the drivers into groups and having some sort of knock-out tournament. That sort of thing. Your system can be as stupid as you want. It just has to be fair and it has to take the championship away from Button. Maximum props to anyone who can award Luca Badoer with the world championship!

What this thread isn't: This isn't a thread to debate whether Jenson is or isn't a worthy champion. We have threads for that already. This thread is just about everyone having a bit of fun with numbers in order to contort the results of this year's championship.

Have at it and have fun!

[Burai]

The Chase For the Formula 1 Cup

What if Formula 1 was run under NASCAR regulations with the final 5 races set aside as some sort of "Chase" where the points are reset and the top 6 drivers get to go for the title?

NASCAR give each Chase driver 5,000 points as a baseline and 10 bonus points for each win in the regular season. Because F1 doesn't give out points like candy, I'm going to give each driver 500 points to start with and 1 point for each win they've picked up during the 12 race regular season.

I've halved the number of races and drivers compared to how NASCAR do things due to F1 having just under half the races in a season.

The current F1 points system is used as normal, with 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 awarded for races and no bonus points for pole, etc. And don't forget, if you aren't in the Chase, you can still take points and places, but you can't contend for the title.

Oh, and in the event of a tie score, the number of wins from both the Chase and regular season are counted on count-back

So, standings going into race 13 (Monza) are as follows:

1. Button - 506 points
2. Vettel - 502
3. Barrichello - 501
=. Webber - 501
=. Raikkonen - 501
6. Rosberg - 500
-----------------------------
7. Hamilton - 27

Hamilton just misses out on the Chase.

Italian Grand Prix

Rubens Barrichello leads home Button for a Brawn 1-2. This allows Barrichello to take a solid second place in the Chase and cut Button's lead from 5 to 3 points. Raikkonen finishes third to follow up on his Belgian win and pushes him into 3rd in the Chase. Vettel will lament an 8th place finish which drops him to 4th in the standings and Webber and Rosberg fail to score.

1. Button - 514 points
2. Barrichello - 511
3. Raikkonen - 507
4. Vettel - 503
5. Webber - 501
6. Rosberg - 500

Singapore Grand Prix

Non-Chase runner Lewis Hamilton is the wildcard under the lights as he takes a commanding victory in Singapore. Indeed, none of the podium are in the Chase leaving slim pickings for the title contenders. Vettel is best of the Chasers, getting 5 points for fourth, followed by Button in fifth. Barrichello takes sixth but Raikkonen fails to score

Button extends his lead by 1 point and Vettel leapfrogs Raikkonen. due to the Finn's DNF. With three races remaining and 0 Chase points scored, Webber and Rosberg are starting to lose touch.

1. Button - 518 points
2. Barrichello - 514
3. Vettel - 508
4. Raikkonen - 507
5. Webber - 501
6. Rosberg - 500

Japanese Grand Prix

A hopeless race at Suzuka leaves Button and Barrichello 8th and 7th respectively. A brilliant win by Vettel allows him to leapfrog Rubens for second, just a single point behind Button who drops 9 points to the German. Raikkonen picks up 4th to keep himself in contention and Rosberg comes in just behind to pick up his first points in the Chase. Webber once again fails to score and is all but out of the title hunt.

1. Button - 519 points
2. Vettel - 518
3. Barrichello - 516
4. Raikkonen - 512
5. Rosberg - 504
6. Webber - 501

Brazilian Grand Prix

Mark Webber dramatically picks up victory in a race he couldn't afford not to win, but it's not enough to keep him in touch with Button. Rosberg fails to score, making this a 4-way fight for the Championship. Vettel leads Button home in fourth to tie with the Briton in points heading into the final round. Raikkonen takes 6th to keep himself in with a mathematical chance of a second world championship. Barrichello's tyre heartbreak has left him with an uphill battle in third place.

1. Button - 523 points (Button leads due to 6 wins to Vettel's 2)
2. Vettel - 523
3. Barrichello - 517
4. Raikkonen - 515
5. Webber - 511
6. Rosberg - 504

Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

SEBASTIAN VETTEL 2009 WORLD CHAMPION!!

After an early-race battle with Hamilton's sick McLaren, Vettel soon led and would not be touched to take maximum points and the world driver's championship of 2009.

Mark Webber takes second in the race, fending off Button in spite of failing brakes. Webber finishes the year on great form, but will regret failing to score in three of the five critical Chase races.

Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello will rue the strong form of the Red Bull after starting the Chase so strongly in Monza.

Raikkonen and Rosberg never truly looked in contention and will hope for better luck in next year's Chase with their new teams.

Final Standings

1. Vettel - 533 points
2. Button - 529
3. Barrichello - 522
4. Webber - 519
5. Raikkonen - 515
6. Rosberg - 504

Edited by Burai, 08 November 2009 - 14:19.

[Clatter]

Why not simply throw away the first half of the season? That seems to be the method the detractors have already adopted.

[plastik2k9]

Why not simply throw away the first half of the season? That seems to be the method the detractors have already adopted.

I wonder what other championships would be affected if the first half was ignored? Anyone want to have a go at that (I'm talking to you, stats lovers)? Totally serious question, I'd just like to see what strange results, and world champions, we can come up with.

[Archybald]

Ohhh i like this thread! Deposition and maths in one! now lets see hmm hopefully theres no limit on how bizarre i can be!

Everything as usual but fastest lap grants an additional 12 points (11 points gives seb and jens a draw with jenson winning from wins anything less jenson wins)

This would end up with the championship looking like this:
Sebastian Vettel 120
Jenson Button 119
Mark Webber 105.5
Rubens Barrichello 101

Lewis and kimi didnt have a fastest lap so i didnt include them and i cant be bothered to do the whole field lol. If we up that 12 points to 50 points jenson ends up 3rd position in the tables behind seb and webber!

How about points given for pole position with points taken away for fastest laps! (those pesky fastest laps ruin the sport anyway! lol)
so +10 points for each pole position -25 points for each fastest lap!

We would end up with!
Lewis Hamilton 89
Jenson Button 85
Sebastian Vettel 49
Rubens Barrichello 37
Mark Webber 4.5 (oh dear!)


hmm i wonder how it would be if each person gained an increase in points per win based on how much their surname is worth in scrabble like say
Eg: Each time button won he would gain an extra 8 points vettel would gain an extra 9 points rubens on the other hand would gain 17
Though if i did it this way then i dont think it'd change too much lets see Button had 6 wins Vettel had 4 wins rubens had 2 wins webber had 2 wins lewis had 2 wins raikkonen had 1 win

Button 95+48=143
Vettel 84+36=120
Barrichello 77+34=111
Webber 69.5+26=95.5
Hamilton 49+26=75
Raikkonen 48+17=65

Hmm that didnt work out well suppose gotta work on a weird system where wins get negated. (Though if i did 1st names and surnames it'd be intresting (if only Vitantonio Liuzzi had won he'd have been worth 37 extra per win if it was 1st name and last name lol)

Edited by Archybald, 08 November 2009 - 15:11.

[giacomo]

The championship should be decided with a BB poll. How else?

Because it's opinion (speak: agenda) that triumphs over fact. Always.

[acelik]

this is nonsense. if he is the most point winner and also the race winner then it means he deserved it. it's true that he struggled at some points but he didnt do many mistakes and won the championship. you think he didn't deserve the championship but it's your thought, not fact.

[Motormedia]

This is exactly what a forum is for - fun! Personally, the guy on top is the champ, easy as that. I gotta say, though, that the system implemented by Nascar, the chase, which I thought was crap to begin with, have won me over. I'm not really sure that it could be implemented in F1, though. With the example above, four drivers would have gone into the last race with a shot at the title. That would have been exciting, to say the least.

[RodrigoL]

The championship should be decided with a BB poll. How else?

Because it's opinion (speak: agenda) that triumphs over fact. Always.

Didn't you catch that Darren Brown show? The collective opinion of a group can be powerful enough to predict the lottery.

[Archybald]

I wonder what other championships would be affected if the first half was ignored? Anyone want to have a go at that (I'm talking to you, stats lovers)? Totally serious question, I'd just like to see what strange results, and world champions, we can come up with.

2008 Season starting from the half way point (Germany)

Alonso 53
Hamilton 50
Massa 49
Raikkonen 31
Vettel 30
Kovalainen 29
Kubica 29
Glock 20
Heidfield 19
Piquet jr 17
Rosberg 9
Truli 7
Webber 3
Bourdais 2
Coulthard 2
Nakajima 1

Rest = 0

[Burai]

you think he didn't deserve the championship but it's your thought, not fact.

No I don't. Please read the OP before commenting! This thread isn't about whether Jenson is or isn't worthy.

And nice work, Archibald. That's the exact sort of out-of-the-box thinking this thread is after.

By the way, if anyone does come up with a crazy system but still can't stop Button from winning, just post it anyway. It's all in good fun.

[ensign14]

Didn't you catch that Darren Brown show? The collective opinion of a group can be powerful enough to predict the lottery.

Yes, Derren Brown was able to predict the lottery numbers a whole hour after they were drawn.

[Archybald]

Anyway back to the thread!

How about we subtract points from each driver based on where they finished the 2008 season (if they had not been in 2008 they get -23 points)

Button 95-18=77
Vettel 84-8=76 (SO CLOSE!)
Barrichello 77-11=66
Webber 69.5-11=58.5
Hamilton 49-1=48
Raikkonen 48-3=45

bleh thought it'd have been a bigger change lol

[ensign14]

The Baseline System

Everybody knows that drivers' points are partly reliant on their cars. So a poor driver in a good car can be higher in the championship than a good driver in a poor car.

The best way to deal with this anomaly is to provide each car with a baseline performance to take into account the benefit given by a car.

The baseline performance is therefore the performance of the number two driver in each team. Teams would never choose an idiot driver just to placate the number one; they obviously devote all their attention and care evenly between the drivers. The one that outperforms the base set by the team-mate is therefore the best driver in the world.

One way to do this is to subtract the points earned by a team-mate from the leading driver. Whoever beats his team-mate by the highest margin is therefore the deserving world champion.

The title would therefore look like this:

Rosberg 34.5
Hamilton 27
Raikkonen 26
Alonso 26
Button 18
Vettel 14.5
Trulli 5.5
Buemi 4
Fisichella 3
Heidfeld 2

Everyone else, being the baseline driver, is equal 11th.

[gillymuse]

How about like Bernie's medal system but Disqualifications are worth more than getting a Gold for first, Hamilton would be champion then.

</stupid>

I'm working ona better oner.

Edited by gillymuse, 08 November 2009 - 16:03.

[THE "driverider"]

I don't personally like the NASCAR points system, too many points and why should the last races be worth more than the whole season it doesn't make sense.

Proposed 12-9-6-5-4-3-2-1

1. Jenson Button 107
2. Sebastian Vettel 94
3. Rubens Barrichello 84
4. Mark Webber 77.5
5. Lewis Hamilton 54
6. Kimi Raikkonen 45

or

10-8-6-4-2-1 (double points for Monaco, British, Belgian and Italian GP)

Jenson Button 116
Rubens Barrichello 105
Sebastian Vettel 101
Mark Webber 81.5
Kimi Raikkonen 71
Lewis Hamilton 49

Edited by THE "driverider", 08 November 2009 - 16:40.

[Archybald]

Ohh i think ive got one ... how about we subtract 1 point for every retirement a driver has had while in formula one and subtract 2 points for any disqualification! (This is gonna take a while lol)

Vettel 84-12=72
Button 95-45=50
Hamilton 49-6=43
Webber 69.5-47=22.5
Raikkonen 48-42=6
Barrichello 77-91= -14 (14 retirements in 1997 alone didnt help lol)

hmm maybe that'd be better with a % based version of it but i cant be bothered to work out the % somebody didnt finish a race and then remove that % from somebody's score lol

[Archybald]

The Baseline System

I like it!

Whoever beats his team-mate by the highest margin is therefore the deserving world champion.

Wouldnt that promote 1st drivers wanting a VERY poor 2nd driver?

Edited by Archybald, 08 November 2009 - 16:14.

[ryan86]

I wonder what other championships would be affected if the first half was ignored? Anyone want to have a go at that (I'm talking to you, stats lovers)? Totally serious question, I'd just like to see what strange results, and world champions, we can come up with.

Potentially if 1992 used the second half method and the current points system, which is stretching it a bit, Martin Brundle would be Champion.

Taking the results as is we get:

Mansell 46
Brundle 45

However, a certain Michael Schumacher was directly ahead of Brundle in Adelaide and would therefore have switched positions giving Martin 47 points!

[MegaManson]

Jenson lead the championship race ALL season

100% worthy champion

[Anomnader]

Yep, he passed the finishing line first, doesn't matter if he deserved it or not, I can only think of 1 underserving champion in all my time watching F1.

[sir jackie walker]

Season is divided into two halves: AUS-GBR and GER-ABU. From each half, only best five scores are considered. This should remove advantage from a driver who did not suffer many retirements (e.g. Button!), and from a driver who made his points mostly over one of the halves (Button, again!). So the points should look like this (feel free to correct any - probable - mistakes:
Button 10 10 10 10 10 (50) + 08 06 04 04 04 (26) = 76
Vettel 10 10 08 06 05 (39) + 10 10 08 06 05 (39) = 78
Barrichello 08 08 08 06 05 (35) + 10 10 05 03 03 (31) = 66
Webber 08 08 08 06 04 (34) + 10 10 08 06 00 (34) = 68

So the title goes to Sebastian Vettel. I think a system like this has been in use previously.

edit: Webber curiously had more points than in real life, so I deleted some imaginary ones...

Edited by sir jackie walker, 08 November 2009 - 19:51.

[Victor_RO]

Season is divided into two halves: AUS-GBR and GER-ABU. From each half, only best five scores are considered. This should remove advantage from a driver who did not suffer many retirements (e.g. Button!), and from a driver who made his points mostly over one of the halves (Button, again!). So the points should look like this (feel free to correct any - probable - mistakes:
Button 10 10 10 10 10 (50) + 08 06 04 04 04 (26) = 76
Vettel 10 10 08 06 05 (39) + 10 10 08 06 05 (39) = 78
Barrichello 08 08 08 06 05 (35) + 10 10 05 03 03 (31) = 66
Webber 08 08 08 06 04 (34) + 10 10 08 06 06 (40) = 74

So the title goes to Sebastian Vettel. I think a system like this has been in use previously.

Yep, a system like this was used AFAIK until 1980.

[MinT]

From reading this BB over the last few years I have found out:

Kimi didnt deserve the 07 WDC - he lucked into it/ was given it by McLaren who deliberatly threw it away/ Martians beamed down and replaced Hamiltons tyres etc etc
Hami didnt deserve the 08 WDC - he lucked into it after paying Glock to move over/ He only won because Alonso was pushed out of McLaren/ Martians dont like Massa so bent time to freeze Glock on the last corner
Button didnt deserve the 09 WDC - he lucked into it because the car was illegal during the first half of the season/ He only won 6 races/ Martians made Barrichello and Vettel continually stuff up chances to win using their mind ray device
and now we have a fictional points system that probably could alter the winner from the last 10 championships

[Slartibartfast]

Yes, Derren Brown was able to predict the lottery numbers a whole hour after they were drawn.

Actually, I think the trick involved a little bit of camera FX...

I'm surprised Bernie E. hasn't yet adopted the obvious system (as used, in a variation, on reality shows) of a telephone poll. Voting via premium-rate phone line opens at the start of qualifying and closes 2 minutes before the podium ceremony (votes cast after this time will not be counted but will certainly still be charged for).

A second phone line could be opened to allow people to vote on who should be disqualified.

Unfortunately, I have no idea who would actually have won this season based on this system. Alonso and Hamilton would be obvious suspects, but they may both get eliminated by the DSQ votes.

[Brawn BGP 001]

From reading this BB over the last few years I have found out:

Kimi didnt deserve the 07 WDC - he lucked into it/ was given it by McLaren who deliberatly threw it away/ Martians beamed down and replaced Hamiltons tyres etc etc
Hami didnt deserve the 08 WDC - he lucked into it after paying Glock to move over/ He only won because Alonso was pushed out of McLaren/ Martians dont like Massa so bent time to freeze Glock on the last corner
Button didnt deserve the 09 WDC - he lucked into it because the car was illegal during the first half of the season/ He only won 6 races/ Martians made Barrichello and Vettel continually stuff up chances to win using their mind ray device
and now we have a fictional points system that probably could alter the winner from the last 10 championships

Don't get Frans started.

[ensign14]

Wouldnt that promote 1st drivers wanting a VERY poor 2nd driver?

No, as the teams would need their constructors' points.

[Chezrome]

Actually this baseline idea would be a very good idea to encourage new teams and drivers. With other words: to have a very trustworthy rookie system or improved team system.

[noikeee]

Ladies and gentleman, I present to you the 2009 Backwards F1 championship, the championship where people get points for finishing in the last 8 positions (10 points for last, 8 points for penultimate, etc). This season we had an exciting season-long battle between Adrian Sutil and Giancarlo Fisichella, but eventually the german got the crown:



Unfortunately Jenson Button was the only driver this season that didn't make it to the points.

I've also took the time to calculate a couple of the previous seasons and this is the list of champions:

2009 - Adrian Sutil (Force India) 71pts
2008 - Sebastian Bourdais (Toro Rosso) 72pts
2007 - Anthony Davidson (Super Aguri) 76pts
2006 - Takuma Sato (Super Aguri) 79pts
2005 - Tiago Monteiro (Jordan) 117pts
2004 - Zsolt Baumgartner (Minardi) 100pts
2003 - Jos Verstappen (Minardi) 80pts
2002 - Mark Webber (Minardi) 60pts
2001 - Fernando Alonso (Minardi) 59pts

[ryan86]

So that's why Fisi moved to Ferrari, the Force India had just become too competitive!

Edited by ryan86, 08 November 2009 - 21:09.

[ryan86]

Season is divided into two halves: AUS-GBR and GER-ABU. From each half, only best five scores are considered. This should remove advantage from a driver who did not suffer many retirements (e.g. Button!), and from a driver who made his points mostly over one of the halves (Button, again!). So the points should look like this (feel free to correct any - probable - mistakes:
Button 10 10 10 10 10 (50) + 08 06 04 04 04 (26) = 76
Vettel 10 10 08 06 05 (39) + 10 10 08 06 05 (39) = 78
Barrichello 08 08 08 06 05 (35) + 10 10 05 03 03 (31) = 66
Webber 08 08 08 06 04 (34) + 10 10 08 06 00 (34) = 68

So the title goes to Sebastian Vettel. I think a system like this has been in use previously.

edit: Webber curiously had more points than in real life, so I deleted some imaginary ones...

If you swap the middle race around and get 8-7, Vettel is an even clearer champion.

Button 10 10 10 10 10 (50) + 08 06 04 04 02 (24) = 74
Vettel 10 10 08 08 06 (42) + 10 10 06 05 05 (36) = 78
Barrichello 08 08 08 06 05 (35) + 10 10 05 03 02 (30) = 65
Webber 10 08 08 08 06 (40) + 10 08 06 00 00 (24) = 64

[Rob]

Here is the 2009 season, calculated with the 1930s European Championship points system

Button scores the fewest points, thus remaining champion.

[acelik]

From reading this BB over the last few years I have found out:

Kimi didnt deserve the 07 WDC - he lucked into it/ was given it by McLaren who deliberatly threw it away/ Martians beamed down and replaced Hamiltons tyres etc etc
Hami didnt deserve the 08 WDC - he lucked into it after paying Glock to move over/ He only won because Alonso was pushed out of McLaren/ Martians dont like Massa so bent time to freeze Glock on the last corner
Button didnt deserve the 09 WDC - he lucked into it because the car was illegal during the first half of the season/ He only won 6 races/ Martians made Barrichello and Vettel continually stuff up chances to win using their mind ray device
and now we have a fictional points system that probably could alter the winner from the last 10 championships

and don't forget MS deserved more in 2006 and kimi deserved more in 2005

[Sausage]

The last race of the year is special and should decide the championship. So let's award the winner of it 200 points! Vettel is your new '09 champion.

[morgoth bauglir]

Ui nice thread ...
Could you invent a points system acording to which Rubens would have won? lol

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ensign14]

The development championship

The first race is not a proper race. It merely demonstrates how good cars are out of the box. Which, let's face it, is a fluke. If someone hits on the right formula, they have a benefit throughout the season.

So, the only fair thing to do is see who does best with what they have after that race. Easiest way to do that is to multiply the point score by the position in the first race.

This gives us the following championship:

Vettel 1,092
Hamilton 980
Webber 834
Raikkonen 720
Kovalainen 418
Massa 352
Kubica 238
Rosberg 207
Heidfeld 190
Barrichello 154
Alonso 130
Trulli 97.5
Glock 96
Button 95
Fisichella 88
Sutil 45
Buemi 42
Bourdais 16
The others 0

Now we see the real scandal of Liegate. It was a deliberate plot to have Hamilton excluded from the result and therefore a deemed 20th, so that he obtained the maximum multiplicand for the remainder of the season.

And also why Vettel tried a death or glory move on Kubica. It was a disguised Singapore-gate. He needed to drop down the order to ensure a larger factor, and did so by inducing a crash with Kubica to avoid any hint of team orders.

Disqualifying these two miscreants from the championship means Mark Webber is the 2009 world champion. Fair dinkum.

[Colombo]

I don't think there has ever been a points' system in motorsport that would not make Button the 2009 champion.
He deserved it, plain and simple.

GC

[Bloggsworth]

What a ****ing stupid thread.

[noikeee]

Geez, some of you really don't have a sense of humour or irony at all.

[scheivlak]

The development championship

Disqualifying these two miscreants from the championship means Mark Webber is the 2009 world champion. Fair dinkum.

You forgot Mark's even more devilish scheme: starting the season handicapped by some serious pre-season injury

Kimi is the real, honest champion

[ensign14]

The natural talent championship

I think we're all agreed that anyone may be able to luck into the appropriate ride if they are in Formula 1 for long enough. If one is still in F1 after a dozen seasons, and still is not in a good ride, then it's clear that the leading teams - the ones with the actual skill in identifying the winners - are not going to give them a chance.

So it is best to divide the points earned by the number of seasons a driver has been in F1.

That will give us, to the nearest 0.5 point, something like this:

Vettel 28
Kobayashi 24
Hamilton 19.5
Glock 12
Webber 10
Button 9.5
Rosberg 8.5
Kubica 8
Kovalainen 7
Buemi 6
Raikkonen 5
Barrichello 5
Alonso 3
Massa 3
Trulli 2.5
Sutil 2.5
Heidfeld 2
Bourdais 1
Fisichella 0.5

Looking at it, that's not a bad championship order...most of the dull deadwood is stuck at the bottom and the younger, more exciting drivers are chasing the crown.

[WebBerK]

Without inventing anything:

The old DTM/ITC weight penalty system
I don't know exactly how much the weight or the finishing positions, but the idea was a placing a temporary weight penalty as balast to level down the competition.
Supposing that podium finishing positions would receive the following penalty for the next race:
P3 => 05kg
P2 => 10kg
P1 => 15kg

If the driver still gets to the podium, more ballast would be added, otherwise, removed.

It is said that 10kg of weight represents circa 0.2-0.3 sec per lap, depending of the track, so if you want to make your math mastubation, be my guest and simulate the adjustment on total time in the race distance.


The results discarding system
As once used in F1, in the good old days of Senna vs Prost, you could discard some results until somebody overtakes Jenson as he only had 1DNF in Spa, while Vettel had several engine gremlims.

So if we discars 6 races:

Vettel worse results
Race / Jenson / Vettel / GAP
Australia / 10 / 00 / 10
Malaysia / 10 / 00 / 10
Monaco / 10 / 00 / 10
Europe / 02 / 00 / 02
Hungary / 02 / 00 / 02
Monza / 08 / 01 / 07


Jenson worse results
Race / Jenson / Vettel / GAP
Spa / 00 / 10 /
Briton / 03 / 10 /
Hungary / 02 / 00
Europe / 02 / 00 /
Singapore / 04 / 05
Japan / 01 / 10

driver WDC discard 6 results
Jenson 95 - 12 = 83
Vettel 84 - 01 = 83

But Jenson would get more wins, so we should dig more.

[Archybald]

Ui nice thread ...
Could you invent a points system acording to which Rubens would have won? lol

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ill work on it when i wake up in the morning! Few thoughts though could do a system with gives bonus points for years in F1 but if you want to keep it within the season maybe number 2 driver should gain a portion of number 1 driver. Or could re-arange points so the 4-5-6-7 point places give more then the 1-2-3 point places but that could run the risk of everyone else winning though we could apply the scrabble method where as 1st name and 2nd name put on a scrabble board figure out how much they would be worth then depending on the place so lets just say you have someone with a name that scores 10 points in scrabble if they place 1 you get 10/1 = 10 2 then 10/2=5 so on and so fourth though i think that'd be a little close to sebastian vettel where as jenson button wouldnt be up the top with the scrabble system!

*edit* just for referance rubens barrichello is worth 26 points sebastian vettel is worth 20 points hmm suprisingly jenson button is worth 21 points maybe he'd end up on top with that too



Are you impressed by my total lack of grammar and spelling yet? lol

Edited by Archybald, 09 November 2009 - 01:06.

[ryan86]

The All Races outside Europe Discounted Championship? (I believe the Turkish GP is held in Asian Turkey)

JB = 39
SV = 30
RB = 47
MW = 34

I think adding Brazil, Japan and Australia to the calender and making it the "Discouting Events With No Heritage, But Got Tilke To Build A Track" (Europe and Germany have Enough Heritage)

JB = 54
SV = 45
RB = 58
MW = 44

I've come to the conclusion that Rubens is hampered by driving at tracks designed by Tilke with no fans.

Edited by ryan86, 09 November 2009 - 01:44.

[pongkai]

Ladies and gentleman, I present to you the 2009 Backwards F1 championship, the championship where people get points for finishing in the last 8 positions (10 points for last, 8 points for penultimate, etc). This season we had an exciting season-long battle between Adrian Sutil and Giancarlo Fisichella, but eventually the german got the crown:

A little cruel, but hilarious.

[Captain Tightpants]

At the start of each race, each of the drivers roll a die. That number is multiplied by the number of seasons a driver have been in Formula One. In Button's case, if he rolls a six and has been in the sport ten years, that means he gets a sixty.

The number each driver ends up with is the number of laps which he must drive to within 1% of his personal best. If he fails to meet that number, he will lose points for every lap to make up the difference between the two numbers. So if Button rolls a sixty, but only manages fifty laps within 1%, he will lose points for those ten laps.

The points a driver loses is calculated by the number of wins the driver has in a season multiplied by the number on his car and divided by ten. From Silverstone onwards, Button would lose eleven points for every lap he failed to be within 1% of his personal best because six wins multipled twenty-two is one hundred and ten; divide it by ten and you get eleven.

Then at the end of the season, extra points will be awarded to the most popular driver. To ensure objectivity, this will be done by the media. Fifty points will be given to AS to give to a driver of their choice, while La Marca will also be entitled to award fifty points. By having two newspapers do it instead of just the one, objctivity is protected ...

[blizzzzard]

The WDC standings since the Brawn GP car is not 1 sec faster than the others:

Vettel 55
Webber 42
Barrichello 42
Hamilton 40
Raikkonen 39
Button 34

No matter how much do you mock the Button-scepticism, this was by far the worst more-than-just-second-half season in F1 history.

[Youichi]

Ladies and gentleman, I present to you the 2009 Backwards F1 championship, the championship where people get points for finishing in the last 8 positions (10 points for last, 8 points for penultimate, etc). This season we had an exciting season-long battle between Adrian Sutil and Giancarlo Fisichella, but eventually the german got the crown:



Unfortunately Jenson Button was the only driver this season that didn't make it to the points.

I've also took the time to calculate a couple of the previous seasons and this is the list of champions:

2009 - Adrian Sutil (Force India) 71pts
2008 - Sebastian Bourdais (Toro Rosso) 72pts
2007 - Anthony Davidson (Super Aguri) 76pts
2006 - Takuma Sato (Super Aguri) 79pts
2005 - Tiago Monteiro (Jordan) 117pts
2004 - Zsolt Baumgartner (Minardi) 100pts
2003 - Jos Verstappen (Minardi) 80pts
2002 - Mark Webber (Minardi) 60pts
2001 - Fernando Alonso (Minardi) 59pts

A little cruel, but hilarious.

Actually, I think this is a genious idea, we should run a thread on this all next year, so we can mathematically conclude which is the worst of the new teams !

Do the results only include classified finishers ? or do they include DNFs ?

[Rinehart]

Why not simply throw away the first half of the season? That seems to be the method the detractors have already adopted.

Exactly. Apparently Button doesn't deserve the Championship because he had a rubbish 2nd half of the season, but....

Button did what he needed to do, stayed out of trouble and managed the pressure. You don't get a Championship Plus for winning it by more points

Barrichello deserves it despite NOT beating his own teammate

Vettel deserves it despite making several major mistakes which cost him the title

Webber deserves it despite not beating his own teammate

Hamilton deserves it for being the best driver but his car wasn't upto it

My favorite driver *insert name here* deserves it because I love him and have a tatoo of his face on my ass

I don't think, realistically, there is a sane points system that would have robbed Button of the title. He won it by a significant margin.

[Burai]

Y'know, it's pretty depressing when someone has over three and a half thousand posts on this board in the space of two and a half years shows that he doesn't even read the posts he's responding to.

Rinehart have you even read my first post at all or did you look at the title, get completely engulfed with rage and just blindly start typing in order to defend Button's honour?

This thread isn't about Jenson's worthiness as World Champion. I've plainly stated that twice now.