Scrutineering weights
#1
Posted 08 November 2009 - 19:30
A search on Ferrari 330P4 + scrutineering weight led me to this forum, where I´ve read all posts I could find concerned with 330P´s, but I haven´t been able to find anything about scrutineering weights.
I´m especially interested in the scrutineering weight / starting weight of cars at 24h Le Mans 1949-1971 and would be very happy if anybody can help me since Google isn´t very helpfull in this respect. So if you know the measured weight of a car of the period at Le Mans or know where I can find such data I´ll be happy to hear.
Apparently the ACO made a technical file of participating cars since 1959, but except for the 1965 scrutineering weight I have in a book, I have found nothing like it anywhere. The net seems empty on the subject.
I´d like to compare some "real" weights, since fx. the official weights given for Ferraris apparently has little to do with actual racing weights in long distance racing. Fx. the 330P3 dry weight is stated to be anywhere from 707 to 792kg and the 330P4 799kg "full", while both have been said to be close to 1000kg at Le Mans.
(THe 330P2´s at the 1965 LM weighed 950 to 1010kg at scrutineering compared to the official dry weight of 820kg)
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#2
Posted 08 November 2009 - 20:29
Hello
A search on Ferrari 330P4 + scrutineering weight led me to this forum, where I´ve read all posts I could find concerned with 330P´s, but I haven´t been able to find anything about scrutineering weights.
I´m especially interested in the scrutineering weight / starting weight of cars at 24h Le Mans 1949-1971 and would be very happy if anybody can help me since Google isn´t very helpfull in this respect. So if you know the measured weight of a car of the period at Le Mans or know where I can find such data I´ll be happy to hear.
Apparently the ACO made a technical file of participating cars since 1959, but except for the 1965 scrutineering weight I have in a book, I have found nothing like it anywhere. The net seems empty on the subject.
I´d like to compare some "real" weights, since fx. the official weights given for Ferraris apparently has little to do with actual racing weights in long distance racing. Fx. the 330P3 dry weight is stated to be anywhere from 707 to 792kg and the 330P4 799kg "full", while both have been said to be close to 1000kg at Le Mans.
(THe 330P2´s at the 1965 LM weighed 950 to 1010kg at scrutineering compared to the official dry weight of 820kg)
I know somebody who own that kind of data...... Are you a writer ?
#3
Posted 08 November 2009 - 20:44
I know somebody who own that kind of data...... Are you a writer ?
At one time I wished write a book on Le Mans, focused on the cars, their appearance, data and performance, but I´ve dropped some time ago. It´s too much work, and perhaps there are also enough books about Le Mans!? So I´ll just call myself really nerdy ;-) (unless an enthusiastic co-writer suddenly appears, perhaps...)
#4
Posted 08 November 2009 - 22:38
No 16 - Maranello Concessionaires Ferrari 365P2 - 1029kg
No 17 - Ecurie Francorchamps Ferrari 365P2 - 1044kg
No 18 - NART Ferrari 365P2 - 1047kg
No 19 - Scuderia Filpinetti Ferrari 365P2 - 1013kg
No 20 - Ferrari SEFAC Ferrari 330P3 - 989kg
No 21 - Ferrari SEFAC Ferrari 330P3 - 981kg
No 25 - NART Ferrari Dino 206S - 821kg
INCIDENTALLY...
No 2 - Shelby American Ford GT Mark II - 1211kg
No 3 - Shelby American Ford GT Mark II - 1231kg
No 4 - Holman & Moody Ford GT Mark II - 1245kg
No 5 - Holman & Moody Ford GT Mark II - 1245kg
No 6 - Holman & Moody Ford GT Mark II - 1240kg
No 7 - Alan Mann Racing Ford GT Mark II - 1205kg
No 8 - Alan Mann Racing Ford GT Mark II - 1214kg
AND
No 9 - Chaparral Cars Chaparral-Chevrolet 2D - 892kg
No 10 - Prototype Bizzarini srl Bizzarini-Chevrolet 1019kg
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#5
Posted 09 November 2009 - 20:26
It´s funny that the Dino was so heavy, the scrut. weight of the 1965 166P was only 700kg.
It seems that the Alan Mann Fords had been seen to by the weight watchers, while the Holman & Moody´s hadn´t
...snf the 1967 Chapparals is supposed to have been even lighter.
Do you also have weights for other 1966 cars?
#6
Posted 10 November 2009 - 20:25
Ecurie Ford France 4.7-litre Ford GT No 15 - 1,118kg
Scuderia Filipinetti 4.7-litre Ford GT No 14 - 1,096kg
Maranello Concessionaires' GT Catgory-winning Ferrari 275GTB/C No 29 - chassis 09035GT - 1206kg
Porsche's 906 No 30 - 712kg
Ditto No 31 - also 712kg (which must prove something about Porsche factory preparation?)
Ditto No 32 - ALSO 712kg
Ditto No 33 - 692kg
Ditto No 34 - 692kg (Veuillet's entry)
Maranello's Dino 206S No 36 - 738kg
NART Dino 206S No 38 - 722kg
Matra-BRM No 41 - 889kg
Ecurie Savin Calberson Alpine A210 1300 No 44 - 691kg
Austin-Healey No 48 - 722kg
Ditto Sprite No 49 - 720kg
J-L Marnat Marcos GT No 50 - 628kg
CD SP66 No 51 - 685kg
Ditto No 52 - 661kg
NART ASA RB613 No 54 - 769kg
Alpine M64 No 56 - 668kg
Porsche 906 No 58 - 688kg
Essex Wire 4.7-litre Ford GT No 60 - 1,105kg
Scuderia Bear 4.7-litre Ford GT No 63 - 1,101kg
Ecurie Ford France 4.7-litre Ford GT No 15 - 1,118kg
Scuderia Filipinetti 4.7-litre Ford GT No 14 - 1,096kg
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