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#51 HMV

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 20:24

No because F1 is better for having Renault in it than without.


I see finer shades of irony don't translate well into written form.

And yes, I'd prefer Renault to stay as a serious competitor.

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#52 Buttoneer

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 20:37

What was the irony?

#53 Lukin83

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 21:19

I hope Robert stays at a resurgent Renault. I don't want F1 to lose another top seat (and I think Renault can be a top seat).


Kubica being a leader in Renault, fighting for both championships against Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso and perhaps Nick in a Merc would be the best possible scenario. But it's very unlikely to happen, I'm afraid. Renault is going to be a mid-pack team next year unless a miracle will happen. Would be a shame to lose them though.

This news about Mercedes and Ferrari? The Silly Season is just frantic this year! :) I love it.

#54 f1seb

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 21:51

Certainly it doesn't seem like Renault is going to give it a fair shot which is not fair to Kubica. If they are going to stay in F1 just to "survive" another year then it's best if they just pull out. Will be better for everybody, including the drivers.

#55 korzeniow

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 01:43

http://www.p1mag.de


I must say that I never heard about p1magazine? So I'm asking you: how much reliable is this magazie?

#56 nmar

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 08:49

Meanwhile, Kubica has a lot of fun on Rallye du Var :)

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Edited by nmar, 27 November 2009 - 09:22.


#57 CaptainJackSparrow

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 10:16

This new story says that he has a break clause that he can trigger soon with Renault, makes sense:

http://www.as.com/mo...dasdaimot_1/Tes

"So, Mercedes might have an ace up its sleeve: Robert Kubica. Renault already has a contract with the French team but finally decides to retire, would pave the way for joining of Ross Brawn. Moreover, according to some sources, if Renault does not guarantee in the coming weeks its continuity, the Pole would be automatically released from their contractual commitments."


#58 HMV

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 11:28

It might just be that Renault isn't particularly keen on keeping a driver they have to pay for driving, when they can get another driver that will pay them for driving. They still seem to have a huge budget hole despite corporate promises of extra funding.

#59 Owen

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 11:32

I reckon Mercedes is a better bet for Kubica. If I was him I'd try and wriggle out of the Renault contract.

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#60 CaptainJackSparrow

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 16:30

Good round up of RK's Renault/Merc switch:

Mercedes eyes Renault's Kubica - report
Racing series F1
Date 2009-11-27
By Motorsport.com/GMM

Robert Kubica will be free to sign with another Formula One team unless Renault guarantees his seat in the coming weeks, according to a report on Friday in Spain's Diario AS.

The 24-year-old Pole has signed a contract to race with the French squad in 2010, but Renault is contemplating its commitment to Formula One and is set to announce its plans before the end of the year.

AS said that if Kubica is available, Mercedes GP would be interested in signing the former BMW-Sauber driver to be Nico Rosberg's teammate.

The report cited "sources" in claiming that if Renault does not commit to F1 "in the coming weeks" Kubica will be "automatically released" from his contract.

continued at:
http://www.motorspor...p...53034&FS=F1





#61 santori

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 16:38

It's interesting that these rumours aren't about whether Renault will be in F1 or not, just whether they'll confirm in the next few weeks whether they'll be in F1 or not. So say they don't confirm but stay anyway - Robert at Mercedes and Nick at Renault? :D

Edited by santori, 27 November 2009 - 16:39.


#62 athlon

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 16:39

A Nico-Robert line-up would be awesome for Mercedes, they could win the championship as well.

#63 alecc

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 00:04

A Nico-Robert line-up would be awesome for Mercedes, they could win the championship as well.


hmm...
2007 - Kimi Raikkonen (first WDC)
2008 - Lewis Hamilton (first WDC)
2009 - Jenson Button (first WDC)
2010 - Nico Rosber/Robert Kubica (???)

that would be interesting, four first-time-WDC's in a row, but even though, despite the fact that I'm a fan of Robert, I don't think it would happen, I would rather have expected that Mercede will be WCC and the WDC get to somebody other but a first-time-WDC too. (Vettel?? Massa??)


#64 korzeniow

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 02:13

hmm...
2007 - Kimi Raikkonen (first WDC)
2008 - Lewis Hamilton (first WDC)
2009 - Jenson Button (first WDC)
2010 - Nico Rosber/Robert Kubica (???)

:stoned:

that would be interesting, four first-time-WDC's in a row, but even though, despite the fact that I'm a fan of Robert, I don't think it would happen, I would rather have expected that Mercede will be WCC and the WDC get to somebody other but a first-time-WDC too. (Vettel?? Massa??)


hmm that's interesting. Could you explain why you think that Merc won't win WDC? I think they have all what they need to claim WDC in nexxt year. Of course there will be SF, Mac and RB trying to ruined their plans but Brawn GP stopped their 2009 car development quite early and focused on 2010 project. Huge injection of money also works for them. Even if they won't sign Kubica I think will do good job too.

#65 santori

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 16:50

Posted by RF1 fan in the Silly Season thread:

Confidential-Renault.fr says it has had news that Renault is staying.

Edited by santori, 28 November 2009 - 16:51.


#66 korzeniow

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 13:31

what about this: http://www.crash.net...renault_f1.html ??

#67 santori

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 13:50

Crash.net is rubbish, though. It's rumours are distorted to draw in more readers and usually a week late.

#68 wingwalker

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 14:15

That's right, it's exactly as credible as some pure speculation by me or anyone else here, or maybe even less, as go for the 'breaking news' factor to gain more readers.

#69 ForeverF1

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 14:29

Guys, don't let the discussion about crash.net pull the thread off topic.

#70 CaptainJackSparrow

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 15:19

Methinks Dario AS who broke the Kubica/Merc story may have tread on a few toes in doing so from this site which claims to know the inner details of the proposed switcheroo:
http://gpinsider.wor...dear-diario-as/

Well it's going to be an interesting new few weeks regardless for Kubica.

#71 alecc

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 13:23

kubica (...).he is the extreme understeer driver who absolutely needs his rear end to stick to the track when he turns in.any slide there and hes in trouble because his aggressive potentially exagerrates any little oversteer that he encounters


Shouldn't the narrower front tyres emphasize the understeer drivers, and mean little bit more trouble for oversteer drivers? I mean, narrower front tyres mean more understeering car, or I'm wrong?

A little OT - who, besides Kubica, is less or more "clasic" understeer driver from the top drivers in F1?

Edited by alecc, 01 December 2009 - 13:24.


#72 thuGG

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 13:26

Yes, narrower front tires shifts the car characteristics into understeer, but I guess, with the setup changes you can still make the car neutral or oversteer.

Alonso is another classic understeer drover.

#73 korzeniow

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 11:06

today is Kubica's birthday! http://en.wikipedia....i/Robert_Kubica



#74 thuGG

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 11:29

Happy Birthday then!

#75 grunge

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 14:47

Shouldn't the narrower front tyres emphasize the understeer drivers, and mean little bit more trouble for oversteer drivers? I mean, narrower front tyres mean more understeering car, or I'm wrong?

A little OT - who, besides Kubica, is less or more "clasic" understeer driver from the top drivers in F1?

yes with narrower fronts,next year's cars will be more liable to under than oversteer as opposed to this year.a lot of other factors will come into play though..the chassis development and especially the suspension setting relative to the front and rear.ultimately engineers design cars to run as fast as they can but they always consider factors that their 'star' drivers normally cant live with...the R25 for example favouring alonso's sudden turn in and hurting fisi at the same time..eg. people like montoya who coudnt live with any understeer or massa who hates any OS.most drivers that ive read hate midcorner understeer more than anything else.understandable.

on drivers liking understeer,its a lot more complicated than simply liking over and understeer ,it has more to do with thir turn ins..those who like to turn in early and those who do the opposite.

massa is well known to like corner entry understeer.prost had the most graceful US entry..alonso on the other hand is a bit of a dilemmna to be honest..his renault days clearly suggest a driver that likes entry US.salo and others described his style in detail back in 05.he was the prototype kart racer.his sudden exaggerated turn in technique reflects something that he possibly carried on from his karting days where karts commonly have some inherent US due to solid rear axles.he would ''powerundersteer'' into corners ,a technique primarily used to reduce US as karters learn the trade.

his recent years though seem to reflect a much more neutral driver and a much less extreme turn in in his onboards..either the r25 had too much understeer and his technique was there to compensate for it or he simply ''smoothed''out as his career progressed.

coming back to kubica,as people like hughes have suggested hell hopefully be devastatingly quick once he gets his hands on a machine that gives him ample rear grip.

ps..sorry for the late reply..been busy

Edited by grunge, 07 December 2009 - 14:51.


#76 thuGG

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 14:52

his recent years though seem to reflect a much more neutral driver and a much less extreme turn in in his onboards..either the r25 had too much understeer and his technique was there to compensate for it or he simply ''smoothed''out as his career progressed.


That is because he has no Michelins at his disposal. Kubica also had to change his understeer-entry style because of Bridgestone tyres.

#77 alecc

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 14:59

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ps..sorry for the late reply..been busy


That's the information that I was looking for, thanks! :) :wave:


#78 thrash

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 17:05

Happy Birthday Robert :clap: :clap: :clap:

#79 barteks

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 20:40

BTW. I've recently read in F1Racing that Renault was using (via Michelin) Kubica's feedback about the tyres in 2006 to help Alonso pick the right compund :)

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#80 thuGG

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:16

Well, they have pretty similar driving style, on friday practices, most of the time, drove test drivers, so Michelin gathered useful data from him.

Edited by thuGG, 08 December 2009 - 01:18.


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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:25

Narrower fronts will only cause US should all other factors remain the same. The CofG and CofD will be moved rearwards to compensate for the grip bias moving rearwards. Hopefully the C of G moving progressively forwards as the fuel empties will mean we get drivers with cars that get better as the race goes on catching those who set their car up for a good opening stint. F1 being F1 most will prob go for the middle ground.

#82 alecc

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Posted 11 December 2009 - 23:30

I have a part of a new interview with Willy Rampf.

Translated part about Robert Kubica:

"Robert is a very talented driver. From the beginning of our cooperation, he was fast. In my opinion, he is a very demanding person in the cooperation with the team, but it had some positive sides too. He pushed us very tight to act faster, and put the developments as fast as possibly to the car. We - as the Sauber team - have learned much from him. Most of all, that you can't rest on one's laurels, only you should keep working on next updates."


:eek:

I have a hunch, that it sucks to cooperate with him "Faster! Why the aero updates aren't already done on this GP! I want more updates! The car is to slow!" :stoned:

Edited by alecc, 11 December 2009 - 23:30.


#83 korzeniow

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 11:47

I had to delve this topic, because I found sth interesting.

Aparently Kubica is very revered in the UK. :wave:

http://sundayafterno...driver-of-2009/

Edited by korzeniow, 29 December 2009 - 13:49.


#84 salamin

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 13:42

according to motor.es kubica signed with ferrari for the first 3 races to replace massa (because of his neck pains)

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 13:50

Prank by the Spanish journalists on the occasion of their "equivalent" of April Fools' Day.

#86 korzeniow

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 13:50

according to motor.es kubica signed with ferrari for the first 3 races to replace massa (because of his neck pains)


yeap, but that was yesterday and yesterday in Spain was fools day :wave:

#87 salamin

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 14:09

i stay corrected

#88 alecc

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 15:30

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/8439373.stm

Kubica stays in Renault, what a suprise :stoned:

Worth mentioning:

"It is totally untrue that we were asking for more money," said Morelli.

"It is not in our interests to take advantage. We want the money for the team.

"Robert wants a performing car. It's useless if the driver gets more money if you have a weak car and lose (performance) bonuses. It's better to score points and make podiums than to earn more money."


But still Kubica haters will have their opinion about the greedy pole :p

#89 barteks

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 16:12

What a surprise... that you haven't read topics on the first page :wave:

http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=4063605

#90 barteks

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 20:30

Q&A with Robert Kubica:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/81426

#91 alecc

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 20:43

Great, too Kubicas on the front, maybe a thread merge or smth?

http://forums.autosp...w...0&start=200

#92 barteks

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 19:41

A new helmet:

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Edited by barteks, 12 February 2010 - 19:41.


#93 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 19:50

A new helmet:

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Front side is f...ing awesome!!! Best looking helmet so far IMHO. Can't wait to see it with Robert in R30.

#94 skipper

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 20:06

Yeah, It's incredible!. Great looking helmet. Especially on the front. Awesome :up:

Edited by skipper, 12 February 2010 - 20:07.


#95 Walsingham

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 20:18

Great, too Kubicas on the front, maybe a thread merge or smth?

http://forums.autosp...w...0&start=200


The other one is Kubica bashing thread.

#96 skipper

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 20:27

The other one is Kubica bashing thread.


Yea, I have seen, unfortunately ):

#97 thuGG

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 20:37

Front side is f...ing awesome!!! Best looking helmet so far IMHO. Can't wait to see it with Robert in R30.


Agree, so far I thought that red-blue helmet was awesome, but this one is even better. Fantastic job.

#98 barteks

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 15:02

@eddstrawF1: Working on a Robert Kubica feature for next week's AUTOSPORT magazine - a fascinating character, not to mention potential champion


http://twitter.com/e...atus/9226601146

#99 Sarhan

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 16:10

http://twitter.com/e...atus/9226601146


I remember last years Kubica feature, was a great read :)




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#100 CaptainJackSparrow

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 17:11

http://twitter.com/e...atus/9226601146


Just needs a good car that's all!!:)