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#1051 RedOne

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 20:34

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According to @antonioboselli it wasn't Kubica in the car during making that short rally video #F1 #Kubica

Boselli is erraffe team chief, IIRC... So, :( I was happy to see him driving.


It was always going to be too good to be true, that would be all over Internet and papers if he was driving a car that good already.

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#1052 heidfield

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 20:47

As I thought. This is becoming a comedy :down: .

#1053 iotar

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:15

As I thought. This is becoming a comedy :down: .

I knew it, too. But forgot to post that I knew it. So now I can write whatever I want because it's impossible to disprove it.

You thought it was Kubica, too. Liar  ;)

#1054 heidfield

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:36

No, actually I didn't: http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5652836

#1055 Krr

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:47

Could somebody speaking italian translate it properly? From twitter of Alberto Sabbatini. I don't know how to understand it based on google translate.

"Robert ci ha detto che quel giorno si sono alternati alla guida: in in alcune delle foto non guida lui, ma nel video sì"

"Nel filmato è lui che guida: ce l'ha detto lui stesso"

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 23:07

Could somebody speaking italian translate it properly? From twitter of Alberto Sabbatini. I don't know how to understand it based on google translate.

"Robert ci ha detto che quel giorno si sono alternati alla guida: in in alcune delle foto non guida lui, ma nel video sì"

"Nel filmato è lui che guida: ce l'ha detto lui stesso"


My Italian is a bit rusty but here;s the jist of it...

The first one is - Robert said that on that day they alternated driving, in one of the photos he wasn't driving, but in the video he was.
Second: in the film it's him driving, he told us.

#1057 Chomsky

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:44

To summarize: so like I said no one knew if it was RK driving. Emotional, irrational fans assumed it was him. Now you know it wasn't. It has happened before with the loads of unreliable news about him but people still never learn and think what they want to think, even if it isn't true.

Edited by Chomsky, 13 April 2012 - 02:46.


#1058 Zava

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:47

To summarize: so like I said no one knew if it was RK driving. Emotional, irrational fans assumed it was him. Now you know it wasn't. It has happened before with the loads of unreliable news about him but people still never learn and think what they want to think, even if it isn't true.

"Second: in the film it's him driving, he told us."

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:38

"Second: in the film it's him driving, he told us."


Yes, the Italian driver told the Polish site that it was him driving... what is your point?

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:54

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and such precision :up:

Some more gossips and "news" on other sites, which are quite interesting:
Axis of Oversteer

"The comeback continues with our sources telling Axis that Robert has also been logging a lot of GP2 simulator time and handily beating current drivers times. An F1 test in 2012 is still in the cards though it is possible Kubica might return to WRC rather than single seaters. Well, a little rally car seems to have done Kimi a lot of good."

Crancandpiston
"The grapevine hints that a GP2 test is on the agenda soon."


So it looks like the Ferrari deal is on. That would explain why it was tried to avoid publicy for Robert´s awesome drive in that Renault.

#1061 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:00

Yes, the Italian driver told the Polish site that it was him driving... what is your point?


And Alberto Sabbatini is saying that RK told him it was him driving in the video. Which is more credible?

Edited by Diablobb81, 13 April 2012 - 05:01.


#1062 Chomsky

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:31

So it looks like the Ferrari deal is on. That would explain why it was tried to avoid publicy for Robert´s awesome drive in that Renault.


Delusion at its finest. Unless you are being sarcastic...

And Alberto Sabbatini is saying that RK told him it was him driving in the video. Which is more credible?


I think someone is lost in translation here


#1063 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:34

I think someone is lost in translation here


Certainly not on what Alberto Sabbatini is saying. Is it the truth? Who knows. But it certainly is more credible.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:34

So it looks like the Ferrari deal is on. That would explain why it was tried to avoid publicy for Robert´s awesome drive in that Renault.

So somebody, somewhere, possibly might have driven a rally car. And Kubica was, perhaps, according to some google translated article possibly seen somewhere around that general area. And suddenly it's conclusive proof that he's going to walk into a Ferrari when he feels like it. At his own terms. A driver from a midfield team, hasn't driven anything, much less an F1 car since he had his limbs mangled in a horrible accident. And he's the #1 candidate for Ferrari over anyone in the world?
Some of the most deluded people in the world ITT.

Also loving the swooning over his clearly masterclass WDC winning no-one-drives-like-this-but-Kubica-omg-OMG!! driving in the video, only to find out it's some random douche behind the wheel. Whoops.
The tales of Kubica's heroics among his more deluded fans are also starting to rival those of Putin, Kim Jong Il. Every time there's a report of him possibly driving something, anything, he's broken all the current records and a double rainbow and a new star have lit up the sky to herald this heavenly feat of awesomeness.

Also regarding your straw clutching theory about the publicity; if you're trying to avoid publicity, you DO NOT INVITE A JOURNALIST to attend and have a deal with him over what he tells the press. FFS. :kiss:

#1065 Walsingham

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:41

To summarize: so like I said no one knew if it was RK driving. Emotional, irrational fans assumed it was him. Now you know it wasn't. It has happened before with the loads of unreliable news about him but people still never learn and think what they want to think, even if it isn't true.


This whole fake test is set up by reptilians who want their only driver back in f1. You save the free world again mr chomsky.

On the serious note someone with your nick should understand the difference between "he is not on the video" and "he wasnt driving at all"


#1066 Chomsky

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:53

This whole fake test is set up by reptilians who want their only driver back in f1. You save the free world again mr chomsky.

On the serious note someone with your nick should understand the difference between "he is not on the video" and "he wasnt driving at all"


I'm not following you... I never said the test never happened or that RK wasn't there. People thought it was him driving in the youtube video and it turned out it wasn't. Hysterical RK fans then posted here and everywhere else how awesome it was seeing him rallying like that.

Apparently now some Italian guy on twitter claims RK told him it was him in the video so who knows. I suspect there are also translation issues here. This is a great example of what happens with any "news" of RK's recovery.

Edited by Chomsky, 13 April 2012 - 06:10.


#1067 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:57

Stop the BS.

It's not "some italian guy" it's the editor in chief of Autosprint.

And there is nothing lost in translation. Stop making shit up.

#1068 Chomsky

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:10

Stop the BS.

It's not "some italian guy" it's the editor in chief of Autosprint.

And there is nothing lost in translation. Stop making shit up.


Relax... It's happened before with stories about his recovery. I'm assuming you know Italian well enough and will take your word.

It's still strange how the other driver claims it was him in the video and then RK tells Autosprint it was him in the video. Nothing is ever certain with news about his recovery. Maybe that is how he and and his manger like it.

Edited by Chomsky, 13 April 2012 - 06:11.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:30

Also loving the swooning over his clearly masterclass WDC winning no-one-drives-like-this-but-Kubica-omg-OMG!! driving in the video, only to find out it's some random douche behind the wheel. Whoops.


The drive is very good. And even if this is not Kubica, the "some random douche behind the wheel" is a known local rally talent, not just a random guy, who sees rally car for the first time.

#1070 Walsingham

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:46

So somebody, somewhere, possibly might have driven a rally car. And Kubica was, perhaps, according to some google translated article possibly seen somewhere around that general area.



Naah. It was Kubica's evil twin paid by demonic Daniele Morelli.


Some of the most deluded people in the world ITT.



Deluded? What would you say about the guy who belives that Kubica dresses up in racing suit and attends some random kart and rally events just to be spotted by paprazzis in order to make Luca di Montezemolo belive he is ready to race Ferrari?



The tales of Kubica's heroics among his more deluded fans are also starting to rival those of Putin, Kim Jong Il.


Im sure you recovered from more severe accident and came back to rally in the same car and the same place you almost died. C'mon world is holding breath for your story. Especially those medicine specialists from this and other threads who said many times thats impossible.



Also regarding your straw clutching theory about the publicity; if you're trying to avoid publicity, you DO NOT INVITE A JOURNALIST to attend and have a deal with him over what he tells the press. FFS. :kiss:


Yep we all know RK. His dates with Paris Hilton, concerts where he sings with Justin Bieber, crazy parties with Jack Nicholson, on Kubica's yacht after Oscar gala, visits to Oprah show where he reveals secrets of his sexual life, one photographer on one test. Guy must be attention whore.

Edited by Walsingham, 13 April 2012 - 07:11.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:58

Original tweet:
Robert ci ha detto che quel giorno si sono alternati alla guida: in in alcune delle foto non guida lui, ma nel video sì
?

#1072 Krr

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:06

Question is if we consider Alberto Sabbatini as a trustworthy and reliable. Because actually it's a first person in a long long time that is suppose to get some info directly from Robert himsefl, instead of standard "sources or person close to Robert and his camp" To put words in Kubica mouth on those social media would be like closing doors on further cooperation like interview or smth like that in magazine he's running, wouldnt it?

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:09

Original tweet:
Robert ci ha detto che quel giorno si sono alternati alla guida: in in alcune delle foto non guida lui, ma nel video sì
?


Yep, here it is: https://twitter.com/#!/sabbatini

#1074 MadYarpen

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:39

google translate says that Robert isn't driving in every photo, but he is in the video, is that right?

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:43

Ah, it's nice to see things are business as normal here... it's nice to know I can rely on something other than death and taxes.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:49

So it seems he really drove that car! Great!

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:51

Deluded? What would you say about the guy who belives that Kubica dresses up in racing suit and attends some random kart and rally events just to be spotted by paprazzis in order to make Luca di Montezemolo belive he is ready to race Ferrari?

I don't know, who is that guy? You? At which point have I made any claims even remotely close to that? Or any claims as to what Kubica is doing whatsoever. Stop pulling arguments out your arse and putting them in my mouth. They taste bad.

Im sure you recovered from more severe accident and come back to rally in the same car and the same place you almost die. C'mon world is holding breath for your story.

Wtf have my doings and health got to do with this? People making ridiculous fantasies and clutching at straws is retarded, regardless of my health and hobbies. Seriously wtf? That's your argument?


Yep we all know RK. His dates with Paris Hilton, concerts where he sings with Justin Bieber, crazy parties with Jack Nicholson, on Kubica's yacht after Oscar gala, visits to Oprah show where he reveals secrets of his sexual life, one photographer on one test. Guy must be attention whore.

And what is your argument here? Doesn't matter if he hasn't told people about his sexual fantasies of Bieber, or visited Oprah's crazy parties or whatever. Seahawks theory flies out the window the moment Kubica invites a journalist to his test that's supposed to be kept a secret. To freshen your memory: Seahawk claimed it proves Kubica's going to Ferrari that he wants to keep the Renault rally test a secret. Which makes no sense whatsoever, even excluding the bit where it doesn't line up with reality.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:22

At which point have I made any claims even remotely close to that?

Pls mate. You wrote: So somebody, somewhere, possibly might have driven a rally car. And Kubica was, perhaps, according to some google translated article possibly seen somewhere around that general area.
What I wrote is only a logical conclusion of your suggestion that Kubica dresses in racing suit and takes his helmet only to watch some private tests. BTW the very idea that RK does what you suggested he does is an insult to common sense.

People making ridiculous fantasies and clutching at straws is retarded, regardless of my health and hobbies.


What fantasies? From what i see here they just said that on video car looks fast and that track is dangerous and you compared such claims to Korean propaganda. Who is retarded then?

The point I was making is that after such severe injuries after hundreds of opinions that his return to any form of motorsport is impossible, anything above driving an electric car for disabled people is an achievement worth praise, the same praise you compare to korean propaganda.

And what is your argument here?


I thought my point was simple. He is not seeking for publicity if he was he would have it easily. I havent seen any proof that photographer was hired or even invited there by RK camp. Their reaction to his actions suggest something completely different. If they wanted they could easily find some journos whom they can trust.

Edited by Walsingham, 13 April 2012 - 08:37.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:54

google translate says that Robert isn't driving in every photo, but he is in the video, is that right?

More or less, I woul translate it as "Robert has said that, that day, they took turns to drive: in some of the pictures, he's not the one who's driving, but in the video, he is"

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:58

Of interest from Mark Hughes...

"Ferrari is waiting in the hope Kubica regains fitness. As a result, Felipe Massa, who is doing poorly, just a warm place for the Pole, if it turns out that this will be able to come back - he wrote in a column for "AUTOSPORT."

Kubica for Massa?
http://www.nowosci.c...t...48&IdTag=36


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:09

Of interest from Mark Hughes...

"Ferrari is waiting in the hope Kubica regains fitness. As a result, Felipe Massa, who is doing poorly, just a warm place for the Pole, if it turns out that this will be able to come back - he wrote in a column for "AUTOSPORT."

Kubica for Massa?
http://www.nowosci.c...t...48&IdTag=36


It is good to hear something like this from the mouth of renowned journalist. But one must remember he was always in favour of Kubica :)

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/9080455.stm

Edited by wolviex, 13 April 2012 - 11:10.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 13:44

Apparently Sabbatini (editor in chief of Italian AutoSprint, so not just anyone) now says he is '100% sure" it is RK.



So assuming he knows what he is talking about, stuff like 1:08 and 2:42 in the video suggests RK has a good level of grip and power in the right hand as I don't think anyone would approach doing this sort of stuff without full confidence.. shit, now I'm really curious how things really stand.



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Posted 13 April 2012 - 14:00

Well thats all very interesting! After seeing the video of Bob driving the rally car its nice to read speculation like this with the feeling there's a realistic chance it will come to something.

I think there will be a very easy way to tell if Ferrari are considering him for Massa's seat. Ferrari easily have the ability to stick Kubica in one of their old cars and give him some testing like they did with Schumi in '09. If they really are looking at him for Massa's seat I would expect this to happen at some point during the season.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:34

Because his hands are ok and already recovered. The only issue now is an elbow, he just needs more time.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:36

It is good to hear something like this from the mouth of renowned journalist. But one must remember he was always in favour of Kubica :)

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/9080455.stm


It doesn't cost Ferrari anything to give Massa's replacement a "go away" clause when Felipe gets the boot, if they think Kubica can walk in and smash all expectations. I honestly doubt they consider getting Kubica as their primary replacement, unless they know more than we do (which is possible).

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:02

And Alberto Sabbatini is saying that RK told him it was him driving in the video. Which is more credible?


RK told him... I see.

You still don't get it? Of course RK told him it was him. Why do you think Kubica was there, hired a photographer, and placed this video on youtube (few days before the F1 race)? To make naive and dumb people believe that his hand is ok. So what would be the answer if someone asks him a stupid question like "was it you driving this car?".


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 17:23

And the saga continues... We have a private rally test, a hired photographer, a film team, and still the Kubica camp manages to fabricate a mystery out of the simple question if he was the driver in the video or not... :rolleyes:

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 17:31

RK told him... I see.

You still don't get it? Of course RK told him it was him. Why do you think Kubica was there, hired a photographer, and placed this video on youtube (few days before the F1 race)?


Thats why he gives all these interviews before every GP. Oh wait...

To make naive and dumb people believe that his hand is ok. So what would be the answer if someone asks him a stupid question like "was it you driving this car?".


Yeah. Im sure all those naive dumb people from FIA will renew his license based on few pictures of him in Skoda Fabia and naive Montezemolo will give him Ferrari seat on the base of youtube video. If you belive that Kubica could come out with such ridiculous plan than you gonna need new dealer, because the stuff that current one sells you is seriously hurting your brain.



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Posted 13 April 2012 - 17:35

And the saga continues... We have a private rally test, a hired photographer, a film team, and still the Kubica camp manages to fabricate a mystery out of the simple question if he was the driver in the video or not... :rolleyes:



Yeap. Because Kubica's word to italian journo isnt enough. He has to make a deposition in front of Supreme Court. Sworn on Holy Bible and connected to lie detector.

BTW. Photographer wasnt hired by RK camp. Why is this idiocy being repeated?

Edited by Walsingham, 13 April 2012 - 17:42.


#1090 iotar

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 18:44

So it was Kubica in the Clio? I knew it.

#1091 MadYarpen

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 19:37

Boselli admited he was mistaken and it was Robert driving in the video:
http://agnieszkakosz...st_pytanie.html

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 19:46

Insane.

#1093 Walsingham

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 20:13

It is quite simple actually. All these tests we hear about are his private trainings. He doesnt want to make them public, just like he doesnt want to show his rehabilitation, if he wanted he could achive it easily, including full control over the message.

These tests are not made public because they are not relevant to his F1/rally career yet, they are just trainings, like running or bicycling. Rally tests, pictures or videos will not convince anybody important that he is ready for racing in f1. Only proper test in open wheeler/f1 car could do that. Before that I doubt RK will be seriously considered for F1 seat by any team. Kubica knows that, Morelli knows that and that is why they are not making noise about these rally tests, just like they dont make noise about what Kubica does in the gym. At this stage bunch of journos on the track would be a distraction only, just like if they were in RK's gym.

These tests are imho part of preparation for proper open wheeler car test that was supposed to be taken in june. You can read anything from that but the very fact that RK has not tested open wheelers yet is imho a sign that he is not ready yet for that.

And last but not least. Because there are no journos on site and info is spread online by amatours there will be a lot of contradictions and uncertainity which of course opens doors for nit pickers and trolls but thats the way it will be for some time.



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Posted 13 April 2012 - 21:01

lol, this thread is just a copy of the first. no concrete info as usual, and the typical response to any question of the legitimacy of the info that is third hand at best.
basically, until there is a report in autosport or some f1 centric global respected news supplier, I say this is nothing more than RK enjoying his retirement. good on him.

Edited by paulogman, 13 April 2012 - 21:05.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:55

Posted Image

:eek:

and such precision :up:

Some more gossips and "news" on other sites, which are quite interesting:
Axis of Oversteer

"The comeback continues with our sources telling Axis that Robert has also been logging a lot of GP2 simulator time and handily beating current drivers times. An F1 test in 2012 is still in the cards though it is possible Kubica might return to WRC rather than single seaters. Well, a little rally car seems to have done Kimi a lot of good."

Crancandpiston
"The grapevine hints that a GP2 test is on the agenda soon."


Only a matter of time.

I didn't see this back when you guys first posted, so imagine when a time-waste while waiting on the g/f search turned up the video for me today. Kickin' cool! Keep it up RK!!! :up: :D

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 18:42

Someone asked Martin Brundle on Twitter about Kubica's status and whether he could replace Massa: https://twitter.com/#!/MBrundleF1/statu...753457906647040

MBrundleF1
@Runmorgzrun Haven't seen or heard anything from Robert Kubica sad to say. Will be interesting to see if he's in Monaco paddock at any point
2:32 PM - 16 May 12

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:23

I highly doubt he will show up in Monaco.

#1098 metz

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 19:41

I highly doubt he will show up in Monaco.


He lives there.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 20:35

Kubica talked on the phone with autosport on friday. He was in very good spirits.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 20:40

Kubica talked on the phone with autosport on friday. He was in very good spirits.

Really?

Seriously RK should be the 7th champion on the grid, missing link of 2012 grid.