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#2651 majkel

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:20

Don't get me wrong, i'm a huge Kubica fan, have been since karting but he has quite a large car advantage over Loix.
Freddy is definitely a class act though
The 307 was an utter failure as a rally car, nowhere near as quick at Robert's C4's predecessor, the Xsara.
I'd say theres a minimum 1 second per km difference in the cars.
Probably nearer 2 sec/km

It does seem though like he's faster than Latvala in Fiesta WRC and Comte in C4 WRC last year. Am I right?

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#2652 DrProzac

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:25

Now I think we have the right to get excited about his performance

:clap:
Robert has a large car adantage, Loix has a big experiance advantage. It looks like that in similar cars they would probably be well matched. Which is something we can get excited about (especially that we can expect Robert to improve with every stage of experiance and every step forward in rehabilitation) :p

I also read somewhere that Loix has a house nearby. I don't know if he lives there, though.

Edited by DrProzac, 23 November 2012 - 17:26.


#2653 MaGiK

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:27

Don't get me wrong, i'm a huge Kubica fan, have been since karting but he has quite a large car advantage over Loix.
Freddy is definitely a class act though
The 307 was an utter failure as a rally car, nowhere near as quick at Robert's C4's predecessor, the Xsara.
I'd say theres a minimum 1 second per km difference in the cars.
Probably nearer 2 sec/km

We are aware that Robert has car advantage.
But his times were better about 1-2 seconds per km, which is more less that car advantage :)
Noone is trying to say that Robert is better driver tha Loix really.
But if inexperienced Robert with non functional hand can be close to such a driver as Freddy, it shows his talent and that he actually might be competetive in ERC/WRC series in future :)
With time Robert should become faster.


#2654 skywing

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:51

It does seem though like he's faster than Latvala in Fiesta WRC and Comte in C4 WRC last year. Am I right?

Faster than Comte yes but it's pointless to compare pre-2011 cars to these new cars. But damn hes been on fire today. :cool: :up:

#2655 majkel

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:59

Faster than Comte yes but it's pointless to compare pre-2011 cars to these new cars. But damn hes been on fire today. :cool: :up:

What do you mean? Isn't Comte's C4 wrc from last year more or less the same as Kubica's?

#2656 skywing

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:01

What do you mean? Isn't Comte's C4 wrc from last year more or less the same as Kubica's?

Comtes car is the same yes, but Latvalas Fiesta is completely different, has different sized engine etc.

#2657 Zava

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:06

according to sources present at rally como, Robert will be driving a private DS3 in WRC next year, his boss will be Benoit Nogier.
announcement probably in the coming weeks, as it is said he wants to enter the Monte.

Edited by Zava, 23 November 2012 - 18:08.


#2658 skywing

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:08

according to sources present at rally como, Robert will be driving a private DS3 in WRC next year, his boss will be Benoit Nogier.

That would be absolutely great, to see him back at world championship level. :up:

#2659 Muppetmad

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:08

according to sources present at rally como, Robert will be driving a private DS3 in WRC next year, his boss will be Benoit Nogier.


If true, that's excellent news :up:

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#2660 ArnageWRC

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:13

Impressive performance so far, can he keep it going?

As for next year, if I was managing him, I'd advise him to do the Monte, then the ERC in a RRC/S2000 car, to build up the experience at a level below the WRC. But, I wish him well whatever he does.

#2661 noikeee

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:15

according to sources present at rally como, Robert will be driving a private DS3 in WRC next year, his boss will be Benoit Nogier.
announcement probably in the coming weeks, as it is said he wants to enter the Monte.


That would be brilliant, hope it happens. :up:

#2662 MaGiK

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:33

3 days ago Robert said that its too early for him to start in WRC.

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Are you sure?
Loix is Belgian but I guess he might live there now......
Kubica lives in nearby Monaco.

From Freddys official site (google translation):
"The Rallye du Var I've only once driven in 2009. And then we had after 2 tests already specified by a technical problem. Yet, I live course for many years in Plan de la Tour. This is my home rally. Certain roads I use almost daily and I often train with the bike in the region. Because it's my home, I would of course like to win in Ste Maxime to the season in beauty to conclude with the title of vice-champion of France. "

Edited by MaGiK, 23 November 2012 - 18:49.


#2663 DrProzac

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 19:17

Interesting rumors. Maybe he would do tarmac rounds only and he meant that it's too early (his exact words were a bit different) to do the whole championship?

#2664 cravenciak

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 19:39

Start in Monte Carlo with competitive car is one of Robert's dreams, so I'm sure that we'll see him there in January.

#2665 sniper80

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 22:22

Grosjean is not certain for 2013. Kubica might well step into the 2nd Lotus as Raikkonen's team-mate. Now that would be something!

#2666 pacificquay

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 22:26

He has said himself he can't drive single seaters.

He's doing well at rallying, but it's increasingly clear he won't drive in a Grand Prix again, sadly.

#2667 cravenciak

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 22:40

If you're quoting, please do it properly.

He has said himself he can't drive single seaters AT THE MOMENT but he want to come back "where he came from".

#2668 Zava

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 22:45

If you're quoting, please do it properly.

He has said himself he can't drive single seaters AT THE MOMENT but he want to come back "where he came from".

well, as much as I'd love to see Robert come back to f1, not being able at the moment pretty much rules him out for 2013.

#2669 cravenciak

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 23:07

2014 is the goal, not 2013... "I want to compete at highest possible level next year and then we'll see".

#2670 aray

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:44

i am still confident we will see RK in 2014 grid...if not,at least fighting at WRC for certain...

#2671 indian

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:56

Yesterday during Brazil FP1 commentary, Karun Chandhok mentioned that the injury sustained on Robert's elbow is what makes it difficult for him to race in single-seaters.

#2672 DrProzac

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:48

Another stage won, this time with a small margin. Taking it easy, or some problems?

As for the elbow, many sources already suggestad that. So it's probably true.

Stage six also won, this time with the usuall big lead.

Edited by DrProzac, 24 November 2012 - 09:52.


#2673 kosmic33

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:52

Another stage won, this time with a small margin. Taking it easy, or some problems?

As for the elbow, many sources already suggestad that. So it's probably true.

Don't know but a very impressive time from Breen!

Back to normal on next stage though so maybe wrong tyres?

#2674 Zava

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:52

32 km long stage 6 won as well, 29 seconds to 2nd fastest Loix. 2 minutes lead over 109 km

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:54

i am still confident we will see RK in 2014 grid...if not,at least fighting at WRC for certain...

Doubt he'll ever be back in f1, especially now that he's used to proper motorsport!

#2676 DrProzac

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:07

Don't know but a very impressive time from Breen!

Back to normal on next stage though so maybe wrong tyres?

I also noticed that. This may suggest that the conditions were changing or unpredictable. Wrong tires are also a quite likely possibility, or some mistake. Maybe soon we will know :)

SS7 starting soon, I think :)

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He said, among other things that the conditions on stages were a bit different than he expected (more damp) and that the stages had everything (more cutting than in the previous rallies, more dirt on the asphalt etc). He said that he is driving fast but cautiously. He also jokingly pointed out (after being asked about the results in du Var) that the "third league" Italian drivers aren't as bad as some people in Poland think" :) He acknowledged the car advantage, but said he was still a bit surprised with the gaps.
Asked if he will take it easy now (having about 90 second lead) he said that it;'s no fun to drive too slow, but he will talk with his co-driver and they will decide.

If I mixed something up, please correct me. I'm in a bit of a hurry and I summed it up from memory.

Edited by DrProzac, 24 November 2012 - 10:31.


#2677 F1Champion

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:36

He has said himself he can't drive single seaters.

He's doing well at rallying, but it's increasingly clear he won't drive in a Grand Prix again, sadly.


I fear the same, I'm holding out for 2014 because there needs to be more WDC contending drivers on the F1 grid but 2013 is going to be a big year for his recovery.

#2678 MadYarpen

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:01

Loix has gone off:-(

#2679 wolviex

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:07

Loix has gone off:-(


Frustration?  ;)

To be honest, being happy how well it goes for Kubica, I just can't understand how he can manage such a gap driving "safely and having fun". When he made 30 or 60 sec. ahead of amateurs in Italy, everybody were happy, but these are pros now and doubled his advantage. Maybe, as Kubica said in interview, Italian drivers are not as bad as some of us thought.

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#2680 Muppetmad

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:22

Loix has gone off:-(


That's a shame, it would have been nice to have seen how Loix would have done during the rest of the rally. Doesn't look like Robert will have too much competition now.

#2681 DrProzac

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:23

Robert has serious talent and driving skill. Plus car advantage (this time). Minus lack of experience.

Another stage won - 30 seconds over 16 km IIRC.

It's a big shame that Freddy went off. Shit happens, though.

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#2682 ArnageWRC

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:24

Doubt he'll ever be back in f1, especially now that he's used to proper motorsport!


Exactly!!  ;)


#2683 DrProzac

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:33

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104494

Edit:
Reports say that the stages are very dirty and slippery and that many drivers had punctures.

Another stage won.

Edited by DrProzac, 24 November 2012 - 12:04.


#2684 EightGear

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:08

When he made 30 or 60 sec. ahead of amateurs in Italy, everybody were happy, but these are pros now and doubled his advantage. Maybe, as Kubica said in interview, Italian drivers are not as bad as some of us thought.



There are no pro's competing in du Var. Loix is pretty much the only benchmark, and he is in a 5 year old car that wasn't great in it's own time.
Also Jean-Marie Cuoq, already French champion, isn't competing, nor are Stephane Sarrazin and Dany Snobeck (who usually also runs a C4 WRC).

Don't get me wrong, Kubica is still mighty impressive. I'm very curious where is will stand in a proper championship.

Edit: I wonder why all news of Kubica rallying on this site is being placed under the 'WRC' section.

Edited by EightGear, 24 November 2012 - 12:10.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:39

There are no pro's competing in du Var. Loix is pretty much the only benchmark, and he is in a 5 year old car that wasn't great in it's own time.
Also Jean-Marie Cuoq, already French champion, isn't competing, nor are Stephane Sarrazin and Dany Snobeck (who usually also runs a C4 WRC).

Hello to everybody. That's my first post.

Sarrazin and Kubica have already met themselves at du Var 2010.
Sarrazin in Peugeot 207 S2000 was just 28.9 seconds ahead of Robert in Clio S1600.
I think that's fairly reliable benchmark :kiss:

http://www.ewrc-resu...lye-du-Var-2010

Edited by sLaYeR, 24 November 2012 - 12:39.


#2686 DrProzac

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:03

The last stage this day also won by Robert :)

Edited by DrProzac, 24 November 2012 - 17:03.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:54

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#2688 wolviex

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:22

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Loeb? Branded seats? :p

#2689 cravenciak

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:02

It's Loeb's car :) He won in this C4 five rallies - Ireland 2009, Cyprus 2009, Catalunya 2009, Jordan 2010, Catalunya 2010.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:09

there is a contest by RK: the one who finds a button that was said to be added to his hand-brake lever will get a surprise prize:
https://www.facebook...9...e=1

sure as hell I can't find one ;)

#2691 Muppetmad

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:23

I'm going to suggest it's a trick question - there is no button, he was using the normal handbrake. I would post that, but that would involve messaging Eryk in English and informing him of why I'm adding him on Facebook - that might strike him as a bit weird :lol:

Edited by Muppetmad, 25 November 2012 - 07:25.


#2692 Gemini

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:45

I just read he crashed on SS11. No injuries but car is badly damaged and burning...

#2693 Muppetmad

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:46

:( Robert! You just needed to bring it home!

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:57

I just wonder...guys, do you really think that there is no one (in F1 world) who could build singlesitter just for Robert? I realize that this car would looks odd but still high level of aerodynamics could compensate this difference + RK skills.

#2695 MadYarpen

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:03

dammit :-(

#2696 InfectedPumpkin

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:03

Robert "Demolition Man" Kubica :drunk:
I feel for him.

#2697 Muppetmad

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:10

Well, at least he's proven he has excellent pace in the C4 and could challenge WRC and IRC drivers. The win would have been nice, but the experience is equally as valuable at this point.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:04

Polish TV reporter who's on the place, claims it was a pilot's mistake - wrong note. But we will know later I bet.

#2699 DrProzac

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:40

God damn it!

And thanks God that the crew is OK.

"Not only Robert's pure speed is for me a big impression - says the head of the Citroen junior team .
Benoit Nogier drew attention to the other assets of Robert Kubica.
After second day of the Rally du Var Robert Kubica has scored the same OS-like victory and leads at an incredible advantage 5 minutes and 13 seconds.
His progress closely watching the best chefs in the world rally team. - Speed is not everything. Much more impressive to me, as Kubica knows his rallies.
His knowledge on the subject is impressive. And how that information is used in practice - said Nogier. - Even more surprising to me how he can dispense rate.
Go as fast as possible can many drivers, but to control the transit time, that's something else. For example, this morning in advance Robert assumed that the first OS-ie go slowly and carefully. And so he did, and yet he won with a few advantages. And this is just a big piece - the Frenchman added.
Nogier also points out that it is not pure speed is the most important thing in racing. - Sebastien Loeb after all, was not always the fastest. Other drivers also won special stages. His strength is his pace and managed. That's how the process information and how to adapt to changing conditions"


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#2700 Muppetmad

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:52

It's great that Robert seems to be attracting the attention of both Citroen and Ford - the element of competition between the two can only benefit Robert if he wants to jump into rallying next year.