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[Mansell4PM]

After watching a recent episode of Never Mind The Buzzcocks I flicked onto the Red button debate that followed, where the question was: which is better, The Velvet Underground, or London Underground?

Couldn't help myself thinking of motor racing soundalikees.

So my question is: who's better, Jochen Mass, or Felipe Massa?

Edited by Mansell4PM, 09 December 2009 - 12:33.

[kayemod]

A late entrant for the 'Silliest thread of 2009' competition.

[David McKinney]

Be gentle, Rob
He only joined yesterday
He'll learn

[Mansell4PM]

It's meant to be the silliest thread.

In fact, it's intended to be the polar opposite of the sort of threads I've encountered elsewhere, where people endlessly debate who's the better driver based on the point they turn into the apex of a corner. How people can endlessly debate something that the driver themselves does (largely) by the seat of their pants I'll never know.

It's just a bit of fun in the off season, with a thread chosen to get people talking about vastly different eras in a jokey way.

Having said that, it does look like a VERY stupid thread, so fair point. My fault for trying to emulate Phill Jupitus I suppose.

[Mallory Dan]

A late entrant for the 'Silliest thread of 2009' competition.

Unfortunately Rob, there's plenty of competition for that lately...

[Tony Matthews]

Having said that, it does look like a VERY stupid thread, so fair point. My fault for trying to emulate Phill Jupitus I suppose.

It is very easy to be misunderstood with only a brief post, I know from experience!

[Tim Murray]

Obviously Massa is better as he's got one more 'A' than Mass.

[Rob]

There's only one way to find out......


FIGHT!

[Doug Nye]

There's only one way to find out......


FIGHT!

I wouldn't bet on the titchy Brazilian then...

DCN

[Youichi]

There's only one way to find out......


FIGHT!

http://www.googlefig...d2=Felipe Massa

Felipe Massa wins 897,00 hits vs 168,00 for Jochen Mass

[cdrewett]

Obviously Massa is better as he's got one more 'A' than Mass.

Ah but better at what? If it's about driver coaching, ocean racing,inverting historic Ferraris, amusing one liners, and generally being good company, my money is definitely on Jochen.See also Simon Taylor's "lunch with" in the current Motor Sport.
Chris

[sonar]

I wouldn't underestimate Jochen.
Yes, he's not as young as he used to be, but he's still the big bear of a man he ever was.

[Giraffe]

Who's the Master, Mass or Massa??? Does it matter, Messrs???

[Macca]

Mansell..........or Mansilla? (I used to get them mixed up when they were in F3)



Paul M

[Rob]

And famously there's Brundle and Blundell.

[john t]

Pat Moss and Stirling Moss....'Damien' Hill and Graham hill........And Senna and that make of Laxative.

[kayemod]

...and that make of Laxative.

Which is what this ill-advised thread have administered to it.

[john t]

Which is what this ill-advised thread have administered to it.

....Indeed! And i'm not helping either so i'm going to shut up now..

[Victor_RO]

In all seriousness, I'm going for Jochen because he was (at least moderately) succesful in quite a wide variety of series and in several types of cars. Oh, and he was somehow tutoring the youngsters in the Mercedes-Benz junior sportscar driver program... and we know what one of them became and how he's connected to Felipe.

[giacomo]

Gerhard Berger was slightly better than Georges Berger.

Jury is still out about Tony Brise and Tom Pryce.

[Tony Matthews]

It's meant to be the silliest thread.

Now look what you've been and gone and started!

[ghinzani]

I would venture that Massa's the better sailor, given the fact Jochen famously sunk his own boat. U-boat genes no doubt.

[Kein1275]

As myself a newcomer too, I am a bit surprised how Mansell4PM managed to ¨make¨ 24 posts ( and counting...) from a silly nonsense thread.
I am still watching and learning. Should I learn from examples like this? You ( other members) tell me!
But I wish to start a thread wich could open some useful discusion for everybody here give or get some knowledge instead of just adding posted (numbered) silly answers...
Regards to all. Kein

[cdrewett]

As myself a newcomer too, I am a bit surprised how Mansell4PM managed to ¨make¨ 24 posts ( and counting...) from a silly nonsense thread.
I am still watching and learning. Should I learn from examples like this? You ( other members) tell me!
But I wish to start a thread wich could open some useful discusion for everybody here give or get some knowledge instead of just adding posted (numbered) silly answers...
Regards to all. Kein

Go on then....no-one's stopping you
Chris

[Giraffe]

Personally, I am not in favour of "nonsense" threads having been bitten by one in the past! I do however agree with a bit of light-hearted banter from time to time, which prevents the forum from becoming a rivet counter's dirge, and only reflects what you hear at most circuits, if you've spent any time in the pits!
Don't forget that the odd "nonsense" thread has not only been contributed to, but actually been started by some of our most esteemed contributors on more than one occasion!

Edited by Giraffe, 10 December 2009 - 08:49.

[Simon Taylor]

I would venture that Massa's the better sailor, given the fact Jochen famously sunk his own boat. U-boat genes no doubt.

Not famously at all, but just wrong.

In the early 1970s Mike Hailwood, on a whim, bought a scruffy old 128-foot top-sail schooner, and promptly lost interest in it. Jochen Mass, a proper sailor since his teens, took it over and had it restored to perfection with a lot of effort, time and expenditure. He then sailed it for some 20 years, including several trans-Atlantic sorties. In the 1990s, while he was away racing, he needed it to be taken to the north German coast, and contracted a professional captain and crew to take it there. The professional wrecked it on a sandbank, and it was a total loss. Jochen was desperately saddened by the destruction of his old friend, and has photographs of the boat, in full sail and after the wreck, on the walls of his house in France. He says there's a dockside restaurant in Bremerhaven whose bar and tables are made out of wood from the wreck of his schooner.

Ghinzani's feeble U-boat genes joke does him little credit, but I doubt Jochen will lose any sleep over it. He is a remarkable character and a very nice man - see "Lunch With...." in the current issue of Motor Sport. He tells this and many other stories.....

Edited by Simon Taylor, 10 December 2009 - 09:02.

[kayemod]

Jochen famously sunk his own boat. U-boat genes no doubt.

Nein! Kapitän zur See Mass wasn't on board the boat at the time, the deed was done by an employee.

[Giraffe]

By giraffe138 at 2009-07-20

I was lucky enough to meet Jochen at this year's FOS at Goodwood, and what really impressed me about him was his sheer unbridled enthusiasm for the machinery, the people and the event. Top Herr!

Edited by Giraffe, 10 December 2009 - 09:35.

[lil'chris]

Back on topic, I would venture that Ronnie was better than Reine and Rene ( Arnoux & Dreyfus )

[Giraffe]

Back on topic, I would venture that Ronnie was better than Reine and Rene ( Arnoux & Dreyfus )

Arnoux was Rene and Reine was Wisell....

[Kingsleyrob]

It might be a silly thread but the big guns are firing!!

Jeff Jordan or Eddie Jordan?

Aron or Amon?

Jean-Pierre Sarti or Jean-Paul Sartre??

Rob

PS Oh Lord, I have just noticed I am two posts away from my 1,000th. Taken me over three years, it only took Giraffe about three weeks!!

Edited by Kingsleyrob, 10 December 2009 - 10:40.

[Giraffe]

Hill.....Phil, Graham, Damon, Mick, Bernard, Harry, or Henman's???

[Giraffe]

Oh Lord, I have just noticed I am two posts away from my 1,000th. Taken me over three years, it only took Giraffe about three weeks!!

Shades of the tortoise and the hare, Rob?!?!

[lil'chris]

Hill.....Phil, Graham, Damon, Mick, Bernard, Harry, or Henman's???

or Clay or Druids etc

[kayemod]

PS Oh Lord, I have just noticed I am two posts away from my 1,000th. Taken me over three years, it only took Giraffe about three weeks!!

...but feel the width.

[Paul Hurdsfield]

It's the rumble in the jungle with Massa the Basher versus Herman the German

Ok I'll get my coat

Maybe I should've said Hits in the Pits

Edited by Paul Hurdsfield, 10 December 2009 - 12:14.

[kayemod]

It's the rumble in the jungle with Massa the Basher versus Herman the German

Ok I'll get my coat

I think you can put your coat back on, 'Herman the German' was exactly what Jochen was known as at McLaren when he was partnering Emerson in 1975, but maybe you knew that.

[Paul Hurdsfield]

Yes I knew that, if I dig deep enough I may even be able to find a 35mm slide of him in action.

[slowpoke]

Ernie Irvan, better at running circles. Eddie Irvine, better with the booze and chicks.
or was is Eddie Irvan and Ernie Irvine....



George

[Mansell4PM]

I think, on balance, this thread WAS a mistake. Some have had a bit of fun with it though.

I would suggest though that speculating who's going to have the quickest F1 car next year is equally silly before testing starts. After all, who would have predicted this time last year that Brawn (nee Honda) would end up with both 2009 championships? I know the rules shook things up, but .......

This thread isn't something I would have started during the F1 season (when there are things worth discussing), just something to fill people's time in the off-season. It was deliberately chosen as well to run and run, as they never (to my knowledge at least) raced each other, so how can their be a right answer to this? The magazine has occasionally run some 'unusual' articles during past winters, after all.

If a moderator is reading this and you want to close it down, feel free.

Or does anyone have anything amusing to add yet?

[Rob]

Ernie Irvan, better at running circles. Eddie Irvine, better with the booze and chicks.
or was is Eddie Irvan and Ernie Irvine....

Kenny Irwin and Ernie Irvan used to confuse me.

[Giraffe]

Hillclimber Tony Marsh and commentator Anthony Marsh got me somewhat confused for several years....

[kayemod]

Hillclimber Tony Marsh and commentator Anthony Marsh got me somewhat confused for several years....

Pay attention Tony, you've completely missed the 'point' of this thread, which one of those two was 'better'?

[Tony Matthews]

Pay attention Tony, you've completely missed the 'point' of this thread, which one of those two was 'better'?

How does he know which one is better untill he knows which one is which? Give 'im a break...

[Giraffe]

Pay attention Tony, you've completely missed the 'point' of this thread, which one of those two was 'better'?

The better one is the one who's still alive, I would suggest. However I've a horrible feeling neither of then is better on that score.

[kayemod]

How does he know which one is better untill he knows which one is which? Give 'im a break...

I get the distinct impression that a few people, naming no names of course, aren't treating this thought provoking thread with the seriousness it deserves.

[Richard Jenkins]

Hill.....Phil, Graham, Damon, Mick, Bernard, Harry, or Henman's???

or Derek, Herb, Jay, Jim & James, all of motor racing "fame".....

[kayemod]

The better one is the one who's still alive, I would suggest. However I've a horrible feeling neither of then is better on that score.

Not necessarily. Without wishing to be disrespectful in any way, one of those two might be considerably 'better' at pushing up daisies.

[D-Type]

A late entrant for the 'Silliest thread of 2009' competition.

I'm glad that our revered and esteemed moderator has renamed this thread appropriately


Edit: To explain, he's added the words "Daft Debate" but it doesn't show on the front page - just in the heading within the thread

Edited by D-Type, 11 December 2009 - 23:47.

[Giraffe]

The better one is the one who's still alive, I would suggest. However I've a horrible feeling neither of then is better on that score.

On conducting a search of the forum, I have discovered that:

a) Neither Marsh is still alive.

2) I was far from the only TNFer to confuse these two fine gentleman.

I don't feel quite so stupid with that knowledge.