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#1 milanboy3

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 04:51

During his period with Ferrari, Schumi was the face of the brand's F1 revival, inspiring a new generation of fans to support the Prancing Horse.

While traditionally at Ferrari, the marque is bigger than the driver, to say Schumacher was revered is an understatement, and I dare say, many fans would associate themselves more so with Schumi than Ferrari.

Therefore, this raises the question, will some Ferrari fans jump aboard the Stuttgart/Brackley express?

Edited by milanboy3, 23 December 2009 - 04:51.


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#2 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 05:26

Therefore, this raises the question, will some Ferrari fans jump aboard the Stuttgart/Brackley express?

Fans of Schumacher will no doubt follow him to Mercedes. The tifosi are unique in that they support Ferrari regardless of who drives for them. If they take issue with Schumacher going elsewhere, they're just going to have to accept it. Schumacher doesn't owe them anything, and it's not like he sold his soul to Ferrari.

#3 dgsg

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 05:29

Bags packed and ready to go.

#4 Simon Says

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 05:34

During his period with Ferrari, Schumi was the face of the brand's F1 revival, inspiring a new generation of fans to support the Prancing Horse.

While traditionally at Ferrari, the marque is bigger than the driver, to say Schumacher was revered is an understatement, and I dare say, many fans would associate themselves more so with Schumi than Ferrari.

Therefore, this raises the question, will some Ferrari fans jump aboard the Stuttgart/Brackley express?


Hahah, what? Ferrari was very big before MS and they will continue to do so. Those fans who will switch over to Mercedes are not Ferrari fans but MS fans.

#5 milanboy3

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:06

Hahah, what? Ferrari was very big before MS and they will continue to do so.


I know, hence the reference to him leading the brand's "revival", implying they were once great. The support has always existed, but for those with a memory, we recognise the performances haven't always matched the enthusiasm.

Have you forgot the infamous 21 year drought, or the trucks they wheeled out from 1991 to 1996, and intermittently during the 80s.

Edited by milanboy3, 23 December 2009 - 07:15.


#6 Galko877

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:26

They will have Alonsofi instead but I think they won't be enough to replace the many Schufosi and Kimifosi. IMO Ferrari will lose some popularity now compared to the previous seasons when they had the two most popular drivers.

#7 vipul_singh

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:38

I know i supported the Todt-Brawn-Schumacher combine rather than Ferrari per se. Now with two of them (esp Michael) at Mercedes, I am defecting to Mercedes.

For me, the brand (Ferrari) is secondary compared to the people who were behind it...

Edit (...espcially with LdM in charge of Ferrari :) )

Edited by vipul_singh, 23 December 2009 - 07:39.


#8 Ruf

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:03

What's wrong with supporting both Ferrari and Schumacher? Three drivers to cheer for! :clap:

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:12

im already starting to wonder how much money its gonna cost me for the new MS-MERCEDES cap,t-shirts,banners etc ...


nope, ms could be driving the campos f1 for all i care, it was always him i supporeted never the team he drove for

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:17

I followed MS to Ferrari, I'll follow him to Merc.

#11 Gareth

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:26

I followed MS to Ferrari, I'll follow him to Merc.

Easy for those of you who haven't found another driver to follow since he left.

For those Schumacher fans who support drivers over teams and have started following another current driver, what do we do? If Hamilton and Schumacher go in to the final race level on points and 11/26 points clear of the opposition, who do I support? Actually, not much of a dilema: I think I just have a party safe in the knowledge I can't really lose :lol:

#12 LoudHoward

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:27

I followed him to Ferrari, I followed him to bingo, and I'll follow him to Merc. That said, I'm now (since '96) a Ferrari fan, and I'll be hoping they do well - I imagine most "Schumi fans" will as well...

Between Webbo, Schumi and Alonso, I've got some good aggressive, reasonably similar on track attitudinal drivers to follow, can't bloody wait!

#13 carbonfibre

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:29

Supporting both of them, always loved Ferrari so when Michael came there it was the best possible combination.

But will also be supporting Michael everywhere he goes.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:30

Easy for those of you who haven't found another driver to follow since he left.

For those Schumacher fans who support drivers over teams and have started following another current driver, what do we do? If Hamilton and Schumacher go in to the final race level on points and 11/26 points clear of the opposition, who do I support? Actually, not much of a dilema: I think I just have a party safe in the knowledge I can't really lose :lol:

Well, it might get tricky if MS & SV are head to head: I know I'll want a 1 - 2, just not sure in which order :drunk: :lol:

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:30

I have a particular dislike for Mercedes due to its uninspiring (in my opinion) roadcars and association with McLaren.

I like Ferrari, but no doubt it was Schumacher who made me like Ferrari even more. Plus ever since Brawn left, Ferrari have usually looked like clowns in diffucult situations.

I don't really like Alonso, especially after his 2007 year with McLaren.

I hope both Ferrari and MSC do well, but I'd prefer MSC to do better (can't believe I'm saying this!). The only real difficult scenario would be Schumacher vs. Massa, who I really like as well. But I think I'd still go with MSC, the only person in F1 who has made me cry.

Edited by Umpire, 23 December 2009 - 08:31.


#16 as65p

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:36

Easy for those of you who haven't found another driver to follow since he left.

For those Schumacher fans who support drivers over teams and have started following another current driver, what do we do? If Hamilton and Schumacher go in to the final race level on points and 11/26 points clear of the opposition, who do I support? Actually, not much of a dilema: I think I just have a party safe in the knowledge I can't really lose :lol:


I don't expect much of a dilemma, it shouldn't be a problem to support a frontrunner and a midfielder at the same time.


:smoking:  ;)


#17 Jordana

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:45

I am tifosa since I was little and I will be tifosa all my life but at the same time, I have my beliefs and my own criteria. So if, at this moment, I don't agree with how Montezemolo & Domenicali are managing the team, I feel 100% free not to support Ferrari. I could not support them "per se"... :cool:

About Schumacher in Mercedes, I am very, very happy about it. For me, it's a gift to see him on the track again. I missed him terribly and now that Kimi made to move to the WRC, Schumi is more welcome than ever. :love:

What a 2010 season for me! German power in F1: Schumi, Seb & Nico and Finn power in WRC: Kimi. I could not ask for more. :clap:


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:47

I don't expect much of a dilemma, it shouldn't be a problem to support a frontrunner and a midfielder at the same time.


:smoking:  ;)

What do you mean by saying the midfield will include Schuma ... err ... Hamil ... err ...Schum ... err ...

:mad: Grrrrrr *me shakes fist at genius post that is impossible to reply to* :mad:

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#19 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:51

Schumacher fan before being Ferrari fan.
I will like him to win, but Ferrari will remain special for me. MS will not race forever so Ferrari will become no1 again

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#20 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:02

Supporting both of them, always loved Ferrari so when Michael came there it was the best possible combination.

But will also be supporting Michael everywhere he goes.


That is really me as well.

I follow drivers before I follow a team.

My favorite drivers change teams, and I root for them regardless of which team they drive for, and I do it before I root for Ferrari.

My favorite team IS Ferrari, so having Michael Schumacher being a Ferrari F1 racer was great.

Since Michael Schumacher retired I have thrown my support after Nico, for the real scientific reason that he is the son of my alltime favorite Keke :-)

Mercedes will have my drivers, so 2010 is going to be fun. In the event that Mercedes are not winning every single race, I hope that Ferrari will win the balance.

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#21 rjk

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:02

Well, Ferrari first and foremost always. But will support Schumi also especially in battles with Lewis :smoking:

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:12

Been a fan of Schumacher the driver and Ferrari the team,as I've cheered for Ferrari from the pre-MS days. However,now that Alonso's at Ferrari,I don't give a rat's ass how the 'new' Ferrari perform-will only cheer for Felipe.

And Michael and Mercedes- :clap:

#23 roadie

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:34

Another way of looking at it, is that Mercedes are now the team to hate...

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:36

Another way of looking at it, is that Mercedes are now the team to hate...


That is true as well, except for those who look as 'The Dark Empire' as the devil incarnate.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:41

Been a fan of Schumacher the driver and Ferrari the team,as I've cheered for Ferrari from the pre-MS days. However,now that Alonso's at Ferrari,I don't give a rat's ass how the 'new' Ferrari perform-will only cheer for Felipe.

And Michael and Mercedes- :clap:


He-he, I remember you trying to teach me what it means to be a tifoso... I'm pretty certain it doesn't mean that ^ :p

#26 undersquare

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:47

Well I saw the dream team as a hijack of Ferrari anyway. They came, used the money and resources and Max, then went. The bits that are still there are what I think of as "Ferrari".

#27 WebBerK

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:48

Tifosi:
- Schufosi traitors.

Schufosi:
- Tifosi cornuto.

#28 DXB

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:51

Im just a Schumacher fan. I did enjoy the ferrari years though. You do get sucked in by the tifosi.

#29 Claudius

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:52

...
For those Schumacher fans who support drivers over teams and have started following another current driver, what do we do? If Hamilton and Schumacher go in to the final race level on points and 11/26 points clear of the opposition, who do I support? Actually, not much of a dilema: I think I just have a party safe in the knowledge I can't really lose :lol:


That's my dilemma as well. But I've decided that if the above scenario happens next season, I will support MS. Lewis has all the time in the world to get more results.
But if MS sticks around longer, I think Lewis will get my support.

Never thought I'll have "problems" like these...
:confused: :drunk: :mad:


Having said that, I still want Ferrari to do well. All those years supporting MS/Ferrari combo has left some loyalty for the prancing horse.

Edited by Claudius, 23 December 2009 - 09:58.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:53

Therefore, this raises the question, will some Ferrari fans jump aboard the Stuttgart/Brackley express?

Nope. Even as a Ferrari fan, I was quite disgusted with some of Schumacher's antics and even though I could respect his ability, it was hard to respect him as a sportsman.

And while I'm usually not one big into rivalries, I've gotta say that as a BMW fan, I dont see myself cheering for Mercedes at any point(not that I dislike them or anything).

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:57

There shouldn't be any dilemma: tifosi by definition are Ferrari worshippers, and they will continue to be so. Schumacher fans (there are a couple around) will cheer for 'their' driver as usual. And the fairweather cheerleaders will cheer for whichever driver+team displays dominance: earlier it was Schumacher+Ferrari, now it could be Schumacher+Mercedes. Makes no difference to them.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:03

No dilemma here, I feel rather spoiled.

Teams Ferrari, Sauber

Drivers MS, Massa, Vettel, Koba

The only thing that doesn't fit in for me is Mercedes.

But frankly, I rather see MS win in a Mercedes than Button.



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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:26

Ferrari, now and forever....

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:42

Shouldn't be too much of a dilemma for those who want to follow success. With the dream team of Schumacher, Brawn and Todt reunited, there are bound to be plenty of winning opportunities.






(Please don't tell me I NEED to add a smiley to that!)

#35 kar

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:46

Schufosi here, but a conflicted one.

I will support Ferrari I think in the constructors and Michael for the drivers title.

I hate to think what will happen though if it ends up a Michael v Alonso v Felipe battle for the drivers.

I just hope Michael blows them all out of the water so it's academic and next year we can all go back to normal :-)

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:50

Yeah its a big dilemma - too big really. Think you all should therefore support McLaren Hami/Button instead :rotfl:

Edited by MinT, 23 December 2009 - 10:51.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:54

What's wrong with supporting both Ferrari and Schumacher? Three drivers to cheer for! :clap:

:up: Happy dilemma

#38 Rob

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:57

Never was a Schumacher fan originally. I fear that I may have turned to the dark side!

#39 Speed_Racer

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:02

schumacher forever ..

forza mercedes :-)

the hell with LdM

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:04

schumacher forever ..

forza mercedes :-)

the hell with LdM

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win at monza gonna be priceless. cant wait to this.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:18

There shouldn't be any dilemma: tifosi by definition are Ferrari worshippers, and they will continue to be so. Schumacher fans (there are a couple around) will cheer for 'their' driver as usual. And the fairweather cheerleaders will cheer for whichever driver+team displays dominance: earlier it was Schumacher+Ferrari, now it could be Schumacher+Mercedes. Makes no difference to them.


This.

Tifoso for life. Schumi will always be revered for what he did for us, but as with Ross going to Honda, we bid him farewell and wish him the best of luck. I am a huge Schumacher fan for he is the best there is, but I hope he gets beaten by whomever is driving the red cars.

As above, if you switch, you were never part of the Tifosi to begin with....

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:25

I think that's a point, most schumacher fans were indeed never part of the tifosi to begin with.

But when he left the sport they had more affinity for Ferrari (owing to the decade he spent there) than any other team.

This coming season I'll support Michael in a Mercedes and hope Ferrari win the constructors. If it comes down to Alonso v Michael, I'll be supporting Michael.

But in 2011, I'll be back to supporting Ferrari and its drivers. Only one thing really transcends my support for Ferrari, and that is my support for Michael.

Edited by kar, 23 December 2009 - 11:26.


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:35

No dilemma for me. I was a ferrari fan long before Schumacher came on the scene. I'm a huge fan of Schumi and will continue to be, but will definitely not be supporting Mercedes in anything other than DTM.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:36

I think that's a point, most schumacher fans were indeed never part of the tifosi to begin with.

But when he left the sport they had more affinity for Ferrari (owing to the decade he spent there) than any other team.

This coming season I'll support Michael in a Mercedes and hope Ferrari win the constructors. If it comes down to Alonso v Michael, I'll be supporting Michael.

But in 2011, I'll be back to supporting Ferrari and its drivers. Only one thing really transcends my support for Ferrari, and that is my support for Michael.


Except it's a 3 year deal ;)

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:44

Do the Tifosi who hate MS now that he has left and gone to a rival also hate people like Ross Brawn and Rubens Barrichello? Just interested to know the dynamics of the view?

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:46

Except it's a 3 year deal ;)


Having been defeated in 2010, he'll stop his humiliating comeback attempt, and revert to his prat perch, dressed in gray rather than red.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:49

It's a happy dilemma, one more driver to support so cheering for Alonso, Massa, Schumacher and to a lesser extent Vettel and Hulkenberg, 2010 is gonna be great. :up:

Team wise of course supporting Ferrari, but also Mercedes has newfound respect now that they've dumped McLaren, a bit of a soft spot for Red Bull and Williams.



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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:50

Except it's a 3 year deal ;)


I think it's a 1+2 deal. I think (hope) one season will be enough for Michael.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:52

Do the Tifosi who hate MS now that he has left and gone to a rival also hate people like Ross Brawn and Rubens Barrichello? Just interested to know the dynamics of the view?


That's the thing though, I don't know of any Tifosi who "hate" either of them.

Would I have liked Ross to come back to Ferrari? Would I have liked MS to race for Ferrari again? Hell yes.

However the fact that they didn't/aren't doesn't immediately make them "traitors". They've more than earned the respect (at least) of Ferrari fans for what they did to get Ferrari back on top after so long. Neither left in bad circumstances, and personally I wish them the best of luck. I hope they lose, and that Ferrari win, but I'd much rather lose to Ross and Michael than anyone else

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 12:02

Here in Italy, looking at the thoughts of the tifosi via forums, the situation is preatty strange. Some will support him because they don't like too much the current drivers, some just can't support anyone but ferrari, some will back both... no unilateral feeling. But most think he'll be able to fight for the title.