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#1 pingu666

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 00:28

No one has made a thread yet, unless ive missed it :x

starts on the 1st of jan, and runs till the 15th

http://www.dakar.com/

special stages are 4800km in total, and with liasons etc it goes upto 9000km

a f1 season is around 6000km if i got my maths right, for comparison :)

So who will you be routing for, and where to watch/get coverage :)?

A semi preview will be the top gear special in boliva on sunday the 27th, will give a taste of whats probably the toughest race in the world :o


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#2 pingu666

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 00:51





couple of beautiful video's :)

#3 beanoid

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 04:51

Yippeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Thanks for reminding me!

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 06:33

Love the Dakar, but no Mitsubishis this year after the fiasco with the racing Lancers last year ):

#5 pingu666

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 09:24

not quite true, i think theres no works mitsu's but there are privateer ones

#6 pinnacle racing

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 09:44

I just learned about the Dakar rally last year and I'm looking to forward to next year's race.

Dumb question time. What kind of cargo do the trucks racing in the rally carry? I suppose those trucks are purely for competition and not for logistics?

#7 pingu666

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 12:00

it depends on the trucks, i think VW may have entered race trucks last year as backup for there toerags :o (carrying spares etc)

not a truck but quite interesting http://dakartruck.com/

the dedicated support trucks carry a ton of spares and tools :)

#8 pingu666

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 12:10

Some Dakar Rally TATRA truck specs.
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:52
Troop-a-dour

Engine: V12- 19 litre- 2 turbos- 2300Nms torque
Transmission: 14 speed
Tyres: Michelin 14.00/20
Width: 2500mm
Height: 3220mm
Weight: 10500kg
Max. Speed: 155 km/h
Fuel consumption: 80-120l/100km

#9 pingu666

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 12:36

bikes are aprently limited to 450cc this year :(

http://image.trucktr...k_rear_view.jpg

version 1 hummer http://www.allcarwal...4292/1600x1200/

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 15:14

Less than a week to go!!! I'm happy to see Nasser Al Attiyah in VW's camp together with "more relaxed" Giniel de Villiers (last year's winner) and Carlos Sainz.

Five private Mitsubishi's going to start the race. Lancer's going to use gas engine instead of a diesel one because of costs.

#11 philhitchings

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 15:55

Woo Hoo!! the Dakar's back

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 16:56

I still miss Jutte Kleinschmidt,

is Schlesser racing this year?

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 17:22

For me The Dakar isn't the Dakar unless it finishes at Dakar (or at least somewhere else in Africa). So I give this one a miss again this year.

is Schlesser racing this year?

Schlesser is racing at the Africa (Eco) Race starting on the 27. Dec.

Edited by Spa95, 26 December 2009 - 17:23.


#14 pingu666

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 18:27

you should follow it, last year it was a epic adventure, and extremely tough.

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 18:39

http://www.africarace.com/

so the africa race looks alot like the dakar of old. what im puzzled by is why its put on at the same time as the dakar in south america, just seems silly to me :\

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 18:58

For me The Dakar isn't the Dakar unless it finishes at Dakar (or at least somewhere else in Africa). So I give this one a miss again this year.


Schlesser is racing at the Africa (Eco) Race starting on the 27. Dec.


I'd give it a go last year's was brill!


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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:09

http://www.africarace.com/

so the africa race looks alot like the dakar of old. what im puzzled by is why its put on at the same time as the dakar in south america, just seems silly to me :\


clicked on the site and noticed it was sanctioned by FIA...not sure what the fim stands for (not Berny's company wouldn't think) :confused:

Dakar in years past was great...too bad about terrorists with their 'statements', mayhem, and idiocy. :mad:

Missed the S. American replacement last year....will check out the progress of both this year if time permits :D


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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:15



Subaru is entering with a works team. The car has been developed in Argentina by long-time Subaru-linked Barattero Competici├│n. The driver will be former P-WRC champion Gabriel Pozzo and Japanese Yoshiu Ikemachi

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:27

clicked on the site and noticed it was sanctioned by FIA...not sure what the fim stands for (not Berny's company wouldn't think) :confused:


FIM


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Posted 26 December 2009 - 20:44

Somehow Robby Gordon and Hummer fits together: :smoking:

Last year he finished third overall. Going to be interesting to see how this... erhm next year's race goes for him.  ;)

#21 VoidNT

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 21:01

Love this time of the year. Christmas. The New Year. The Dakar. :clap:

Robbie Gordon and Hummer is a cool pair. They have experience now, it's time for a big push and make the opponents really scared. :smoking:
Also rooting for Sainz and Al-Attiyah.
And of course for all of the Russians.

#22 pingu666

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 22:11

http://www.youtube.c...feature=channel is a good video, bad music for the vid tho :x



#23 William Hunt

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 02:36

Ex-Moto GP driver J├╝rgen van den Goorbergh (from the Netherlands) entered in the cars section with a McRae. Interesting.
Tim Coronel (brother of Tom Coronel) is also driving a McRae.

Edited by William Hunt, 27 December 2009 - 02:40.


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Posted 27 December 2009 - 06:20

anyone else a fan of the little Hino trucks

#25 JdB

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 10:33

DAKAR !!! :clap:
Well, actually, it's not. Last year didn't seem like the real Dakar to me, but i'm sure everyone agrees that it's risky enough, without terrorists looking for the participants.
I myself have been following the Dakar for years, since the Tijstermans did so well, and ofcourse, Jan de Rooij TurboTwin !!! The sight of that truck overtaking a rallycar is just awesome !! Overtaking the Renault (sorry th elink is in Dutch
It's a shame they limited the trucks, because the 1200 hp DAF Truck was amazing !!
Eventhough South America just isn't Africa, i'll be watching it nonetheless. Let's just hope everyone gets back home alive this year.

gr.Jeroen

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 17:40


Dakar is always a thrill, no matter how, no matter where.

#27 philhitchings

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 19:36

JdB thanks for an awesome clip. Talk about total domination :eek: that man and that truck were amazing!

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 19:43

They should include Monster Trucks as a new class, well it worked well in Motorstorm: Pacific Rift. It would instantly become the most watched motorsporting event ever, theoretically.

I don't know enough details to root for specific teams. I didn't follow the South American one last year, but I heard some bad shit went down...



#29 pingu666

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 21:20

monster trucks are horribly unreliable, and just too big probably.... Im routing for robby gordon and al ahtire the most

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 21:23

Anyone know UK TV coverage info for both races?

#31 Rob

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 22:48

They really ought to stop calling it the Dakar.

#32 pingu666

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 23:06

eurosport
im hoping it gets put on newsgroups/file hosts or torrents. o2 (my isp) cap's torrents at 5k/sec :|

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 04:56

Dakar isnt the same thing anymore, its like what F1 would be without FOTA teams. The brand its still right but the product is not quite the same. And guys being split up between Dakar and Africa Race doesnt help. I think i'll pass it this year.

#34 pingu666

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 11:05

poor mans preview, top gear's south american adventure http://www.bbc.co.uk...olivia_Special/

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 20:40

eurosport
:|


Does anyone know if Eurosport will retain the ancient 4:3 format and crappy resolution as well in 2010???

#36 pinnacle racing

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 01:11

Does anyone here have a link to a Eurosport live streaming site?

#37 pingu666

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 03:17

i think french eurosport had a stream for some sportscar race, so maybe them?

fartsubishi :o ?

non farty mistu

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 10:49

As always...

GO TURKISH TEAM! :clap:

#39 dank

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 23:31

Dakar isnt the same thing anymore, its like what F1 would be without FOTA teams. The brand its still right but the product is not quite the same. And guys being split up between Dakar and Africa Race doesnt help. I think i'll pass it this year.


But why though? Dakar's just a name. Yes purists will harp on, saying that it's not the same, that moving the rally to another continent was tantamount to deciding that the Monaco Grand Prix should be staged in Plymouth harbour, but they're missing the point a bit.

Last year's event was as good as ever and I'm looking forward to seeing how Carlos Sainz and Nasser Al-Attiyah get on in the VW Touaregs and if Marc Coma can defend his title on the KTM.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 01:15

It's just a name yes but unless there is a merger eventually Africa race will take over most likely..
The countries are poor and some vilages relied on the event happening, Dakar made a safety decision based on what happened (french civilians murdred, treaths, french government advising against) and a few people thought it was the wrong one. Now Dakar is busy doing it's 2nd year of ''away from the homebase'' and if they want to return to Africa and the real actual Dakar they will have to fight for it with this new organisation, this is the reason that Africa race is held on the same time: for the history and future clash wich will happen.

So based on what the involved governments say next time when Dakar wants to come back to Dakar it will be decided. Maybe Dakar can bribe them with a lot of money but my money is on the governments wanting to keep Africa race. Because in a difficult time they did not ''abandon'' Africa and now that some more teams switch this might accelerate that proces.

In my own opinion I think it's too bad and I dislike the people who started Africa race, because they took advantage of this situation. Dakar is run by a french company and they had no choice to make the decision they made in 2008, but Africa race and the people joining it just stepped in and took it over like it was theirs. A merger might happen but the people in Africa race disliked the Dakar organisation decision so why would they want to merge with them?

Oh well, looking forward to Dakar!

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 02:31

the scenery was beautiful and challenging, and alot of people turned out to watch... personaly i think it would be far better to have the two events at different times of the year, and maybe try and make a championship or a cup (with a few shorter rounds too)

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:01

It's just a name yes but unless there is a merger eventually Africa race will take over most likely..
The countries are poor and some vilages relied on the event happening, Dakar made a safety decision based on what happened (french civilians murdred, treaths, french government advising against) and a few people thought it was the wrong one. Now Dakar is busy doing it's 2nd year of ''away from the homebase'' and if they want to return to Africa and the real actual Dakar they will have to fight for it with this new organisation, this is the reason that Africa race is held on the same time: for the history and future clash wich will happen.

So based on what the involved governments say next time when Dakar wants to come back to Dakar it will be decided. Maybe Dakar can bribe them with a lot of money but my money is on the governments wanting to keep Africa race. Because in a difficult time they did not ''abandon'' Africa and now that some more teams switch this might accelerate that proces.

In my own opinion I think it's too bad and I dislike the people who started Africa race, because they took advantage of this situation. Dakar is run by a french company and they had no choice to make the decision they made in 2008, but Africa race and the people joining it just stepped in and took it over like it was theirs. A merger might happen but the people in Africa race disliked the Dakar organisation decision so why would they want to merge with them?

Oh well, looking forward to Dakar!


There is just no comparison between the Africa Race and the 'Dakar'.
The former is club-racing at best and the other is Formula 1.
You can not merge those two.
Should 'Dakar' return to Africa the 'Africa Race' will simply die on the spot.

The 'Dakar' is an established brand for the traditional January rally raid.
Competitors range from full-time pro's, to semi-pro's, adventurers, celebrities and other amateurs 'en masse'.

The Africa Race is completely different.
It's only Schlesser [who is no longer competitive on the big stage] and a few amateurs.

I also would like for the Dakar to 'return home', but I understand the organizers too.
There is always that unstability in that region with terrorist threats and yearly stage cancellations which made them fed up.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 16:17

Heads up: worth following commentator Toby Moody on Twitter for Dakar highlights: http://twitter.com/Tobymoody

He's posted quite a few pictures today.

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 01:47

Confused... Africa race is a reaction to the loss/transition of the Dakar. The Dakar has a certain kudos. The Africa could develop it's own kudos, but until then it is a race and not yet an event.

#45 dank

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 18:23

It's an absolute pain in the bum trying to follow this without Eurosport!

Still, Day 1 over and done with. Nani Roma has finished the first stage in front for BMW and David Casteu is in the lead on two-wheels at the moment.

Also, can recommend following Andrew Neri on Twitter: http://twitter.com/neridoesdakar Fulfilling his life-long dream of competing in the event.

#46 pingu666

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 18:32

ive been looking for torrents and such and havent found any yet :(

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 20:42

ive been looking for torrents and such and havent found any yet :(

Hmm there are plenty of torrents at the usual motorsport dedicated torrent sites, just takes some time for them to surface.

Anyway nice start to the Dakar 300.000+ spectators to see the competitors off in Buenos Aires, who's saying that motorsport isn't alive in south America?

Nani Roma doing well in the BMW and here's one to watch; Jan Lammers, ex F1 driver and Le Mans 1988 winner is making his debut in the Dakar this year in a TRUCK :eek:



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Posted 02 January 2010 - 20:47

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded :D

what motorsport dedicated torrent sites are there? i only know racing underground, unfortunately i dont have a account there anymore :(

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 21:00

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded :D

what motorsport dedicated torrent sites are there? i only know racing underground, unfortunately i dont have a account there anymore :(

LOL Robby Gordon, always good for the show but will he actually manage to win the Dakar sometime, I really doubt it.

ps you've PM pingu

Edited by JPW, 02 January 2010 - 21:01.


#50 pingu666

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 22:00

I think he might, i guess if the cars good enough, he should atleast be a contender. his talent is way better on dirt than tarmac