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#1 ZenSpeed

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:04

Well, probably the #1 is hardly unexpected, given the the poll was done by Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport. But Schumi is already losing ground in their preferences....

Valentino Rossi (motociclismo) 41.0%
Roger Federer (tennis) 14.4%
Usain Bolt (atletica leggera) 8.4%
Michael Schumacher (automobilismo) 7.1%
Italian Football Team (calcio) 6.7%
Kobe Bryant (basket) 4.7%
Michael Phelps (nuoto) 4.0%
Valentina Vezzali (scherma) 3.3%
Federica Pellegrini (nuoto) 3.3%
Lance Armstrong (ciclismo) 3.2%
Yelena Isinbayeva (atletica leggera) 2.4%
Tiger Woods (golf) 1.6%

Edited by ZenSpeed, 30 December 2009 - 09:05.


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#2 ensign14

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:11

More interesting is where Tiger Woods is. You'd think going the Berlusconi route would be popular in Italy.

Never heard of Valentina Vezzali, but wikipeding her shows she has one heck of a record. Not as good as Birgit Fischer's though. I am glad this is an Italian poll as had Becky Adlington been included as one of the top ten sporting champions of the decade it would have been derided as little Englanderesque. And she is twice as successful as Pellegrini.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:11

Well, probably the #1 is hardly unexpected, given the the poll was done by Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport. But Schumi is already losing ground in their preferences....

Valentino Rossi (motociclismo) 41.0%
Roger Federer (tennis) 14.4%
Usain Bolt (atletica leggera) 8.4%
Michael Schumacher (automobilismo) 7.1%
Italian Football Team (calcio) 6.7%
Kobe Bryant (basket) 4.7%
Michael Phelps (nuoto) 4.0%
Valentina Vezzali (scherma) 3.3%
Federica Pellegrini (nuoto) 3.3%
Lance Armstrong (ciclismo) 3.2%
Yelena Isinbayeva (atletica leggera) 2.4%
Tiger Woods (golf) 1.6%


Rossi would probably have come out on top anyway, but that's the definition of 'fickle'!

Edited by P123, 30 December 2009 - 09:12.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:16

Italians never prefered Schumacher as the best in F1

Corriere...

http://www.corriere....;idSondaggio=96

Chi è il pilota di Formula1 più grande di tutti i tempi?



Ayrton Senna 67.4%
Alain Prost 17.8%
Michael Schumacher 13.7%
Juan Manuel Fangio 1.1%

Edited by lafitek, 30 December 2009 - 09:21.


#5 teejay

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:20

Kobe Bryant's result amazes me.. didnt think he would be so high.

#6 aditya-now

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:24

Italians never prefered Schumacher as the best in F1

Corriere...

http://www.corriere....;idSondaggio=96

Chi è il pilota di Formula1 più grande di tutti i tempi?



Ayrton Senna 67.4%
Alain Prost 17.8%
Michael Schumacher 13.7%
Juan Manuel Fangio 1.1%


Wow, so Senna greatest of all time by such a huge margin! And this by Corriere della Sera, a well reputed newspaper. Italians sure know something about motorsport.

Edited by aditya-now, 30 December 2009 - 09:45.


#7 ZenSpeed

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:25

Rossi would probably have come out on top anyway, but that's the definition of 'fickle'!

Are you surprised? Some sworn Ferrari fans here on Autosport are already buying silver t-shirts, would you expect Italian Ferrari fans to follow too? Besides, Schumi was never more popular than Rossi in Italy for 3 reasons: 1) won more; 2) He is Italian; 3) He actually is a very nice, approachable dude with no arrogance

Regarding your comment on Pellegrini....you need to understand that she achieved her success recently; the last world championship was in Rome; never an Italian female swimmer has achieved these results before; she is considered very goodlooking. All this makes her extremely popular at home

Finally, Italy is a fencing powerhouse, so Vezzali is obviously very popular

#8 Simon Says

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:26

In 2009, Usain Bolt is clearly the #1. There is nobody in history that is remotely close what this guy can do :up:

Overall, 2000-2009. Federer is without a doubt #1 or #2 seeing as he has to face the greatest Gravel player of all time, Nadal and still breaking all records. :lol:



#9 Simon Says

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:32

Rossi would probably have come out on top anyway, but that's the definition of 'fickle'!


Agree, Rossi's carreer is just insane. He deserves #1, but it's a shame Moto GP style went to 250 cc bikes. It sure was funny how Rossi beat Stoner sometimes with his overpowered Ducatti :lol: ( this year wasn't so bad, but in the past the Ducati had a 30 km/h top speed advantage )



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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:33

More interesting is where Tiger Woods is. You'd think going the Berlusconi route would be popular in Italy.

Never heard of Valentina Vezzali, but wikipeding her shows she has one heck of a record. Not as good as Birgit Fischer's though. I am glad this is an Italian poll as had Becky Adlington been included as one of the top ten sporting champions of the decade it would have been derided as little Englanderesque. And she is twice as successful as Pellegrini.


I"m suprised Lance Armstrong is very low too, I'd put him a bit higher in the list imo. Tiger woods probably dropped down alot because of his cheating :lol:

Edited by Simon Says, 30 December 2009 - 09:33.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:42

He actually is a very nice, approachable dude with no arrogance



Approachable, maybe. With no arrogance? Disputable. I have always found him extremely arrogant.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:47

Agree, Rossi's carreer is just insane. He deserves #1, but it's a shame Moto GP style went to 250 cc bikes. It sure was funny how Rossi beat Stoner sometimes with his overpowered Ducatti :lol: ( this year wasn't so bad, but in the past the Ducati had a 30 km/h top speed advantage )

The Ducati and the Yamaha were very evenly matched in terms of overall performance. What the Yamaha lacked on the straight bits it more than made up for in handling. Stoners championship in 2007 was well deserved, make no mistake about that.
However, I must say Rossi has been the standout champion of this decade, having won 7 of the last 9 championships. What I love about the guy is his infectious enthusiasm for the sport he does. He truly loves his job.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:57

I"m suprised Lance Armstrong is very low too, I'd put him a bit higher in the list imo.

If we could properly believe in Armstrong, yes...

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:01

I"m suprised Lance Armstrong is very low too, I'd put him a bit higher in the list imo. Tiger woods probably dropped down alot because of his cheating :lol:


In contrast to the Americans we do not ignore that he has to be called Epo Lance as they found Epo in his 99' drug test, after the French devepolped the new test. Game over Lance

#15 aditya-now

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:05

If we could properly believe in Armstrong, yes...


If we could properly believe in Usain Bolt, as well....

Rossi is without a doubt, I would personally rank him ahead of Federer and Schumacher.
Schumacher´s decade was only a half-decade, so that is probably reflected in this poll.


#16 santori

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:13

What, no Zidane?

#17 Aloisioitaly

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:33

As far as i am concerned, Roger Federer is the best of the decade. Besides, he is considered the best tennis player ever by the best tennis players ever... Laver, Samparas, Agassi, Borg, McEnroe, and so on...

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:33

the greatest Gravel player of all time,


That's got to be a tricky surface, surely the ball flies off at all angles?

#19 scheivlak

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:48

Well, probably the #1 is hardly unexpected, given the the poll was done by Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport. But Schumi is already losing ground in their preferences....

I think Schumacher's score is remarkably high given the fact that he's the only one in that list who wasn't active the last three years.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 11:03

If we could properly believe in Usain Bolt, as well....


What's not to believe in with Bolt.... its just he's the first 6ft + guy to figure out how to make his body work for him over 100m. When the other tall guys copy his technique what he had done will seem normal.

Also he lives and trains in Jamaica ...not exactly a place known for developing hi-tech undetectable steroids.

#21 Simon Says

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:02

In contrast to the Americans we do not ignore that he has to be called Epo Lance as they found Epo in his 99' drug test, after the French devepolped the new test. Game over Lance


Except that the so called evidence the French people found in a lab was rejected as evidence, it was impossible to proof that they were from Armstrong. Why didn't they find EPO during his 7 years of domination with the new tests if he was using it? :wave:

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:15

. It sure was funny how Rossi beat Stoner sometimes with his overpowered Ducatti :lol: ( this year wasn't so bad, but in the past the Ducati had a 30 km/h top speed advantage )


So what was it then when Rossi's Honda's and previous Aprillia's blew the other bikes off for power?


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:22

Italians never prefered Schumacher as the best in F1

Corriere...

http://www.corriere....;idSondaggio=96

Chi è il pilota di Formula1 più grande di tutti i tempi?



Ayrton Senna 67.4%
Alain Prost 17.8%
Michael Schumacher 13.7%
Juan Manuel Fangio 1.1%


Find those percentages difficult to believe when you consider people such as Gilles, Ascari and Mario (Italian) and how popular they were/are. While I'm sure highly appreciated, Senna never drove a Ferrari, MS bought Ferrari back from the dead and they were pretty fond of Mansell too - somethings not right there.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:26

Agree, Rossi's carreer is just insane. He deserves #1, but it's a shame Moto GP style went to 250 cc bikes. It sure was funny how Rossi beat Stoner sometimes with his overpowered Ducatti :lol: ( this year wasn't so bad, but in the past the Ducati had a 30 km/h top speed advantage )

Stoner has been the only one able to win riding Ducati. Capirossi, Melandri, Hayden... did they achieve anything?
Look at the manufacturer championship stats in the last few years, and you will get the answer: Stoner is a hell of a driver, far superior to his team mates than Valentino himself. Sometimes Ducati looked the best bike, but it was due to Stoner impressive talent.
Taht said, i still rate Valentino higher than Casey.

Edited by Aloisioitaly, 30 December 2009 - 12:27.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:38

Find those percentages difficult to believe when you consider people such as Gilles, Ascari and Mario (Italian) and how popular they were/are. While I'm sure highly appreciated, Senna never drove a Ferrari, MS bought Ferrari back from the dead and they were pretty fond of Mansell too - somethings not right there.



Two words: Internet poll. :rolleyes:

#26 scheivlak

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:47

Two words: Internet poll. :rolleyes:

And it looks like being a very early one as well, from the years before Michael actually started winning championships for the Scuderia.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 14:15

Stoner has been the only one able to win riding Ducati. Capirossi, Melandri, Hayden... did they achieve anything?
Look at the manufacturer championship stats in the last few years, and you will get the answer: Stoner is a hell of a driver, far superior to his team mates than Valentino himself. Sometimes Ducati looked the best bike, but it was due to Stoner impressive talent.
Taht said, i still rate Valentino higher than Casey.


At Honda he didn't really impress me and Pedrosa was alot more impressive in 125 cc and in 250 cc. His style simply works on the Ducati with the electronics keeping him on the bike, while on the Honda he kept crashing.

Ducati & Stoner is just a good match. Others simply hate the bike and can't ride on it. I'm surpised Hayden has signed again for the 2010 season but he's not going to get good offers from anyone else anyway. Put Stoner on a Honda and I'll bet Pedrosa will beat him again :lol:

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 14:23

So what was it then when Rossi's Honda's and previous Aprillia's blew the other bikes off for power?


He left Honda, cause he was bored with it and Biaggi saying all the time that he was only winning because he was riding a Honda. So he switched bikes with Biaggi and he still won while others had a much better bike than him :wave:

edit: The power advantage between Ducati and Yamaha at some point was way too big. Honda was never that much faster than anyone else down the straight. It almost looked as if Yahama and Honda were standing still on the straights, they couldn't even slipstream passed the Ducati's :p

Edited by Simon Says, 30 December 2009 - 14:26.


#29 F1Johnny

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 14:43

Kobe Bryant's result amazes me.. didnt think he would be so high.


Kobe grew up in Italy for a bit and speaks Italian. That may have warmed the public to him.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 14:54

He left Honda, cause he was bored with it and Biaggi saying all the time that he was only winning because he was riding a Honda. So he switched bikes with Biaggi and he still won while others had a much better bike than him :wave:

edit: The power advantage between Ducati and Yamaha at some point was way too big. Honda was never that much faster than anyone else down the straight. It almost looked as if Yahama and Honda were standing still on the straights, they couldn't even slipstream passed the Ducati's :p

You will learn one day that power alone means nothing. Caparossi is a 3 times world champion and he couldn´t beat Rossi on the Duc. Melandri a 1 time W/C and neither could he. Dito Hayden.
When he rode the Honda, Stoner simply didn´t get on with the Michelin front tyre, which resulted ih him crashing a bit to often. Also, don´t forget he was a rookie on a customer Honda, but still managed to put the bike on pole in his very first GP in the big class. If that failed to impress you, then nothing will.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 15:25

You will learn one day that power alone means nothing. Caparossi is a 3 times world champion and he couldn´t beat Rossi on the Duc. Melandri a 1 time W/C and neither could he. Dito Hayden.
When he rode the Honda, Stoner simply didn´t get on with the Michelin front tyre, which resulted ih him crashing a bit to often. Also, don´t forget he was a rookie on a customer Honda, but still managed to put the bike on pole in his very first GP in the big class. If that failed to impress you, then nothing will.


I'm not impressed if someone keeps crashing out of the race all the time. Pedrosa was also rookie and very weak that questioned some people if he could handle a Moto GP bike and he was extremely good already. Hayden ( on a works Honda ) got beaten by customer Honda's so the difference isn't that big in updates ( which got him fired from Honda ).

Other riders have openly stated how they are not comfortable with the Ducati and can't push it to it's limits, while Stoner is the only rider who can do it. The Stoner & Ducati combination simply works. On different bikes it's an other story.

And qualifing is meaningless in Moto GP btw unlike in F1 were passing is very difficult.

Edited by Simon Says, 30 December 2009 - 15:26.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 16:28

You will learn one day that power alone means nothing. Caparossi is a 3 times world champion and he couldn´t beat Rossi on the Duc. Melandri a 1 time W/C and neither could he. Dito Hayden.
When he rode the Honda, Stoner simply didn´t get on with the Michelin front tyre, which resulted ih him crashing a bit to often. Also, don´t forget he was a rookie on a customer Honda, but still managed to put the bike on pole in his very first GP in the big class. If that failed to impress you, then nothing will.


Second GP. :kiss: The first Grand Prix of the season had Loris Capirossi getting pole position, fastest lap, and the race win on the friendlier, or at least more familiar, Ducati 990. At Jerez, too, where Stoner and the Desmosedici have never been that competitive. :stoned: You have to wonder about Casey Stoner's ability to find employment or ingratiate himself with team bosses; when such an obviously breathtaking rookie year saw him signed up as Ducati No.2 as about their 100th choice rider. And then made up for this oversight by chasing Jorge Lorenzo and Valentino Rossi across the length of Europe as soon as Stoner called in sick. It's sad, and makes you suspect that Stoner won't be in MotoGP long enough to get a look-in at any of Rossi's records.

And Simon Says, Stoner is known to use less traction control than any other rider of the Ducati. That's one of the reasons he can get it around so fast, his feel of the bike keeps the throttle open where other riders back off, mechanically or electronically. You could argue that he's the Kenny Roberts of the 800 era. And qualifying isn't meaningless, you still have to get the bike around the track faster than anyone else.

Edited by Risil, 30 December 2009 - 16:31.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 17:55

no one cares about rally in Italy..


#34 ZenSpeed

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:32

I"m suprised Lance Armstrong is very low too, I'd put him a bit higher in the list imo. Tiger woods probably dropped down alot because of his cheating :lol:

dont think Italians care much about his women, it's just that golf isn't that exciting for that culture

Edited by ZenSpeed, 30 December 2009 - 19:40.


#35 ZenSpeed

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:33

Approachable, maybe. With no arrogance? Disputable. I have always found him extremely arrogant.

LOL, then I don't want to know what you think of Schumi and prost

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:34

In contrast to the Americans we do not ignore that he has to be called Epo Lance as they found Epo in his 99' drug test, after the French devepolped the new test. Game over Lance

It's no news, poor Greg Lemond was almost destroyed for stating just that

#37 ZenSpeed

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:35

What, no Zidane?

who???

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:35

As far as i am concerned, Roger Federer is the best of the decade. Besides, he is considered the best tennis player ever by the best tennis players ever... Laver, Samparas, Agassi, Borg, McEnroe, and so on...

Rossi enjoyes the same reputation, sharing maybe that honor only with Agostini

#39 ZenSpeed

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:37

What's not to believe in with Bolt.... its just he's the first 6ft + guy to figure out how to make his body work for him over 100m. When the other tall guys copy his technique what he had done will seem normal.

Also he lives and trains in Jamaica ...not exactly a place known for developing hi-tech undetectable steroids.

you can buy steroids in many gyms in NYC, how hard is to get them delivered? Just saying, I have no reason to believe he used anything

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#40 ZenSpeed

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:39

Kobe grew up in Italy for a bit and speaks Italian. That may have warmed the public to him.

NBA is popular in Italy and several Italians play there

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 19:50

Except that the so called evidence the French people found in a lab was rejected as evidence, it was impossible to proof that they were from Armstrong. Why didn't they find EPO during his 7 years of domination with the new tests if he was using it? :wave:


It was found in 2005, which was reported by L'Équipe. L'Équipe refers to an analysis of samples from 1999, which they could link to Armstrong. They were positive for erythropoietin, which could not be detected at that time (1999).

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 20:02

It was found in 2005, which was reported by L'Équipe. L'Équipe refers to an analysis of samples from 1999, which they could link to Armstrong. They were positive for erythropoietin, which could not be detected at that time (1999).

The sample was Lance's, just they didn;t have the technology to detect it when they originally took it. Years later they were able to determine from the same sample that he cheated. But it was too late to do anything about it. It's like finding out today that Renault cheated in singapore, you can't take away the WDC title from Lewis. What's done is done, but Lance was artificially enhanced, that was obvious then, it's proven today

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 20:18

It was found in 2005, which was reported by L'Équipe. L'Équipe refers to an analysis of samples from 1999, which they could link to Armstrong. They were positive for erythropoietin, which could not be detected at that time (1999).


The lab was developing a test for a possible EPO test on anonymous samples. It were experimental tests which a few showed as positive and the samples were anonymous. Even if those anonymous samples were of Armstrong, experimental tests still in development are in no way shape or form a real valid test. And how does that French newspaper supposedly just know that those anonymous samples are from Armstrong :rolleyes:

How do you know in the first place if an experimental test is positive for EPO and not positive for something else ... that's why they call it an experimental test and it's kept in the lab untill they have the final test which they know is positive for EPO and not something else :rotfl:

edit: You really believe that French newspaper just because some experimental tests in development back on anonymous samples are positive while he's been tested negative his entire carreer with the real EPO tests that has been approved? :drunk:

Btw, EPO is tested by blood samples, not urine samples. That French newspaper really needs to redo their science. That just shows how invalid the experimental test on supposedly Armstrong his Urine was back then :rotfl:

Edited by Simon Says, 30 December 2009 - 20:31.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 20:45

The sample was Lance's, just they didn;t have the technology to detect it when they originally took it. Years later they were able to determine from the same sample that he cheated. But it was too late to do anything about it. It's like finding out today that Renault cheated in singapore, you can't take away the WDC title from Lewis. What's done is done, but Lance was artificially enhanced, that was obvious then, it's proven today


EPO is tested with blood samples, all they had was urine so how did they tested that? :wave: Urine tests has proven to be extremely unreliable. Btw, the tests on the old samples were just experimental tests, not an official real test for EPO, just for science :wave:

edit: But explain then why they never found EPO in 2004 and 2005 during the Tour de France if he was on EPO since then EPO was being tested?

Edited by Simon Says, 30 December 2009 - 20:48.