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[Repco von Brabham]

Take a look at these:

http://www.forotcu.c...php?topic=622.0

The 80 per cent of these pictures, was scanned by me in 2004, for a finish Spanish great forum "Foro Historia", of Félix Muelas.,

Life have great surprises...,


Bye.

[Repco von Brabham]

Hi!!

A Emotional Rescue:


That is the car has began all the crazyness..,

[Repco von Brabham]

The causes of the sad END:

You must add to all wroted before by Pablo and me.., the stupid-idiot point system of the SP series.,

Only collected points the first 4 cars... what crazyness!!... that issue was a main cause of destruction.,

In the same times, in our Argentine F2 and F1, the first ten cars collected points, this system allowed to the drivers keep a hope for growing in the championship positions.,

The SP series close this door in the noses., the 5º car in the finish line didn't collect any f*** point., and neither any money.., in a series that was the more expensive of Latin America by far.. and so far!!!

What a stupid system.., that thing torpedoed the Nacional Sport Series.,

Regards

Edited by Repco von Brabham, 11 February 2010 - 01:46.

[fredeuce]

¿Gurney-Weslake heads? Not at all!

Pablo, can you give any further information on these heads fitted to the Huaya Pronello Ford? The link above show some great photographs but no details on the engine.

[fredeuce]

Since my last post on this thread I have been able to find some further information that does indeed suggest a linkage between the heads on the Huraya Ford and Weslake. By no means the complete story but interesting information. This is a Y - Block based engine not a Windsor.

http://www.y-blocksf...-1.aspx#bm39119

[Bob Riebe]

Since my last post on this thread I have been able to find some further information that does indeed suggest a linkage between the heads on the Huraya Ford and Weslake. By no means the complete story but interesting information. This is a Y - Block based engine not a Windsor.

http://www.y-blocksf...-1.aspx#bm39119

Now that is exceptionally interesting. I live about five hundred miles from the U.S. museum and have never been there, gotta change that.
That Ford coupe looks like a Cobra that tried to drive between two semis ala Planes, Trains and Automobiles.

[Ray Bell]

Agreed...

What a wonderful bit of interesting material is in that linked thread. Not to mention the great pics in the other link found there.

[Repco von Brabham]

That is the car:

Edited by Repco von Brabham, 23 April 2010 - 00:12.

[Repco von Brabham]

Pablo, can you give any further information on these heads fitted to the Huaya Pronello Ford? The link above show some great photographs but no details on the engine.

The heads of cilynders was made in Argentina, by the company "Tahuilco", in the city of Tandil., 700 Km to south of Buenos Aires.

Check:
http://www.fordv8arg...competicion.htm

Also was used heads make by the Emiliozzi brothers, in Olavarría city.

Never used foreign parts neither engines., the rules banned this things.

Kind regards

[fredeuce]

Repco Von Brabham,

Thanks for the further information. The pieces of the puzzle seem to be coming together. A fascinating story.

Fred

[arttidesco]

Wow! that clip show's an awesome collection of automobiles kind of reminds me of the wacky races cartoons which I must have been watching at the time this film was made :-)

Epic action and love the imitation Petty Enterprises STP paint job on the #26, and those driving shoes !

Did I just see a budget saving toy car recklessly disappear off the track !

I just have to se this film is it available in the UK ? And where did the big boss get those cool shades from ?

Thanks for sharing :-)

[Repco von Brabham]

It's not Can-Am, I swear...

1971 - Esteban Fernandino, Mc Laren M8C-Ford - Ford Motorsport Team (works)

[ghinzani]

And remarkable issue... the Berta-Tornado made in Argentina, defeat by great hiding to the sofisticated Porche 908 and Lola T70.,

Saludos Q, that is the one of the most amazing things I have ever read on here, although it took a long time to translate! Once again your bring us muchas piedras preciosas

[arttidesco]

It's not Can-Am, I swear...

1971 - Esteban Fernandino, Mc Laren M8C-Ford - Ford Motorsport Team (works)

I wonder which Ford engine was used, as I recall the M8 was originally designed to use its Chevrolet MKIV 'big block' as a stressed member of the chassis ?

[Repco von Brabham]

I wonder which Ford engine was used, as I recall the M8 was originally designed to use its Chevrolet MKIV 'big block' as a stressed member of the chassis ?

Like we said before, fella...

The Argentine Ford works Team used THIS engine:

[arttidesco]

Like we said before, fella...

The Argentine Ford works Team used THIS engine:

My Bad not picking up on the rest of the thread Thanks for the photos RvB :-)

[Repco von Brabham]

Bonus Track:

Carlos Pairetti, team Ford Argentina works, Mc Laren M8-Ford V8 (1971)

[Bob Riebe]

Bonus Track:

Carlos Pairetti, team Ford Argentina works, Mc Laren M8-Ford V8 (1971)

Hot damn, a Y-block Ford in a Mclaren Can-Am car, amazing.

[Lee Nicolle]

A front engined 1969 Huayra Ford, recently restored.

http://foro.enfierra...o-pronello.html

Carlos Reutemann drove it that year.

I really do not know what that engine is, it looks like a big block OHC to me and they were 427ci. It is not a Windsor with that width and dissy location.
Having read down further and seen the pics it is a alloy headed Y block!! Hoo boy they were making life hard using those engines in 1970. Not a bad low speed truck engine but they were finished by about 62 as a pasenger car engine. Those alloy heads are trick for the era though. I have a Y block fan mate who will love those pics.
It is a pity I cannot read Spanish as i would like to read the spec sheet.

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 14 July 2010 - 00:02.

[Repco von Brabham]

I really do not know what that engine is, it looks like a big block OHC to me and they were 427ci. It is not a Windsor with that width and dissy location.
Having read down further and seen the pics it is a alloy headed Y block!! Hoo boy they were making life hard using those engines in 1970. Not a bad low speed truck engine but they were finished by about 62 as a pasenger car engine. Those alloy heads are trick for the era though. I have a Y block fan mate who will love those pics.
It is a pity I cannot read Spanish as i would like to read the spec sheet.

Dear fella:

In our SP and TC series, the foreign imported engines was Forbidden, from 1966, understand it once!!!!

Never was foreign engines or engine parts-pieces in the Argentinian Prototipes Championship., neither in TC.
All heads and special pieces were done by the local tunners., (like Dante Emiliozzi y Guillermo Mikulán in Ford) supported by the local factories of Ford, Chrysler, Kaiser Willys, and General Motors.., in fact these factories set up their own racing departments.

Kind Regards

[Repco von Brabham]

More Bonus:

Nasif Estéfano - Mc Laren M8C-Ford V8, Las Flores circuit 1971.

[Repco von Brabham]

It's not Can-Am, I swear...

Interlagos 1972,
the white Berta V8 (3 liters, 24 valves) of Ángel Monguzzi, sharing grid with a Ferrari 512 and Lola 280 of Carlos Pace




In the mid grid, another Berta LR (number 27, red) but with Tornado OHC engine (3,8 litres, 370 HP), Rolando Nardi drivin



Rolando Nardi in the old long Interlagos circuit, (7 km), with the Berta LR-Tornado ex Perkins former car.,
Moments before his terrible accident, Nardi had been fighting with the Lola 280 Brazilians




The young Rolando Nardi, a pupil of Oreste Berta was found in the F4., unfortunately the brutal difference between the F4 and the Berta SP was almost fatal to Nardi. Retired from racing and was only 24 years.

[Repco von Brabham]

Fall of 1972 in Buenos Aires. it is not CanAm, I swear!!

All the pictures from Sergio Goldvarg private collection, (thanks)





Despite their powerful cars, the Brazilians always lost against cars made in Argentina, they lost ver!




The only Berta LR built with Berta engine 24-valve DOHC V8










The brazilian Marivaldo Fernandez in a powerful Alfa V12... he ever lost agains our local cars..,




THE BOSS., the Berta LR car with Tornado OHC engine, only 366 HP but was a car very maneuverable, very balanced and reliable, this car is that of Luis Di Palma, SP three times national champion, and champion of the Sud-Am Cup..







The beautiful Avante-Peugeot.,



Anothers Berta LR's..,







Brazilians..,

Edited by Repco von Brabham, 23 January 2011 - 03:04.

[huayra]

Dear fella:

In our SP and TC series, the foreign imported engines was Forbidden, from 1966, understand it once!!!!

Never was foreign engines or engine parts-pieces in the Argentinian Prototipes Championship., neither in TC.
All heads and special pieces were done by the local tunners., (like Dante Emiliozzi y Guillermo Mikulán in Ford) supported by the local factories of Ford, Chrysler, Kaiser Willys, and General Motors.., in fact these factories set up their own racing departments.

Kind Regards

As far as in know, the Mclares M8 in the pics u post wasnt really a McLaren.
Ford Argentina rented the one Chris Kraft brought to the 1000KM of 1970 and gave it to Vicente Formisano (one of the builders) and he built 4 or 5 replicas of the M8 that now is in a collection in the US in orange collors.

[Claudio Navonne]

Some pictures from Autoclassica 2010:

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[JockinSA]

How very interesting this site has been. Maybe I am completely off the wall here, but back in the earky 80's when the thundersports championship started in the UK there was a story running around about the "Banana" McLaren 8's. The story here that a number of chassis had been replicated is the interesting thing to me, as some of these cars apparently had plates when they had arrived in the UK. If my memory, which I have to say is VERY hazy about all of this, is correct, it caused all sorts of problems as the cars were fine for a number of running hours and then when as limp as the proverbial drunken p.... .
Funnily enough, on the same story, when I moved here to South Africa, I was chatting one day to the uncle of a friend of mine and the subject of the Bendy McLarens came up. When I had finished telling him the story as I knew it, he lept onto his telephone and started shouting to who ever was on the other end that "he had better go and find that ................................... and find out what the f..... was going on." From what I could gather afterwards was that he and this other person had aquired a Can-Am McLaren chassis that had originated in South America, and was as much use as tissue paper after the thing had been tested. Apparently it had a "pukka" plate in the car.
Unfortunately he died not long afterwards, and we were unable to find out any further information about the whole affair. Apparently after they found out that the car needed a complete new tub, they gave up and the thing was broken up and bits went here there and every where. It appeared that the tub had been made from run of the mill cold rolled ally sheet.
As I say, my memory is not that good on any of the original story, but certain things have sort of clicked in my mind. Great site though and very interesting.

[Repco von Brabham]

Hi there!!

In the same race, anothers copy of the Mc Laren M8:

The Brazilian car 'Avallone' was a copy, also.., even Brazil in fact made copies of our Berta LR., (and then copied the successful Berta F2 Mk3 chassis, and called Muffatto., that car never won.,)

[JockinSA]

Thanks for your welcome Repco.

After I wrote my thread, I rang my friend and asked him if he could remember any more about that business. He said to me that the car ahd come from South America, as a rolling chassis and was a bit of a mess. He thinks it was an M8C but could not be sure of this. He does remember that his uncle had a 6 litre chev motor built for it, so the thought of putting twice the horsepower through a soft tub must have made it quite interesting to drive.

How many of these sports cars still survive in one way or another? It would be great to see some on the Historic scenes.

[huayra]

Thanks for your welcome Repco.

After I wrote my thread, I rang my friend and asked him if he could remember any more about that business. He said to me that the car ahd come from South America, as a rolling chassis and was a bit of a mess. He thinks it was an M8C but could not be sure of this. He does remember that his uncle had a 6 litre chev motor built for it, so the thought of putting twice the horsepower through a soft tub must have made it quite interesting to drive.

How many of these sports cars still survive in one way or another? It would be great to see some on the Historic scenes.

This is part of an Argentinean Film from 1970 where the actor (Sandro) was a race car driver and they show some parts of a race in the Parana Circuit plus some footage in the Cabalen Track... Accident is pretty comic...

few month ago i found a post of a guy wanting 25k usd for something he post as a Mclaren M8. We started to chat until i ask "how u no is a Mclaren and not a Formisano?" then the guy disappear.

[huayra]

[Repco von Brabham]

Warning to Forum members:
- The movie is from 1970, while still not allowed to rear engine cars.,

kind regards