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#1 SeanValen

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 02:38

It's funny reading alot of press and what different people are saying, drivers and so forth.
Some people think that the best drivers tend to pretty much win world championships all the time, sometimes this is mostly the case, but not always.


If for a divine act in the universe, if something happened at Suzuka 1999, Mika's engine went or he missed a gear, could Eddie Irvine had become champion? Would it make Mika a lesser driver, no. Irvine once said the greatest day in his life was when Michael broke his leg., yes the gods almost got him to the title, even with Schumacher giving him a win, it was crazy, because it was pretty much expected Michael to eventually wrap up the title for ferrari after so long, but to think Irvine somehow had all the chips once in the life time opportunity work out nearly for him, wow, it just buggers the mind you know.


In 2008, Massa was how close to the title? He was world champion to us for a brief moment it would be almost 2 world champions at Ferrari now, stranger things have happened

Lets says

Massa 2010 world champion
Schumacher 2011 world champion
Hamilton 2012 world champion


Schumacher 8 times WC
Alonso 2 times WC
Massa 1 times WC
Kimi 1 times WC
Hamilton 2 times WC
Button 1 times WC


Button must win a 2nd WC at Mclaren against Hamilton to prove his solo WC was no one off
Hamilton the man who is the future bar Schumi for the media and some, simply must defeat Button, Hamilton could be a 2 times WC already along with Alonso who he finished ahead of in 2007



The guys who have the most to lose isn't actually Schumacher at first thought, it's Hamilton and Alonso and Button and Massa have the most to gain because even with Massa coming so close to the title and Button having a title, it don't matter, people have made up their minds already who will prevail, but the thing is, Schumi, Alonso and Hamilton may be better then their teamates, but they could still have a freak Eddie Irvine 1999 type season, a season where the title guy just isn't worthy because you know it's not a reflection of the better drivers out there, sometimes **** happens in life, which is why a unexpected next 3 years should not be ruled out, a Jenson Button title in 2009, many years ago on this forum, many would of laughed at that because even now we believe the best deserve a title, unwritten law rule of f1 fans, if this driver don't win, then he needs to win etc

Michael don't win, Mika must win, not Irvine!

Schumacher don't win in 2010, then it's gotta be Hamilton because maybe he's due a 2nd, or maybe Massa's near miss of 2008 must be rewarded if Alonso can't iwin for ferrari. Or maybe it's time for another surprise, that Button can improve and overcome Hamilton in his own team. Put Schumacher in a Mercedes that is just not not good enough in 2010 for the title, people will wonder what the fuss was about on his return, but it's usual for the sport to forget the slower cars, then suddenly in 2011, there's about 5 wet races in a row, Schumi wins them all, and has a good enough car to get points to the end, pow wow, he's wc again, Schumi vs Hamilton for most of 2011, but Kimi returns at Mclaren and has been clocking up consistent 2nd places, and benefits from Hamilton and Schumacher taking each other out at Suzuka 2010 Senna vs Prost style.

What's unlikely in f1 can happen and has happened, who would of thought Schumacher's engine would go at Suzuka 2006, who would of thought Hamilton could lose his lead towards the end of 2007, I mean he outscored a 2 times wc in Alonso, and almost won the title in his debut year, it must of haunted him to come close, but I guess he's gotta be proud of his performances against Alonso regardless. Massa has to be haunted of celebrating like a champion in Brazil 2008 on homeground, Kimi must be spooked that his bad karma at Mclaren was all wiped in one year at ferrari by having more luck in the end to get the the title, luck I think he deserves at least once in his career.

Not all f1 seasons have the answers fans want, the drivers are along for the ride sometimes, destiny and fate take over, no matter how great some are, it just might not be their time now or ever again, Mansell's tyre blow out lost him the respect of being a 2 times wc, and I think that season he lost the title might mean more to have won then the actual title he won, but good quality runner up performances maybe should be looked up more often



So take a wild guess for fun and forget about any rational logic about what teams may be strong, like ferrari in 2005, no one saw that drop coming.



Who needs a title the most, who needs one more title then the other driver the most? Who needs a title at all? Who needs 8 titles? Put Michael in a rubbish mercedes, let him win race races and put on a show and they'll stilll call him best, and give all the other drivers a title every 3 or 4 years, then Michael wins his his 8th title on his return to ferrari in about 6 years :D

Let Hamilton win it 2 years in a row, let them call Schumi a has been, then let Schumi win the following year, and reset expectations again
Alonso goes back to mclaren after going back on his words that ferrari will be his last team, a swap for Hamilton who claims every driver must want to drive for ferrari, mclaren work with Alonso in the way they wanted without having to struggle serving the might of Hamilton.


So much could happen. So much has happened, I mean, Schumacher is not coming back dude,
SCHUMACHER ANNOUNCES FERRARI RETURN
it's over, get over it, he is not coming back. His neck is demaged, the mind wants to do what the body can't, it's over,
THEN

Schumacher announces Mercedes deal

Alonso signs for Ferrari
Kimi leaves Ferrari

Jean Todt FIA President

Ross Brawn wins a title in his own team


We really have had it all ending the last decade off, you couldn't even have hired a hack writer from a quality tv show to produce the surprises we have talked about and the shocks. I mean even atlas f1 did a summary of big title headlines over the past year, are some of you still just a bit bemused by just how many changes and twists we've gotten over the last few years, it's actually quite amazing just thinking about it. Those last few laps in 2008 at Brazil, I remember reading the comments on the forum at the time, some of us were convinced almost it was scripted to happen, just when you think even with the most botched up rules a title decider cannot help but keep you clued, it does, f1 has had a way of sucking you into it's vortex :smoking: even when you were struggeling to enjoy it, you somehow got fed amazing unpredictability. In all f1 history, you still have this wonderful treat, that a formula one race is just never ever the same as the one the weekend before it, and they couldn't make up a rule to mess that up thank god. :smoking:


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Edited by SeanValen, 17 January 2010 - 02:58.


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#2 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 07:44

Bit long to read all that, my predictions :) :

2010 Webber
2011 Massa (finally takes the title :up: )
2012 Bianchi :eek: (Ferrari decides to swap out the championship losing Spainard, for their junior program superstar) :)

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 17 January 2010 - 07:45.


#3 jeze

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:03

2010 Hamilton
2011 Alonso
2012 Alonso

What will happen is that Ferrari won't have a fantastic car this year, and Alonso's late surge to victories in Singapore, Japan and Brazil won't fend off Hamilton, who in turn cliches the title in Abu Dhabi. Massa will be third, followed by Schumacher in fourth.

Come 2011 Ferrari will be on pace from the beginning, and Alonso will romp away with the title with Hamilton in second, and Massa in a disappointing third (while Schumacher won't get younger). Vettel teams up with Räikkönen at Red Bull, and despite losing out lands a Merc deal at the end of the year.

In 2012 Ferrari will replace Massa by Bianchi who sets up a remarkable three-way showdown with Alonso and Hamilton, where Alonso holds on to a slender title lead by finishing second behind Lewis in Abu Dhabi.

Vettel will fade a bit, proven by Red Bull's inability to build championship cars some years in a row, while Button will be terribly exposed by Hamilton. Schumacher will suffer a nightmare 2011 season, and give up on his career for good, being replaced in Mercedes by Vettel, while Massa goes to Red Bull, being paired with Kimi once more :eek: Webber will finish his career with Renault in 2011, before giving up and moving back to Australia to race with Holden Racing Team in V8 Supercars.

So by 2012 this is how the line-ups will look :smoking:

Ferrari
Alonso
Bianchi

McLaren
Hamilton
Button (on his way out)

Mercedes
Vettel
Rosberg

Red Bull
Massa
Räikkönen

Renault
Kubica
Baguette

Sauber
Heidfeld (ends his career there after Kobayashi being exposed)
Bottas (I believe in him)

Williams
Hülkenberg (on course to McLaren for 2013)
Sutil

Lotus
Trulli (swansong year)
Kovalainen

Force India
di Resta
Ericsson

Virgin
Glock (pretty much forgotten by then)
di Grassi

Toro Rosso
Ricciardo
Buemi

USF1 (if they exist)
A Rossi
Senna

Campos won't exist

Edited by jeze, 17 January 2010 - 10:24.


#4 Orin

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:23

I'm almost certain that Schumacher's racing for one season only. If Mercedes can demonstrate that they can compete with the top teams they will want to woo Vettel to the team.

Ferrari and McLaren would appear the best bets for 2010, however they both finished the season with problematic cars. Red Bull, on the other hand, have a fantastic car and a driver who's probably now ready to mount a serious challenge on the title. I'm sure the title will go to one of these three teams, perhaps we'll have a clearer idea of which one once the off-season tests get underway.

#5 robracer

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:25

I'm almost certain that Schumacher's racing for one season only. If Mercedes can demonstrate that they can compete with the top teams they will want to woo Vettel to the team.


Schumacher signed a 3 year deal. And I believe Vettel has a contract with Red Bull for 2010-2011 with an option for 2012.

My predictions
2010 Hamilton
2011 Alonso
2012 Hamilton

Edited by robracer, 17 January 2010 - 10:25.


#6 Orin

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:28

Schumacher signed a 3 year deal. And I believe Vettel has a contract with Red Bull for 2010-2011 with an option for 2012.


Note to self: must pay more attention. :blush:

#7 RodrigoL

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:37

2010: Schumacher (for Mercedes)

2011: Vettel (for Mercedes)

2012: Raikkonen (for Red Bull)


You heard it here first  ;)

#8 Johnrambo

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:41

2010: Vettel
2011: Kimi
2012: Kimi

:wave:


#9 Markko

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:47

2010 Vettel (Red Bull)
2011 Alonso (Ferrari)
2012 Kubica (Ferrari)

#10 Clatter

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:50

Schumacher signed a 3 year deal. And I believe Vettel has a contract with Red Bull for 2010-2011 with an option for 2012.

My predictions
2010 Hamilton
2011 Alonso
2012 Hamilton


I think MS's deal is actually 1 year with options for 2 and 3. Both parties can get out if things don't go to plan.

#11 MegaManson

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 10:52

2010 - Hamilton
2011 - Hamilton
2012 - Hamilton

But hopefully he will **** it up and Ferrari get all 3

#12 robracer

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:01

I think MS's deal is actually 1 year with options for 2 and 3. Both parties can get out if things don't go to plan.


I'm pretty sure it is 3 years.

http://www.guardian....-signs-contract

We are talking about a three-year deal, It's not just a one-off thing. We are talking about continuation.


But nobody on here really knows what the terms of the contract are.

#13 KateLM

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:17

I thinks its hard to accurately predict the champion for each year, based on some of the points put across by the OP. I won't even hazard a guess until testing, as whose to know how competitive a team will be in a couple of years time, and even then, its impossible to predict how a season will pan out for a driver.

What I do find though is that most people seem 90% convinced of how the intra-teammate wars will pan out - and IMO this year I think we will have at least one big upset there ala Raikkonen and Massa in 2008.

#14 Jackmancer

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 12:16

Vettel, Schumacher, Hulkenberg.

Germans to dominate

#15 P123

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 12:21

2010- FIA
2011- FIA
2012- FIA

However they decide to manipulate it.

#16 Clatter

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 16:48

I'm pretty sure it is 3 years.

http://www.guardian....-signs-contract



But nobody on here really knows what the terms of the contract are.


Can't find the article I saw at the moment. In reality it would be a 3 year deal, but with a guaranteed drive for the first year only. There are still question marks over how he will perform so makes sense all round to have the options in there.

#17 lustigson

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 17:04

2010 Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull-Renault
2011 Michael Schumacher - Mercedes
2012 Fernando Alonso - Ferrari

And after that:

2013 Sebastian Vettel - Mercedes
2014 Lewis Hamilton - McLaren
2015 Robert Kubica - Ferrari

:cool:

#18 TheF1PERSON

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 18:05

2010: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull-Renault
2011: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes

Lineup:

1 Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Renault
2 Sebasten Buemi - Red Bull Renault (as No.2 to Vettel)

3 Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
4 Robert Kubica - Ferrari

5 Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes
6 Jenson Button - McLaren Mercedes

7 Michael Schumacher - Mercedes
8 Nico Rosberg - Mercedes

9 Mark Webber - Renault
10 Nick Heidfeld - Renault

11 Nico Hulkenburg - Williams Cosworth
12 Andy Soucek - Williams Cosworth

14 Jarno Trulli - Lotus Cosworth
15 Heikki Kovalienen - Lotus Cosworth

16 Adrian Sutil - Force India Mercedes
17 Paul Di Resta - Force India Mercedes

18 Vitantonio Liuzzi - Sauber Ferrari
19 Jules Bianchi - Sauber Ferrari

20 Timo Glock - Virgin Cosworth
21 Lucas Di Grassi - Virgin Cosworth

22 Bruno Senna - Lola Ferrari
23 Kamui Kobayashi - Lola Ferrari

24 Kazuki Nakajima - Stefan Cosworth
25 Daniel Ricciardo - Stefan Cosworth

Stefan buy Toro Rosso once the team's own chassis proves horribly uncompetitive.

2012: Fernando Alonso

1 Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
2 Robert Kubica - Ferrari

3 Lewis Hamilton - McLaren
4 Jenson Button - McLaren
(The MP4-12C is launched the previous year and the MP4-27 becomes the first McLaren car run by it's own engine. Silver is out, replaced with White and Red of Vodafone)
5 Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Volkswagen
6 Sebasten Buemi - Red Bull Volkswagen (as No.2 to Vettel)

7 Nico Hulkenburg - Williams Renault
8 Jerome d'Ambrosio (comes with engine deal) - Williams Renault

9 Michael Schumacher - Mercedes
10 Nico Rosberg - Mercedes

11 Mark Webber - Renault
12 Adrian Sutil - Renault

14 Karun Chandhok - Force India Mercedes
15 Paul Di Resta - Force India Mercedes

16 Heikki Kovalienen - Lotus Cosworth
17 Fariz Fauzy - Lotus Cosworth

18 Vitantonio Liuzzi - Sauber Ferrari
19 Jules Bianchi - Sauber Ferrari

20 Timo Glock - Virgin Volkswagen
21 Lucas Di Grassi - Virgin Volkswagen

22 Bruno Senna - Lola Ferrari
23 Kamui Kobayashi - Lola Ferrari

24 Kazuki Nakajima - Stefan Cosworth
25 Daniel Ricciardo - Stefan Cosworth

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 18:28

2010: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull-Renault
2011: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes

Lineup:

1 Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Renault
2 Sebasten Buemi - Red Bull Renault (as No.2 to Vettel)

3 Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
4 Robert Kubica - Ferrari

5 Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes
6 Jenson Button - McLaren Mercedes

7 Michael Schumacher - Mercedes
8 Nico Rosberg - Mercedes

9 Mark Webber - Renault
10 Nick Heidfeld - Renault

11 Nico Hulkenburg - Williams Cosworth
12 Andy Soucek - Williams Cosworth

14 Jarno Trulli - Lotus Cosworth
15 Heikki Kovalienen - Lotus Cosworth

16 Adrian Sutil - Force India Mercedes
17 Paul Di Resta - Force India Mercedes

18 Vitantonio Liuzzi - Sauber Ferrari
19 Jules Bianchi - Sauber Ferrari

20 Timo Glock - Virgin Cosworth
21 Lucas Di Grassi - Virgin Cosworth

22 Bruno Senna - Lola Ferrari
23 Kamui Kobayashi - Lola Ferrari

24 Kazuki Nakajima - Stefan Cosworth
25 Daniel Ricciardo - Stefan Cosworth

Stefan buy Toro Rosso once the team's own chassis proves horribly uncompetitive.

2012: Fernando Alonso

1 Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
2 Robert Kubica - Ferrari

3 Lewis Hamilton - McLaren
4 Jenson Button - McLaren
(The MP4-12C is launched the previous year and the MP4-27 becomes the first McLaren car run by it's own engine. Silver is out, replaced with White and Red of Vodafone)
5 Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Volkswagen
6 Sebasten Buemi - Red Bull Volkswagen (as No.2 to Vettel)

7 Nico Hulkenburg - Williams Renault
8 Jerome d'Ambrosio (comes with engine deal) - Williams Renault

9 Michael Schumacher - Mercedes
10 Nico Rosberg - Mercedes

11 Mark Webber - Renault
12 Adrian Sutil - Renault

14 Karun Chandhok - Force India Mercedes
15 Paul Di Resta - Force India Mercedes

16 Heikki Kovalienen - Lotus Cosworth
17 Fariz Fauzy - Lotus Cosworth

18 Vitantonio Liuzzi - Sauber Ferrari
19 Jules Bianchi - Sauber Ferrari

20 Timo Glock - Virgin Volkswagen
21 Lucas Di Grassi - Virgin Volkswagen

22 Bruno Senna - Lola Ferrari
23 Kamui Kobayashi - Lola Ferrari

24 Kazuki Nakajima - Stefan Cosworth
25 Daniel Ricciardo - Stefan Cosworth


Where the f*ck do you place Massa then?

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#20 PNSD

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 18:30

2010 - Lewis
2011 - Button - gets a grip with team and car
2012 - Alonso - Last few years Ferrari have lacked against Mclaren, but a strong inter-team battle hands it to Alonso.


#21 salamin

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 18:32

do 3 polls for each year !

#22 BullHead

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 18:57

I don't think it matters much what Michael has signed up to, you can be sure if it all goes ugly, he'll hotfoot it out. no questions asked.

On the topic: 2010 Vettel 2011 Kimi (Red Bull) 2012 Kimi (Red Bull).... or just Vettel Vettel Vettel (if he doesn't go to Mercedes) :p

#23 TheF1PERSON

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 19:56

Didn't think about that to be honest...

#24 Xaus

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 20:10

2010 - Webber
2011 - Alonso
2012 - Hamilton

#25 Sausage

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 20:19

Because baseless speculation on who will become wdc the next 3 years is "something different"?

Overall your point that generally F1 is more exciting off the track, I agree with

#26 Trust

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 20:40

2010. Vettel.
2011. If Kimi's back then him, otherwise Alonso.
2012. Schumacher for retirement.
:)

#27 WebBerK

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 20:44

I think somebody has insomnia. :cool:

#28 ryan86

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 00:49

Interesting to speculate that if we see a spread of drivers winning the title (4 for the past 4 seasons) and realistically Vettel, Massa, Webber or Rosberg in title winning cars next season, how history will look back on era where people with one or two WDC's is ranked. Will it be a grid of exceptional skill where because of the high skill level no one could dominate or a bunch of mediocre or inconsistent drivers where no one was able to dominate because of their own failings.

#29 mistergagaX

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 01:20

[b]schumacher is racing for 3 years ! If anybody is not sure, go to his website and its written in BLACK AND WHITE by Schumacher HIMSELF ! Why are people still debating this ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[/b]


My nostradamus predictions are as follows : Schumacher world champion 2010, 2011 and 2012 ! :up:

His goal ,I think ,is to retire with 10 world championships :eek:

I think his only rivals will be McLaren and maybe some dark horse team like Red Bull or maybe Williams

Ferrari are'nt going to do anything special, but maybe win a race or two here and there if the circumstances pan out ....

#30 George Costanza

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 03:56

2010: Schumacher.
2011: Schumacher.
2012: Schumacher.

10 time WDC.

#31 aditya-now

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 08:02

schumacher is racing for 3 years ! If anybody is not sure, go to his website and its written in BLACK AND WHITE by Schumacher HIMSELF ! Why are people still debating this ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


I am sure that after an abysmal 2010 season Schumacher will leave again, no matter what is written in his contract!!!

WHY DO YOU SHOUT ? - I CAN'T HEAR YOU ANYWAY, IT IS SO LOUD IN HERE!!!





So my predictions:

2010 Hamilton
2011 Alonso
2012 Alonso

Bianchi will replace Massa in 2011. Schumacher will never get up to speed in 2010 and leave F1 for good, being replaced by Vettel at Mercedes from 2011 onwards. Ferrari gets up to speed only by the end of the 2010 season, hence Hamilton wins the WDC, but in 2011 and 2012 Alonso will be an unstoppable force.

Edited by aditya-now, 18 January 2010 - 09:07.


#32 lustigson

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 13:24

That shouting's funny...

#33 Colinmcc

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 15:58

My predictions

2010 - Button (but championship will go down to last race)
2011 - Hamilton
2012 - Vettel

#34 Coral

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 18:31

My predictions:

2010 Lewis Hamilton
2011 Fernando Alonso
2012 Sebastian Vettel