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#1 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 07:16

Good audio with Martin

Valencia is rubbish

Seriously considered quitting commentating at the end of 08

Doesn't know why Jenson joined McLaren, but doesn't think he'll be destroyed :smoking:


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#2 robracer

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 07:57

Good audio with Martin

Valencia is rubbish

Seriously considered quitting commentating at the end of 08

Doesn't know why Jenson joined McLaren, but doesn't think he'll be destroyed :smoking:


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Link doesn't work for me. But I don't think Valencia is that bad, GP2 races have been decent enough there from what I remember.

#3 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 08:00

Link doesn't work for me. But I don't think Valencia is that bad, GP2 races have been decent enough there from what I remember.


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#4 Spa One

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 08:42


Link didn't work for me either but I can agree with him on Valencia; it is RUBBISH!

Not sure why he considered quiting at the end of 2008 but I can say that I have become a little disenchanted with the sport over the past two years. This is largely due to the terrible new race tracks and subsequent racing that has been forced onto the callender all for the sake of Bernies wallet. Other aspects of the sports governance have also frusrtated me but with new management on board, and Schumacher returning, I am more optimistic for 2010. I just the quality of racing and race tracks/venues is improved over time.

As for Jeson, I can completely understand why he joined Macca. To be remembered as an elite driver one must compete alongside those that are elite, and in teams that are notorious for running at the front with the best drivers.

Its a gamble, but one worth taking in my opinion.

One way I like to describe it is that he wants to be remembered as more than just another Damon Hill.

That comment is sure to upset a few Damon fans but I assure you there is no malice intended.



#5 krapmeister

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 08:59

He is right - Valencia is indeed a big pile of poo. And while I thank Martin for stating it, I don't think there was many of us on here who weren't too afraid to post those same thoughts...

Edited by krapmeister, 18 January 2010 - 09:02.


#6 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 09:11

Not sure why he considered quiting at the end of 2008


He says after 12 years at ITV he wondered if it was time for a change, add that he didn't know anyone at the Beeb it's understandable, he says he's glad he took the job because he had a great time last year

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Try that link mate, it's just a little down the page and click listen :up:

Edited by SAFC09, 18 January 2010 - 09:13.


#7 D.M.N.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 09:37

Seriously considered quitting commentating at the end of 08


The only reason why because ITV went... he didn't know if he'd settle in as well at the Beeb.

#8 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 09:44

The only reason why because ITV went... he didn't know if he'd settle in as well at the Beeb.


It would of been a crying shame if he did quit, who else would of got the job ? Damon ?

With the greatest of respect to him as a driver and World Champ he'd send an insomniac to sleep


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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:19

Why not Any Davidson. He's plenty good enough.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:25

Spain has a great F1 fanbase and one of the world's best drivers.

Such a shame that the two Spanish GPs, at Barcelona and Valencia are usually extremely dull.



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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:29

Spain has a great F1 fanbase

before Alonso came about?

#12 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:29

I reckon that with a few tewaks - removing every slow corner from the start line to the bridge, making all the corners in the final section actual corners and converting the final turn into a blind double-apex - Valencia could be improved a thousand-fold.

#13 potmotr

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:33

before Alonso came about?


Post-Alonso I reckon.

#14 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:39

Why not Any Davidson. He's plenty good enough.


I enjoyed Ant's commentary in Hungary 06, so he would of been a good choice :up:

People might disagree but i get the feeling that DC would be fantastic in the Brundle role

#15 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:42

Post-Alonso I reckon.


The area around Turns 5 and 6 where all the Alonso fans with the banners and the like sit looks fantastic, it was funny in 08 when his engine stopped and they all nicked off :lol:

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 11:48

As for Jeson, I can completely understand why he joined Macca. To be remembered as an elite driver one must compete alongside those that are elite, and in teams that are notorious for running at the front with the best drivers.

Its a gamble, but one worth taking in my opinion.

One way I like to describe it is that he wants to be remembered as more than just another Damon Hill.

That comment is sure to upset a few Damon fans but I assure you there is no malice intended.



Yeah, because looking at which team Damon drove for and how he had as team mates he of course didn't drive alongside and competed with those that are elite (it was only Prost and Senna, not any front running drivers, and not in a team notorious for running at the front with the best drivers (Williams of course has always been a midfield team with mediocre drivers like Alan Jones, Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Jacques Villeneuve, David Coulthard, Ralf Schumacher, Juan Pablo Montoya, Jenson Button etc. etc.)

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 14:51

Valencia is one city I want to visit one day and see some of the sites. After hearing about the GP i was excited about combining the two but then they built the track in a shipping yard and don't even show off the city at all

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 14:56

It's funny, Abu Dhabi is just as bad. But that circuit had the right idea to get the key UK journos the gold leaf treatment.

Funny then how fans and those journos have differing perspectives on the event...

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 15:04

It's funny, Abu Dhabi is just as bad. But that circuit had the right idea to get the key UK journos the gold leaf treatment.

Funny then how fans and those journos have differing perspectives on the event...


I'll probably get laughed at, but i enjoyed Abu Dhabi, a few overtaking spots, the dusk until dark aspect and it has some character, unlike Valencia

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 15:21

It's funny, Abu Dhabi is just as bad. But that circuit had the right idea to get the key UK journos the gold leaf treatment.

Funny then how fans and those journos have differing perspectives on the event...


It still wasn't as bad as Valencia. It's not even nice to look at on TV... you've got freaking cargo containers, cranes, the whole docks bit and massive concrete barriers with catch fencing. It's like if prisoners were allowed to drive F1 cars instead of working out in the yard.

Abu Dhabi at least has the crazy architecture and colour at night. Valencia doesn't even have that going for it.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 15:36

I dunno for me it says something about the sport when what is outside the boundary of the circuit is supposed to make up for the lack of inspiration within the boundary of the circuit...

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 15:39

I dunno for me it says something about the sport when what is outside the boundary of the circuit is supposed to make up for the lack of inspiration within the boundary of the circuit...


Agreed. Spa could be set in a quarry, but if it had the same track layout it would still be magnificent.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 15:41

I dunno for me it says something about the sport when what is outside the boundary of the circuit is supposed to make up for the lack of inspiration within the boundary of the circuit...

Yeah, I come off as defending Abu Dhabi. Let me clarify.

I'd rather watch Abu Dhabi over Valencia but I mean it in a sort of 'i'd rather eat the fresh pile of shit rather than the dried up rotting one next to the dumpster'.

For the record my two favourite tracks are Interlagos and Spa.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 15:58

I'll probably get laughed at, but i enjoyed Abu Dhabi, a few overtaking spots, the dusk until dark aspect and it has some character, unlike Valencia

Same here Abu Dhabi was OK imo, maybe a few tweaks to the track and it should be fine, I'm even planning to go there this year :blush:

As to Valencia, yes that track needs a serious overhaul and the surroundings are underwhelming to say it nicely.

#25 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:05

I'll probably get laughed at, but i enjoyed Abu Dhabi, a few overtaking spots,


Or even 2....

It was uninspiring at best, a couple of sweeping corners before a multitude of 90 degree ones for the rest of the lap. The dusk till night aspect could be done anywhere and has been in the states for years.

#26 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:08

For the record my two favourite tracks are Interlagos and Spa.


Same here, i don't think it's coincidence there's a lot of undulation either (Tilke take note), chuck Montreal in there aswell, it isn't really an exciting track but seems to produce good racing

I'm buzzing it's back on the calender


#27 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:12

Or even 2....

It was uninspiring at best, a couple of sweeping corners before a multitude of 90 degree ones for the rest of the lap. The dusk till night aspect could be done anywhere and has been in the states for years.


I can think of 3 straight away, at the end of the long straight and the shorter one aswell, then where Jenson nearly got Webber on the last lap (i don't know which turn, there's too many to remember) Jenson said he would of got Webber but the back end stepped out, granted you have to be ridiculously close there to make it stick

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:13

It's funny, Abu Dhabi is just as bad. But that circuit had the right idea to get the key UK journos the gold leaf treatment.

Funny then how fans and those journos have differing perspectives on the event...


After being at Abu Dhabi I would have to say it is the cars fault more than the tracks. After watching the two GP2 races we thought the F1 would be brilliant but of course it was another procession.


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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:17

I can think of 3 straight away, at the end of the long straight and the shorter one aswell, then where Jenson nearly got Webber on the last lap (i don't know which turn, there's too many to remember) Jenson said he would of got Webber but the back end stepped out, granted you have to be ridiculously close there to make it stick


I was on that post under the Grandstand, it worked well for GP2, as well as overtaking there, it set up overtaking into the next set of turns. We thought Button was going to get Webber but it did not happen. But at least on the cool down lap Button pulled onto our run off and gave us some nice donuts.


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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:25

It still wasn't as bad as Valencia. It's not even nice to look at on TV... you've got freaking cargo containers, cranes, the whole docks bit and massive concrete barriers with catch fencing. It's like if prisoners were allowed to drive F1 cars instead of working out in the yard.

Abu Dhabi at least has the crazy architecture and colour at night. Valencia doesn't even have that going for it.

Nothing wrong with the cargo environment in itself. I quite like the surrounding, more so than the elitist and out of reality bahrain. Ok, the track is flat and races boring, but one phoenix in calendar is ok. I'd rather scrap Abudhapi.

#31 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:28

I was on that post under the Grandstand, it worked well for GP2, as well as overtaking there, it set up overtaking into the next set of turns. We thought Button was going to get Webber but it did not happen. But at least on the cool down lap Button pulled onto our run off and gave us some nice donuts.


Seen the videos :cool:

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:42

Seen the videos :cool:


So you would have seen me in action when the two GP2 cars came together after one of them had a brake problem and ended up in the barrier, I was giving fire cover for the car stuck in the middle of the run, off, wearing a cowboy hat and grey Yas Marina overalls. I have the video and you see me a few times, such as when another car outbraked itself and ran down the barrier stopping right in front of me. Plenty of TV coverage of me for GP2 but nothing for F1:-(


#33 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:46

So you would have seen me in action when the two GP2 cars came together after one of them had a brake problem and ended up in the barrier, I was giving fire cover for the car stuck in the middle of the run, off, wearing a cowboy hat and grey Yas Marina overalls. I have the video and you see me a few times, such as when another car outbraked itself and ran down the barrier stopping right in front of me. Plenty of TV coverage of me for GP2 but nothing for F1:-(


I think the only ''incident'' on track was Kubica and Buemi wasn't it ?

That would of been next to where you were stationed was it not ?

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 16:55

Martin Brundle is an excellent commentator IMO I dont think he was at his best last year, to be honest i think he didnt get along with Legard, hopefully they will gel a little better this year though.

Edited by WonderboyF1, 18 January 2010 - 16:56.


#35 SAFC09

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 17:04

Martin Brundle is an excellent commentator IMO I dont think he was at his best last year, to be honest i think he didnt get along with Legard, hopefully they will gel a little better this year though.


I noticed he made a couple of gaffes last season, he's been that good though i think he's allowed to make a couple now and again

You could tell he was frustrated when Legard butted in or talked over him, especially at the start of the aseason

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 17:06

I was on that post under the Grandstand, it worked well for GP2, as well as overtaking there, it set up overtaking into the next set of turns. We thought Button was going to get Webber but it did not happen. But at least on the cool down lap Button pulled onto our run off and gave us some nice donuts.

A bit OT but you must be so happy that they didn't assign you that post in the tunnel of the pitlane exit.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 17:07

A bit OT but you must be so happy that they didn't assign you that post in the tunnel of the pitlane exit.


They ought to give the marshal there a TV showing the race just so he doesn't get too bored.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 17:19

Seriously considered quitting commentating at the end of 08


He might as well have bloody quit because I can't listen to him anymore anyway. Because of the nincompoop he shares the box with now.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 17:28

http://www.brundlequotes.com

Edited by WonderboyF1, 18 January 2010 - 17:29.


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Posted 18 January 2010 - 17:45

Me thinks some people should give these circuits half a chance to prove themselves before coming to damning conclusions. The racing quality is more down to the cars and drivers IMO.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 17:56

They ought to give the marshal there a TV showing the race just so he doesn't get too bored.


i dont think that would work tbh xD

the odd thing about valencia is there are some lovely building and such in the area of circuit, but its hardly shown on tv :\, the actual track needs a fair few changes too, and lots of paint



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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:02

Link doesn't work for me. But I don't think Valencia is that bad, GP2 races have been decent enough there from what I remember.


Even the Valencia GP2 race was pretty bad compared to other GP2 races. Tilke tracks are just boring. Races at historic tracks like Interlagos, Spa, Suzuka, Montreal or Monte Carlo are much more exciting.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:13

Yeah, I come off as defending Abu Dhabi. Let me clarify.

I'd rather watch Abu Dhabi over Valencia but I mean it in a sort of 'i'd rather eat the fresh pile of shit rather than the dried up rotting one next to the dumpster'.

For the record my two favourite tracks are Interlagos and Spa.

I'd say those two and actually Abu Dhabi are my favourites - the last of the three only if overtaking is made slightly easier, and possibly the track was in a more rain-oriented climate. Just to flood the pit lane ;)

Seriously though, Those have the potential to be the three tracks we really remember from this era in the say 20, 30 years time, along with Valencia for being a borefest and Singapore for THAT crash.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:20

I'd say those two and actually Abu Dhabi are my favourites - the last of the three only if overtaking is made slightly easier, and possibly the track was in a more rain-oriented climate. Just to flood the pit lane ;)

Seriously though, Those have the potential to be the three tracks we really remember from this era in the say 20, 30 years time, along with Valencia for being a borefest and Singapore for THAT crash.


What could you remember about Abu Dhabi? The beautiful hotel and the non-existant racing.

Spa, Interlagos, Montreal, Monza, Monte Carlo these tracks give us something to remember every year, cause at these tracks there is overtakings and close racing, and even if there is no overtaking, cars look exciting even when they drive alone threw these narrow fast elevation changing tracks.

Edited by Kucki, 18 January 2010 - 18:21.


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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:22

What could you remember about Abu Dhabi? The beautiful hotel and the non-existant racing.


I don't even think the hotel was that beautiful. It was phallic shaped.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:33

What could you remember about Abu Dhabi? The beautiful hotel and the non-existant racing.


Non-existant is a bit harsh... I actually really liked the laps where Button was catching MW toward the end... but yes it was not great overall.

I do believe with a bit of tweaking...it would actually be a much better circuit run in reverse...

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:35

What could you remember about Abu Dhabi? The beautiful hotel and the non-existant racing.

Spa, Interlagos, Montreal, Monza, Monte Carlo these tracks give us something to remember every year, cause at these tracks there is overtakings and close racing, and even if there is no overtaking, cars look exciting even when they drive alone threw these narrow fast elevation changing tracks.

I remember the chicane where Jense was fighting Webber IIRC for those last couple of laps, some of the best racing I've seen on a new circuit since Fuji.

And now I'm going to invest in a fireproof suit, ready for the next grilling ;)

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:35

i dont think that would work tbh xD

the odd thing about valencia is there are some lovely building and such in the area of circuit, but its hardly shown on tv :\, the actual track needs a fair few changes too, and lots of paint


Maybe that's because the cameras are there to show the race, not the architecture. Who gives a fig about what the buildings look like other than the tourists? They don't add anything to the race.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:06

I actually really liked the laps where Button was catching MW toward the end...


Not much to do with the circuit though, since he never got to a point where he could put forward a sustained challenge for the position we never found out if the circuit would provide good racing from those two.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 22:00

Not much to do with the circuit though, since he never got to a point where he could put forward a sustained challenge for the position we never found out if the circuit would provide good racing from those two.


Not quite fair mate....they ran out of laps and the race ended.... I reckon 2 more laps would have seen Jenson past Webber at that chicane...