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#1 RodrigoL

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 09:52

Hamilton 'suggested Button as a team-mate'

"Something you won't know is that I actually called Martin and said 'What about Jenson?', which was before they had negotiations," said Hamilton.

"At the time I was calling them and asking them, 'What's going on? I keep reading all these different stories about different drivers. What's happening?'.

"Fortunately I would be told who they were talking to, but I had absolutely no input into who they would pick.

"So I would say, 'Have you spoken to this person? Have you spoken to Jenson?'.

"And why Jenson? Because he is the best driver there is, and they wanted to get the best driver possible. I just wanted to find out because people kept asking me as to who was going to be my team-mate.

"I was happy with the team-mate I had, but it seemed like they were looking for someone else."

I want the best team I can possibly have to score the points alongside me," replied Hamilton. When he's winning I've got to be finishing second, and when I'm winning he's got to be finishing second.

"I need a team. I can't win the Constructors' Championship on my own, so I need to have as strong a team-mate as possible.

"You want someone to push you. I had Fernando (Alonso) pushing me in 2007, and at certain points in the year in 2008, I had Heikki pushing me.
http://planetf1.com/...5897694,00.html


Let me say it up-front: This is NOT a bash thread, go somewhere else for those tiresome 07 debates..

Lewis has raised a number of key points, related to his involvement in the team.

I find it interesting he was even interested in the negotiations. The Constructors' argument makes sense, but he would have been "happy" with Heikki anyway. Doesn't this suggest McLaren 'forced' a better teammate on him..?!

Did Hamilton really have any influence? IMO McLaren didn't need any persuading to sign the current WDC, but Lewis' interest in the matter is striking.

Edited by RodrigoL, 30 January 2010 - 11:49.


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#2 undersquare

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 09:59

One of Lewis' many memorable quotes for me is "I've always been confident" :lol:

Entirely likely he'd phone up Martin, ask about teammates, have a conversation about it, and suggest someone. Martin would make up his own mind, though.

Edited by undersquare, 30 January 2010 - 10:01.


#3 Buttoneer

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 09:59

It sounds to me like he spends too much time on these boards reading rubbish rumours.

I can certainly believe he benefits personally from the direct competition.

#4 Dolph

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:09

This is just another example of Lewis being self centric.

#5 Bonaventura

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:15

Let me say it up-front: This is NOT a bash thread, go somewhere else for those tiresome 07 debates..

Lewis has raised a number of key points, related to his involvement in the team.

I find it interesting he was even interested in the negotiations. The Constructors' argument makes sense, but he would have been "happy" with Heikki anyway. Doesn't this suggest McLaren 'forced' a better teammate on him..?!

Did Hamilton really have any influence? IMO McLaren didn't need any persuading to sign the current WDC, but Lewis' interest in the matter is striking.


It makes sense, to have two teammates who really want to work with each other
Don't know how big Lewis's influence really is, but if he had a bit of infuence who his teammate will be
Lewis will be twice as concerned about good teamwork with Button, as he would have been with a teammate with whom he worked together not so willingly

#6 jjcale

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:40

So he designed the car... and picked his team mate ...

Is there anything else he would like to tell us..


EDIT:

"Fortunately I would be told who they were talking to, but I had absolutely no input into who they would pick.


The OP should have included this ...and I would probably have reacted differently.

Edited by jjcale, 30 January 2010 - 11:34.


#7 Simon Says

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:43

Let me say it up-front: This is NOT a bash thread, go somewhere else for those tiresome 07 debates..

Lewis has raised a number of key points, related to his involvement in the team.

I find it interesting he was even interested in the negotiations. The Constructors' argument makes sense, but he would have been "happy" with Heikki anyway. Doesn't this suggest McLaren 'forced' a better teammate on him..?!

Did Hamilton really have any influence? IMO McLaren didn't need any persuading to sign the current WDC, but Lewis' interest in the matter is striking.


Everybody seems to like Heikki within the team so that's why Lewis was happy with him as a teammate. And Mclaren obviously needed a better driver because Lewis can't win the WCC for Mclaren all by himself.

But I think Heikki just had problems adjusting to KERS and that with normal cars he should do ok.

#8 F1Champion

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:48

Its another example of how he knows better than the management. He "designed" the car and now he "recommends" the team mate. Its not his decision to choose, he should stay away and let MW decide. He trying to make out that he's calling the shots.

#9 Clatter

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:50

Everybody seems to like Heikki within the team so that's why Lewis was happy with him as a teammate. And Mclaren obviously needed a better driver because Lewis can't win the WCC for Mclaren all by himself.

But I think Heikki just had problems adjusting to KERS and that with normal cars he should do ok.


HK was no better the year before without KERS. Nice guy, but too slow for a team like Mac.


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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:53

Its another example of how he knows better than the management. He "designed" the car and now he "recommends" the team mate. Its not his decision to choose, he should stay away and let MW decide. He trying to make out that he's calling the shots.


Wow, some people will always jump on the smallest thing and then twist it to have a bash. :rolleyes:

#11 Raincoat

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 10:54

Its another example of how he knows better than the management. He "designed" the car and now he "recommends" the team mate. Its not his decision to choose, he should stay away and let MW decide. He trying to make out that he's calling the shots.



I guess he is taking after Alonso. :rotfl:

Alonso = 6 tenths

Alonso recommended NP and asked Flav to renew NP's contract for 2008

#12 ex Rhodie racer 2

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:04

So he designed the car... and picked his team mate ...

Is there anything else he would like to tell us..

Yip, he actually owns McLaren you know, something he´s set to reveal at the end of the season I believe. And that´s not all. I have it on good authority that Obama consults him on a regular basis regarding the American economy and Western defense. :cool:

#13 undersquare

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:12

Yip, he actually owns McLaren you know, something he´s set to reveal at the end of the season I believe. And that´s not all. I have it on good authority that Obama consults him on a regular basis regarding the American economy and Western defense. :cool:


Obama? As relates to Lewis recommending Jense. Must be a connection there somewhere I suppose...

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:27

So he designed the car... and picked his team mate ...

Is there anything else he would like to tell us..


He does the catering for the lads on the race weekends too...

Everytime Lewis says something it just seems to make it even more abundantly clear to me that all he's interested in is what's best for him and Mclaren.

#15 jjcale

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:35

The OP should have quoted this bit as well:

"Fortunately I would be told who they were talking to, but I had absolutely no input into who they would pick.



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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:36

Why does the quote at top of this thread leave out where Lewis says he had no input on who McLaren chose?

"At the time I was calling them and asking them, 'What's going on? I keep reading all these different stories about different drivers. What's happening?'.

"Fortunately I would be told who they were talking to, but I had absolutely no input into who they would pick. So I would say, 'Have you spoken to this person? Have you spoken to Jenson?'.

"And why Jenson? Because he is the best driver there is, and they wanted to get the best driver possible.


The bold part was left out for some reason?

Edited by Guizotia, 30 January 2010 - 11:36.


#17 Raincoat

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:40

Why does the quote at top of this thread leave out where Lewis says he had no input on who McLaren chose?



The bold part was left out for some reason?


OP shouldn't be wasting his talents here get a job with the tabloid press :rotfl:

#18 RobH

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:43

Its another example of how he knows better than the management. He "designed" the car and now he "recommends" the team mate. Its not his decision to choose, he should stay away and let MW decide. He trying to make out that he's calling the shots.


Luckily, he said neither of these things. Love coming to these forums for pictures, but the nonsense that's talked by some is ridiculous.

#19 Claudius

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:45

He does the catering for the lads on the race weekends too...


:lol:

I love Hamiltons driving but some of his comments can be a bit too much.

But as long as he continues driving the way he does, who cares...


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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:51

I think Lewis means he wanted Jenson over Kimi or Nick, so he urged Martin Whitmarsh to sign him. That's fair play to me.

#21 RodrigoL

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:53

Why does the quote at top of this thread leave out where Lewis says he had no input on who McLaren chose?


The bold part was left out for some reason?


Sorry, I copied each para individually and must have missed it.

Actually now the article is even weirder because that sentence contradicts everything else he said :confused:

#22 MegaManson

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:55

Anthony has the power of veto on who Lewis' team mate can be (alegedly)

So while Lewis might not have the call like he says it seems like his dad does

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:57

Let me say it up-front: This is NOT a bash thread, go somewhere else for those tiresome 07 debates..

Lewis has raised a number of key points, related to his involvement in the team.

I find it interesting he was even interested in the negotiations. The Constructors' argument makes sense, but he would have been "happy" with Heikki anyway. Doesn't this suggest McLaren 'forced' a better teammate on him..?!

Did Hamilton really have any influence? IMO McLaren didn't need any persuading to sign the current WDC, but Lewis' interest in the matter is striking.


Why would he not be interested in who his teammate would be? He may have been informed by the team as to who they were negotiating with, but that's different to him choosing a teammate. Even Mercedes never had a say in driver choice at McLaren. There are a lot of people who believe McLaren is Team Hamilton. The reality is far away from that.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:58

He does the catering for the lads on the race weekends too...

Every time Lewis says something it just seems to make it even more abundantly clear to me that all he's interested in is what's best for him and Mclaren.


And that's a bad thing is it?

Lewis granted isn't the best self promoter in the business as he comes across as incongruent. Certainly Button has a lot to each him in this area and possibly many others too.
However saying that, the kid is 25 years of age and entering only his fourth year with a huge amount of success already behind him.
I genuinely believe he is happy for Jenson to be there because he admires what Jenson has done and they have a lot of history.

Time will tell who comes out on top and I am sure that the loser isn't going to like it one bit, they are F1 drivers, they didn't get to be where they are by being interested in whats best for anyone else but themselves!

#25 P123

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:00

Anthony has the power of veto on who Lewis' team mate can be (alegedly)

So while Lewis might not have the call like he says it seems like his dad does


Anthony Hamilton- more pwerful than Mercedes. :rotfl:

Some people believe in faries too.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:01

And that's a bad thing is it?

Lewis granted isn't the best self promoter in the business as he comes across as incongruent. Certainly Button has a lot to each him in this area and possibly many others too.
However saying that, the kid is 25 years of age and entering only his fourth year with a huge amount of success already behind him.
I genuinely believe he is happy for Jenson to be there because he admires what Jenson has done and they have a lot of history.

Time will tell who comes out on top and I am sure that the loser isn't going to like it one bit, they are F1 drivers, they didn't get to be where they are by being interested in whats best for anyone else but themselves!


Nope. I admire him for it actually.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:05

Why would he not be interested in who his teammate would be? He may have been informed by the team as to who they were negotiating with, but that's different to him choosing a teammate. Even Mercedes never had a say in driver choice at McLaren. There are a lot of people who believe McLaren is Team Hamilton. The reality is far away from that.


McLaren is Team Hamilton

In 2007 Ron was batting for Hamilton

In 2009 McLaren sacrificed a highly respected man with over 30 years service at McLaren to protect Lewis' arse

In 2009 Hamilton had all the good upgrades first before Heikki



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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:10

Anthony Hamilton- more pwerful than Mercedes. :rotfl:

Some people believe in faries too.


It was alleged on here at the time of the Rosberg to McLaren rumours that Anthony had vetoed both Kimi and Nico

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:12

It would be actually be odd if he had said he was not interested in which driver they picked. I suppose some posters would have liked he replied like this:

"I was not interested or bothered by whom they picked. Afterall i can win the constructors and WDC alone you know. I was not happy with Heiki so i ordered him fired"

You can't just make it up. Some people nitpick on whatever this guy says, giving it more credibility just to have thread. What next? How much he is paying his ex-girlfriend? Sorry i forgot, we had a thread on that also!

Edited by jesee, 30 January 2010 - 12:13.


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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:16

McLaren is Team Hamilton

In 2007 Ron was batting for Hamilton

In 2009 McLaren sacrificed a highly respected man with over 30 years service at McLaren to protect Lewis' arse

In 2009 Hamilton had all the good upgrades first before Heikki


I agree. He hires and fires. Martin whitmarsh and Ron Dennis are on Anthonys payroll. I wonder why i had never worked this out before!

#31 RodrigoL

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:19

It would be actually be odd if he had said he was not interested in which driver they picked. I suppose some posters would have liked he replied like this:

"I was not interested or bothered by whom they picked. Afterall i can win the constructors and WDC alone you know. I was not happy with Heiki so i ordered him fired"

You can't just make it up. Some people nitpick on whatever this guy says, giving it more credibility just to have thread. What next? How much he is paying his ex-girlfriend? Sorry i forgot, we had a thread on that also!


Nitpicking would be posting a single quote out of context, or none at all. We have Lewis' own words, in which he seemed quite attentive about the teammate situation.

You're right - I personally have more regard for a driver who doesn't care about their teammates - be they Button, Raikkonen, Schumacher or whoever..

Lewis is obviously different, and cares for every detail, which is nothing to be criticised. Fair play to him... :up:

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:20

This is just another example of Lewis being self centric.


This is just another example of an idiotic statement.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:21

It was alleged on here at the time of the Rosberg to McLaren rumours that Anthony had vetoed both Kimi and Nico



Yes Anthony also picked Kimis WRC team :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:24

It was alleged on here at the time of the Rosberg to McLaren rumours that Anthony had vetoed both Kimi and Nico

By whom, and with what evidence?

#35 jesee

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:26

Yes Anthony also picked Kimis WRC team :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:



He also authorized the parting of Mclaren and Mercedes and influenced the hiring of Schumacker. I hear he might be buying the force india next.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:34

I like the guy but he's very egocentric. Most drivers are, but Lewis actually talks about it. About the "I had no input" quote, that was before he suggested Jenson, so you can be an apologist all you want but that doesn't any make sense. He obviously had input and he wants the world to know

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:37

To me it's fine when a driver is involved in the development of a car, or even the formation of the team around him. Its what makes a great driver. F.i. Schumacher whom supposedly got the free hand to form the Ferrari team when he arrived in 1996. We all know what came of that story.

Yet, you don't go talking about it in the open. It reeks of arrogance and boasting. Perhaps he is just too naïve to consider how it would come accross or he might be genuinely proud. But like he did at the car presentation, mention at least 2 times that he was happy that he had had input on the car development.. it just feels to me like he's bolstering his own ego.

The funny thing is that Jenson was the one who looked like the guy who'd been there for four years and Lewis looked like the newcomer...

Edited by Augurk, 30 January 2010 - 12:38.


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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:38

The more Hami talks, the more people realised what a dumbass he is :rotfl: .
He designes all and organise all Mclaren team.

Anyway, now we can interpret his statement in this way:

Hamilton got scared of Kimi. He used his veto to block his pass in McLaren. Then he urged for Button to have weaker opponent. :wave:


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#39 Levike

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:40

Hamilton is not one of the brightest minds on this planet that's for sure.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:54

I think from a British perspective the pairing of Hamilton with Button is actually a very natural even neutral happening. For years we have seen how good Button is, yet bemoaned his opportunites in decent cars. It was looking like it was going to be the waste of the century. I think the bottom line at McLaren is that if for some reason Hamilton isn't as fast as Button in the same car, then he will look to himself to find out why. Similarly if Button isn't as fast as Hamilton in the same car, he also will look to himself to find out why. This is why Button is at McLaren. I feel McLaren, Hamilton and Button have chosen a wholly non-political set-up. Watching the live stream I could almost believe that Button is secretly Hamiltons older brother. :)

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:00

It was alleged on here at the time of the Rosberg to McLaren rumours that Anthony had vetoed both Kimi and Nico


Possibly the least convincing argument I've ever seen.

Can somebody provide some evidence of this "veto"? Otherwise it'd be great if people could stop referencing this crap.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:04

I hope that he won't black mail his boss for the number 1 status... wait that was someone else.

#43 Clatter

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:05

Anthony has the power of veto on who Lewis' team mate can be (alegedly)

So while Lewis might not have the call like he says it seems like his dad does


Unless you can produce proof it's just BS, but I suspect your hoping if you repeat it enough everyone will believe you.

It was alleged on here at the time of the Rosberg to McLaren rumours that Anthony had vetoed both Kimi and Nico


Yes, by you.

Edited by Clatter, 30 January 2010 - 13:06.


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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:05

McLaren is Team Hamilton

In 2007 Ron was batting for Hamilton

In 2009 McLaren sacrificed a highly respected man with over 30 years service at McLaren to protect Lewis' arse

In 2009 Hamilton had all the good upgrades first before Heikki


Not surprising that there is a slightly twisted representation of reality in your response.

Firstly, if McLaren were Team Hamilton and could chose drivers as you suggest then they would have kept Heikki. Secondly, as team radio comms enlightened, Hamilton tends to do what he is told by the team during races. He must have massive influence.....

The 'highly respected man' you speak in defense of concoted a lie to the stewards. It's strange that you would seek to defend him and talk him up whilst lambasting Hamilton for participating in the same 'crime'. Or perhaps not. Lewis's arse did not need protecting, as you suggested (he lost his poinst from that race) but McLaren's arse most certainly did as they were still on probation after spygate.

And finally, Hamilton did not have all the good upgrades before Heikki. He had one major upgrade for the Nurburgring, and if you inform yourself of the facts you will realise the lengths the team had to go to to get this at the track for Mercedes home race. Give me a sound reason why you would have given that to Heikki over Hamilton. There simply isn't one.

Edited by P123, 30 January 2010 - 13:06.


#45 P123

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:09

Hamilton is not one of the brightest minds on this planet that's for sure.


But then neither are most of his keyboard critics, who drown this BB in their own bitterness and pettiness.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:11

It was alleged on here at the time of the Rosberg to McLaren rumours that Anthony had vetoed both Kimi and Nico

I heared it was Keke who didn't like his son to join McLaren, as long as Lewis will be his teammate there
Kimi made his own decisson.

#47 Turbo4

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:30

Hamilton.... just doesn't know when to shut up.

#48 moorsey

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:33

Watching the "anti-Hamilton" posts from some fo the fans of other drivers/teams seems to suggest to me that there are quite a few people running scared for 2010.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:38

Some of Lewis comments can be a bit pretentious, but this isn't one of them. I really don't see anything weird in driver giving ideas about teammate.

If he gets strong in team competition it will be good for him, and obviously he understands that, and Button should provide with a strong challenge. It also shows that 'veto' theories were nothing more than wishful thinking of haters.

Edited by velgajski1, 30 January 2010 - 13:39.


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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:45

The more Hami talks, the more people realised what a dumbass he is :rotfl: .
He designes all and organise all Mclaren team.

Anyway, now we can interpret his statement in this way:

Hamilton got scared of Kimi. He used his veto to block his pass in McLaren. Then he urged for Button to have weaker opponent. :wave:


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