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#1 Spa One

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:42


Any formal/informal goodbye to say thanks for the driving and titles? I thought it was a bit unusual I didnt see anything.

Or perhaps I just missed it.



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#2 domhnall

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:51

errr, aren't they paying him a load of money not to drive this year??

#3 Augurk

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:15

Reportedly 17 million.

But as to a farewell party or anything, or at least a formal farewell, I have no clue.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:16

Reportedly 17 million.

But as to a farewell party or anything, or at least a formal farewell, I have no clue.


This is what I'm talking about.



#5 Owen

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:18

As leaving presents go, you've got to admit it's not bad...

#6 RedBaron

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:24

Why would they ...he wasn't Ferrari's sweetheart in anyway? He did a job and he left.

#7 Raincoat

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:28

Why would they ...he wasn't Ferrari's sweetheart in anyway? He did a job and he left.



Why? Because he refused to suck up to the bosses like Fillipe baby or be a dirty cheating driver like Schumi?

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:30

Why? Because he refused to suck up to the bosses like Fillipe baby or be a dirty cheating driver like Schumi?

he was to slow thats the reason. :wave:

#9 Augurk

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:30

Why would they ...he wasn't Ferrari's sweetheart in anyway? He did a job and he left.

He delivered them a championship. Sending him off with a bag of money (which they had to pay for breach of contract) and a handshake does seem a bit miserable. But then, it wouldn't be quite befitting to throw him a party saying "we're so going to miss you".

#10 Sausage

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:38

I doubt Kimi would've cared for it. They have been praising him in press releases and such, that ought to be enough anyway + he got a boatload of cash, not too horrible

#11 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:49

Any formal/informal goodbye to say thanks for the driving and titles? I thought it was a bit unusual I didnt see anything.

Who cares?

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:52

he was to slow thats the reason. :wave:

I hope you are joking. First of all he is their only champion since 04. And slightly off-season in 08 is not enough to sack a driver. And even then he was leading the championship halfway through. Ferrari admitted they went backwards in 08 with Kimis car only starting to get it right from Spa onwards. In 09 he did wonders with a car that had 2 or 3 teams clearly quicker than it. He said several times that after they found a good setup and some parts to the car, it wasnt bad to drive. Just not enough DF. So it was down to Santander paying his wages and pushing for Alonso. And according to himself, he could have stayed but of course chose not to when he knew what they were up to.
I felt it had to be said. I hate untruths being casually thrown about.

But no real sendoff from Ferrari as I recall it. Except removing him from their hall of fame on their homepage.

#13 Burai

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:54

A year having fun in top-level rallying, $17million and allegedly an option to drive for Red Bull Racing in 2011.

Best leaving present ever!

#14 werks prototype

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:58

They gave him an Ice cream.



#15 fabr68

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 12:59

Knowing Kimi, he probably asked Ferrari not to organize any goodbye party or event that was not agreed in his contract. He was never keen to participate on any team event other than racing.

#16 Demo.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:01

best leaving present ever getting away from the spoilt brats at Ferrari.

#17 RedBaron

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:17

Why? Because he refused to suck up to the bosses like Fillipe baby or be a dirty cheating driver like Schumi?



Please note I wasn't having a go at Raikkonen or bashing him in anyway by saying he wasn't Ferrari's sweetheart. I was simply being factual, Kimi Raikkonen despite being a talented driver and winning the WDC championship was not Ferrari's sweetheart, there was no magic no legend created at Ferrari between them so a big party emotional send off wasn't likely at all.

#18 Clatter

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:25

Knowing Kimi, he probably asked Ferrari not to organize any goodbye party or event that was not agreed in his contract. He was never keen to participate on any team event other than racing.


I think he just wouldn't have bothered to show up.

Ferrari had just sacked him, no fake party is going to disguise that.

#19 Verderer

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:34

About those alleged 17 million, I doubt it was that much, and even if it was, wouldn't the Robertson's get a sizable hunk of it?

Anyways, I have said it before, and I say it now: Ferrari showed a distinct lack of respect and class in how the handled Kimi throughout his stay there. Considering he brought the championship to Ferrari, I can't remember if Ferrari had ever treated one of their champions this badly. It was a disgrace, and I am not talking just about any farewell party, at that point it would have seemed really hypocritical.

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#20 kismet

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:46

Why on doG's piss-yellow earth would they have organised a farewell party for some loser they had just spent the best part of two seasons wanting/trying to get rid of? To add insult to injury? A tempting thought, I'm sure, but I believe their comments since the end of season have done that better than any ****-off party ever could've. Especially since I rather doubt the guest of (dis)honor would've bothered showing up anyway.

#21 WonderboyF1

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 13:54

They had a small birthday celebration for him at Brazil, i do believe there is photos, However at the next race, I believe they had a small send off, on his side of the garage, I can find any photos though. I think its a disgrace what happened to Kimi at Ferrari, However from the second half of 2008, there was a unexplainable slump in performance, some through no fault of his own, Valencia engine blow, Canada pit lane incident, comes to mind. Then there was just some damn poor performances, At Germany, Hungary, Crashing out at Spa and Singapore also. It has been admitted, That at some point half way through the season, Ferrari did modify the car to suit a driving style of Felipe more, Why would they do that though, When Kimi was leading the championship and looking good for a second title in a row? Internal politics? I really dont know, But Kimi's certainly not a team leader in the same vain as Schumi, so by the time he requested for changes in the car, it was to late. All this has been discussed many times before on here, My personal belief is that once Jean Todt left, they wanted Kimi out at any cost, as it has been believed that Jean wanted Kimi to replace Schumi when he retired and Di Montezemolo, Was skeptical, perhaps wanting Alonso instead, however i bet he wasnt complaining at Brazil 07! Its a crunch year for Ferrari, they cant blame there problems on a lazy driver, Iv read nothing but, news about Alonso at Ferrari for the past two years, So the Tifosi got there man, Let's see what he can do.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 14:13

About those alleged 17 million, I doubt it was that much, and even if it was, wouldn't the Robertson's get a sizable hunk of it?

Anyways, I have said it before, and I say it now: Ferrari showed a distinct lack of respect and class in how the handled Kimi throughout his stay there. Considering he brought the championship to Ferrari, I can't remember if Ferrari had ever treated one of their champions this badly. It was a disgrace, and I am not talking just about any farewell party, at that point it would have seemed really hypocritical.



Thats nothing new just ask Rubens or most of the past Ferrari drivers.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 14:17

When Schumi left Ferrari he bought all the team members an expensive watch, instead of a lavish party for Kimi it should been the other way round, multi millionaire driver doing something for the modestly paid mechanics and truckies who worked their arses off to get Kimi that title and wins

#24 RodrigoL

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 14:25

When Schumi left Ferrari he bought all the team members an expensive watch, instead of a lavish party for Kimi it should been the other way round, multi millionaire driver doing something for the modestly paid mechanics and truckies who worked their arses off to get Kimi that title and wins


The same mechanics who didn't bother cheering their own driver at podium ceremonies, but were more interested in Felipe's Italian jokes, and funny hand gestures...

I'm sure Kimi stormed out of there as soon as possible, ice cream from the mini-fridge in hand.. :cool:

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 14:32

The same mechanics who didn't bother cheering their own driver at podium ceremonies, but were more interested in Felipe's Italian jokes, and funny hand gestures...

I'm sure Kimi stormed out of there as soon as possible, ice cream from the mini-fridge in hand.. :cool:


You have just shown why Kimi was disliked at Ferrari

Felipe like Schumi made the effort to learn Italian, Kimi didn't

Felipe unlike Kimi used to spend time at the factory motivating the staff and liaising with the designers, Kimi just used to turn up and drive the car

Kimi while great driver was bone idle and aloof so it is natural the team bonded more with Felipe, Kimi's attitude to F1 died out when James Hunt retired

Edited by MegaManson, 30 January 2010 - 14:33.


#26 GiancarloF1

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 14:39

Why? Because he refused to suck up to the bosses like Fillipe baby or be a dirty cheating driver like Schumi?


At least the dirty cheating driver and Filipe baby put all their hearts and souls to give great results for the team week in week out. And the team perfectly knew who did his job, and who didn't. Schumi and Massa did, Kimi didn't.

Edited by GiancarloF1, 30 January 2010 - 14:39.


#27 GiancarloF1

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 14:41

A year having fun in top-level rallying, $17million and allegedly an option to drive for Red Bull Racing in 2011.

Best leaving present ever!


Buyout is not a synonym for present.

#28 noikeee

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 15:02

I am sure Kimi is extremely butthurt at the fact Ferrari didn't make a party so he could happily chill with the people who sacked him, and would've gladly given the 17 millions for it.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 16:13

Thats nothing new just ask Rubens or most of the past Ferrari drivers.


Yes, that's right. A gun was put to Rubens head and he was told to sign, otherwise he'd be sorry. Oh, wait a minute....he chose to resign all by himself. If he hated it, he could have left . He didn't. Your bitching and moaning won't change that.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 16:16

Kind of hard to give a going away party to a guy who they knew certain would NOT show.


Not to mention the alledged 17m he is walking out with.

#31 giacomo

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 17:02

Saying thanks to an hugely overpaid while underperforming driver who did not care about anyone in his team at all?

"Although I've always worked very well with Kimi, I've spoken more to Fernando over the last three days than with him in three years".
This Massa quote sums it up.


#32 sleenster

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 17:09

Why would Ferrari even want to give a going-away party for Kimi and why would Kimi even want to go to that party?

Edited by sleenster, 30 January 2010 - 17:11.


#33 Clatter

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 17:10

Yes, that's right. A gun was put to Rubens head and he was told to sign, otherwise he'd be sorry. Oh, wait a minute....he chose to resign all by himself. If he hated it, he could have left . He didn't. Your bitching and moaning won't change that.


Hang on though. There were promises made to him before he resigned, such as not having to move over. He said that was the case and Todt also said it wouldn't happen.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 17:19

oh, I am sure Massa and Alonso will have plenty of words in the coming season...

The irrefutable fact is Kimi brought home the WC. Whinging about his salary, leadership, work ethics, or motivation won't change that. So maybe the guy is not so likeable or skilled at languages. He wasn't hired to be a social worker or a linguist, he was hired to drive the f1 Ferrari really, really fast. And most often he did, in spades. Even the great Alonso failed to win the WC at McLaren, in fact during his stay there McLaren went through a serious crisis, the effects of which we can still see today. So tell me, which one was more successful, Kimi at Ferrari, or Alonso at Macca? Or, has Massa been more succesful at Ferrari than Kimi?

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 17:25

oh, I am sure Massa and Alonso will have plenty of words in the coming season...

The irrefutable fact is Kimi brought home the WC. Whinging about his salary, leadership, work ethics, or motivation won't change that. So maybe the guy is not so likeable or skilled at languages. He wasn't hired to be a social worker or a linguist, he was hired to drive the f1 Ferrari really, really fast. And most often he did, in spades. Even the great Alonso failed to win the WC at McLaren, in fact during his stay there McLaren went through a serious crisis, the effects of which we can still see today. So tell me, which one was more successful, Kimi at Ferrari, or Alonso at Macca? Or, has Massa been more succesful at Ferrari than Kimi?

So you are comparing the success of one year at McLaren with the success of three years at Ferrari?...  ;)

But as we are busy doing improper comparisons now, who was more successful at McLaren, Raikkonen or Hamilton?
Who was more succesful at Ferrari, Raikkonen or Schumacher?

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 17:27

Kimi had a 50 % WDC win percentage at Ferrari when they pushed him out of the team.

[sarcasm]Let's see will Alonso get the same treatment if he fails to win one season out of two.[/sarcasm]

It's non-sense - who would push someone whose win percentage is 50 % out of the team? No sensible person would do that and reference the results as the reason for doing so.

#37 giacomo

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 17:46

Kimi had a 50 % WDC win percentage at Ferrari when they pushed him out of the team.

[sarcasm]Let's see will Alonso get the same treatment if he fails to win one season out of two.[/sarcasm]

It's non-sense - who would push someone whose win percentage is 50 % out of the team? No sensible person would do that and reference the results as the reason for doing so.

Good question.

Maybe Ferrari did a "point percentage calculation" in mid-2009 and found out that their wannabe star driver provided only 31,25% of the teams WCC score?

#38 Anssi

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 18:06

Oh... so that is the reason why they wanted him out of the team!

Thank You Sir - Your intelligence is highly appreciated!

#39 F1 Tor.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 18:12

Hang on though. There were promises made to him before he resigned, such as not having to move over. He said that was the case and Todt also said it wouldn't happen.


I'm of the opinion that Rubens, much like Irvine, knew full well what he was getting into when he signed up to drive for Ferrari. Forget all the 'what's in the contract scenario'. I'm pretty positive he got the run down from Irvine on how the team was run and MS's place in that team. He was paid extremely well to drive a top car for many years and only started bitching after he left, which is sour grapes imo. Nothing that hasn't been debated ad nauseum here. Your point is bang on and one that I overlooked, but the 'poor old Rubens' theory doesn't stick either as far as I'm concerned. He played a significant role in bringing many championships to the team, was praised for years by Brawn, Todt and others for his contribution to those titles. No one stays anywhere that long if they're treated that poorly, as some posters are suggesting, and Rubens sure as heck didn't have to stick around for the 2003, 2004, and 2005 seasons if that's the way he really felt. That makes no sense from a 'look at me, I've been so hard done by' argument. Irvine, from all that I've read, was happy to come along for the ride. He knew Michael was better, and has said so repeatedly. I'm trying to figure out the 'shabby treatment' part suggested by some, that's all.

Edited by F1 Tor., 30 January 2010 - 18:19.


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#40 Verderer

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 18:30

So you are comparing the success of one year at McLaren with the success of three years at Ferrari?...;)

But as we are busy doing improper comparisons now, who was more successful at McLaren, Raikkonen or Hamilton?
Who was more succesful at Ferrari, Raikkonen or Schumacher?


Sure, why not? The Kimi bashers are quite willing to forget he won the WC at Ferrari, so it seems it equally fair. In fact you can say that Alonso only lasted a single year at Macca, and was destroyed by a rookie team member. Whereas Kimi lasted three years at Ferrari, AND wond the WC, beating Massa in that regard. You can spin these things any way you want.

To be sure Hamilton was more successful at Macca, no-one is saying otherwise. But by same token you must agree that Kimi was more successful than Massa at Ferrari, right? Yet there are plenty of people who claim otherwise, and are completely willing, and even happy about the treatment Kimi received there. If Kimi was so bad, how come Massa is still there, even if his results during the two seasons (third doesn't count) were clearly inferior compared with Kimi? Because Massa is more huggable.

Schumacher obviously was more successful at Ferrari than Kimi. But then he was/is the most succesful driver of all time, so what's your point?

Edited by Verderer, 30 January 2010 - 18:33.


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Posted 30 January 2010 - 18:32

So you are comparing the success of one year at McLaren with the success of three years at Ferrari?... ;)

But as we are busy doing improper comparisons now, who was more successful at McLaren, Raikkonen or Hamilton?
Who was more succesful at Ferrari, Raikkonen or Schumacher?


I think I know what verderer is saying. People have somehow forgotten that Kimi won a WDC in his first year and perhaps he isn't really given the credit he deserves.Last year's car wasn't very good, yet Kimi single handedly drove it to consistent points in the second half of the season, which was very impressive. I'm sure Luca Badoer and Fisi can attest to that. I thought overall Kimi did a good job, but Ferrari thought Fernando was a better fit, and his passion is something they need to push the team forward.

#42 giacomo

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 20:38

But by same token you must agree that Kimi was more successful than Massa at Ferrari, right? Yet there are plenty of people who claim otherwise, and are completely willing, and even happy about the treatment Kimi received there. If Kimi was so bad, how come Massa is still there, even if his results during the two seasons (third doesn't count) were clearly inferior compared with Kimi? Because Massa is more huggable.

Raikkonen was more successful than Massa at Ferrari? Absolutely not.
Raikkonen was more successful in 2007, Massa was more successful in 2008 and 2009, as long as he was driving. Overall Massa wins.

Massa is still at Ferrari because he was faster than Raikkonen, because he brought in better results and because he was more useful in terms of teamwork.

#43 RodrigoL

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 20:46

Move on giacomo. You'll need plenty of energy to fight the Alonso brigade this season.. :|


Unless of course, supporting Felipe was out of spite for what Kimi did to JPM....you wouldn't be the first one.. ;-)

#44 glorius&victorius

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 20:50

Raikkonen was more successful than Massa at Ferrari? Absolutely not.
Raikkonen was more successful in 2007, Massa was more successful in 2008 and 2009, as long as he was driving. Overall Massa wins.

Massa is still at Ferrari because he was faster than Raikkonen, because he brought in better results and because he was more useful in terms of teamwork.


erm... massa is still empty handed... lots of love, but 0 WDCs and it looks like its not gonna change... have you seen 2010 grid?

#45 tommi34

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 21:07

The reason why Kimi got sacked was Santander money, no doubt about it. And because of his improved performances in summer 2009 they had to start critise everything what he did outside racing, to have a 'good reason' for the public why they wanna get rid of him.

#46 SpaMaster

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 21:59

Any formal/informal goodbye to say thanks for the driving and titles? I thought it was a bit unusual I didnt see anything.

Or perhaps I just missed it.

Err.. They kicked him out with a nice stab wound on his back! :p It would be insulting to give him a party actually. I am sure Kimi said in no unclear terms that he did not want any party involving Domenicali and Luca. On the last day at Abu Dhabi, his mechanics and engineers gave him a nice send off, but I did not see Domenicali there. :lol:

Edited by SpaMaster, 30 January 2010 - 22:05.


#47 GiuseppeF1

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 22:06

Well, as a thank you, Shell made Kimi this video tribute:



#48 sopa

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 22:14

Did Ferrari organize a leaving party for Prost in late-1991? :p

#49 Anssi

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 22:14

Raikkonen was more successful than Massa at Ferrari? Absolutely not.



Absolutely yes!

Do you know what the FIA F1 World Championship is? You might want to check it out... check out their results... don't be too shocked to find out Kimi has better results in that Championship both in and out of his time at Ferrari when comparing to Felipe Massa. Exclude 2009 and it's still true there is unfortunately no way around that.

I think Felipe is an excellent racing driver but his reputation is not helped by trying to twist history. It's like in Russia when the President changes then new history books are written and teachers are told to use the new ones (that has indeed happened in the recent few years). Really if you are trying to look serious and credible you should not do that.

Let's admit Kimi's results in the FIA F1 World Championship are better, OK? Because there is no denying such facts if you want to sound sensible. Also let's admit Felipe is an excellent racing driver and it's very OK he has not yet achieved the same level with Kimi but he has a chance to do so.

If you do not accept the results of the FIA F1 World Championship as the measure of success then I guess I can let you be like that but don't expect me to take you seriously if you do that.

#50 SpaMaster

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 22:14

"Although I've always worked very well with Kimi, I've spoken more to Fernando over the last three days than with him in three years".
This Massa quote sums it up.

Except that it did not end there. Massa continued to say, "That did not mean Kimi and I did not work well together though". :rotfl:

Saying thanks to an hugely overpaid while underperforming driver who did not care about anyone in his team at all?

How stupid a team should be to overpay an underperforming driver? And they thought Kimi hugs and kisses his team-members before 2007? The degree of stupidity is beyond comprehension. :lol:

Edited by SpaMaster, 30 January 2010 - 22:15.