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The first Russian Grand Prix driver?

Started by Tim Murray , Feb 01 2010 14:22

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#1 Tim Murray

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 14:22

There’s been some discussion in this thread about Autosport incorrectly describing Vitaly Petrov as Russia’s first F1 driver, as Prince Igor Troubetskoy holds this distinction. The first Russian Grand Prix driver would appear to have been ‘Sergey Dimitriewich’ who drove for Renault in the 1908 Grand Prix, finishing eighth.

‘Sergey Dimitriewich’ was apparently a pseudonym used by Count Alexander Vetchinin (or Vetchinine), a wealthy St Petersburg socialite. He also used the pseudonym 'Dimitri'. He was killed practising for an event near Moscow in June 1909. He has an entry in 'Motorsport Memorial':

http://www.motorspor...hp?db=ct&n=6909

See also this earlier thread:

Another race in Russia - 1909

Have I got all this right? :wave:

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#2 D-Type

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 15:20

Is it correct to describe Igor Troubotsky as a Russian? His ancestry was certainly Russian but at the time he raced he would have held a passport from another country, probably France.

It's similar to Jean Alesi who is considered French rather than Sicilian or Italian.

Edited by D-Type, 01 February 2010 - 15:20.

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#3 Greatest

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 15:50

Petrov is the first Russian F1 driver, though not the first Russian Grand Prix driver... (Formula One or F1 series was run first time in 1950)

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#4 Darren Galpin

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 15:55

F1 World Championship.... Formula A/1 before 1950..... I've got this sense of deja vu.....

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#5 Greatest

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 17:22

Darren, you're right... :up:

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#6 sramoa

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 20:31

Yes I think he is the first,but where are the Russian members?

And Yuri Sidorov?Yes I know he was Soviet and didn't run... :lol:

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#7 HistoryFan

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 21:33

Petrov is the first Russian F1 driver, though not the first Russian Grand Prix driver... (Formula One or F1 series was run first time in 1950)

That's also not 100% correct: There was also a Russian F1 championship in the 70s/80s. So he also isn't the first Russian F1 driver :drunk:

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#8 Rob

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 22:07

That's also not 100% correct: There was also a Russian F1 championship in the 70s/80s. So he also isn't the first Russian F1 driver

Although the Soviet F1 series was F1 by name only - I'm fairly certain it wasn't run to Formula One rules.

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#9 David McKinney

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 22:57

I believe it was - in some years, at least

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#10 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 04:31

The rules and regulations were the same than in 'real' Formula 1 (except 1969-72) but the machinery, of course, wasn't the same :lol:

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#11 Catalina Park

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 07:20

So let me get this straight, you can drive in a race called a Grand Prix and not be a Grand Prix driver and you can drive in an F1 race and not be an F1 driver.

So I guess this new bloke must be the first then. :drunk:

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#12 Rob29

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 09:12

So let me get this straight, you can drive in a race called a Grand Prix and not be a Grand Prix driver and you can drive in an F1 race and not be an F1 driver.

So I guess this new bloke must be the first then.

Guess thats about right :wave:

He would certainly be the first russian to take part in the World Drivers Championship.Local series wether or not to then F1 rules hardly relevant.Grands Prix have been held for all sorts of cars-Danish GP for Formula ford.New Zealand GP for local F.Toyota.

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#13 HistoryFan

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Posted 29 January 2015 - 07:01

‘Sergey Dimitriewich’ was apparently a pseudonym used by Count Alexander Vetchinin (or Vetchinine), a wealthy St Petersburg socialite. He also used the pseudonym 'Dimitri'. He was killed practising for an event near Moscow in June 1909. He has an entry in 'Motorsport Memorial':

I heard that that's not true. Dimitriewich and Vetchinin must be different people. I read elsewhere that on pictures Dimitriewich looks older and fatter than Vetchinin.

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#14 312f1

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Posted 29 January 2015 - 20:30

I heard that that's not true. Dimitriewich and Vetchinin must be different people. I read elsewhere that on pictures Dimitriewich looks older and fatter than Vetchinin.

According to this Russian site http://www.samouprav.../history_en.php , it is the same person. There are also other articles on Russian automotive (but not only) history. In Russian but a translating app did a decent job for me.

Edited by 312f1, 29 January 2015 - 20:34.