Österreichring, Zeltweg, Spielberg, A1-Ring...
#1
Posted 10 February 2010 - 19:31
Can anyone help me with the correct name of this great Austrian race track? And in which year/s the different names was used as "official"?
Kind regards
Stefan
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#2
Posted 10 February 2010 - 19:41
#3
Posted 10 February 2010 - 19:58
Herman Tilke completely ruined this track by giving us the A1-ring.
#4
Posted 10 February 2010 - 20:09
The A1-Ring is a bit like Tesco's car park!
#5
Posted 10 February 2010 - 20:39
What was done to this track is one of the great crimes in Motor racing.
Herman Tilke completely ruined this track by giving us the A1-ring.
In the same vein Hockenheim springs to mind......
#6
Posted 10 February 2010 - 20:45
Geoff, that link was very helpful - but it's not Darren's I believe?
Beautiful place, I have only been there once, unfortunately not on a race day.
#7
Posted 10 February 2010 - 21:14
The Osterreichring was marvellous - it was fast, there were places to overtake and the views were fantastic.
The A1-Ring is a bit like Tesco's car park!
Agreed. The original Osterreichring was a fabulous circuit on which to hold a Grand Prix. It really was GP racing in the grand manner. By 1984 the Hellalicht had been altered but the circuit retained it's original character. We borrowed a spade to dig ourselves a seat in the grass bank above the Boschkurve where the turbo cars were doing 210mph into the braking area.
Then along came Ecclestone and Tilke and now there is no race at all. If Spa could be shortened to the still splendid circuit which we know today, why could they not have done justice to the Osterreichring? Better to remember the glorious past than to endure mediocrity at the A1-Ring.
#8
Posted 10 February 2010 - 21:32
Thanks guys.
Geoff, that link was very helpful - but it's not Darren's I believe?
Oh yes, beg pardon
The site came up when I googled using his name ... because of this page http://www.etrackson...acks/links.html
#9
Posted 10 February 2010 - 22:08
Oh yes, beg pardon
The site came up when I googled using his name ... because of this page http://www.etrackson...acks/links.html
Here's the link for Darren's site:
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/
#10
Posted 10 February 2010 - 22:33
The fantastic Österreichring with all its daunting corners is 'perfectly' ditched, what a b***** shame that Tilke designed the horrible A1 Ring instead.What was done to this track is one of the great crimes in Motor racing. Herman Tilke completely ruined this track by giving us the A1-ring.
Edited by hansfohr, 10 February 2010 - 22:43.
#11
Posted 10 February 2010 - 22:39
I can only echo everyone else in their praise for the old circuit. I was there in 1970 and 1983 - the second time camping at the circuit. Only slight downside - the over-enthusiastic Police dog-handlers... There will never be circuits like that again.The fantastic Österreichring with all its daunting corners is 'perfectly' ditched, what a b***** shame that Tilke designed the horrible A1 Ring instead.
#12
Posted 10 February 2010 - 22:42
Fully agreed. The fantastic Österreichring with its daunting corners was a real challenge for men and machine, the A1 Ring is an utter joke.
And a rare photo of Alessandro Pesenti-Rossi
#13
Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:20
#14
Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:51
#15
Posted 11 February 2010 - 02:54
Dale.
#16
Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:12
'Zeltweg' was also a circuit which used runways and taxiways at a local airport, used for the Austrian Grand Prix before the fabulous Osterreichring was conceived and built.
As Jochen Rindt wasn't even in F1 then, I don't think he'd have been considered to be of enough importance to consult regarding the new circuit.
#17
Posted 11 February 2010 - 06:44
#18
Posted 11 February 2010 - 07:24
But as I recall, even as they were putting the haybales away and cleaning up the ashes of Phil Hill's Cooper, there was talk of a permanent circuit to be built in the hills nearby.
#19
Posted 11 February 2010 - 09:53
My first visit at the old Österreichring (without chicanes!) was 1973: Grand Prix and 1000 km-race.
I was also there at the very last event: the nissan and nissan-light-series (autumn 2003) - which became later world series of renault.
And of course many times between there. Not often the Grand Prix, because it became too expensive. But I enjoyed the 1000 km-race, later FIA-GT and also DTM.
Best wishes from a freezing Vienna
Alfred
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#20
Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:09
I do not know exactly, but:
Before 1969 the GP of Austria and some other races were held on the airfield strip of Zeltweg. Here began the reference to this town.
In 1969 the Oestereichring was finished and inaugurated. Close to Zeltweg, but actually in the area of Spielberg village (walking distance), references have often been made as: "Austrian GP in/at Zeltweg, while the name of the track really was Oestereichring. Spielberg was never mentioned.
In 1995 Tilke ran his project for a modified track. I am not sure if it was already called A1 ring when the project started, but at least it was called A1 ring at the first GP at the new track, held in Spielberg in 1997. The new name for the track gave way to also naming the correct township.
#21
Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:09
Rindt made his World Championship F1 debut in the 1964 Austrian GP, held on the Zeltweg airfield circuit. The Österreichring opened in 1969. I don't know exactly when it was conceived, but I suspect it was after 1964. In which case Rindt would have been in F1 and as Austria's leading driver might well have been consulted.
On my first visit to the Österreichring the coach passed by the Zeltweg airfield - they were just a few kilometres apart.
The Final corner at the Österreichring was named The Jochen Rindt Curve so maybe there is some truth in the story.
#22
Posted 11 February 2010 - 12:18
I think it's an even rarer photo of Otto Stuppacher...And a rare photo of Alessandro Pesenti-Rossi
#23
Posted 11 February 2010 - 13:26
I think it's an even rarer photo of Otto Stuppacher...
No, no. That's definitely Pesenti-Rossi.
Otto Stuppacher had a dark-blue Tyrrell and a red helmet.
Moreover Stuppacher did not race the Tyrrell in Austria. His entry was removed. Stuppacher was NQU in Monza, Mosport and Watkins Glen.
Regards
Alfred
#25
Posted 11 February 2010 - 14:07
#26
Posted 11 February 2010 - 14:39
Being less than 20 I loved the A1-Ring and I think it's kind of unfair to **** on tracks just because they used to be better. All of life used to be better. Of course the O-Ring was an epic of a track but I'll take the A1-Ring over anything else Tilke's made from scratch.
You are right, let's eat **** and be happy because the chef left the kitchen...
#27
Posted 11 February 2010 - 14:40
No, no. That's definitely Pesenti-Rossi.
Otto Stuppacher had a dark-blue Tyrrell and a red helmet.
Moreover Stuppacher did not race the Tyrrell in Austria. His entry was removed. Stuppacher was NQU in Monza, Mosport and Watkins Glen.
Regards
Alfred
Indeed, I corresponded with Mr. Pesenti-Rossi last year, and it's him on the photo.
#28
Posted 11 February 2010 - 14:51
Edited by AndreasF1, 11 February 2010 - 14:52.
#29
Posted 11 February 2010 - 15:00
You are right! I remember seeing Pesenti-Rossi racing his Tyrrell at the Nuerburgring two weeks earlier, and he was number 40, so I assumed he would be the same number at Osterreichring. My mistake!No, no. That's definitely Pesenti-Rossi.
Otto Stuppacher had a dark-blue Tyrrell and a red helmet.
Moreover Stuppacher did not race the Tyrrell in Austria. His entry was removed. Stuppacher was NQU in Monza, Mosport and Watkins Glen.
Regards
Alfred
#30
Posted 11 February 2010 - 15:35
What a great picture, Pedro, thanks! I can see where we camped, and I remember a couple of small, local storms, complete with lightning, in one of the steep little valleys in the hills behind!Wonderful track, also the scene of Pedro's last victory...
Scan of an old postcard :
#32
Posted 11 February 2010 - 16:16
Another question, when were talking of Austria.
Helmut Marko's F3 team was called "Team Marko RSM". What stands letters RSM for?
#33
Posted 11 February 2010 - 16:29
#34
Posted 11 February 2010 - 16:46
I think it was RennSport Management, for guiding young drivers.Thank you all.
Another question, when were talking of Austria.
Helmut Marko's F3 team was called "Team Marko RSM". What stands letters RSM for?
#35
Posted 11 February 2010 - 16:59
RSM stands for 'Rennsportmanagement' (motorsports management).Thank you all.
Another question, when were talking of Austria. Helmut Marko's F3 team was called "Team Marko RSM". What stands letters RSM for?
EDIT: right suggestion Arjan!
Edited by hansfohr, 11 February 2010 - 17:01.
#36
Posted 11 February 2010 - 17:17
Thanks for posting the post card. I, too, can see where my friend and I camped and where, in 1976, I stood in the rain and mist watching Mario Andretti slither around in his Lotus.
Marvelous place.
#37
Posted 13 February 2010 - 20:39
It was planned they would stage DTM in 2011, but things have gone eerily quiet lately
#38
Posted 13 February 2010 - 22:00
The Osterreichring was indeed majestic. I never witnessed the A1-Ring but I can just imagine the contrast.
Thanks for posting the post card. I, too, can see where my friend and I camped and where, in 1976, I stood in the rain and mist watching Mario Andretti slither around in his Lotus.
Marvelous place.
I was there 1972 and have posted many pics on here. But...I don´t remember where.
We tented just beside the hill after the start/finish straight. No problem waking up in the morning when the ground
started to vibrate as the cars roared up the hill.
I remember going about 25 meters from our tent to the fence and see Denis Hulme coming towards me...
I swear I had no chance twisting my head around to follow him...he had just dissapeard on the other side of the hill.
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
a fantastic place indeed...every day we went to a nearby village called Knittelfelt where we cooled ourself off in a big swimmingpool.
And one day Clay Reggazoni was there bathing with us. Just as a regular guy But at least we knew who he was.
I hope this comes out somewhat understandable...I have so many memories from this trip I guess I could write a book.
Best.
#39
Posted 13 February 2010 - 23:05
Seems like many TNF’s had a good time in Austria. Except me. I missed the racing.
I missed the spring opening race at Snetterton 1975 with about 4 hours.
I missed the spring opening race at Snetterton 1976 with about 6 hours.
As a young backpacker I missed the Monaco GP 1972 with about 3 days.
I missed the Monaco GP 1980 with about a week.
I missed the Solitude GP with about 15 years.
I missed the Grenzlandring GP with about 25 years.
If you see someone walking alone at a racetrack somewhere on a gloomy monday after a raceweekend, please come and say hello. It’s me.
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#40
Posted 14 February 2010 - 00:47
Many thanks for posting in ”my” thread.
If you see someone walking alone at a racetrack somewhere on a gloomy monday after a raceweekend, please come and say hello. It’s me.
#41
Posted 14 February 2010 - 06:39
The track would be used for the championship deciding round. It would be designed with corners where the championship points leader can knock contenders out of the running.I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Jochen Rindt involved in the design of the Oesterrichring ? Wonder what we would end up with today if someone like Schumacher was asked to design a track to challenge the gods .......................... Las Vegas probably
Vegas is feeling the "economic downturn" more severely than most US cities; how 'bout Euro Disney?
#42
Posted 17 February 2010 - 15:07
Who's the guy at 5'17"?
#43
Posted 17 February 2010 - 23:17
#44
Posted 17 February 2010 - 23:24
#45
Posted 18 February 2010 - 06:40
Winner '79 - Jones (including Bin Laden sponsorship)
Start '81 - I think that's Innes Ireland's head partly blocking the view.
'81 - Bruno in the Alfa ahead of Nigel in the understeering Lotus
#46
Posted 18 February 2010 - 09:18
1982 Grand Prix - Rosberg in the Williams
#49
Posted 19 February 2010 - 18:50
Start '79
Great picture, Wirra!
Interestingly Austrian TV's cameramen at the track went on strike, meaning only 7 minutes of the 1979 Austrian GP was broadcast...
Edited by nmansellfan, 19 February 2010 - 18:50.
#50
Posted 19 February 2010 - 19:03
And, no, this is not a wind-up!
Edited by Barry Boor, 19 February 2010 - 19:04.