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#1 Herr Wankel

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 11:56

Hi guys,
For those that are interested,heres a vid of Roger Dixon winning a race at Mallory in 2006,the year before before he was tragically killed at Jehonville a couple of years back.Some of you may remember him from the TZ750 chair days.Commentary is a bit naff,but the action is good.Don't blink at the start.Enjoy
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 16:58

Great, and what a nice noise those old BMW outfits used to make. Always used to enjoy the German visitors coming over for a spin around Brands Hatch (my local track).
And that was the once great Mallory park, totally ruined by that awful bus stop chicane!

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 17:58

Great, and what a nice noise those old BMW outfits used to make. Always used to enjoy the German visitors coming over for a spin around Brands Hatch (my local track).
And that was the once great Mallory park, totally ruined by that awful bus stop chicane!



& the two new chicanes!! :well:

#4 Ray Oldam

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 22:53

Herr,

Thanks for that - they sounded great too! Dixon's outfit reminds me of Klaus Enders' machine from the early 70's - I'm sure it's the same colour scheme.

ATB

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 23:25

Just found this one, & I like it, they featured in the race clip from Mallory, Ian Johnson/Kevin Roughan @ Lydden Hill 2007.
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#6 mba21

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 23:26

Great foto graham top class :up: :up:

Have had nothing but probs tonight with getting on here, but I see they have sorted it out now :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Edited by mba21, 03 March 2010 - 23:30.


#7 picblanc

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:05

Great foto graham top class :up: :up:

Have had nothing but probs tonight with getting on here, but I see they have sorted it out now :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Morning chaps, yes I had trouble getting on late evening yesterday too!?

#8 Herr Wankel

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:07

Just found this one, & I like it, they featured in the race clip from Mallory, Ian Johnson/Kevin Roughan @ Lydden Hill 2007.
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Nice Imp powered outfit.Who would have thought that funny little car would keep us entertained so much,so many years later.
Roger (Dixons) hero was Florian Camathias,hence the colours.Wasn't Enders outfit a little more 'orangey'.His (Enders') passenger Ralf Engelhardt pedals a very quick Busch R100 motored outfit nowadays.A little bird tells me that Rogers outfit will return this year with a top notch pilot.Also on youtube a short interview with Roger at that same Mallory meeting.He was some character.His last words to me were: ''Oh,I don,t suppose I'm f.....g famous enough to give you my autograph'' :lol: :lol: Much missed,old lad.
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:16

Why were Imps & Saabs chosen for outfits? & not Ford or BMC/Leyland etc?

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:39

I think the imps and saabs engines were of an all aluminium construction ,and bmc /leyland were made from a pile o pig iron :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

#11 Herr Wankel

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:40

Why were Imps & Saabs chosen for outfits? & not Ford or BMC/Leyland etc?

Compact,light weight, and probably in a better state of tune in standard form.The Saab unit is quite small for its capacity (850cc) and the Imp,all aluminium and canted over in its original form.
Chris Nickels from Swindon,is the exception to the rule.He has 2 outfits built in the late 60s early 70s.Old 'Grubby' has an Austin Healey Sprite/Mini Cooper motor.Paid 75 quid for it back then,and as he says;"for that money,it ought to be good".Number 2 has a Ford Cosworth 1300 BDA motor in it.Both genuine period Classic outfits,and still very hard to beat,especially on the Belgian road circuits.Anyone who knows Team Komnik,will be smiling now! :) What a gang of reprobates they are :rotfl: :rotfl: On the Saab side,anyone got a photo of Dale Wards beautiful Beckett tuned SAAB from the early 70s?
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Posted 05 March 2010 - 21:14

Another interesting one? from Snetterton CRMC 2007.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 18:34

Why were Imps & Saabs chosen for outfits? & not Ford or BMC/Leyland etc?


Evening all :p you seem to have forgotten Owen Greenwoods Mini , and Jack Levy's Unfordox's ,

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 18:43

Evening all :p you seem to have forgotten Owen Greenwoods Mini , and Jack Levy's Unfordox's ,





Welcome home mate :clap: :clap: :clap: Hope you had a great break, we've missed you :rolleyes: ):


There has been some fun and games :rotfl: :rotfl:




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#15 mba21

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 18:57

Evening all :p you seem to have forgotten Owen Greenwoods Mini , and Jack Levy's Unfordox's ,




Evenin fil :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

#16 fil2.8

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 19:26

Evenin fil :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:


Thanks fan's :p :rolleyes: for your welcome back :blush: it's going to take a while to catch up , but was good to get away :yawnface: , even though it pissed down :mad: for the best part of 4 days or so :well:

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 19:36

Thanks fan's :p :rolleyes: for your welcome back :blush: it's going to take a while to catch up , but was good to get away :yawnface: , even though it pissed down :mad: for the best part of 4 days or so :well:


Welcome back Phil you’ve been missed and you missed it all :eek: :rotfl: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

Edited by SADBATCCM, 13 March 2010 - 19:40.


#18 mba21

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 20:31

I bet he's gone for a game o skittles down the local :lol: :lol: :lol:

#19 fil2.8

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 20:48

I bet he's gone for a game o skittles down the local :lol: :lol: :lol:


Steady , steady :eek: , don't play at weekends , but just popping out for a :drunk: or :drunk: :drunk: , coming ??
Got to clear me 'ead , trying to catch up on the forum and FB :confused:

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#20 mba21

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 20:51

Steady , steady :eek: , don't play at weekends , but just popping out for a :drunk: or :drunk: :drunk: , coming ??
Got to clear me 'ead , trying to catch up on the forum and FB :confused:

Ooerrrr face book :rolleyes:

#21 fil2.8

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 20:58

Ooerrrr face book :rolleyes:


Well , you're on it I believe :rolleyes: :rolleyes: or someone just like you :eek: :eek: ............................... :p

#22 mba21

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 21:03

Well , you're on it I believe :rolleyes: :rolleyes: or someone just like you :eek: :eek: ............................... :p



Sshhhhhhh ye I joined last week :blush:

#23 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 21:11

Sshhhhhhh ye I joined last week :blush:




Yeah but I can't find him yet Phil :rolleyes:


Where's me glasses.........? :rotfl:




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Posted 13 March 2010 - 22:35

Yeah but I can't find him yet Phil :rolleyes:


Where's me glasses.........? :rotfl:




David

very hard to find is our Mr P :lol: :lol:

#25 fil2.8

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 22:46

Yeah but I can't find him yet Phil :rolleyes:


Where's me glasses.........? :rotfl:




David


He'll probably find YOU :eek: ..................if you're not careful !!! :rolleyes:

#26 mba21

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 22:46

very hard to find is our Mr P :lol: :lol:




Oi I am here :wave: :wave:

#27 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 22:52

He'll probably find YOU :eek: ..................if you're not careful !!! :rolleyes:




and you when I suggest you too you old bugger! What was that Danish again Poul Eric? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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#28 roadshop

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 23:12

and you when I suggest you too you old bugger! What was that Danish again Poul Eric? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


David



"GAMLE FJOLS!!!!"

#29 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 23:31

"GAMLE FJOLS!!!!"




Yes, thanks for that... :wave:


Gamle Fjols Phil :rotfl:


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Posted 13 March 2010 - 23:49

Yes, thanks for that... :wave:


Gamle Fjols Phil :rotfl:


David


Sorry don't do Latin , David :p

#31 kerrowmoar

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 23:51

Wotcha Fil :wave:



#32 fil2.8

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 00:00

Wotcha Fil :wave:


Ccccccooooooeeeeeeeeeeeee K :up: :wave:

#33 mba21

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 00:04

Right you lot ...............I am off up the wooden hill for some well deserved sleep,catch you laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :rolleyes:

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 00:34

Right you lot ...............I am off up the wooden hill for some well deserved sleep,catch you laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :rolleyes:


Nighty Night! :wave: Back to painting for me! :)


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Posted 24 June 2010 - 12:32

Why were Imps & Saabs chosen for outfits? & not Ford or BMC/Leyland etc?


Choice I suppose :) The Saab lump was iron too but very compact compared to most other car derived motors. There were other options used too, VW Beetle, Honda S800, NSU 1200, Coventry Climax, DKW, Koehler (ex snowmobile), Konigs of course, one French driver played around with Panhard and Citroen engines.

The first Imp engine that I recall was driven by Vic Phillips in an outfit called Nerus Impetus in the mid 60s. Nerus at that time xere very successful in tuning rally Imps so bits were available, same goes for Ford and BMC lumps. VW powered chairs probably arose from a dragster bike that used a Beetle engine, that of Clive Waye in his DragWaye Bike as I recall none used before then. Ray English campaigned an NSU outfit for a good number of years both in open racing and latterly with CRMC, the favourite unit was from the NSU 1200TT version. When they went they were quite quick but somewhat temperamental.

Unfortunately modern racing has none of this individuality, ingenuity and engineering skills where the majority of outfits were home built, its passing I mourn. Today the F1 class is virtually a one make series of LCR/Suzuki, the F2s have a variety of chassis by different makers but dominated by Honda power. Oh well, that's progress :rolleyes:

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 12:44

Choice I suppose :) The Saab lump was iron too but very compact compared to most other car derived motors. There were other options used too, VW Beetle, Honda S800, NSU 1200, Coventry Climax, DKW, Koehler (ex snowmobile), Konigs of course, one French driver played around with Panhard and Citroen engines.

The first Imp engine that I recall was driven by Vic Phillips in an outfit called Nerus Impetus in the mid 60s. Nerus at that time xere very successful in tuning rally Imps so bits were available, same goes for Ford and BMC lumps. VW powered chairs probably arose from a dragster bike that used a Beetle engine, that of Clive Waye in his DragWaye Bike as I recall none used before then. Ray English campaigned an NSU outfit for a good number of years both in open racing and latterly with CRMC, the favourite unit was from the NSU 1200TT version. When they went they were quite quick but somewhat temperamental.

Unfortunately modern racing has none of this individuality, ingenuity and engineering skills where the majority of outfits were home built, its passing I mourn. Today the F1 class is virtually a one make series of LCR/Suzuki, the F2s have a variety of chassis by different makers but dominated by Honda power. Oh well, that's progress :rolleyes:


Frank Barwick's NSU.
http://www.britishpa...rd.php?id=45880

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 06:28

What about a sidecar series for production twin cylinder motorcycles up to 1200cc on controlled tyres with only very limited mods. That would have to be spectacular and fun.





Frank Barwick's NSU.
http://www.britishpa...rd.php?id=45880



#38 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 23:24

I hope everyone will agree that these are classics...

They're from West Australian photographer Peter de Vries, Peter McKay has sent them to me hoping someone can identify them.

Supposedly they're at Caversham, but I suspect they're not. Caversham was almost wholly a right-turn circuit, and most of the bends, certainly any left hand bends, were in the bush. That doesn't fit with these pics... so if anyone knows where they are it would be good too.

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#39 fil2.8

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 23:34

[quote name='Ray Bell' date='Jan 12 2011, 23:24' post='4786413']
I hope everyone will agree that these are classics...

They're from West Australian photographer Peter de Vries, Peter McKay has sent them to me hoping someone can identify them.

Supposedly they're at Caversham, but I suspect they're not. Caversham was almost wholly a right-turn circuit, and most of the bends, certainly any left hand bends, were in the bush. That doesn't fit with these pics... so if anyone knows where they are it would be good too.

Nice to see you've found us here , Ray , your'e amongst friends , great pics BTW :up: , i'm sure your questions , for once , will be answered :wave:


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Posted 13 January 2011 - 08:04

Going by the angle of the sun and the look of the surrounding landscape, Ray, I'd reckon they're definitely taken at the left-hander over the back at Caversham. Can't id the riders at this stage, but will pm Ken Devine and see if he can shed any light.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 08:54

I am unable to help with these photos.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 12:45

Originally posted by GD66
Going by the angle of the sun and the look of the surrounding landscape, Ray, I'd reckon they're definitely taken at the left-hander over the back at Caversham. Can't id the riders at this stage, but will pm Ken Devine and see if he can shed any light.


They fooled us!

Here's a note from Brian McKay, Peter's uncle and the one who's had custody of the pics for some time:

"The location of those shots of the sidecar races, were at Caversham. The officials in those heady days gave permission for reverse circuit races especially for chairs."

So that's part of the answer... now, who are the riders and the acrobats?

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 07:24

This is one from a set given to me last year Caversham around 1950.



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Posted 21 January 2011 - 09:13

I hope everyone will agree that these are classics...

They're from West Australian photographer Peter de Vries, Peter McKay has sent them to me hoping someone can identify them.

Supposedly they're at Caversham, but I suspect they're not. Caversham was almost wholly a right-turn circuit, and most of the bends, certainly any left hand bends, were in the bush. That doesn't fit with these pics... so if anyone knows where they are it would be good too.

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I sent these off to Noel Clutterbuck, Ray, and from digging through his old Caversham programmes he seems to think sidecar #4 is piloted by Norm Phillips, and #5 by Ken Dobson, both on BSAs. No passengers listed in those days. So that's a start.... will try a couple of other blokes too.
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 17:09

Hi all,

into druids in the 60's

http://www.flickr.co...N06/5441654937/

Cheers

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#46 picblanc

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 17:15

Has a hose come off?

#47 Herr Wankel

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 17:20

Has a hose come off?

Looks like its peeing petrol

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 17:26

Looks like its peeing petrol

HW


There is another shot in his flikr album Andy.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 17:45

There is another shot in his flikr album Andy.

Yes the hose did come off, could this be the answer to the famous Minter slide?

Cheers

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 19:05

The no 14 BMW looks like Max Duebel . Kevin


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