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#51 dommieracer

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 19:45

The no 14 BMW looks like Max Duebel . Kevin


Pete



Hi Pete,

No its not Duebel, i have pics of him. I cant remember who this one is.

Kevin

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#52 picblanc

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 21:04

Looks like Siggi Schauzu?

#53 dommieracer

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 21:15

Looks like Siggi Schauzu?



Well thats what i thought, its like his style. Now if it was a shot from another view and he was sideways then i would say yes.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 21:32

Looks quite young for Schauzu, but if it's a contemporary pic to the Fath shot, then it's probably 1960. Great pics, Dommie.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 22:20

The one labeled Colin is that Colin Seeley ?

This takes me back to my childhood, Florian Camathias, Fritz Scheidegger, Helmut Fath, i was probably around 12 years old but bike racing mad.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 15:24

Looks quite young for Schauzu, but if it's a contemporary pic to the Fath shot, then it's probably 1960. Great pics, Dommie.



Hi, Fath is right on the other pic although different time to the mystery BMW outfit. Fath would be on his URS at this time. Thanks for the comment, will try to locate more.

#57 dommieracer

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 15:28

The one labeled Colin is that Colin Seeley ?

This takes me back to my childhood, Florian Camathias, Fritz Scheidegger, Helmut Fath, i was probably around 12 years old but bike racing mad.



Hi Pete, yes it's Colin Seeley and you can see this outfit and dad's outfit on the Duke DVD about sidecar champions. Dad is in shot going through the paddock at Mallory for the race of the year, you got the others ok.

How are you keeping?

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#58 GD66

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 21:16

Hi, Fath is right on the other pic although different time to the mystery BMW outfit. Fath would be on his URS at this time. Thanks for the comment, will try to locate more.



I still think it's the Beemer, Dom. BMW roundels on the bike and both helmets.


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Posted 24 February 2011 - 15:45

Hi Pete,

No its not Duebel, i have pics of him. I cant remember who this one is.

Kevin


Kevin, do you remember when and where the pic showing #14 sidecar outfit was taken ? Even Max Deubel is now engaged in the hunt ..

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#60 dommieracer

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 16:31

Kevin, do you remember when and where the pic showing #14 sidecar outfit was taken ? Even Max Deubel is now engaged in the hunt ..

Hi Renn, i must admit that i bought this pic from the small air museum on the Ronaldsway Airport when my wife took me there for my 40th to watch the Manx GP in 08. On the back is Racing Photos IOM, i have a phone number so will ring and find out later.
Say hello to Max for me, he sent my dad a birthday card a couple of years ago for his 70th.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 16:50

Hi Renn, i must admit that i bought this pic from the small air museum on the Ronaldsway Airport when my wife took me there for my 40th to watch the Manx GP in 08. On the back is Racing Photos IOM, i have a phone number so will ring and find out later.
Say hello to Max for me, he sent my dad a birthday card a couple of years ago for his 70th.

Kevin


Pity enough I'm not personally acquainted to Max, but the chap who runs

http://www.eggersdorfer.info/

knows one who knows Max or something like that. Well, we now know for sure where the pic was taken... will keep you informed :wave:

Edit: Just in case you're in this region

http://www.hotel-deubel.de/en

Edited by Rennmax, 24 February 2011 - 18:42.


#62 dommieracer

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 18:37

Whilst on the hunt for info on a sidecar racer, i came across this site. A good selection of photos with autographs from classics through to today.

Kevin

www.motorsportstatistik.com/.../gpsieger.htm


#63 dommieracer

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 18:52

Pity enough I'm not personally acquainted to Max, but the chap who runs

http://www.eggersdorfer.info/

knows one who knows Max or something like that. Well, we now know for sure where the pic was taken... will keep you informed :wave:

Edit: Just in case you're in this region

http://www.hotel-deubel.de/en


Hi Renn, could it be Georg Auerbacher? I must admit i was going by the chin! :p

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 11:02

Hi Renn, could it be Georg Auerbacher? I must admit i was going by the chin! :p

Kevin


That' what I received via Rolf Eggersdorfer

"Hello Rolf,
Ich denke Otto Kölle in GP Spanien in Barcelona 1962;
Er Hat noch nicht gut Farbe auf Verkleidung war erste Renne WM 6 mai.
Sein motor hat "injection" von Fath, Alle renn fahrer sind mit Vergaser
Montjuich Grosse links Curve vor "start-ende" Dieter Hess beifahrer.
Mit viel Grüsse

Claude "


which means that Claude Lambert's tip is Kölle/Hess at Montjuich in '62

Kölle is also Max Deubel's guess

Cheers

#65 GD66

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 11:45

Wow ! Gotta love TNF ! :up:

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 17:32

http://www.p-3motors...12/display/1298

Have a look at this

Its Kolle by the way. :p

Edited by picblanc, 25 February 2011 - 17:33.


#67 dommieracer

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 20:50

Hi all, yes Otto was next on my list, but at 2 am i had enough so went to bed and only just got back from doing a 250+ mile round trip today. PICBLANC, the web you link us to is a good site, i looked at that site for 1965 West German GP for my dad. He has most numbers except number 11, and thats the one i am looking for. Sods law or what! ):

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 21:18

I have this book Called Sieg und Niederlage by Deubel und Horner signed by both.
so I have to go to the Hotel, and have a nice diner there one day?
Memories are made of this...

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 18:17

OK, here's another WWW

http://www.flickr.co...N06/5496996729/

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 19:15

OK, here's another WWW

http://www.flickr.co...N06/5496996729/

Kevin


Arsenius Butscher, Colin Seeley's special friend ?

Edited by Rennmax, 04 March 2011 - 19:27.


#71 dommieracer

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 19:22

Arsenius Butscher, Colin Seeley's special friend ?


Not a friend of my dad either, he rammed my dads chair going into a chicane so stopping my dads passenger from getting out so my dad repaid Butscher by blocking his passenger from leaning on the second half of the chicane. Can you get place or year?

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 19:27

Not a friend of my dad either, he rammed my dads chair going into a chicane so stopping my dads passenger from getting out so my dad repaid Butscher by blocking his passenger from leaning on the second half of the chicane. Can you get place or year?

Kevin


'65 or '66 I guess. Wolfgang Kalauch in the chair ? Eventually he changed to a left hand outfit.

Edited by Rennmax, 04 March 2011 - 19:28.


#73 dommieracer

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:21

'65 or '66 I guess. Wolfgang Kalauch in the chair ? Eventually he changed to a left hand outfit.

65 yes, passenger yes also. :up:

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 21:25

Possibly Colin assumed that different lines which right and left hand outfits may take were the reason for some close encounters, nevertheless it's strange that mostly Butscher was involved when it happened...

Edited by Rennmax, 05 March 2011 - 09:32.


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Posted 05 March 2011 - 15:52

Looks like the hairpin at Rouen.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 20:12

Looks like the hairpin at Rouen.

Spot on :up: 1965 French GP Rouen. My father was in this race, dont know his number, think he finished 10th. This is the meeting that i was on about in tales of the unexpected.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 01:09

Don't know if you have seen this.....I love the hammy commentary by Raymond Baxter. I was wondering if there is any info on "Jenks" I believe he did some car race as navigator to Sterling Moss in Italy.




Joe, there's a stack of stuff on Jenks in amongst the car threads on TNF, just scroll through the thread titles, or go into the search box. But NEVER spell Stirling with an "e" over there, or you will get your entrails flayed by a wide variety of well-meaning but at times snippy pedants... :lol:



One of the best lines I've spotted about dear old Jenks over there was along the lines of...

"Denis Jenkinson was the winner of the 1955 Mille Miglia in a Mercedes driven by a chaffeur ".... :clap:

Edited by GD66, 06 March 2011 - 01:12.


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Posted 06 March 2011 - 20:50

I forgot to say as a young child I saw someone in the IOM can't remeber who it was but a German outfit in red and a very quick pair they may have won, I couldn't believe how he lifted the chair over the pavement and took in effect a solo line. :up:
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Hi Chris, do you remember the year and was it left hand outfit ?

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 21:43

I think it was 70 and a left hander it's so long ago and I was only a kid I remember we went over to see Mick Grant it could have been Bedstead ?


German red left hander, so I think it should be Heinz Luthringshauser

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Thanks for courtesy

Edited by Rennmax, 06 March 2011 - 21:44.


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Posted 06 March 2011 - 22:13

All I can say after seeing this photo is " Hats off to you all" solo bike racing isn't easy so you fellas deserve a big medal each.


Wolfgang Kalauch told me once that the hammering of the kidneys was causing blood in the urine even 2 weeks after the TT

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 09:23

Possibly of interest, Heinz ran a bike museum in a church building (!) and it's still going strong

http://www.motorradm...ingshauser.com/

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 16:15


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Courtesy of 'Paul from Eupen'

#83 dommieracer

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 20:03

Posted Image

Courtesy of 'Paul from Eupen'

Charlie Freeman style paintjob, but not sure he had a solo/bolt on chair.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:41

:up:
Yep, it's Charlie Freeman, presumably with Billie Nelson in the chair

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 12:22

At old, long Spa ?

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 12:48

At old, long Spa ?


Hi Glen, it's at Scarborough, possibly bottom straight ?
May someone who knows the place please tell us ? Thanks

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 16:31

Looks very much like Scarborough with the paddock below the circuit and the gate leading out to the start area. Never seen a photo without the "safety" fence what would be to the left in this shot. Just had it confirmed must be Olivers Mount, she who must be obeyed recognises the white building ;)
Worth a look at http://www.oliversmo...f=circuit&id=21


Thanks for confirmation, I wasn't sure about the section of the circuit :wave:

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 19:32

Didnt Charlie Freeman state that he had the ' Fastest Manx powered outfit in the World'?

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 21:11

Didnt Charlie Freeman state that he had the ' Fastest Manx powered outfit in the World'?

Kevin


He finished in 8th place in the 500 cc sidecar TT on a Norton as late as '70 behind the BMW armada and Owesle on the URS, not bad if he was still campaigning the Manx

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 19:58

OK, name the rider, surname that is.

http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

On this one whats the location?

http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ ok not sidecars so in the wrong thread, sorry


Kevin

Edited by dommieracer, 12 March 2011 - 19:37.


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Posted 12 March 2011 - 22:44

Hi, i hope to add a link to youtube later. ( dont hold your breath) I am trying to upload the 1965 sidecar of the year race from Mallory that may be of interest.

Kevin

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:17

They were very interesting shots all the same.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 19:22

Very short clip of sidecars ?
http://www.youtube.c...u/0/4MI9wGcXcEk
It's those racing car types that intrigue me

Owen Greenwood and that mini special also a morgan by the looks of it.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 19:36

Owen Greenwood and that mini special also a morgan by the looks of it.

Kevin



Probably the ' Mogvin ' , Kevin ??


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Posted 18 March 2011 - 20:17

Here's a clip about Greenwood's machine http://www.britishpa...rd.php?id=44109

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 08:51

Hi guys,
For those that are interested,heres a vid of Roger Dixon winning a race at Mallory in 2006,the year before before he was tragically killed at Jehonville a couple of years back.Some of you may remember him from the TZ750 chair days.Commentary is a bit naff,but the action is good.Don't blink at the start.Enjoy
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Posted 19 March 2011 - 11:37

Here's a clip about Greenwood's machine http://www.britishpa...rd.php?id=44109



Wonder why those guys who didn't want to drive sidecar outfits nevertheless took part in sidecar races ? Was it easier for them to gain success by unfair advantage instead of being consistent and switch to car racing ? :(

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 13:52

I wondered at the time how they got away with this concept. How did they fit in with fellow competitors ?



IIRC , disliked by most , who thought it was cheating :rolleyes: , which it wasn't , as it complied with the rules , as did Rolf Biland's creations in later years , although the FIM created a B2 ? class for him
Chris Vincent was in the process of constructing something when the ACU changed the rules , I believe :well:



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Posted 19 March 2011 - 14:13

IIRC , disliked by most , who thought it was cheating :rolleyes: , which it wasn't , as it complied with the rules , as did Rolf Biland's creations in later years , although the FIM created a B2 ? class for him
Chris Vincent was in the process of constructing something when the ACU changed the rules , I believe :well:


Owen greenwood was a very good conventional chairman before he built the mini.Make a rule and some-one will use it to their advantage!

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 14:15

IIRC , disliked by most , who thought it was cheating :rolleyes: , which it wasn't , as it complied with the rules , as did Rolf Biland's creations in later years , although the FIM created a B2 ? class for him
Chris Vincent was in the process of constructing something when the ACU changed the rules , I believe :well:


Yes I agree, those contraptions complied with the rules which clearly showed the incompetence of the FIM and it's subalterns. Wonder why nobody entered a Formula 3 car with a sack of potatoes as substitute passenger. Rant over