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#51 juandiego

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 21:11

Talking about commentators of La Sexta I really liked Andy Soucek's comments in Spain. The guy doesn't shut his mouth even under the water but speaking fluidly, funnily and making sense and with a lot of technical inputs. In my opinion, that day he overrode clearly the rest.

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#52 prty

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 08:48

Talking about commentators of La Sexta I really liked Andy Soucek's comments in Spain. The guy doesn't shut his mouth even under the water but speaking fluidly, funnily and making sense and with a lot of technical inputs. In my opinion, that day he overrode clearly the rest.


Yes, he was very very good.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 16:05

Yes, he was very very good.


yes he was pretty good, dont like carlos sainz though.


#54 BuzzingHornet

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 16:14

I'm not Spanish but Gene and Sainz sound like a great pair :) They can do the English channels too if they like!

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 16:14

yes he was pretty good, dont like carlos sainz though.


It looks like he is a nice guy, but he doesn't add anything, and his comments are usually boring.

#56 phil1993

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 16:54

Can anyone explain to me why in Spain, the channel that shows F1 isn't available everywhere? Before I went I was informed that the channel was available everywhere in Spain but alas no, I didn't have the channel :(

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 20:39

Can anyone explain to me why in Spain, the channel that shows F1 isn't available everywhere? Before I went I was informed that the channel was available everywhere in Spain but alas no, I didn't have the channel :(

That's strange. As far as I know La Sexta, which has the F1 rights from this season, is available everywhere though there are regions where they also have a regional TV channel broadcasting the F1, therefore they actually have two options in those zones. I'm wondering whether the issue you mention could be owed to the digital casting of the TV signal. The analogical casting of the TV signal is no longer available in Spain but still there are some little odd areas where this digital signal is very poor or non existent.

#58 phil1993

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:36

Yeah, possibly. Where I went was near to Santander. Didn't have F1 on TV.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:20

Yeah, possibly. Where I went was near to Santander. Didn't have F1 on TV.

If it was a shared ariel I'd hazard a guess that it was down to the building's comundiad dragging it's feet about getting an antenista in to sort out it out. I had many a frustrating converstation trying to convince neighbours that it was free and not canal plus, when it was available well before the change over.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:57

Some of us were really worried that with the "loss" of Pedro as commentator for the Spanish TV, Lobato would be left alone saying what he feels like on TV without nobody holding him down when he gets too much... "emotioned" (just to say it without offense). He would probably bash anysingle driver with the exception of those from Hispania Racing, Alonso, Jaime and Pedro of course...

Gee, it sounds like the Australians ...

#61 phil1993

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 11:09

If it was a shared ariel I'd hazard a guess that it was down to the building's comundiad dragging it's feet about getting an antenista in to sort out it out. I had many a frustrating converstation trying to convince neighbours that it was free and not canal plus, when it was available well before the change over.


Oh right, I see. Yeah, its frustrating. I missed Webber's first ever win and I'll be missing Hungary this year. Hopefully I can catch Germany when I'm in France for that weekend (TF1 i think shows it)

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:11

Oh right, I see. Yeah, its frustrating. I missed Webber's first ever win and I'll be missing Hungary this year. Hopefully I can catch Germany when I'm in France for that weekend (TF1 i think shows it)



For the next time, if you have connection to internet, you can watch the race here, in La Sext Deportes web page:

http://www.lasexta.c...extatv/formula1

To skip the commercial breaks in La Sexta, you can go to TV3 and see the race while La Sexta is having its commercials

http://www.tv3.cat/directes

(It's in catalonian)

Anyway, if you want to see the full race in Monaco, you can buy tomorrow the DVD in any papershop. Six days after one GP you can buy the DVD which includes the qualy and the race. The cost is 7,95 euros. It's the same broadcast of La Sexta, but, instead the commercial breaks, you can see here the race without comments in the minutes of the breaks.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 13:51

Sounds like you guys have the Spanish version of SpeedTV....

There are comercials in Spanish TV but at least the race is still showed in a top left part of the screen during them, was it the same in SpeedTV? I heard it wasn't.


For the next time, if you have connection to internet, you can watch the race here, in La Sext Deportes web page:

http://www.lasexta.c...extatv/formula1

To skip the commercial breaks in La Sexta, you can go to TV3 and see the race while La Sexta is having its commercials

Heh (or jej in Spanish (perdona, castellano);)) That's what I'm doing but often the commercials are more or less synchronized between the stations, plus TV3 has really bad commentators, at least recently. And they're too Catalan-drivers centric, more so than La Sexta is Alonso-centric (at times it seems they care more about Schumacher than about Spanish drivers :))

In general I think La Sexta is doing a fair job, certainly better than Polish TV, I even don't mind them pronouncing Kubica wrongly :)


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Posted 21 May 2010 - 16:17

If its in Spanish I don't care about the commentators, I just wanna see it :p

Thanks for the advice guys, just hoping that this year when I go, I can watch the race

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:58

With Gene in Le Mans and Sainz not attending, Soucek again:

http://twitter.com/A...tus/15765023467

So, good news.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 12:28

Great news if true!

http://www.elmundo.e...1290715540.html

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 14:04

Great news if true!

http://www.elmundo.e...1290715540.html


I'm not sure if that's good news. Sure I'd want no adds, but it they can't rentabilise the ridiculous prices they pay for TV rights, they will not buy the rights anymore. So broadcasting F1 would be less attractive to TV stations.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 14:10

I'm not sure if that's good news. Sure I'd want no adds, but it they can't rentabilise the ridiculous prices they pay for TV rights, they will not buy the rights anymore. So broadcasting F1 would be less attractive to TV stations.


i think you are right , if they dont make money why buy the rights, this may make us have to end up paying to be able to watch a race.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 14:15

TV3 has no adds and they are paying for the full package as LaSexta.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 14:19

TV3 has no adds and they are paying for the full package as LaSexta.

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and guess who is paying for tv3 budget , the taxpayer, i prefer la sexta with commercials and free than tv3 with no commercials and my taxes,

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 14:32

Lobato might not be a great expert in F1, but you must give it to the man, at least he puts passion at it. And I like it. :)

Spa 2008 by Lobato


I loved that...and I don't speak a word of spanish!!

The only bit I understood was him saying, alonso's pitted, why?!

To me that's half of what commentary should be - whe it gets more exciting on track it should be reflected by the commentator - tone, volume, excitement in the voice etc. Legard in the UK fails woefully at that.
The other half is the content which I couldn't judge!

What's Lobato like when commentating on hamilton?

the BBC radio team had no idea either...

Brundle was one of the only guys who noticed


Slightly off topic but the last lap/corner commentary by Brundle and JA together was fantastic.
One of the most dramatic moments ever in F1 and they understood immediately what was going on and conveyed that to the (otherwise clueless) viewer and transmitted the excitement etc. top notch.

Edited by robefc, 26 November 2010 - 14:43.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 15:00

the BBC radio team had no idea either...

Brundle was one of the only guys who noticed


James Allen said it as soon as SV passed LH..... he's racing the toyotas.

Edited by jjcale, 26 November 2010 - 15:01.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 15:44

I loved that...and I don't speak a word of spanish!!

The only bit I understood was him saying, alonso's pitted, why?!

To me that's half of what commentary should be - whe it gets more exciting on track it should be reflected by the commentator - tone, volume, excitement in the voice etc. Legard in the UK fails woefully at that.
The other half is the content which I couldn't judge!

What's Lobato like when commentating on hamilton?


He always comments of Hamilton in a negative way.

Lobato is a disgrace as a commentator. For him, there is only a driver, Alonso, and the rest are only a bunch of guys that are there to spoil Alonso's race. During this season, he spent the last races criticizing Red Bull for the team orders that "they were to apply" (and never acknowledged that they didn't or felt sorry for his criticisms). He doesn't mention any other driver except for those in the immediate vicinity of Alonso. For instance, he never commented the races by Kobayashi (that is always described as a banzai driver, indistinguishable from Sato), or even mentions Alguersuari except on a passing way.

At least Jacobo Vega mentions Jaime, Kamui or other midfielders or backmarkers sometimes, and Nira Juanco mentions Vettel in a positive way (he is friendly with her and after the drivers' parade he always answers some questions from her). I don't remember Lobato speaking positively of the brilliant drives by Seb in the last races.

And, of course, in Abu Dhabi, Lobato never criticized Ferrari's strategy. It was everything Petrov's fault, or if not, Weber's fault, He even blamed Schumacher for Alonso's defeat (that should be the vast German conspiracy or something).


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 19:24

I do not agree. He speaks about Hamilton like an enemy, but he praises his huge talent. He generally complains when he brakes the rules and gets no penalty, which has happened sometimes as you know.

He is the Alonso no.1 fanboy but as I say he admires Hamilton's ability.You can feel his great confidence in Fernando but his fear for Hamilton too. It was the other commentator Gonzalo Serrano who was always critizising anyone but Alonso. But he is out since 2008 (God bless).

He makes it passionate and that is his strenght but he needs to be more objective.

And I do not agree about Abu Dhabi, we might have seen a different race. He was simply frustrated when they found out the Reno was way faster in the straight. But did blame Ferrari. Anyway he didn't notice the strategy was wrong until Alonso got behind Petrov.

Everybody complains about him but I haven't see any other race commentator who makes races more interesting than him. Not in MotoGP nor previous F1 commentators. He can improve a lot and he lacks a deep technical knowledge but others have been worse than him.

Edited by Nitropower, 26 November 2010 - 19:27.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 19:24

He always comments of Hamilton in a negative way.

Lobato is a disgrace as a commentator. For him, there is only a driver, Alonso, and the rest are only a bunch of guys that are there to spoil Alonso's race. During this season, he spent the last races criticizing Red Bull for the team orders that "they were to apply" (and never acknowledged that they didn't or felt sorry for his criticisms). He doesn't mention any other driver except for those in the immediate vicinity of Alonso. For instance, he never commented the races by Kobayashi (that is always described as a banzai driver, indistinguishable from Sato), or even mentions Alguersuari except on a passing way.

At least Jacobo Vega mentions Jaime, Kamui or other midfielders or backmarkers sometimes, and Nira Juanco mentions Vettel in a positive way (he is friendly with her and after the drivers' parade he always answers some questions from her). I don't remember Lobato speaking positively of the brilliant drives by Seb in the last races.

And, of course, in Abu Dhabi, Lobato never criticized Ferrari's strategy. It was everything Petrov's fault, or if not, Weber's fault, He even blamed Schumacher for Alonso's defeat (that should be the vast German conspiracy or something).

I disagree. He is obviously biased towards Alonso, but he describes Hamilton as a great driver. He will criticise moves like the Valencia one and side up with those who think Hamilton was being favoured by the FIA by not being penalised sooner, which in my opinion is a bit over the top for a TV commentator even if there is a nationality issue in play. But to say that he is always negative towards the guy is simply not true.

I am not a fan of his because I would prefer to have a more knowledgeable guy doing the talk (even if boring, I would prefer Mr. Rubio!), but I appreciate what other people said here about him commenting for the majority who do not necessarily care that much about the technical details.

Edited by Fontainebleau, 26 November 2010 - 19:25.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 19:37

I couldn't be arsed to elaborate a reply but now I can say I agree with the last two posts :)

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 19:40

After watching local Asturian TV commentators, Lobato looks like Larry King vs Legard.

Edited by Nitropower, 26 November 2010 - 19:41.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 19:58

I do not agree. He speaks about Hamilton like an enemy, but he praises his huge talent.


He does so just reluctantly, and only because he is the arch-enemy. For instance, this year we were mid-season and Lobato kept saying that Hamilton was the enemy to defeat, neglecting both RedBulls.

He generally complains when he brakes the rules and gets no penalty, which has happened sometimes as you know.


If those rules were not in effect when Hamilton "broke" them, but just after it, then there he didn't break any rule. And Lobato's Alonso-centrism is specially annoying when comparing Hamilton punishments with Alonso's. When Hamilton receives a drive-through is a sanction too light; when Alonso tries to do the same as Hamilton's, gaining advantage over Kubica, then a drive-through is too harsh. When Hamilton is punished, the sentence is applied too late and the stewards are voluntarily slow. When Alonso is punished (and the number of laps is almost the same), then they are too swift and unjust.

He is the Alonso no.1 fanboy but as I say he admires Hamilton's ability.You can feel his great confidence in Fernando but his fear for Hamilton too. It was the other commentator Gonzalo Serrano who was always critizising anyone but Alonso. But he is out since 2008 (God bless).


Don't get me started on Serrano. Thank God he's no longer there. But Lobato, not being as obnoxious as Serrano, is as partial to Alonso as Gonzalo.

Another feature of Lobato's comments that make me to want to throw the remote control to the TV is the way that he speaks as "we", e.g. in Spa "Los que decidimos cambiar las ruedas de mojado, hemos salido perjudicados" WTF? Is Lobato planning the strategy of Ferrari and Toro Rosso now? The same in Abu Dhabi "Hemos salido perdiendo con el pitstop".

And I do not agree about Abu Dhabi, we might have seen a different race. He was simply frustrated when they found out the Reno was way faster in the straight. But did blame Ferrari. Anyway he didn't notice the strategy was wrong until Alonso got behind Petrov.


Are you saying that he didn't blame even Schumacher? And no, he didn't acknowledge Ferrari's mistake. He said that the result had been negative (obvious) and kept blaming Petrov (as if Alonso were to pass Rosberg and Kubica) but didn't blame Ferrari (and even less Alonso).

Everybody complains about him but I haven't see any other race commentator who makes races more interesting than him.


There are plenty of them.

Not in MotoGP


Well, that was easy. With Criville being so pro-Pedrosa (after all, he is paid by Repsol) and Noyes saying "wow" there is a lot of room for improvement in the MotoGP commentators.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 21:01

He does so just reluctantly, and only because he is the arch-enemy. For instance, this year we were mid-season and Lobato kept saying that Hamilton was the enemy to defeat, neglecting both RedBulls.


I don't see it reluctantly, he's been fearing Hamilton because untill the super bulls showed up he was perceived as the best rival for Alonso. The same goes for Hamilton fans, they perceived Alonso as the biggest enemy so far. Cool for the sport.

If those rules were not in effect when Hamilton "broke" them, but just after it, then there he didn't break any rule. And Lobato's Alonso-centrism is specially annoying when comparing Hamilton punishments with Alonso's. When Hamilton receives a drive-through is a sanction too light; when Alonso tries to do the same as Hamilton's, gaining advantage over Kubica, then a drive-through is too harsh. When Hamilton is punished, the sentence is applied too late and the stewards are voluntarily slow. When Alonso is punished (and the number of laps is almost the same), then they are too swift and unjust.


Of course. So qualifyng with less fuel than enough or getting craned or causing a crash in Fuji etc. etc. was not against the rules?. He's been punished but he's been relieved from any guilt or sporting penalty 35-40% of the times too. As for drive through penalties, I'll get back into context. Silverstone, lap 17. Alonso overtakes Kubica cutting the chicane. As proved by radio conversations Ferrari are not confirmed if Alonso must give back position since he has already overtaken another car and Kubica is going so much slower. Lap 19, Kubica goes like a turtle and lap 20 he retires. Lap 27, drive through penalty confirmed. 16 minutes have passed since Alonso overtook Kubica. Valencia, lap 10. SC deployed after Webber flies in the air and crashes. Hamilton finds the SC going out and goes slower and you can't deny he goes side by side slower than normal. Maybe he wanted to keep Alonso behind the SC, maybe he was confused, you decide. Lap 10 Hamilton pits. Lap 11 Alonso pits. Before pitting they were 2nd and 3d with Alonso right behind Hamilton. After the pits they are 2nd and 11th. Lap 25, drive through penalty for Hamilton.

That is 14 laps (with SC) for Lewis vs 10 laps for Alonso. That is almost 30 minutes to give a penalty vs 16 minutes. 30 minutes that let Hamilton open a gap so the penalty has no effect. Yes, Lobato was right to critizise the FIA. He never said they were "voluntarily slow", he said it was a disgrace how differently they managed both situations.

Don't get me started on Serrano. Thank God he's no longer there. But Lobato, not being as obnoxious as Serrano, is as partial to Alonso as Gonzalo.


Not for me, and that is one of the main reasons why Serrano is no longer commenting.


Another feature of Lobato's comments that make me to want to throw the remote control to the TV is the way that he speaks as "we", e.g. in Spa "Los que decidimos cambiar las ruedas de mojado, hemos salido perjudicados" WTF? Is Lobato planning the strategy of Ferrari and Toro Rosso now? The same in Abu Dhabi "Hemos salido perdiendo con el pitstop".


What's so wrong with that? When you see a basketball game local comentators support the local player. When you see a tennis game they support the local player. If you have a local driver with a shot at the championship, why shouldn't you feel involved into it? Maybe you do not support Alonso because you don't like his persona or whatever. The fact is most viewers do watch it because of him, like it or not. Otherwise the share would be 5% like it used to be pre-Alonso. Why not support Alguersuari? It's not they not support him it's only he usually is a backmarker because he drives in Toro Rosso. When Alonso drove for Minardi no one gave a damn about him.

Are you saying that he didn't blame even Schumacher? And no, he didn't acknowledge Ferrari's mistake. He said that the result had been negative (obvious) and kept blaming Petrov (as if Alonso were to pass Rosberg and Kubica) but didn't blame Ferrari (and even less Alonso).


Come on... he only said "had not Schumacher crashed"... it is true, the SC would have not been deployed, the gap wouldn't have disappeared, it was like a vicious circle. He didn't say it was Schumacher's fault. Of course he blamed Petrov, not as if Petrov had done anything wrong, just mentioned he defended so well and his car was so quick in the straights it was impossible to overtake him. And then he said it almost didn't matter if he passed Petrov because he would find the same odissey when meeting Rosberg, and Kubica later on.... you know, after the race everyone recalls facts and not would haves, and the fact is it was Petrov who prevented Alonso from overtaking gaining vital positions.

But, you know, it is my opinion. I agree he is very biased towards Alonso but I didn't see him putting the blame on anyone but bad luck and Ferrari. Which was pretty much the truth.

Edited by Nitropower, 26 November 2010 - 21:11.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 23:03

I do not agree. He speaks about Hamilton like an enemy, but he praises his huge talent. He generally complains when he brakes the rules and gets no penalty, which has happened sometimes as you know.

He is the Alonso no.1 fanboy but as I say he admires Hamilton's ability.You can feel his great confidence in Fernando but his fear for Hamilton too. It was the other commentator Gonzalo Serrano who was always critizising anyone but Alonso. But he is out since 2008 (God bless).

He makes it passionate and that is his strenght but he needs to be more objective.

And I do not agree about Abu Dhabi, we might have seen a different race. He was simply frustrated when they found out the Reno was way faster in the straight. But did blame Ferrari. Anyway he didn't notice the strategy was wrong until Alonso got behind Petrov.

Everybody complains about him but I haven't see any other race commentator who makes races more interesting than him. Not in MotoGP nor previous F1 commentators. He can improve a lot and he lacks a deep technical knowledge but others have been worse than him.



i agree with your comments, the quality really got better when they got rid of gonzalo serrano, really enjoyed andy soucek, didnt like carlos sainz though

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 23:23

i agree with your comments, the quality really got better when they got rid of gonzalo serrano, really enjoyed andy soucek, didnt like carlos sainz though


That reminds me Alonso started doing well when Sainz wasn't in the transmissions. In fact I think he lost the WDC because they showed an image of Sainz in the race buildup :lol:


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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:04

That reminds me Alonso started doing well when Sainz wasn't in the transmissions. In fact I think he lost the WDC because they showed an image of Sainz in the race buildup :lol:


:rotfl: True! Alonso started winning and being on top after Silverstone. Accidentally, that was Carlos Sainz last race as a commentator, wasn't it?

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 11:14

LaSexta has announced that F1 will be broadcast in HD. Good news I guess.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 08:56

Friday FPs and GP2 saturday race on MarcaTV with Javier Rubio and Andy Soucek

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:25

Friday FPs and GP2 saturday race on MarcaTV with Javier Rubio and Andy Soucek

I very much enjoy Javier Rubio's articles on F1, if he makes the TV broadcasts as interesting this is very good news indeed.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:29

LaSexta has announced that F1 will be broadcast in HD. Good news I guess.

:up: very good and I can enjoy it!

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 14:36

La Sexta has announced Gené and De La Rosa for this season. Not a surprise but glad they've rid of Sainz.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 15:04

Nice but I don't know if this is a good idea, with those two and Lobato, Jacobo is going to speak close to none.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 15:39

Friday FPs and GP2 saturday race on MarcaTV with Javier Rubio and Andy Soucek


:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Soucek completely amazed me last year. It was the first time ever that the guy in the commentary box was reacting to the events on track FASTER than me :lol: De la Rosa and Gené are both good (I feel Pedro is a better comentator, but Marc is more informative), but Soucek was on another level.

I haven't really complained about the Spanish broadcastings ever since they dropped Serrano. I fully understand the need for a Murray-like commentator, and for all the times that I've wanted to punch Lobato, I must acknowledge that the guy is passionate about Formula 1. I just can't hate a guy who puts so much energy and effort in the sport I've loved since I was 12. It's not that easy to be the lead commentator: James Allen is even more passionate and much more knowledgeable than Lobato (his blog is a must-read), but most people in Britain felt that he overdid it (although they started to miss him when Legard took over :rotfl: ).

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 16:12

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Soucek completely amazed me last year. It was the first time ever that the guy in the commentary box was reacting to the events on track FASTER than me :lol: De la Rosa and Gené are both good (I feel Pedro is a better comentator, but Marc is more informative), but Soucek was on another level.

I haven't really complained about the Spanish broadcastings ever since they dropped Serrano. I fully understand the need for a Murray-like commentator, and for all the times that I've wanted to punch Lobato, I must acknowledge that the guy is passionate about Formula 1. I just can't hate a guy who puts so much energy and effort in the sport I've loved since I was 12. It's not that easy to be the lead commentator: James Allen is even more passionate and much more knowledgeable than Lobato (his blog is a must-read), but most people in Britain felt that he overdid it (although they started to miss him when Legard took over :rotfl: ).



Can i just correct a misconception :lol:

Some may have missed JA, some of us still cant quite believe he's gone, and are only now beginning to exhale and feel comfortable again. :) :lol:


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Posted 25 March 2011 - 12:24

For those lucky to have Canal+ HD you can watch Indycar opener on Sunday at 19.30.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 13:35

the BBC radio team had no idea either...

Brundle was one of the only guys who noticed


I was following the race on Betfair (real time betting). I entered a bet for Hamilton just before the pass when Glocks car was in shot running wide and slow.
All the teams and some commentators had the added benefit of the track position screen so there was no excuse not to see what was about to happen.
My bet was processed just as Hamilton passed and looking at the trading volumes so did many others who were paying attention. I guess when large amounts of ones own money are at stake reactions are faster !!

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 13:40

I was following the race on Betfair (real time betting). I entered a bet for Hamilton just before the pass when Glocks car was in shot running wide and slow.
All the teams and some commentators had the added benefit of the track position screen so there was no excuse not to see what was about to happen.
My bet was processed just as Hamilton passed and looking at the trading volumes so did many others who were paying attention. I guess when large amounts of ones own money are at stake reactions are faster !!


+1. I also recall Brundle commenting on Glock almost grinding to a halt in the last lap because he stayed out on racing slicks during a down pour.....and suggesting that Hamilton was gonna catch him......and of course storming through to a well deserved F1 championship win!


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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:44

La Sexta won't air F1 this year because they can't afford the license anymore:

http://www.publico.e...-los-operadores
http://twitter.com/#!/alobatof1/status...452576950951937
http://twitter.com/#!/alobatof1/status...453489593753600

So, no F1 in Spanish TV this year?

Edited by prty, 26 January 2012 - 08:45.


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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:18

La Sexta won't air F1 this year because they can't afford the license anymore:

http://www.publico.e...-los-operadores
http://twitter.com/#!/alobatof1/status...452576950951937
http://twitter.com/#!/alobatof1/status...453489593753600

So, no F1 in Spanish TV this year?


Or in some pay per view like Digital+.

It seems that Antena 3, current owner of la sexta, is not interested in F1. TVE, the ideal option, has to be discarded due to the cost cuttings. The same for the autonomic channels (even TV3 is thinking of not showing the F1 this year). So, if we want to see it open, it has to be Telecinco or nothing.

I'm afraid we can say that due to the high prices, we won't see F1 in the Spanish television this year (or the next ones). Thanks, Bernie!

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:34

I'm pretty sure we will see the races in Antena 3, let's wait for February 6th.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:45

If I remember well, Telecinco got furious back in 2007 when Mediapro made Bernie (or Briatore) the offer for the rights.

The reason for that was that Mediapro offer was ridiculously high and nobody else could fight for the rights because it was going to be impossible to anybody to broadcast F1 in a profitable way. With the hindsight of time, it seems they were right.

I'm a lucky person and usually watch F1 in RTL via satellite, but I remember very well the time when in Spain it was impossible to watch the races and I had to wait 2 days until the foreign press was in the newspaper stands to get to know who had won. I hope somebody manages to get the rights and we don't go back to such a situation, it would be a shame.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:46

I'm pretty sure we will see the races in Antena 3, let's wait for February 6th.


I doubt it. For Antena 3 to show the F1, la sexta/Mediapro wouldn't need to sell the rights publicly, since Antena 3 bought la sexta, including its television rights. Even more, Antena3 has expressed that the F1 is too expensive and the main cause of la sexta's losses.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:26

I doubt it. For Antena 3 to show the F1, la sexta/Mediapro wouldn't need to sell the rights publicly, since Antena 3 bought la sexta, including its television rights. Even more, Antena3 has expressed that the F1 is too expensive and the main cause of la sexta's losses.


There is some legal stuff going on, it's not that simple, everything points (according to some journos) that A3 will show the races keeping the same team from La Sexta.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:41

There is some legal stuff going on, it's not that simple, everything points (according to some journos) that A3 will show the races keeping the same team from La Sexta.


You are right. Vertele explains it in more detail

http://www.vertele.c...ago-de-lasexta/

La Fórmula 1, a subasta por impago de laSexta

Las pérdidas de la cadena de Imagina le impiden cumplir el contrato con Mediapro, que saca a mercado las dos temporadas restantes. Los 'novios': Antena 3 y Mediaset. Si no se adjudica, irá al pasivo de laSexta. En junio salen también los derechos de la Liga.
26.01.2012

LaSexta se queda sin Fórmula 1 porque no puede pagarla. Mediapro, propietaria de los derechos, no tiene más remedio que sacar a subasta las dos temporadas que restaban para concluir el contrato con la cadena de Imagina, según publica hoy el diario El Mundo, por impago.

La situación que se plantea es curiosa porque su socio en la futura fusión, Antena 3, no puede socorrer a laSexta porque los órganos reguladores – la CNMV y Competencia- aún no han dado luz verde a la operación de fusión, que concluirá en la creación del nuevo grupo. Antena 3, por tanto, competirá en situación de igualdad, si aspira a tener los derechos, con Mediaset.

Lo que queda por pagar son alrededor de 25 millones por temporada, alrededor de 50 para las dos temporadas que restan, a pesar de que otras fuentes apuntan a que la cantidad que debiera pagar laSexta son 45 millones por temporada. El hermetismo alrededor de los contratos impide saber con certeza la cantidad exacta de la deuda, aunque Vertele considera que está más cerca de los 25 millones que de los 40 .

Mediapro arrebató los derechos de emisión del Mundial de Fórmula 1 a Mediaset en 2007, y se hizo con ellos por cinco temporadas, desde 2009 hasta 2013. La marcha negativa de la publicidad provocada por la crisis económica, ha agravado los malos resultados de laSexta, que podría haber perdido alrededor de 40 millones en el ejercicio de 2011, lo que le impide hacer frente a sus compromisos contractuales.

En el próximo mes de junio saldrán también a subasta los derechos que tiene la cadena para emitir un partido en abierto de la Liga española. En ambos contratos tenía una alianza estratégica con las cadenas públicas autonómicas, que también están padeciendo una situación de aguda asfixia financiera.

Los novios: Antena 3 y Mediaset

La abultada cifra que se exige por la emisión de la Fórmula 1 en España sugiere que las únicas cadenas que podrán pujar por los derechos serán Antena 3 y Mediaset.

Los dos grupos tienen pros y contras para optar a la Fórmula 1: la cadena de Berlusconi ya ha comprometido 70 millones por la Eurocopa 2012 y otros 25 por la emisión del Mundial de Motociclismo, con lo cual el dinero disponible para otros eventos deportivos es muy limitado.

En el caso de la cadena de Planeta, este tipo de contratos no generan entusiasmo en su consejero-delegado Silvio González, muy pragmático en sus compras, solo justificadas por la rentabilidad que pudieran aportar a la cadena. Si la cifra es muy abultada, seguramente Antena 3 no entrará al trapo y dejará que el concurso sea adjudicado a Telecinco o se quede desierto.

Si no se adjudica, va al pasivo de laSexta

Si al final ni Antena 3 ni Mediaset adquieren los derechos, pasarán al pasivo de laSexta, con lo cual pasarán indirectamente a la cuenta de resultados del grupo fusionado Antena 3, con lo que se podrían explotar en el futuro en el canal de Planeta.

Antonio Lobato confirma la noticia a sus seguidores en Twitter

El rostro más representativo de la Fórmula 1 en nuestro país, Antonio Lobato, que se encargó de las retransmisiones primero en Telecinco y luego fue fichado por laSexta para garantizarse una línea continuista y no perder fieles, ha confirmado a través de su Twitter la noticia:

El periodista ha comentado "Buenos días. Como va a ser el tema del día... os confirmo que es cierto, La Sexta ya no tiene los derechos de la F1", "Ahora Mediapro abre un concurso público para ver qué operador está interesado en comprar los derechos".