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#5051 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 12:07

Is there any chance this thread will ever return to a vaguely sensible discussion of the topic? Or is it now okay for a handful of yobs to derail threads to drive others away and prevent discussion at will?


Every thread on whichever subject takes on a different life form of its own and goes off into a different tanget.

Example: the "James Allen on salaries" thread turned into a discussion about how accurate the horsepower figures were for the Turbo cars of the 1980's.

This thread too has become a baiting thread, the anti-Schumacher contingent doing what they can do wind up the Schumacher hard-core and vice versa.

It's unfortunate, but we expected nothing less.

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#5052 GoRacing

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 13:32

Could anyone please let me know whether MS was on hard tyres or softs?

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 13:41

hard on his fastest lap at least. They split the approach again. MS uses much less wing than Rosberg which pays off in S1/S3 and top speed.
Makes sense as he must be able to overtake a few cars on sunday.

Edited by Urawa, 27 August 2010 - 13:42.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 13:42

Could anyone please let me know whether MS was on hard tyres or softs?

His fastest lap was with hard. Last stint I don't know, but he slow down in middle sector because of Sakon.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 14:02

hard on his fastest lap at least. They split the approach again. MS uses much less wing than Rosberg which pays off in S1/S3 and top speed.
Makes sense as he must be able to overtake a few cars on sunday.


thanks, yes, that makes sense.

#5056 aditya-now

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 02:33

Yup, I also count Sakon Yamamoto amongst the top drivers in F1 too.

It certainly doesn't get better than that. Rubens must have been absolutely over-awed by his presence.

:D


It seems that also Joe Saward is on the blacklist of the Schumacher fans:

http://joesaward.wor...pa-in-the-rain/


Concering Yamamoto: why discount any of the 14 drivers that came to Rubinho´s party? They had the grace of accepting the invitation. If you look at old pictures from the 1960s you see how often the drivers were together, like a family or fraternity. Sadly this oneness is gone from the sport.

In 1982 Lauda and Pironi managed to get all the drivers stay together in a hotel for more than 24 hours in Kyalami - nowadays the first who would run away and go his own ways is Michael Schumacher. Right from the beginning of his career his actions stated that he has only his own interests in mind, forget the others.
These drivers also have their own interest in mind, but at least they have the decency to attend the celebration of the longest active driver in the history of the sport. Cue back to 1982 and the 1960s - I like to see the guys together.

Edited by aditya-now, 28 August 2010 - 02:34.


#5057 aditya-now

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 02:34

Yup, I also count Sakon Yamamoto amongst the top drivers in F1 too.

It certainly doesn't get better than that. Rubens must have been absolutely over-awed by his presence.

:D


It seems that also Joe Saward is on the blacklist of the Schumacher fans:

http://joesaward.wor...pa-in-the-rain/


Concering Yamamoto: why discount any of the 14 drivers that came to Rubinho´s party? They had the grace of accepting the invitation. If you look at old pictures from the 1960s you see how often the drivers were together, like a family or fraternity. Sadly this oneness is gone from the sport.

In 1982 Lauda and Pironi managed to get all the drivers stay together in a hotel for more than 24 hours in Kyalami - nowadays the first who would run away and go his own ways is Michael Schumacher. Right from the beginning of his career his actions stated that he has only his own interests in mind, forget the others.
These drivers also have their own interest in mind, but at least they have the decency to attend the celebration of the longest active driver in the history of the sport. Cue back to 1982 and the 1960s - I like to see the guys together.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 03:07

The GPDA was reformed over the weekend of the 1994 Monaco Grand Prix, following the deaths of Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger, as well as the serious accident of Rubens Barrichello, at the San Marino Grand Prix two weeks earlier (the drivers had proposed its reformation in the drivers' briefing on the morning of the race in San Marino, with Senna being appointed one of its directors just hours before his death).
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yep only cares about himself alright, he didnt donate 10's of millions to the tsunami fund aswell as big donations to other charities because hes evil :rolleyes:


you cant bash him for practice 1 & 2 so you have to dig something else up, isnt it funny how the schumacher and schumacher vs rosberg thread stays quiet when hes doing alright

#5059 aditya-now

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 04:25

you cant bash him for practice 1 & 2 so you have to dig something else up, isnt it funny how the schumacher and schumacher vs rosberg thread stays quiet when hes doing alright


Isn´t it funny how Michael cannot even make the human gesture of visiting Rubens´record party - after all, Rubens was his loyal foot soldier for six years.
Ah, right, Michael wants to celebrate only himself, not others.

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#5060 baddog

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 04:56

Michael and Rubens are no friends and have not got along for many years.. it would be sheer hypocrisy to turn up with a fake grin, and would also probably be quite unwelcome at Rubens' party.. You for one would have called him an attention whore trying to steal Rubens' thunder. But then you are just lashing out randonly at this point.

Come on, Jacques could be back in F1 soon.. isnt that something positive for you to focus on instead of still obsessing over your arch-demon Michael 13 years later?

#5061 pRy

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:37

Very open and interesting Schumacher interview on BBC pre-qualifying. A good watch if you can see it.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:49

Very open and interesting Schumacher interview on BBC pre-qualifying. A good watch if you can see it.

What he said in short?


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:50

Very open and interesting Schumacher interview on BBC pre-qualifying. A good watch if you can see it.

Damn missed it, did he say some interesting stuff?

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:57

What he said in short?


Explaining his motivation for coming back.. not for the "rush" as DC suggested but due to circumstances and him being fresh now. He said during races he doesn't feel a rush, he is just focussing on getting the maximum out of the car. He suggested the idea he can be as fit/mentally quick as the young drivers isn't possible due to physics and he isn't sure if he is slower or how much slower. He thinks in races he is right up with them on pace. He remarked on 300 races as DC said if he hadn't retired he would have more than 300 races. He says it isn't the number of races that counts it's what you do in them that matters.

He seems to think he can still win however. It's clear he has a lot resting on next years car.

It was very open and honest. Worth seeing if you can find it anywhere. Hope I got the details right.

Edited by pRy, 28 August 2010 - 11:58.


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:00

Explaining his motivation for coming back.. not for the "rush" as DC suggested but due to circumstances and him being fresh now. He said during races he doesn't feel a rush, he is just focussing on getting the maximum out of the car. He suggested the idea he can be as fit/mentally quick as the young drivers isn't possible due to physics and he isn't sure if he is slower or how much slower. He thinks in races he is right up with them on pace. He remarked on 300 races as DC said if he hadn't retired he would have more than 300 races. He says it isn't the number of races that counts it's what you do in them that matters.

He seems to think he can still win however. It's clear he has a lot resting on next years car.

It was very open and honest. Worth seeing if you can find it anywhere. Hope I got the details right.

Thanks.


#5066 aditya-now

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:51

.... You for one would have called him an attention whore trying to steal Rubens' thunder. But then you are just lashing out randonly at this point.

Come on, Jacques could be back in F1 soon.. isnt that something positive for you to focus on instead of still obsessing over your arch-demon Michael 13 years later?


It´s interesting that you seemed to know how I would have called him - wouldn´t it have been possible that I would have raveled in Schumi at least making a human gesture?

To qualifying: first time I see consistently the old Schumacher spirit, it´s a pity that exactly now in this race Schumacher has to deal with the 10 place grid penalty. But then - even as he has to start from the back of the grid, he could present us with a classic race if and when the conditions are changeable on Sunday.

Yes, thanks for reminding me of that, baddog, great to possibly have Jacques back in F1. That Michael is an "arch-demon" has nothing to do with Jacques by the way, it´s all Michael´s own doing.


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:54

MSC apparently ran into traffic on his last Q2 lap. Can this guy get a break? Not that its going to make much difference in this qualy with his 10 grid place penalty.

Edited by Sof1, 28 August 2010 - 12:55.


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:55

The traffic being Rosberg. Stupid Merc.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:56

byronf1:
It was not Schumacher's fault this time, he got caught in traffic on his final run in the dry. Team apologised to him on the radio


Go MGP! They always seem to **** it up for MSC.

#5070 aditya-now

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:57

The traffic being Rosberg. Stupid Merc.


His engineer excused to him for having him run into traffic. Sometimes it really seems like a conspiracy against Michael. Then again, it might be Michael´s own karma catching up with him...

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:58

Go MGP! They always seem to **** it up for MSC.



Rosberg has wrecked MS lap twice so far this year its not impressive.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:59

At least MSC showed his clear dominance over Barbie this qualy.

:p

Edited by Sof1, 28 August 2010 - 13:00.


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:00

Why they run together? Michael time from his fast sectors is 1:47.5 . He lost in middle sector 0,2 from his last run. 46,9 to 47,1 .


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:01

Then again, it might be Michael´s own karma catching up with him...


Well, at some point it has to get better and work in favour of MSC. Because nothing has gone his way this year.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:04

But, still he show good form for now. :)

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:11

Top 10 was possible, not the first time Mercedes let their drivers race so close to each other. Stupid.

Edited by Urawa, 28 August 2010 - 13:12.


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:26

It´s interesting that you seemed to know how I would have called him - wouldn´t it have been possible that I would have raveled in Schumi at least making a human gesture?

Maybe you wou... Nah you would have bitched him out, admit it.

Back on topic, from his big 'moment' in practice in Eau Rouge was evident that he really is not going to let Spa pass without making some kind of impression, and who can be surprised by that, everyone has an ego! Seems to still have it around here anyway, definitely a little more spark there, albeit that there isnt really anything in the car.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:27

. He remarked on 300 races as DC said if he hadn't retired he would have more than 300 races. He says it isn't the number of races that counts it's what you do in them that matters.


Ah, envious of Rubens....

Of course, it´s Michael´s nature, he just cannot give due applause to someone else doing something good. Instead it has to be "....what you do in them (300 races) is what matters...."

He is just so endearing.


#5079 aditya-now

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:28

Maybe you wou... Nah you would have bitched him out, admit it.


See, baddog, even with his interview with DC Michael has shown his true colors again. Has nothing to do with me bitching him out. He serves one after the other on a silver tray....

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:29

But, still he show good form for now. :)


Absolutely, if the conditions tomorrow are changeable Michael and Fernando will show a cracking race!


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:30

Ah, envious of Rubens....

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
joke of the century
michael envious on...rubens

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:39

If Michael get in top 10 tomorrow will be success. Something like a win for him.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:39

Rubens jumped ships and made Williams [privat] overtake Mercedes [factory team] in the development race.
And Spa is a "Mercedes" track.
Shame on you Schumy & Merc. :o



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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:47

Rubens jumped ships and made Williams [privat] overtake Mercedes [factory team] in the development race.
And Spa is a "Mercedes" track.
Shame on you Schumy & Merc. :o

Shame Rubens couldn't work his development magic at Brawn last year.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:49

Shame Rubens couldn't work his development magic at Brawn last year.


Who won both titles again in 2009?

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:49

Ah, envious of Rubens....

Of course, it´s Michael´s nature, he just cannot give due applause to someone else doing something good. Instead it has to be "....what you do in them (300 races) is what matters...."

He is just so endearing.


You offer anybody Michaels career or Rubens and see who's gets snapped up a hell of alot faster. I'd rather race 100 races and be a contender, then race 300 and be the also ran who never really amounted to anything.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:54

Who won both titles again in 2009?

Rubens' team mate, by winning six out of the first seven races before Brawn got out-developed by Red Bull.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:56

Who won both titles again in 2009?

who were extremly lucky in 2009? you speak as if brawn kept up with the development pace when every race almost every team were catching them

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:37

You offer anybody Michaels career or Rubens and see who's gets snapped up a hell of alot faster. I'd rather race 100 races and be a contender, then race 300 and be the also ran who never really amounted to anything.


You're right, this Rubens love is getting so irritating by the day. That guy knows nothing but to cry and whine all the time. He got beaten by Jenson to the WDC last year, there are no points or championships awarded for crying or whining, he will for ever be an also ran.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:43

who were extremly lucky in 2009? you speak as if brawn kept up with the development pace when every race almost every team were catching them


Extremely lucky? They won 6 of the first 7 races with a car that didnt even have an engine 7 weeks before the start of the season!!! Please get some perspective!!
Rubens might not be a 7 times world champ but is being hailed for his technical know how by all his former team bosses like Ross Brawn.

#5091 MCh000

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 15:40

Did Michael receive a new chassis?

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 15:50

Did Michael receive a new chassis?

I think so(that was the plan), maybe his other chassis was broken again.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:30

Isn´t it funny how Michael cannot even make the human gesture of visiting Rubens´record party - after all, Rubens was his loyal foot soldier for six years.
Ah, right, Michael wants to celebrate only himself, not others.


And why shouldn't he?

Schumacher - 91 wins, 7 WDC's, smashed every record in the book that is worth smashing.


I'd be pretty smug with a record like that too.

On the other hand, Barrichello, 300 GP's, no WDC's, no records (bar the 300 GP one). All he has is a chip on his shoulder, psychological torment from his Ferrari years and a nice smile to show for it all.



(you know I'm only having a laugh with you, Adiya :up: :D )

#5094 GoRacing

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:35

Isn´t it funny how Michael cannot even make the human gesture of visiting Rubens´record party - after all, Rubens was his loyal foot soldier for six years.
Ah, right, Michael wants to celebrate only himself, not others.


What nonsense is this, are MS and Rubens in love or something according to you??? Maybe you should go give Rubens a hug and a kiss.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:41

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
joke of the century
michael envious on...rubens



Rubens 7th
Michael 11th

Interesting to see the comparison where Barrichello took Williams in development this year and where Michael took Mercedes in development this year.
Come to think of it, Michael won all his WDCs with Ferrari while Rubens was his teammate....after Rubens left Ferrari, Michael did not cut it anymore.

Jenson became WDC last year, again with Rubens doing the development work.

So while it is clear that Rubens is not a driver of WDC calibre, he is a pretty good developer and team worker. It´s great to see Williams on the up after 5 years in the doldrums, and it is telling to see where Mercedes is going within the same span of time with Michael doing the development at Merc....

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:47

You offer anybody Michaels career or Rubens and see who's gets snapped up a hell of alot faster. I'd rather race 100 races and be a contender, then race 300 and be the also ran who never really amounted to anything.



Technically, he was a contender last year. Ruben's problem is that he lacks the killer instinct. I think talent wise, he is right there. Beyond a certain point it becomes more about mental make up than raw talent. See how Webber reacted to team orders this year. That is how I would expect someone who had the potential to be WDC to act. Can you imagine Prost, Senna, Mansell, Mika, MS (1999 does not count as he was out of contention when he moved over for Irvine), Alonso, Lewis etc to move over when it is obvious they had the best car and they would be contenders for the WDC?

Never would happen. There are probably many little similar concessions that he has made throughout his career that resulted in his current position.

That said, it would not have hurt MS to show some class to another competitor...but then he realy has never done so without it benefiting him in the end. Not that this is abnormal for F1 drivers.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:49

OMG too funny. Seriously???? Rubens bring Williams up the grid in 6 months! LOL..

Post Newey Era, williams has been and continue to be a mid-pack team. If they get their engineering team back into shape, the definitely have the know-how to get back to the front and winning again.. This years success has more to do with the building upon the 09 car and also the fact that the Merc and Renault haven't lived up to expections so it's making Williams look better.



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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:50

Rubens 7th
Michael 11th

Interesting to see the comparison where Barrichello took Williams in development this year and where Michael took Mercedes in development this year.

That's an appallingly poor argument, and you know it.

#5099 aditya-now

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:53

That's an appallingly poor argument, and you know it.


I don´t think so. I think there is more behind it than you would like to think of. Rubens impresses me a lot this year, Michael disappoints a lot this year, both on track and off track.


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 16:57

That's an appallingly poor argument, and you know it.


It's not even an argument, it's pure 100% trolling.