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#5151 black magic

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:50

well should silence the bring back heidfield brigade

any rookie who at spa started 21 and ended 7th would have got good dibs and would have been runner for drive of the day - except on bbc of course

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#5152 as65p

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 08:19

It's funny how the game is totally reversed compared to MS' first career. Rosberg always seems to put one over him, even on his better days, just like MS used to back then.

All in all a good race from him, he certainly deserves a place in the current field - only that the "Rosberg problem" won't go away, not even if MGP builds a rocket ship for 2011.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 08:46

That's a great interview. He's obviously relaxed and having fun. When asked about the two little things with Rosberg, he was very chilled. :up:


I thought it was very much typical Schumacher.
"He hit my rear tire"
How could Rosberg hit MS tire when the only thing Rosberg did
was get back to the racing line? (which he had every right to)

It was a racing incident but it´s so typical of Schumacher to be
this arrogant bloke whom can´t do anything wrong, it´s always
somebody´s else fault.

What about: I touched his front wing unfortunately when I saw the oppurtunity to pass
him, but that´s racing

#5154 man

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:27

I'm not really sure why M Schumacher fanatics are patting themselves on the back for a "good job". Let's bring some realism here, it wasn't a particularly good drive, he kept out of trouble, yes, and he didn't do any thing reckless which was nice for all concerned but this 21st to 7th business needs some perspective. He inherited his position from incidents rather than impressive driving. Roberto Moreno brought his AGS home in 6th position at the 1987 Australian GP you know ;-) M Schumachers performance was nothing to write home about. He was beaten for racecraft again by his teammate who had a damaged wing for much of the race. All in all, M Schumachers performance wasn't shameful but it certainly wasn't top class either. Rosberg with a damaged wing and a car that was set-up for full wet conditions maintained a 2 sec gap when it was dry. That is a cause for concern.

As for Rosberg, again it seems like what ever M Schumacher tries to do, Rosberg always seems to put him back into his place as the second driver of the team. This gives the impression that although M Schumacher is giving 100 percent as he always has done through his career, Rosberg seems to be driving within himself. If you remember when Wurz came into F1 it gave both Alesi and Berger a bit of a wake up call. Berger suddenly came back an showed his old spark at Hockenheim. Niccos father Keke did the same thing as Wurz when he arrived in F1. I think perhaps a Genuinely fast top driver in te other Mercedes could see Rosberg in a different light. Thus far the jury is out, he is better than M Schumacher yes, but I'm not sure if he could be respectable alongside a Vettel, Webber let alone Alonso or Hamilton. Things seem just a bit too easy for him there and he needs to be pushed.

#5155 hansmann

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:29

I thought it was very much typical Schumacher.

What about: I touched his front wing unfortunately when I saw the oppurtunity to pass
him, but that´s racing


I think it was an unfortunate, minor racing incident, and nothing MS could have done to avoid it; he had to make the move, and did it well, Nico moved back on track a tad too far, but was in a tight spot after recovering from his misshap.

So I think technically Nico hit Michael, who was on the other hand not giving much room, but under the circumstances neither driver was being naughty or making a silly mistake - just good racing on the edge .

Nico's later overtaking of MS made me smile, even though I favor Michael, but a bold, smooth move by the youngster, maybe a little naughty there.

Michael took it in good spirit, no sore looser for sure ; that is, if you want to call him a looser at all after this excellent drive . ;)

#5156 Polle

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:37

I thought it was very much typical Schumacher.
"He hit my rear tire"
How could Rosberg hit MS tire when the only thing Rosberg did
was get back to the racing line? (which he had every right to)

It was a racing incident but it´s so typical of Schumacher to be
this arrogant bloke whom can´t do anything wrong, it´s always
somebody´s else fault.

What about: I touched his front wing unfortunately when I saw the oppurtunity to pass
him, but that´s racing



I don't see anything in this which suggests he can do no wrong. The clipping of the wing is debatable since both cars converged into each other. As if you'll say "I hit his wing with my rear tyre" The fault usually *always* lies with the person behind no matter what your opinion is. Just look at Vettel and his 3 separate incidents. Michael is a very stern driver and can sometimes really push the rules which I don't like. At least he apologized to Rubins, so he atleast has some heart.

#5157 Fortymark

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:47

I think it was an unfortunate, minor racing incident, and nothing MS could have done to avoid it; he had to make the move, and did it well, Nico moved back on track a tad too far, but was in a tight spot after recovering from his misshap.

So I think technically Nico hit Michael, who was on the other hand not giving much room, but under the circumstances neither driver was being naughty or making a silly mistake - just good racing on the edge .


I disagree, what the replay again. Rosberg reenters the track which he should, he takes some space to have a better
line through the corner. Schumacher now goes very close to Rosberg and hits him, he could have avoided it
by now going so close to NR. Schumacher would have passed him anyway
Look here:

Edit: watch it to the end, about 45 sec in it´s from NR onboard camera.
When MS hits Rosberg, you cam see he´s got at least 1 meter more space to his left

Edited by Fortymark, 30 August 2010 - 09:51.


#5158 Skinnyguy

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:55

I disagree, what the replay again. Rosberg reenters the track which he should, he takes some space to have a better
line through the corner. Schumacher now goes very close to Rosberg and hits him, he could have avoided it
by now going so close to NR. Schumacher would have passed him anyway
Look here:

Edit: watch it to the end, about 45 sec in it´s from NR onboard camera.
When MS hits Rosberg, you cam see he´s got at least 1 meter more space to his left


No chance, if he had gone wider, I think he would be off the racetrack on the exit, which he almost did anyway. He did OK, he had he momentum and a better line and took the chance. For me it is Nico failing to mantain a tight enough line... he didn´t exactly left a car width at the exit.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 30 August 2010 - 09:58.


#5159 Spa95

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:00

It was Nico who went off the circuit. It's his job to avoid any collision when he rejoins the track.

End off.

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#5160 Fortymark

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:04

No chance, if he had gone wider, I think he would be off the racetrack on the exit, which he almost did anyway. He did OK, he had he momentum and a better line and took the chance. For me it is Nico failing to mantain a tight enough line... he didn´t exactly left a car width at the exit.


I think we just have to disagree here. :)
On the clip you can see that Schumacher gets a little unsettled/unstable due to his
contact with Rosberg, that´s why it looks like he almost runs out of racetrack, he needs
to correct his car. If he hadn´t touched Rosberg he wouldn´t need to countersteer

#5161 SpeedyS

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:29

I thought it was very much typical Schumacher.
"He hit my rear tire"
How could Rosberg hit MS tire when the only thing Rosberg did
was get back to the racing line? (which he had every right to)

It was a racing incident but it´s so typical of Schumacher to be
this arrogant bloke whom can´t do anything wrong, it´s always
somebody´s else fault.

What about: I touched his front wing unfortunately when I saw the oppurtunity to pass
him, but that´s racing


Fare, Ms says somethings sometimes which are arrogant like most great sports people do but I dont think you will win many fans trying to use this as example "he hit my rear tire" This is speaking by facts as most non born English speakers do, I mean your walking in the supermarket and some clips your foot from behind you would'nt say I walked into their cart...

I think you are seeing what you want to see when watching the pass, MS passed him on the racing line because NR was off the racing line, NR moved back 0.001 sec to early.
If it had been any different there would be hundreds of media all over it with what happen 4 weeks ago.

Edited by SpeedyS, 30 August 2010 - 11:40.


#5162 scarletf12002

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:38

Sometimes I think that even if Schumacher started at the back of the grid and finished 1st, without having got into any controversy, people would still say "oh must have been driving the best car or other drivers didn't really challenge him!" Give credit where credit was due people!
Coming from 21st to 7th is not bad for anybody especially given the changing conditions yesterday. To say he benefited from circumstances maybe true to a certain degree but you have to make hay when the sun shines or to put it another way you are just knit-picking!

#5163 man

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:50

Sometimes I think that even if Schumacher started at the back of the grid and finished 1st, without having got into any controversy, people would still say "oh must have been driving the best car or other drivers didn't really challenge him!" Give credit where credit was due people!
Coming from 21st to 7th is not bad for anybody especially given the changing conditions yesterday. To say he benefited from circumstances maybe true to a certain degree but you have to make hay when the sun shines or to put it another way you are just knit-picking!


As I said, it wasn't a bad drive but it wasn't particularly impressive. Incidents and circumstances for other drivers is what enabled him to finish where did. It wasn't a case of he overtook all the cars that finished behind him and he beat them for pace and skill. Morbidelli and Panis finished on the podium in 1994 at Adelaide, I don't recall anybody then making a big song and dance about how impressive they were. Let's keep it realistic. ;-)

#5164 Massa

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 12:09

As I said, it wasn't a bad drive but it wasn't particularly impressive. Incidents and circumstances for other drivers is what enabled him to finish where did. It wasn't a case of he overtook all the cars that finished behind him and he beat them for pace and skill. Morbidelli and Panis finished on the podium in 1994 at Adelaide, I don't recall anybody then making a big song and dance about how impressive they were. Let's keep it realistic. ;-)



Adelaide 94 : Mansell, Berger, Brundle.

Panis 5th at one lap.
Morbidelli brake his engine.

In 94, never Morbidelli finish on the podium.

It's in 95 Morbidelli finish on podium with panis... But 8 cars finished the race... At Spa, 20 cars finished the race...

Edited by Massa, 30 August 2010 - 12:13.


#5165 man

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 12:23

Adelaide 94 : Mansell, Berger, Brundle.

Panis 5th at one lap.
Morbidelli brake his engine.

In 94, never Morbidelli finish on the podium.

It's in 95 Morbidelli finish on podium with panis... But 8 cars finished the race... At Spa, 20 cars finished the race...


A typo ;-)

Regardless a quick glance at the race classification and post race comments from teams and drivers will suggest 7th was pretty much handed to M Schumacher on a plate. All he had to do was keep the car on the island which to his credit he did but not much else. If bringing the car home in one piece is the barometer of a good drive, standards have certainly dived. ;-)

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 12:37

A typo ;-)

Regardless a quick glance at the race classification and post race comments from teams and drivers will suggest 7th was pretty much handed to M Schumacher on a plate. All he had to do was keep the car on the island which to his credit he did but not much else. If bringing the car home in one piece is the barometer of a good drive, standards have certainly dived. ;-)


If we compare yesterday drive form him to previous drives prior retirement than it was nothing special as you have said it, but if you compare it to the result this year it was the best drive from him yesterday.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 13:13

As I said, it wasn't a bad drive but it wasn't particularly impressive. Incidents and circumstances for other drivers is what enabled him to finish where did.


So what you are saying is that even though others made mistakes their efforts are still better than the Guys who didn't make mistakes?

Don't bother replying, I can see the only way clear here is to put you and that tecnical genius Fortymark on my ignore list, something I should have done some time ago.


Which ignores two WDC's without Barrichello, ignores the general pace of development of other teams this year, ignores the level of untapped performance in the cars, ignores the basic platform which was in place long before Schumacher and Barrichello joined their teams etc etc.


and totally ignores all the available public information since the start of the year of which peices Williams have been waiting to put onto the car, parts they have had before Rubens even drove the first lap.

Edited by cheapracer, 30 August 2010 - 13:31.


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Posted 30 August 2010 - 13:23

Adelaide 94 : Mansell, Berger, Brundle.

Panis 5th at one lap.
Morbidelli brake his engine.

In 94, never Morbidelli finish on the podium.

It's in 95 Morbidelli finish on podium with Panis... But 8 cars finished the race... At Spa, 20 cars finished the race...


Wow and I didn't even know the motorcycle company even had an F1 team, who was the driver?


And did you see the straight line speed of Sutil at Spa....the force Indai's will be a problem for Mercedes at Monza, and with Renault's F Duct plus podium at Spa, Mercedes would do very well to hold off Renault for 4th place for constructors for the remaining races, looks like Kubica and Renault may be the major target that Merc will have difficulity keeping up with.


:up:

Indeed, F/India have had a speed item up their sleeve since last year and Sutil is just getting better, another headache for MBR. I wouldn't bet against a podium for Sutil at Monza = headache for all other teams.

Edited by cheapracer, 30 August 2010 - 13:30.


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Posted 30 August 2010 - 13:42

So what you are saying is that even though others made mistakes their efforts are still better than the Guys who didn't make mistakes?

Don't bother replying, I can see the only way clear here is to put you and that tecnical genius Fortymark on my ignore list, something I should have done some time ago.




and totally ignores all the available public information since the start of the year of which peices Williams have been waiting to put onto the car, parts they have had before Rubens even drove the first lap.


Cheap racer you are a happy choppy aren't you? ;-)

Yes I'm hurt you have decided to ignore me and by announcing so in such a public fashion. :-(

Whether you will see this message, I know not. However, you can ignore me but you can't ignore the facts which are that M Schumacher was beaten for the 10th time this year by his teammate who overtook him and also had a busted front wing for a large portion of the race.

Farewell in the parallel universe, so close yet so far. :-(

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 13:54

Coming from 21st to 7th is not bad for anybody especially given the changing conditions yesterday. To say he benefited from circumstances maybe true to a certain degree but you have to make hay when the sun shines or to put it another way you are just knit-picking!


Peanut gallery who have never sat their asses in a race car to see what actually goes on out there.

21st to 7th in this day and age is just great, as Sean mentions above the grid progress must be looking good although thats not a statistic I would want to see as a driver or team owner (probably means for various reasons you're starting too far back) but with Rosberg's result the team must be at least a little bit happier this week.


#5171 cheapracer

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 14:02

Is there any other #2 driver in the history of F1 who has been backing his #1 to win 5 championships?

and also in terms of their respective career achievements.


No, how STUPID is Rubens?? :rotfl:

Huh? What Rubens is online to take out 7 WDC's or an extra 80 wins? When??

I'd ignore you too but you're funny.




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Posted 30 August 2010 - 15:03

He was beaten for racecraft again by his teammate

how rthe hell is a safety car a 10 place grid penalty and 2 back markers infront of you at a safety car restart rosbergs race craft :rolleyes:

21st to 7th is so easy as alonso has proved in a better car, those slower guys at the rear/midfield just let you cruise past dont they .....

Edited by arknor, 30 August 2010 - 15:05.


#5173 aditya-now

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:21

It's funny how the game is totally reversed compared to MS' first career. Rosberg always seems to put one over him, even on his better days, just like MS used to back then.

All in all a good race from him, he certainly deserves a place in the current field - only that the "Rosberg problem" won't go away, not even if MGP builds a rocket ship for 2011.


Yes, Michael has dropped down in the standings one further place to 10th, and ironically after his strongest race of the season (together with Monaco). He is, at present, a solid number 2 to Rosberg.

Edited by aditya-now, 30 August 2010 - 17:21.


#5174 merschu

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:28

Hope next season if Rosberg becomes M.S solid number 2 you won't come here & talk about team being biased towards M.S & him getting preferential treatment and blah blah...!

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:30

No, how STUPID is Rubens?? :rotfl:

Huh? What Rubens is online to take out 7 WDC's or an extra 80 wins? When??

I'd ignore you too but you're funny.


I clearly stated that Rubens does not have the calibre to be a WDC. As analysed, it's a matter of mental zeal, "going in for the kill" quality etc.
Nonetheless, the point raised is that Rubens always seems to harmonize and solidify a team, to "gel a team" (although this was always considered a strong point of Michael) as we have seen in all the teams he was racing.

And in Ferrari it was exactly within the 6 Rubens years that Michael was able to get his 5 WDCs. In the 4 years without Rubens at Ferrari Michael got nil WDCs.

Rubens is not stupid at all, but a genuinely likable and capable bloke. He is not WDC material, however.
Michael's behaviour towards Rubens, on the other hand, on the track and off the track, is despicable.

And, based on 2010, Michael does not seem to have the capacity to gel the team, to galvanize the team. On the contrary, for months now the team (especially Brawn and Haug) have to find excuses for Michael and his performances, Spa, Monaco and Spain having been rare exceptions.

I do not see Frank Williams or Patrick Head making constant excuses for Rubens.

Edited by aditya-now, 30 August 2010 - 17:32.


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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:30

Here is the pre-race BBC interview with Schumacher that Coulthard did:



Well worth watching. Probably the most open and honest interview I've seen from Schumacher. Watch it while you can.

#5177 aditya-now

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:32

Hope next season if Rosberg becomes M.S solid number 2 you won't come here & talk about team being biased towards M.S & him getting preferential treatment and blah blah...!



First of all, Michael would have to become a solid number 1 again.

And if he does so, and in a decent way, you will see me also acknowledging that. Yet for the moment the whole 2011 theme is in the dreams of the Schumacher fans. Let's see how reality turns out.

#5178 GoRacing

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 18:17

Does anyone have MS' on board opening lap or two, would love to see that.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 18:18

No chance, if he had gone wider, I think he would be off the racetrack on the exit, which he almost did anyway. He did OK, he had he momentum and a better line and took the chance. For me it is Nico failing to mantain a tight enough line... he didn´t exactly left a car width at the exit.


I agree I watched the clip and Rosberg went off track, so had to be careful about rejoining, Michael was ahead going into the corner and Rosberg knew that the inside line isn't the optimum line for the corner and Michael would of gone across his direction. Michael had to take that line to make the exit and also to ensure the move stuck. Not Michael's fault fortymark.

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#5180 GoRacing

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 18:23

I agree I watched the clip and Rosberg went off track, so had to be careful about rejoining, Michael was ahead going into the corner and Rosberg knew that the inside line isn't the optimum line for the corner and Michael would of gone across his direction. Michael had to take that line to make the exit and also to ensure the move stuck. Not Michael's fault fortymark.


I agree, it's amazing how people still fault MS for contact with Nico, anything he is involved in, he is responsible! As mentioned, Nico went off track, so it is his job to join at the right time, Michael was just driving on the racing line as normal.

#5181 ivand911

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 18:42

Next year should be very interesting. Eddie Jordan's comments keep ringing in my ears though.

What EJ said? I was interested from the moment I see your post.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 02:18

Cheap racer you are a happy choppy aren't you? ;-)

Yes I'm hurt you have decided to ignore me and by announcing so in such a public fashion. :-(

Whether you will see this message, I know not. However, you can ignore me but you can't ignore the facts which are that M Schumacher was beaten for the 10th time this year by his teammate who overtook him and also had a busted front wing for a large portion of the race.

Farewell in the parallel universe, so close yet so far. :-(


let's also not forget the fact that his teammate started quite a number of places in front of him....and yet only finished in front of MS

Good race by MS moving through the field. First lap he overtook was it 6 cars.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:35

any rookie who at spa started 21 and ended 7th would have got good dibs and would have been runner for drive of the day - except on bbc of course

Without the rain in the end that made the Mercedes strategy work that rookie would've been Petrov, hands down. He started 24th and passed both the Mercedes drivers already in the early laps. I really didn't see much good from Mercedes this weekend from either driver - due to lack of pace the team had to gamble on a risky setup and strategy and lucked out with the late rain and retirements. The drivers did well to keep their cars out of trouble in the tricky conditions, but pace-wise they were at best tied with Sauber for the "slowest package of the established teams" award.


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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:49

Why a lot of things can be discussed hither and tither, and why it is entirerly possible, that Williams is very happy with Rubens, and I would agree with the statement that he has a good season so far, it is worth to remember some facts.

Williams ,including the race in Spa, had 84 points last year, if we apply this years point system (82 if we take into account that at one race only half the points where awarded), this compares with 40 points in 2010 to date.
So, if we apply your reasoning, that would mean they are more in the doldrums this year, then they where at the same time last year.

Why I do agree and think, that Rubens is a very nice guy and a good driver, he is not the messias, who has turned Williams fortunes around single handed.
You also forgot to mention, that his great testing and development skills, did not bear much fruits during his Honda years.
His form and results improved after Brawn joint Honda and ultimately when it became Brawn GP.
So maybe his development skills, should be seen in the correct context, and as a whole, and not just if they suit your agenda.

I have no problem with your disliking and your opinion of Schumacher, not at all - but please let´s keep the facts right.
Some of the arguments you use, are a bit far fetched IMHO, and do not help your case.


Good points, thanks for your response.

While I do not have the time to calculate Williams' points from last season that late at night (12.40 AM here in New York) it amazes me that Williams were so much better last year, or rather, they are so much worse this year.

Another reason, why the change of points systems is quite confusing and makes historical comparability that much harder. Isn't there a website that just shows all the points standings under all the points systems? I think I have come across one some time ago. Thanks if you can provide the link.

Of course, that argument that you make can be also extended to Mercedes GP. With Merc money on board, and with the always capable Michael, it is not easy to understand why Mercedes GP is underperforming to that degree as compared to Brawn GP.

So the success last year was all down to the double diffuser, and the lack of success this year is all down to reduced workforce and budget?

Ah, there is one factor - Rosberg was driving for Williams last year and scored that much more points than Rubens this year.
And in 2010, the same Rosberg is distancing Michael in most races - so maybe Nico is not such a bad driver after all and Michael has lost less performance than it appears?


#5185 aditya-now

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:55

Awful season. Same as 2005 and 1999.

Because Schuey's not winning pretty much every race. :(


Yeah right. It makes me sick as well.

#5186 black magic

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 06:08

not going to let you get away with that man

you try and pretend you are trying to be even handed yet your dismissal of both mercedes at spa shows your true colours

many other drivers in far better machinary struggled and or went off.

schumacher and rosberg passed other cars and handled the same conditions yet stayed on track and were running as high as 5th and 6th on merit initially.

that rosberg got past schumacher was great for him. that schumacher equally pounced on rosberg when offered a sliver was equally good on him. yes rosberg got the extra point but equally without the safety car he would have finished behind. as a team owner you would have seen evidence that both your drivers are capable and deserve to be on the grid. to finsh 6th.7th with that car starting where they did was as good as could hope, clearly also aided by the weather but equally both drivers maximised what chances the weather threw up

as a schumacher fan it was a glimpse of the mans abilities, overtaking without hesitation( wasnt it the montoya fans who used to bang on about ms being no good at overtaking) and handling the changeable conditions better than at any time this season.

score both drivers 8/10

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:31

Rosberg with a damaged wing and a car that was set-up for full wet conditions maintained a 2 sec gap when it was dry. That is a cause for concern.

maybe the damage negated the wet set-up? ie less wing-less downforce :stoned:

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:43

Ac lot of silly comments here about one or other of the Mercedes drivers being at fault, blah blah...
Fact is even the hypersensitive stewards didn't see a need to investigate an incident involving cars 3 and 4, so shut up will you!
Facts are that Michael outqualified Nico this time, yes it was very close but he did it. In the rcae Michael did a grand job rounding up the slow cars and jumping from 21st to 10th. Nico got shoved off the track by a first lap incident involving Rubens and Fernando but improved from 14th to 9th. Michael made a good opportunistic lunge at Nico who we are told was on a wet setup. After this incident Nico did a great job with a damaged front wing to pretty well match Michael's times who was in clear air. It would seem that in the flurry for intermediates late in the race Nico got queued up behind his teammate and lost positions to Kobayashi and Alonso. However in the restart from behind the safety car Nico was superb and repaid Michael's compliment.

Result - another race and points to Nico and possibly Michael's best drive of the season so far.

#5189 Galko877

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:49

Coulthard interviews Schumacher:

I liked his comment on Rubens' 300th race. No love lost between those two. :lol:

#5190 libano

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 11:18

Coulthard interviews Schumacher:

I liked his comment on Rubens' 300th race. No love lost between those two. :lol:



haha, comedy gold.

#5191 Big Block 8

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:15

Coulthard interviews Schumacher:


He says it's impossible to say today if he has lost any speed compared with himself at 25 or 30 and then goes on to say he worked with Ferrari for 10 years and so far only 1 year with Mercedes (insinuating that it's the lack of work/integration with the team that explains the different results). Kudos for him for saying so and not hiding behind the "oh if only I was 10 years younger" phrase. :up:


#5192 baddog

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 22:01

Actually a really interesting interview on a variety of subjects. Well worth watching the back and forth between him and david on adrenalin and the reasons for getting back into a car, and also the really straghtforward answers on age and effect on ability.

#5193 scheivlak

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 22:51

Another reason, why the change of points systems is quite confusing and makes historical comparability that much harder. Isn't there a website that just shows all the points standings under all the points systems? I think I have come across one some time ago. Thanks if you can provide the link.


Linky: http://f1-facts.com/...ions_comparison

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#5194 black magic

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 07:58

despite media attempt to try and paint him as ssome evil machieavellian figure the guy remains the simple kid from pretty poor background.

he is usually honest in his answers and whilst he makes errors of judgement in the heat of battle you can see the maturity of the man now versus the hotshot of his bennetton yrs.

great interview and full of honest assessment

#5195 cheapracer

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 08:57

Rubens is not stupid at all, but a genuinely likable and capable bloke. He is not WDC material, however.
Michael's behaviour towards Rubens, on the other hand, on the track and off the track, is despicable.


So what, I'm an asshole and a successful one who isn't scratching for comforts so guess who I would rather be from the choice? The old phrase "Nice guys come second" has a reasonable basis for truth.

Can you also take your Rosberg Vs MS stuff to the correct thread please, this isn't it although you would like it to be because it's the only thing you can grasp on to after a fine drive at Spa by anyones standards by MS.


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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:12

I must say I'm impressed by Michael's drive at SPA (whole weekend). He was faster than Rosberg in most sessions and finally, outqualified him. Then he did a great job in the race to move from the back of the grid to P7. Big :up: for him. Hopefully he will beat Rosberg more often during the rest of this season and next year continue this upward trend.

Also, really interesting interview for BBC. :D

Edited by TURU, 01 September 2010 - 09:15.


#5197 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:13

I found this Report on Belgium 2010 in Russian forum. It was made by Russian girl who is big Schumi fan. I think you can like her travel notes.
Translated in English:
http://translate.goo...&...D47984&st=0
Original:
http://forum.f1news....opic=47984&st=0
Some pictures:
http://photofile.ru/...7702/162496060/
http://photofile.ru/...7084/162486057/
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://i9.fastpic.ru...0a73cd67cf2.jpg
http://i9.fastpic.ru...520f93b25fc.jpg

Sorry translation is not very good, in Russian travel notes are great. Michael Schumacher was staying at La Source hotel close to the famous corner.

Edited by ivand911, 01 September 2010 - 10:50.


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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:30

I must say I'm impressed by Michael's drive at SPA (whole weekend). He was faster than Rosberg in most sessions and finally, outqualified him. Then he did a great job in the race to move from the back of the grid to P7. Big :up: for him. Hopefully he will beat Rosberg more often during the rest of this season and next year continue this upward trend.

Also, really interesting interview for BBC. :D

I've come on here and sniped at MS for his lack of pace, but fair play, he redeemed himself at Spa.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 10:44

I must say I'm impressed by Michael's drive at SPA (whole weekend). He was faster than Rosberg in most sessions and finally, outqualified him. Then he did a great job in the race to move from the back of the grid to P7. Big :up: for him. Hopefully he will beat Rosberg more often during the rest of this season and next year continue this upward trend.

Also, really interesting interview for BBC. :D


While I have disagreed with MS fans for some time now - I will also admit that I was surprised by Michael's good form at Spa.
He did good - no doubt and showed that he deserves his place and therefore 2011 is not such a bad gamble for Merc , perhaps MS really can build the team up and we will see a resurgence of Merc.

I also liked his cheeky behavior and teasing Vettel while Vettel was speaking to the reporters after the race ..

Who knows I may even start to like the guy afterall !:)

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 14:12

Yeah he was pretty good - maybe because he did write 75 signatures on helmet-visors for replica-helmets (http://shop.schubert...a-original.html).

We all did hope for more rain in SPA, as that always was one of the conditions he used to be a real master.

Nevertheless - we will see what he´ll come up with the next races

Edited by pfdwxenon, 01 September 2010 - 15:23.