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#5201 aditya-now

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:49

Why a lot of things can be discussed hither and tither, and why it is entirerly possible, that Williams is very happy with Rubens, and I would agree with the statement that he has a good season so far, it is worth to remember some facts.

Williams ,including the race in Spa, had 84 points last year, if we apply this years point system (82 if we take into account that at one race only half the points where awarded), this compares with 40 points in 2010 to date.
So, if we apply your reasoning, that would mean they are more in the doldrums this year, then they where at the same time last year.

Why I do agree and think, that Rubens is a very nice guy and a good driver, he is not the messias, who has turned Williams fortunes around single handed.
You also forgot to mention, that his great testing and development skills, did not bear much fruits during his Honda years.
His form and results improved after Brawn joint Honda and ultimately when it became Brawn GP.
So maybe his development skills, should be seen in the correct context, and as a whole, and not just if they suit your agenda.

I have no problem with your disliking and your opinion of Schumacher, not at all - but please let´s keep the facts right.
Some of the arguments you use, are a bit far fetched IMHO, and do not help your case.


Good points, thanks for your response.

While I do not have the time to calculate Williams' points from last season that late at night (12.40 AM here in New York) it amazes me that Williams were so much better last year, or rather, they are so much worse this year.

Another reason, why the change of points systems is quite confusing and makes historical comparability that much harder. Isn't there a website that just shows all the points standings under all the points systems? I think I have come across one some time ago. Thanks if you can provide the link.

Of course, that argument that you make can be also extended to Mercedes GP. With Merc money on board, and with the always capable Michael, it is not easy to understand why Mercedes GP is underperforming to that degree as compared to Brawn GP.

So the success last year was all down to the double diffuser, and the lack of success this year is all down to reduced workforce and budget?

Ah, there is one factor - Rosberg was driving for Williams last year and scored that much more points than Rubens this year.
And in 2010, the same Rosberg is distancing Michael in most races - so maybe Nico is not such a bad driver after all and Michael has lost less performance than it appears?


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#5202 aditya-now

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:55

Awful season. Same as 2005 and 1999.

Because Schuey's not winning pretty much every race. :(


Yeah right. It makes me sick as well.

#5203 black magic

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 06:08

not going to let you get away with that man

you try and pretend you are trying to be even handed yet your dismissal of both mercedes at spa shows your true colours

many other drivers in far better machinary struggled and or went off.

schumacher and rosberg passed other cars and handled the same conditions yet stayed on track and were running as high as 5th and 6th on merit initially.

that rosberg got past schumacher was great for him. that schumacher equally pounced on rosberg when offered a sliver was equally good on him. yes rosberg got the extra point but equally without the safety car he would have finished behind. as a team owner you would have seen evidence that both your drivers are capable and deserve to be on the grid. to finsh 6th.7th with that car starting where they did was as good as could hope, clearly also aided by the weather but equally both drivers maximised what chances the weather threw up

as a schumacher fan it was a glimpse of the mans abilities, overtaking without hesitation( wasnt it the montoya fans who used to bang on about ms being no good at overtaking) and handling the changeable conditions better than at any time this season.

score both drivers 8/10

#5204 rm111

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:31

Rosberg with a damaged wing and a car that was set-up for full wet conditions maintained a 2 sec gap when it was dry. That is a cause for concern.

maybe the damage negated the wet set-up? ie less wing-less downforce :stoned:

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:43

Ac lot of silly comments here about one or other of the Mercedes drivers being at fault, blah blah...
Fact is even the hypersensitive stewards didn't see a need to investigate an incident involving cars 3 and 4, so shut up will you!
Facts are that Michael outqualified Nico this time, yes it was very close but he did it. In the rcae Michael did a grand job rounding up the slow cars and jumping from 21st to 10th. Nico got shoved off the track by a first lap incident involving Rubens and Fernando but improved from 14th to 9th. Michael made a good opportunistic lunge at Nico who we are told was on a wet setup. After this incident Nico did a great job with a damaged front wing to pretty well match Michael's times who was in clear air. It would seem that in the flurry for intermediates late in the race Nico got queued up behind his teammate and lost positions to Kobayashi and Alonso. However in the restart from behind the safety car Nico was superb and repaid Michael's compliment.

Result - another race and points to Nico and possibly Michael's best drive of the season so far.

#5206 Galko877

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:49

Coulthard interviews Schumacher:

I liked his comment on Rubens' 300th race. No love lost between those two. :lol:

#5207 libano

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 11:18

Coulthard interviews Schumacher:

I liked his comment on Rubens' 300th race. No love lost between those two. :lol:



haha, comedy gold.

#5208 Big Block 8

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:15

Coulthard interviews Schumacher:


He says it's impossible to say today if he has lost any speed compared with himself at 25 or 30 and then goes on to say he worked with Ferrari for 10 years and so far only 1 year with Mercedes (insinuating that it's the lack of work/integration with the team that explains the different results). Kudos for him for saying so and not hiding behind the "oh if only I was 10 years younger" phrase. :up:


#5209 TC3000

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 14:25

Of course, that argument that you make can be also extended to Mercedes GP. With Merc money on board, and with the always capable Michael, it is not easy to understand why Mercedes GP is underperforming to that degree as compared to Brawn GP.

you are free to make any assessment you like and to come to your own conclusions out of the given facts/results.


So the success last year was all down to the double diffuser, and the lack of success this year is all down to reduced workforce and budget?

up to you to draw your conclusions, out of the facts/results again. - different people may draw different conclusions, have different opinions


Ah, there is one factor - Rosberg was driving for Williams last year and scored that much more points than Rubens this year.
And in 2010, the same Rosberg is distancing Michael in most races - so maybe Nico is not such a bad driver after all and Michael has lost less performance than it appears?

maybe time, to give some credit, where credit is due


as for the website with the points, maybe there is one, sorry I don´t know, just calculated the points.


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Posted 31 August 2010 - 22:01

Actually a really interesting interview on a variety of subjects. Well worth watching the back and forth between him and david on adrenalin and the reasons for getting back into a car, and also the really straghtforward answers on age and effect on ability.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 22:51

Another reason, why the change of points systems is quite confusing and makes historical comparability that much harder. Isn't there a website that just shows all the points standings under all the points systems? I think I have come across one some time ago. Thanks if you can provide the link.


Linky: http://f1-facts.com/...ions_comparison

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#5212 black magic

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 07:58

despite media attempt to try and paint him as ssome evil machieavellian figure the guy remains the simple kid from pretty poor background.

he is usually honest in his answers and whilst he makes errors of judgement in the heat of battle you can see the maturity of the man now versus the hotshot of his bennetton yrs.

great interview and full of honest assessment

#5213 cheapracer

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 08:57

Rubens is not stupid at all, but a genuinely likable and capable bloke. He is not WDC material, however.
Michael's behaviour towards Rubens, on the other hand, on the track and off the track, is despicable.


So what, I'm an asshole and a successful one who isn't scratching for comforts so guess who I would rather be from the choice? The old phrase "Nice guys come second" has a reasonable basis for truth.

Can you also take your Rosberg Vs MS stuff to the correct thread please, this isn't it although you would like it to be because it's the only thing you can grasp on to after a fine drive at Spa by anyones standards by MS.


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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:12

I must say I'm impressed by Michael's drive at SPA (whole weekend). He was faster than Rosberg in most sessions and finally, outqualified him. Then he did a great job in the race to move from the back of the grid to P7. Big :up: for him. Hopefully he will beat Rosberg more often during the rest of this season and next year continue this upward trend.

Also, really interesting interview for BBC. :D

Edited by TURU, 01 September 2010 - 09:15.


#5215 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:13

I found this Report on Belgium 2010 in Russian forum. It was made by Russian girl who is big Schumi fan. I think you can like her travel notes.
Translated in English:
http://translate.goo...&...D47984&st=0
Original:
http://forum.f1news....opic=47984&st=0
Some pictures:
http://photofile.ru/...7702/162496060/
http://photofile.ru/...7084/162486057/
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://i9.fastpic.ru...0a73cd67cf2.jpg
http://i9.fastpic.ru...520f93b25fc.jpg

Sorry translation is not very good, in Russian travel notes are great. Michael Schumacher was staying at La Source hotel close to the famous corner.

Edited by ivand911, 01 September 2010 - 10:50.


#5216 Owen

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:30

I must say I'm impressed by Michael's drive at SPA (whole weekend). He was faster than Rosberg in most sessions and finally, outqualified him. Then he did a great job in the race to move from the back of the grid to P7. Big :up: for him. Hopefully he will beat Rosberg more often during the rest of this season and next year continue this upward trend.

Also, really interesting interview for BBC. :D

I've come on here and sniped at MS for his lack of pace, but fair play, he redeemed himself at Spa.

#5217 flyer121

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 10:44

I must say I'm impressed by Michael's drive at SPA (whole weekend). He was faster than Rosberg in most sessions and finally, outqualified him. Then he did a great job in the race to move from the back of the grid to P7. Big :up: for him. Hopefully he will beat Rosberg more often during the rest of this season and next year continue this upward trend.

Also, really interesting interview for BBC. :D


While I have disagreed with MS fans for some time now - I will also admit that I was surprised by Michael's good form at Spa.
He did good - no doubt and showed that he deserves his place and therefore 2011 is not such a bad gamble for Merc , perhaps MS really can build the team up and we will see a resurgence of Merc.

I also liked his cheeky behavior and teasing Vettel while Vettel was speaking to the reporters after the race ..

Who knows I may even start to like the guy afterall !:)

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 14:12

Yeah he was pretty good - maybe because he did write 75 signatures on helmet-visors for replica-helmets (http://shop.schubert...a-original.html).

We all did hope for more rain in SPA, as that always was one of the conditions he used to be a real master.

Nevertheless - we will see what he´ll come up with the next races

Edited by pfdwxenon, 01 September 2010 - 15:23.


#5219 aditya-now

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 14:34

Can you also take your Rosberg Vs MS stuff to the correct thread please, this isn't it although you would like it to be because it's the only thing you can grasp on to after a fine drive at Spa by anyones standards by MS.


By anyone´s standards?

Boy, have those standards on Schumacher´s racing sunk in recent times...

Not that I did not predict it, though. It was clear that at least in Spa Michael would show something, Spa being his "home track".

Yet if compared to Hamilton Michael is nowadays clearly second rank.

Edited by aditya-now, 01 September 2010 - 14:36.


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#5220 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 14:39

Yet if compared to Hamilton Michael is nowadays clearly second rank.

His car is also third or fourth rank compared to McLaren. :rotfl: And he didn't kiss the barrier with his bad car. MGP car didn't have nor the driveability, nor the traction of the McLaren , it is easy to be "good" with good car.

Edited by ivand911, 01 September 2010 - 14:45.


#5221 aditya-now

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 14:54

His car is also third or fourth rank compared to McLaren. :rotfl: And he didn't kiss the barrier with his bad car. MGP car didn't have nor the driveability, nor the traction of the McLaren , it is easy to be "good" with good car.


Which is what is so fascinating to me: Michael, the former superstar in dialing in a car, is suddenly only able to get the car up to third or fourth rank standard. Well, I´ll give you that, if the car was truly developed for Button, it will not be that easy, although previously Michael was famed for being able to "drive around" everything.

So 2011 will be the true proof of the pudding then. Godspeed, Michael.

#5222 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 15:05

"the former superstar in dialing in a car, is suddenly only able to get the car up to third or fourth rank standard" - Different times ,different rules.
Interview of Michael:
http://translate.goo.....ausgabe=53475
http://www.nq-online...p;ausgabe=53475

Edited by ivand911, 01 September 2010 - 15:06.


#5223 cindy4ever33

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 15:31

I found this Report on Belgium 2010 in Russian forum. It was made by Russian girl who is big Schumi fan. I think you can like her travel notes.
Translated in English:
http://translate.goo...&...D47984&st=0
Original:
http://forum.f1news....opic=47984&st=0
Some pictures:
http://photofile.ru/...7702/162496060/
http://photofile.ru/...7084/162486057/
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.ru/.../#mainImageLink
http://i9.fastpic.ru...0a73cd67cf2.jpg
http://i9.fastpic.ru...520f93b25fc.jpg

Sorry translation is not very good, in Russian travel notes are great. Michael Schumacher was staying at La Source hotel close to the famous corner.


Thanks for the sharing.
I think the family photo she mentioned in the article is the interview by Bild, the German Newspaper.
And I think Michael is nice to fans as always, really glad to see that.


#5224 1amiga

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 23:23


If MS had crashed like Vettel or came within a foot like hamilton did in the kitty litter of throwing the race win away or Kubica overshooting his pit stop.

The critics would have a field day...

#5225 aditya-now

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 23:53

If MS had crashed like Vettel or came within a foot like hamilton did in the kitty litter of throwing the race win away or Kubica overshooting his pit stop.

The critics would have a field day...


You are right, but Schumi drove well this time, like a 7-time WDC should....


#5226 aditya-now

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 03:43

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#5227 Ivanoff

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 13:12

Thanks for the sharing.
I think the family photo she mentioned in the article is the interview by Bild, the German Newspaper.
And I think Michael is nice to fans as always, really glad to see that.


You must see the banners that she has brought to Spa !

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Posted Image - then Berni saw the banner, he began to ring someone on the phone :)

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Brazilian journo asking Felipe about the banner.
Rod Smedly said: " Yeah ! I can confirm the message."
I had an LMAO then our russian commentator Alexei Popov has read it somewhere near the end of second practice :clap:
This banner was in Silverstone;
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Michael's banner was in another place at Spa:
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This one was in Hungary and german journos used it for an article http://www.auto-moto...se-1959639.html
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We made two more for Monza. One for Schumi and one for Vettel. Hope to see them on TV and in the after race photo sets :)

Edited by Ivanoff, 02 September 2010 - 13:18.


#5228 Galko877

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 14:06

Ivanoff, how many races you have been to/are you going to this year? Seems like you have fun. :up:

#5229 Ivanoff

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 14:12

Ivanoff, how many races you have been to/are you going to this year? Seems like you have fun. :up:


Not me. People from our forum. Hungary, Spa, Monza, Singapore, Abu-Dhabi.
I hope to have a trip to Spa or Turkey next year.

#5230 Galko877

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 14:13

Not me. People from our forum. Hungary, Spa, Monza, Singapore, Abu-Dhabi.
I hope to have a trip to Spa or Turkey next year.



Oh, I see. Great pics, thank you! :up:

Edited by Galko877, 02 September 2010 - 14:14.


#5231 cindy4ever33

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 16:04

You must see the banners that she has brought to Spa !

Posted Image Posted Image
Posted Image - then Berni saw the banner, he began to ring someone on the phone :)

Posted Image Posted Image
Brazilian journo asking Felipe about the banner.
Rod Smedly said: " Yeah ! I can confirm the message."
I had an LMAO then our russian commentator Alexei Popov has read it somewhere near the end of second practice :clap:
This banner was in Silverstone;
Posted Image


Michael's banner was in another place at Spa:
Posted Image
Posted Image

This one was in Hungary and german journos used it for an article http://www.auto-moto...se-1959639.html
Posted Image

We made two more for Monza. One for Schumi and one for Vettel. Hope to see them on TV and in the after race photo sets :)



Nice to see your forum guys support Michael everywhere. It reminds me of the banners we used to made for Michael.
I am really looking forward to see the banner in Monza.

#5232 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 19:37

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I`m sure everyone had a good laugh when they saw that poster

#5233 aditya-now

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 19:47

I`m sure everyone had a good laugh when they saw that poster


Yeah, it´s a bit ridiculous and at the same time desperate.
I thought he would win one race, and when Rosberg got third place in China Michael should have scored a victory, based on the driver he is (or rather, was).

Nowadays the future looks rather grim for him.

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 20:57

This is beyond sad really.

Kudos to the actual fans of the sport who go and cheer for their heros, instead of the keyboard heros here who just pound out the bullshit.

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 21:29

Yeah, it´s a bit ridiculous and at the same time desperate.

you're talking about your own messages I guess :)

#5236 aditya-now

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 21:31

This is beyond sad really.

Kudos to the actual fans of the sport who go and cheer for their heros, instead of the keyboard heros here who just pound out the bullshit.


Well, have you not expected at least one win from Michael this season? And in China even Rosberg was within a shout of a victory - a Michael of old would have duly won the race.
So I don´t think it´s b*llsh*t but a legitimate opinion. Granted, China was the closest MGP came within a victory, but I am sure that in earlier days Michael would have made use of that chance.

So neither sad nor b*llsh*t, just an opinion, and not an unjustified one at that. Indeed to say "your best wins are in the future" seems ironical, desperate or blind to me.

So instead of bashing Cheap Wine Alesi and myself, what's your opinion, baddog?

Do you think Michael will still win a GP? When would he/Mercedes have been able to win this year? For me it was China, if Michael hadn't driven so bad - you can see that by Rosbergs race.
I also gave Michael his due for his good races in Monaco, Spain and Spa - these were realistically his best races this season.

What do you think were his best races this year and do you think Michael will win next year? If so, how many races?

I'd like you "(perceived) basher-bashers" show some realism and objectivity as well.



you're talking about your own messages I guess :)


I am getting desperate because Michael is driving so well this year? Or how do you mean that?
Or I am ridiculous? Fine, suit yourself.

Edited by Buttoneer, 02 September 2010 - 23:21.


#5237 DanardiF1

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 21:47

Good points, thanks for your response.

While I do not have the time to calculate Williams' points from last season that late at night (12.40 AM here in New York) it amazes me that Williams were so much better last year, or rather, they are so much worse this year.

Another reason, why the change of points systems is quite confusing and makes historical comparability that much harder. Isn't there a website that just shows all the points standings under all the points systems? I think I have come across one some time ago. Thanks if you can provide the link.

Of course, that argument that you make can be also extended to Mercedes GP. With Merc money on board, and with the always capable Michael, it is not easy to understand why Mercedes GP is underperforming to that degree as compared to Brawn GP.

So the success last year was all down to the double diffuser, and the lack of success this year is all down to reduced workforce and budget?

Ah, there is one factor - Rosberg was driving for Williams last year and scored that much more points than Rubens this year.
And in 2010, the same Rosberg is distancing Michael in most races - so maybe Nico is not such a bad driver after all and Michael has lost less performance than it appears?


Rosberg has been a top driver in-waiting, and his performances for Williams when they were competitive were very eye-catching... the time was right for him to complete his 'apprenticeship' and step up... he's done that in a big way in my eyes this year, although Schumi has spent most of this time catching up. Nico's done really well for a driver who has done the last 3 years, and Michael has done well for a driver who hasn't had that same time racing...

If both were up to Nico's speed, Mercedes year would look a lot better than it has done... and that's no diss to Michael, who has lost points to both mechanical failure (Sepang), obscure decisions (the move in Monaco), and also bad Brawn Schumacher-specific strategies (tyres in Canada, Silverstone, China)... it's almost like Ross Brawn has tried things out on Michael, and let Nico rack up the points in case it doesn't work!?!

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 22:12

Yeah, it´s a bit ridiculous and at the same time desperate.
I thought he would win one race, and when Rosberg got third place in China Michael should have scored a victory, based on the driver he is (or rather, was).

Nowadays the future looks rather grim for him.



I`m sure everyone had a good laugh when they saw that poster



What this shows is a total lack of respect and manners for other posters in the forum.
Forget Schumacher for one moment, any fans who come on atlas f1 forumers and put up posters of their drivers and show support, it's one thing to discuss specific races or incidents and have a view on it, it's another thing to use basic fan support through posters and write negative comments. It's clear you dislike Schumacher, just remember everyone who posts on forums are human beings/life is short, they enjoy f1 and wanna discuss it with other fans, it's their interest.


There's alot of people who dislike Schumacher and have much more class about the way they go about it ithreads, just by posting often in this thread isn't going to re-educate a f1 fan of your views, your here for something else, spoiling the party as often as possible, like a sick joke, pathetic.

Think about people in general and manners for a moment, I've forumed here for almost 10 years now, it's okay to dislike drivers, even if for some of us it looks sad to have a determined consistent mission to bring down fans of a driver, rather then celebrate or enjoy what you guys like about f1 or who, and then their are lines you shouldn't step over, commenting on fans banners on a driver you don't like isn't going to achieve anything but extreme pathetic sillyness, don't go there, I've reported your posts. They are the worst posts I've read on here for a while.



You two are beyond sad really.

Kudos to the actual fans of the sport who go and cheer for their heros, instead of the keyboard heros here who just pound out the bullshit.



:up:
It's almost like a daily predictable soap opera, life at atlas f1 forums. There's always been some consistent forumer who has a side hobbie of hate with Schumacher M, but usually the balance was ironed out by forumers who spent time celebrating their heros. But what's happening with this thread is consistent soap opera which I hope isn't off putting alot of new forumers who wanna spent time actually enjoying who they support. It's pathetic.


Rosberg has been a top driver in-waiting, and his performances for Williams when they were competitive were very eye-catching... the time was right for him to complete his 'apprenticeship' and step up... he's done that in a big way in my eyes this year, although Schumi has spent most of this time catching up. Nico's done really well for a driver who has done the last 3 years, and Michael has done well for a driver who hasn't had that same time racing...

If both were up to Nico's speed, Mercedes year would look a lot better than it has done... and that's no diss to Michael, who has lost points to both mechanical failure (Sepang), obscure decisions (the move in Monaco), and also bad Brawn Schumacher-specific strategies (tyres in Canada, Silverstone, China)... it's almost like Ross Brawn has tried things out on Michael, and let Nico rack up the points in case it doesn't work!?!



:up: This is the type of post I'm here for, good discussion, respect others, thanks for posting :up:

Edited by SeanValen, 02 September 2010 - 22:25.


#5239 Buttoneer

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 23:20

So neither sad nor b*llsh*t, just an opinion, and not an unjustified one at that. Indeed to say "your best wins are in the future" seems ironical, desperate or blind to me.

Well maybe it does seem that way to you, but I think I prefer to see race goers expressing their like for someone rather than constantly and relentlessly finding ways to say how much they dislike someone. And it's not like that sort of banner isn't also usually there. I think it's rather sad that their positivity is scorned.

I think I might go and have a laugh at some Virgin F1 fans to make myself feel big and clever...

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#5240 Craven Morehead

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 23:21

I really enjoyed the interview with DC. Thanx for putting up the link; I might've overlooked it otherwise. :up:

#5241 black magic

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 02:13

face it a - n

I note in your profile that your favourites would seem to include anybody who was not schumacher or a ferrari during the schumcaher era despite some classic races and finishes

you love ferrari but not when they were winning under todt?? a real tifosi then. rather watch a shambles but keep your nobility eh. coupla miss calls warranted all that spite despite watching a team regain and surpass past glories. as if the great man wasnt above making some dubious ethical calls either. lets forget that montazemalo also ran the team when the likes of lauda strutted around and threw out their toys.

face it mate you just cant stand schumacher and are incapable of finding anything positive so why dont you find somewhere else to espouse your views.

the assumption by joining a forum is that you are open to anothers point of view

#5242 black magic

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 02:17

watch michael on top gear as he does a really good job of giving and taking a fair bit of piss from jeremy.

a very relaxed guy content with his life it would seem

#5243 Galko877

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:28

I am getting desperate because Michael is driving so well this year? Or how do you mean that?



No, you are desperate because no matter what MS does in the future, he still has more titles and race wins than your idol and that will always remain that way, no matter what. It's pretty clear that is the root of your hatred against Schumacher.

I guess people who call race-goers who make supportive banners of their favoruite drivers "pathetic" and "desperate", never enjoyed the great atmosphere of a race weekend (they might have experienced it but I guess the never fully got it, if it's pathetic for them). When I go to races I love to see all those different people supporting different drivers and teams, whether it's the best or the worst driver or team. That is what makes a great atmosphere and a big part of the fun. I feel sorry for you that you don't know what it is.

#5244 Galko877

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:29

What this shows is a total lack of respect and manners for other posters in the forum.
Forget Schumacher for one moment, any fans who come on atlas f1 forumers and put up posters of their drivers and show support, it's one thing to discuss specific races or incidents and have a view on it, it's another thing to use basic fan support through posters and write negative comments. It's clear you dislike Schumacher, just remember everyone who posts on forums are human beings/life is short, they enjoy f1 and wanna discuss it with other fans, it's their interest.


There's alot of people who dislike Schumacher and have much more class about the way they go about it ithreads, just by posting often in this thread isn't going to re-educate a f1 fan of your views, your here for something else, spoiling the party as often as possible, like a sick joke, pathetic.

Think about people in general and manners for a moment, I've forumed here for almost 10 years now, it's okay to dislike drivers, even if for some of us it looks sad to have a determined consistent mission to bring down fans of a driver, rather then celebrate or enjoy what you guys like about f1 or who, and then their are lines you shouldn't step over, commenting on fans banners on a driver you don't like isn't going to achieve anything but extreme pathetic sillyness, don't go there, I've reported your posts. They are the worst posts I've read on here for a while.






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It's almost like a daily predictable soap opera, life at atlas f1 forums. There's always been some consistent forumer who has a side hobbie of hate with Schumacher M, but usually the balance was ironed out by forumers who spent time celebrating their heros. But what's happening with this thread is consistent soap opera which I hope isn't off putting alot of new forumers who wanna spent time actually enjoying who they support. It's pathetic.





:up: This is the type of post I'm here for, good discussion, respect others, thanks for posting :up:


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#5245 Frans

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:44

Hey, even I had a banner for Schumacher at Spa, but they took it from me before I could use it... :( :(


And Schumacher fans can come to me, I have been a fan of a really really great racer, but he never was able to win once in F1, closest he came to that was in the Rain in Brazil 2003 in a Minardi. :wave: I know the feeling.  ;)

#5246 DaleCooper

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 08:12

as for the website with the points, maybe there is one, sorry I don´t know, just calculated the points.



Yeah, that was a great interview, one of only a few. David asked a lot of decent questions.

Schumacher certainly still has all the self belief he needs. That is a very good sign.

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#5247 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 08:23

This is beyond sad really.

Kudos to the actual fans of the sport who go and cheer for their heros, instead of the keyboard heros here who just pound out the bullshit.

If your hero is a racing driver who are known for their egoism and arrogance and out of whom many are spoilt brats, I consider you a very sad person (and I am not talking about you baddog, but more in general terms). Making huge posters to show how much you support someone and love him, when you know nothing about that person, well, I consider that very sad. Just my view.

Rosberg has been a top driver in-waiting, and his performances for Williams when they were competitive were very eye-catching..

Rosberg has been lucky that his teammate is the weakest driver in the top 5 teams and he has been made look good that way. Put Hamilton in the same car and Rosberg would look average. I think Mercedes is not a very good car this year, but nor do they have great drivers. In all, the whole team is average this year (even strategy wise)

They are the worst posts I've read on here for a while.

Thanks valen, from you I consider that a compliment.

#5248 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 08:24

No, you are desperate because no matter what MS does in the future, he still has more titles and race wins than your idol and that will always remain that way, no matter what.

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#5249 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 08:27

Hey, even I had a banner for Schumacher at Spa, but they took it from me before I could use it... :( :(


And Schumacher fans can come to me, I have been a fan of a really really great racer, but he never was able to win once in F1, closest he came to that was in the Rain in Brazil 2003 in a Minardi. :wave: I know the feeling. ;)


More incoherent rambling, Frans?

I assume you're referring to Jos Verstappen in your later paragraph?

#5250 ivand911

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 08:38

I`m sure everyone had a good laugh when they saw that poster

No,we are only laughing at you and aditya. This boys and girls form Russian forum who make this banners, they have also their friendships because of their forum. They made this banners together like a group. They also put the banners like a group in the GPs. It is good that their forum made them friends. They made nice banners and this banners were noticed. Job done. Everywhere they go they are part of other big group, the group of Michael Schumacher fans worldwide.