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#5451 ivand911

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 12:47

Schumacher consistently slower than Rosberg and Barrichello, another disappointment!

I´ll be curious what will be his excuses this time - the error he made in sector 2?

And Hulk beat them all. They all need excuses.

Edited by ivand911, 11 September 2010 - 12:47.


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#5452 Wade

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 12:47

4th time in a row that he wasnt able to make the top 10.

SMH.

#5453 ivand911

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 12:51

11th would be better, he could still have more strategy options than 9th and 10th.

#5454 aditya-now

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 12:57

no error. Simply he is off 3 tenths in quali pace.

And nice of you to ignore the other Williams.


I did not ignore Hülkenberg, in fact his showing is excellent. To Michael however Rosberg and Barrichello (for sentimental reasons) matter more. If you are 12th, it does not really matter who all is ahead of you, fact is you are only 12th. But your teammate always matters, and your "special friends" matter.


#5455 Massa_f1

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:00

EJ seems to think Schumacher has already chose to leave the team.

#5456 aditya-now

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:02

EJ seems to think Schumacher has already chose to leave the team.


Rosberg 7th, Schumacher 12th.

What more can you say on a track that is technically not that difficult?

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:02

EJ seems to think Schumacher has already chose to leave the team.

Based on what?

#5458 Massa_f1

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:03

Based on what?


Dozens of drivers coming and going out of there Motorhome this weekend. He knows his stuff most of the time so.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:05

Dozens of drivers coming and going out of there Motorhome this weekend. He knows his stuff most of the time so.

Eddie jordan? The guy is a fool, he gets one thing right among 100 things gotten wrong and then hails himself a hero. Why does BBC waste time with him, I will never know

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#5460 dav115

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:06

Rosberg 7th, Schumacher 12th.

What more can you say on a track that is technically not that difficult?

Technically not that difficult? Trying to pick a perfect braking point approaching a 1st gear chicane at 100 metres per second? Yeah, not difficult at all...

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:06

Dozens of drivers coming and going out of there Motorhome this weekend. He knows his stuff most of the time so.



Maybe they're talking about replacing their test driver who just left the team? Also are we to believe EJ has been camped outside Mercedes watching everyone who goes in/out?

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:08

Dozens of drivers coming and going out of there Motorhome this weekend. He knows his stuff most of the time so.



Yeah, they are having a "Who wants to replace Michael" driver contest. :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:21

I think Michael need to start tomorrow on hards. If he get in top 10 will be OK. I think tomorrow at the start will be not easy at first corner.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:23

Based on what?

based on more stupid pundit comments probably...

EJ spouts so much crap sometimes hes right but 99% of the times hes just beeing controversial for the sake of beeing controversial.

if you watch on the bbc you'll know noone takes EJ seriously even the people he works with he offers very little insight into the ongoings of formula one considering he used to run his own team

#5465 slaveceru

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:32

The margin between Schumacher and Rosberg at the end of qualification was around 0.3 sec as expected so I do not know why some of you in this forum are once again negatively surprised by Schumacher performance. We all know that Rosberg is better than Schumacher this year so how many times we have to read this.

Edited by slaveceru, 11 September 2010 - 13:39.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:35

based on more stupid pundit comments probably...

EJ spouts so much crap sometimes hes right but 99% of the times hes just beeing controversial for the sake of beeing controversial.

if you watch on the bbc you'll know noone takes EJ seriously even the people he works with he offers very little insight into the ongoings of formula one considering he used to run his own team


For once I agree, eddie jordan is a joke and BBC should fire him. He adds nothing constructive to the broadcast.

The margin between Schumacher and Rosberg at the end of qualification was around 0.2 sec as expected so I do not know why some of you in this forum are once again negatively surprised by Schumacher performance. We all know that Rosberg is better than Schumacher this year so how many times we have to read this.

it was over 0,3 seconds

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 13:41

For once I agree, eddie jordan is a joke and BBC should fire him. He adds nothing constructive to the broadcast.


it was over 0,3 seconds


Hey, at least it's not the usual half a sec or more at the tracks that don't work for him. :rotfl:

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 September 2010 - 13:45.


#5468 aditya-now

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 14:06

Technically not that difficult? Trying to pick a perfect braking point approaching a 1st gear chicane at 100 metres per second? Yeah, not difficult at all...



You are right - too difficult for Michael Schumacher, it seems, but not too difficult for Hülkenberg, Rosberg, Barrichello.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 14:13

You are right - too difficult for Michael Schumacher, it seems, but not too difficult for Hülkenberg, Rosberg, Barrichello.

We know starting positions, let's wait to see final positions from the race. Michael need to be careful with Bari, not to be hit from him. Remember Spa?


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 14:13

You are right - too difficult for Michael Schumacher, it seems, but not too difficult for Hülkenberg, Rosberg, Barrichello.


Amazing insight into F1. Brilliant conclusion. One driver is faster than the other on a track.

Btw, you might have missed that the Williams due failed to improve on their q2 time. So it was a little difficult for them too. But just a little. Don't want to ruin you conclusion on how easy it was for anyone else but Schumacher.

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 September 2010 - 14:14.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 15:10

"I am obviously not very happy with our qualifying today but my position is probably what my car was giving me,"

...said Schumacher. :down: :down: :down:




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Posted 11 September 2010 - 16:17

Its about time people stopped acting histerical when Rosberg beats Schumacher as a fan of Schumachers i admit it is a normal thing for Rosberg to be quicker than him. Yet at the end of every race weekend people act so suprised including the media. You could all see he was clearly struggliing with the car and was all over the place 12th is the max that could be done.



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Posted 11 September 2010 - 16:22

Can somebody provide me number of chassic which Schumi use this week-end ?
Still very old №2 ?

Edited by vovelo, 11 September 2010 - 16:23.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 16:24

Can somebody provide me number of chassic which Schumi use this week-end ?
Still very old №2 ?

I think he have new chassis from Spa. That was the plan.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 17:01

"I am obviously not very happy with our qualifying today but my position is probably what my car was giving me,"

...said Schumacher. :down: :down: :down:

How is that worth a thumbs down? All he's saying is that he and his engineer have failed to come up with a working setup this weekend, as shown by him struggling with the car all over the place.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 17:27

I think he have new chassis from Spa. That was the plan.

I heard about this plan as well :)
But if you see this file http://formulaone.sw...-13-Belgium.xls
then you could find there table of chassic numbers for each driver .

This is chassic numbers for Nico and Michael since Bahrain :
Schumacher :
03 Bahrain - China
01 Spain - Britain
02 Germany - Belgium

Rosberg
02 Bahrain - Britain
04 Germany - Belgium

even in Belgium GP race report made by Petronas (official sponsor of Mercedes team) you could see №02 chassic for Michael and 04 for Nico :
http://www.petmos.co...ace-Report.aspx

Edited by vovelo, 11 September 2010 - 17:29.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 18:20

How is that worth a thumbs down? All he's saying is that he and his engineer have failed to come up with a working setup this weekend, as shown by him struggling with the car all over the place.


Yeah right ----- it is the enginers fault Roseberg has been much nearer the front all season the massively experienced setup guru and multi wdc Schumcher setup is just a passenger. Funny thing the two sides of the Brawn garage were much more evenly matched last year.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 18:26

How is that worth a thumbs down? All he's saying is that he and his engineer have failed to come up with a working setup this weekend, as shown by him struggling with the car all over the place.


:down: = (another lame excuse)

if it was one race, you would be right but most of the season is a "trend" -- in his case it is a statistically significant trend as compared w/ his average teammate...

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 18:40

I heard about this plan as well :)
But if you see this file http://formulaone.sw...-13-Belgium.xls
then you could find there table of chassic numbers for each driver .

This is chassic numbers for Nico and Michael since Bahrain :
Schumacher :
03 Bahrain - China
01 Spain - Britain
02 Germany - Belgium

Rosberg
02 Bahrain - Britain
04 Germany - Belgium

even in Belgium GP race report made by Petronas (official sponsor of Mercedes team) you could see №02 chassic for Michael and 04 for Nico :
http://www.petmos.co...ace-Report.aspx

You mean that Nico get new chassis in Germany, where Michael get his old chassis? Maybe, but that was not the plan.


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#5480 dav115

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 18:42

Yeah right ----- it is the enginers fault Roseberg has been much nearer the front all season the massively experienced setup guru and multi wdc Schumcher setup is just a passenger. Funny thing the two sides of the Brawn garage were much more evenly matched last year.

No, it's the "fault" of the Rosberg/Clear partnership getting a better setup more times than not. You only need to compare Rosberg and Schumacher through parabolica (where front end bite, or lack of it in Schumacher's case) is extremely evident to see that they are doing a better job. Let's not forget that Michael is with the same engineer who last year struggled massively with Jenson at points in the season to generate heat in the tyres, leading to a large drop in speed compared to Rubens/Clear. Other times it has been the opposite way round, i.e. Barcelona where Rosberg was getting absolutely slaughtered by Schumacher, a large part of which was down to setup.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 18:43

You mean that Nico get new chassis in Germany, where Michael get his old chassis? Maybe, but that was not the plan.

Interesting, I thought Mercedes said they were going to give Michael the new chassis at Spa?

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 18:50

No, it's the "fault" of the Rosberg/Clear partnership getting a better setup more times than not. You only need to compare Rosberg and Schumacher through parabolica (where front end bite, or lack of it in Schumacher's case) is extremely evident to see that they are doing a better job. Let's not forget that Michael is with the same engineer who last year struggled massively with Jenson at points in the season to generate heat in the tyres, leading to a large drop in speed compared to Rubens/Clear. Other times it has been the opposite way round, i.e. Barcelona where Rosberg was getting absolutely slaughtered by Schumacher, a large part of which was down to setup.

I think Jock Clear is working as race engineer much longer than Shovlin. And, yes combination Nico/Clear/car/tyres is working better this year.

Edited by ivand911, 11 September 2010 - 18:52.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 19:15

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 19:20

Rosberg 7th, Schumacher 12th.

What more can you say on a track that is technically not that difficult?


I don't know Aditya. Martin Brundle said that it was a track where a sweet spot was needed in terms of set up, drag, downforce and mechanical grip. The top speed is only a small element in the chain (witness Button, who had lots of drag and was amongst the slowest in the straightline but still qualified second).

He said it was on par with Monaco (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong) in terms of set up even though the two couldn't be more different from one another.

Also see how many drivers missed their braking point and went off into the run off areas (first chicane, Parabolica) and the two Lesmo corners. It's more demanding than it looks, though I suspect not as demanding as somewhere like Suzuka for instance.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 19:29

It's obvious a driver issue not a Setup problem. This can happen one race or two races but not over the whole season long. Rosberg is just faster and can cope with the car better.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 20:24

It's obvious a driver issue not a Setup problem. This can happen one race or two races but not over the whole season long. Rosberg is just faster and can cope with the car better.

If you say so,but this is MS thread. MS vs Nico is another thread.


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Posted 11 September 2010 - 21:36

thank god for passionate fans rather than some of the arrogant nonesense written by some.

its a dull world where we are all so disspassionate and mature and wordly like muzza

how that poster could be seen as sad just leaves me speechless.

If you find reality sad, welcome to the world. Michael running the way he used to is cause for passion and, dare I say it, flags and silly face paint. But Michael running 0.5 off his teammate's times in qualifying is sad for a once great driver.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 00:52

EJ seems to think Schumacher has already chose to leave the team.


He's probably wrong but he has come up with a few gems of unbelievable knowledge before. Speaking for myself only, I hope he is right on this occasion for his sake and those around him.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 01:58

You mean that Nico get new chassis in Germany, where Michael get his old chassis? Maybe, but that was not the plan.

If those figures with chassic numbers are correct then yes,Michael use old Rosberg's chassic 02 since Germany GP.



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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:48

He's probably wrong but he has come up with a few gems of unbelievable knowledge before. Speaking for myself only, I hope he is right on this occasion for his sake and those around him.

his whole reasoning for it is that aparently alot of drivers have been visiting mercedes...

didnt they just lose heidfeld to pirreli? :rolleyes:

sometimes EJ should engage his brain

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:58

his whole reasoning for it is that aparently alot of drivers have been visiting mercedes...

didnt they just lose heidfeld to pirreli? :rolleyes:

sometimes EJ should engage his brain


What was the reason they didnt visit the ream at Spa if this was a case of people scrambling to get the highly sought 3rd driver roll at the team?

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 04:00

What was the reason they didnt visit the ream at Spa if this was a case of people scrambling to get the highly sought 3rd driver roll at the team?

theres loads of wannabe f1 drivers at monza if u didnt know bbc did a thing about them, maybe EJ is BSing about drivers visiting mercedes though wouldnt surprise me

cant see schumacher quitting next year and i cant see him beeing forced out.

hes been a good #2 not that far behind rosberg most races apart from when hes had tons of bad luck and its well known the car has massive flaws, next year would be the year to judge wether he has made the right decision coming back or not imo.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 06:22

There is wanna be F1 drivers at every race i dare say - more so when the GP2 circus is following.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 06:54

What an odd thing to say!!

"We feel like we're alive. again" Bit over the top isnt it?!!


No.
Here we have used Michael`s own words from the press-conference on 12\09\2009. It was clear that he was very excited about replacing Massa, so therefore not being able to make the comeback was devastating for him. He said: “I felt alive again and now I had to cancel all this.”

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:09

This banner is from hardcore Russian fans. Very emotional one. I hope Michael will pay attention on it,people did a hard job to create,bring and put it there.


Russians, Ukranians. Doesn't matter. It has no boundaries. I like to see a great amount of Michael's supporters in any country of the world. The main idea was to show the support and respect when the difficulties are all around. This is more clever and significant than producing loads of shit through the keyboard in the forum wars.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:02

Congrats on finally cracking the meaning on what a fan is..... Of course people lose interest when their heros retire. Oh that right, it's Schumacher! Someone get the fire extinguisher!


Thanks, Polle! :)

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:14

How is that worth a thumbs down? All he's saying is that he and his engineer have failed to come up with a working setup this weekend, as shown by him struggling with the car all over the place.


Okay, you're one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time. You've just been out-qualified by your teammate (yet again) by a half-second or so...

A reporter asks if you got the most you could out of the car:

"it's probably what my car was giving me"

For one of the greats, he sure sounds like he's just blaming his equipment, and such a statement sounds very uncertain, unenthusiastic and unmotivated.

I don't understand what's going on with MS, but he's got nothing to prove, so if he's not enjoying it, enjoy retirement or some other series...

Rosberg has three podiums this year. MS has none. Speaks for itself.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:44

Okay, you're one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time. You've just been out-qualified by your teammate (yet again) by a half-second or so...


Get your fact right the difference was 0.3 sec and not 0.5 sec.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:49

Okay, you're one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time. You've just been out-qualified by your teammate (yet again) by a half-second or so...

A reporter asks if you got the most you could out of the car:

"it's probably what my car was giving me"

For one of the greats, he sure sounds like he's just blaming his equipment, and such a statement sounds very uncertain, unenthusiastic and unmotivated.

I don't understand what's going on with MS, but he's got nothing to prove, so if he's not enjoying it, enjoy retirement or some other series...

Rosberg has three podiums this year. MS has none. Speaks for itself.

He maybe could have one podium if he was not hit in Australia. Button who hit Alonso and him, win in the end. Kubica was behind Button(when he hit Michael) and finish 2nd in the end. Michael was infront of them. I don't know but people forget that, in the first 4 races was made 40 points difference between Nico and Michael. In the next 9 races Nico made only 18 points more than Michael. With the luck playing big role in all this.


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Posted 12 September 2010 - 11:26

He maybe could have one podium if he was not hit in Australia. Button who hit Alonso and him, win in the end. Kubica was behind Button(when he hit Michael) and finish 2nd in the end. Michael was infront of them. I don't know but people forget that, in the first 4 races was made 40 points difference between Nico and Michael. In the next 9 races Nico made only 18 points more than Michael. With the luck playing big role in all this.

Never let the facts get in the way of a polarised point of view. We have to ignore the team's screw-ups with Nico's car? Like the wheel that fell off is not bad luck? Somehow Michael was on course for 3rd apparently? Very optimistic piece of projection. Nico has continued to dominate Michael in speed - if he could nail a good start from the clean side... no I won't go there because it's just idle speculation. I fail to see that Michael has had a season marked by particularly bad luck, just poor speed, particularly in qual. Yesterday was just another example of it.