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#5551 rog

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:43

And to prove my words, there were often voices in his former team Williams Toyota, saying that they were not quite happy with him. I remember Frank saying last year that they had better car than results or something like that.



You misunderstood this. The team made some errors and lost important points (especially early in the year) The team was very happy with him.

In Hungary, IIRC Schumacher had the faster lap.



Lol because the pit stop was messed up and he was out of the race. He was much faster in Hungary.

Edited by rog, 13 September 2010 - 08:44.


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#5552 aditya-now

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:47

I am sorry that some guys come here disappointed. But,this is their problem and their problem only. I, like Michael fan accept his performance this year, like I accepted it in his 15 years before 2006. Before race I said I would be happy if he get in top 10. And guess what, I am happy now.


Happy for you that you are happy, Ivan.

I am disappointed - although I never liked Schumacher, I have always rated him highly and felt that he could be a real contender again in 2010. Come China I knew Michael´s not gonna cut it. Now the question is simply, will they again have a special agreement with the tyre manufacturer to help Michael and is it going to work in 2011?

So you are happy and I am disappointed, yet the important thing is - is Michael happy with his own showings? If he is, all is well. If he is not, he will do everything possible to come back to real competitiveness, such is the spirit of Michael.

If he doesn´t make it again in 2011 I think he is going to retire. His stubbornness of course could even warrant him driving in 2012. If that will make him better at the age of 43 is an interesting question.

Edited by aditya-now, 13 September 2010 - 08:49.


#5553 ivand911

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:04

Interesting comments on the Red Button forum by Eddie Irvine about Schumacher (in relation to Massa). :eek:

And the comment was?


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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:20

You misunderstood this. The team made some errors and lost important points (especially early in the year) The team was very happy with him.




Lol because the pit stop was messed up and he was out of the race. He was much faster in Hungary.


Was that before or after he amassed a Trulli-esque train behind him?

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:25

Happy for you that you are happy, Ivan.

I am disappointed - although I never liked Schumacher, I have always rated him highly and felt that he could be a real contender again in 2010. Come China I knew Michael´s not gonna cut it. Now the question is simply, will they again have a special agreement with the tyre manufacturer to help Michael and is it going to work in 2011?

So you are happy and I am disappointed, yet the important thing is - is Michael happy with his own showings? If he is, all is well. If he is not, he will do everything possible to come back to real competitiveness, such is the spirit of Michael.

If he doesn´t make it again in 2011 I think he is going to retire. His stubbornness of course could even warrant him driving in 2012. If that will make him better at the age of 43 is an interesting question.


Schumacher is too arrogant and stubborn to quit. It is what characatarised his 1991-2006 career; the refusal to give up and push to the limit in terms of fitness, motivation, resources etc. Whether or not he can cut it is another matter. It won't stop him however.

I also think he is mentally too strong for the likes of the media and Rosberg to affect him. I also believe the Mercedes team value his input more than Rosberg's and have a feeling that the 2011 car will be geared more towards HIS preferences than Nico's. One doesn't know how Rosberg would cope in a top car and he could be another Fisichella - look great in a mid field car but falls at the last hurdle in a top flight car - whereas Schumacher is proven in a top flight team and top flight car. I hope Nico isn't another Fisichella however.


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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:31

Was that before or after he amassed a Trulli-esque train behind him?



Only Kubica was directly behind him. Without error a stable sixth place.

#5557 aditya-now

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:44

Schumacher is too arrogant and stubborn to quit. It is what characatarised his 1991-2006 career; the refusal to give up and push to the limit in terms of fitness, motivation, resources etc. Whether or not he can cut it is another matter. It won't stop him however.

I also think he is mentally too strong for the likes of the media and Rosberg to affect him. I also believe the Mercedes team value his input more than Rosberg's and have a feeling that the 2011 car will be geared more towards HIS preferences than Nico's. One doesn't know how Rosberg would cope in a top car and he could be another Fisichella - look great in a mid field car but falls at the last hurdle in a top flight car - whereas Schumacher is proven in a top flight team and top flight car. I hope Nico isn't another Fisichella however.


:up:

Very valid analysis.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 10:45

I personally don't think it has increased. It has remained static with a few exceptions in Schumacher's favour; Barcelona, Monaco, Turkey and Spa.

In Germany they were very closely matched throughout.
In Hungary, IIRC Schumacher had the faster lap.
Spa - Schumacher had a slight edge in pace and Nico only got past when his wet race set up favoured his car in the conditions.

In terms of pace I don't Schumacher is that far behind considering but his qualifying pace is probably 50% at fault for his woes. There's no reason for him to quit, considering that the prospects - on paper at least - look better for 2011.

It's quite funny, all the haters and critics come out of the woodwork and revel in Schumacher's woes when things aren't going to plan but this forum is eerily quiet when he has a half decent showing. So he only needs to quit when he is doing bad but should stay when he is doing half well? Very balanced... :rolleyes:

I'm glad some of you don't run your own F1 teams!


What did i say previously that makes me a hater?? All im trying to say is that i dont feel the gap has decreased and that i feel it is more than tyres which are the problem. I never mentioned anything about him quitting.


Brawn and everybody inside MGP have the data that i dont so my talk and your talk is speculation for now, if Schumi continues next year which i think he will then it will be down to him seeing something in the data which convinces him that he will be closer to Nico.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 11:56

What did i say previously that makes me a hater?? All im trying to say is that i dont feel the gap has decreased and that i feel it is more than tyres which are the problem. I never mentioned anything about him quitting.


Brawn and everybody inside MGP have the data that i dont so my talk and your talk is speculation for now, if Schumi continues next year which i think he will then it will be down to him seeing something in the data which convinces him that he will be closer to Nico.

I am sure if MGP are not happy with Michael or if they don't know the answer for his performance, he will not drive for them next season. If he is with them, maybe there is good answer.


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#5560 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 12:10

What did i say previously that makes me a hater?? All im trying to say is that i dont feel the gap has decreased and that i feel it is more than tyres which are the problem. I never mentioned anything about him quitting.


Brawn and everybody inside MGP have the data that i dont so my talk and your talk is speculation for now, if Schumi continues next year which i think he will then it will be down to him seeing something in the data which convinces him that he will be closer to Nico.



Sorry JannyG, I didn't mean to imply you were a hater, I was infact talking about the general feeling around here when Schumacher doesn't do so well that all the critics come out in force but are ominously quiet when he appears to be doing decent.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 12:14

Sorry JannyG, I didn't mean to imply you were a hater, I was infact talking about the general feeling around here when Schumacher doesn't do so well that all the critics come out in force but are ominously quiet when he appears to be doing decent.

To be fair, him 'doing decent' is what everyone expected at the start of the season and therefore there's very little to say. It's a compliment.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 12:27

It IS fair to say that Monza was one of Michael's better races this year... :up:

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 12:31

To be fair, him 'doing decent' is what everyone expected at the start of the season and therefore there's very little to say. It's a compliment.

To be fair we expected a lot from the team too. Winner car.

Edited by ivand911, 13 September 2010 - 12:31.


#5564 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 12:35

To be fair, him 'doing decent' is what everyone expected at the start of the season and therefore there's very little to say. It's a compliment.


To be fair we also expected better from BA..I mean Hond....I mean Braw....I mean Mercedes.

It's a trend we've seen from BAR/HONDA/BRAWN in the last few years. Their technical department seems to either produce a great car or a complete stinker. Let's hope that next year's car is a great one so both drivers can be at the front where they deserve.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 12:50

Again with the car thing. Take the discussion to the Rosberg and Schumacher scorecard and see how well it holds up.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 12:51

And the comment was?



It was along the lines of....


Irvine thought that in 2006, Massa had developed so much that he was nearly matching Schmacher in his prime, but now seeing him against Alonso, he says it was obviously down to Schumacher 'fading' rather than Massa coming up to Schumachers previous high level.

And that was 4 years ago! No wonder he can't perform now, his ability had already started to fade in 2006, maybe even 2005?

Now in 2010! ha ha!

Next year he's gonna be slower :wave:



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Posted 13 September 2010 - 15:59

It was along the lines of....


Irvine thought that in 2006, Massa had developed so much that he was nearly matching Schmacher in his prime, but now seeing him against Alonso, he says it was obviously down to Schumacher 'fading' rather than Massa coming up to Schumachers previous high level.

And that was 4 years ago! No wonder he can't perform now, his ability had already started to fade in 2006, maybe even 2005?

Now in 2010! ha ha!

Next year he's gonna be slower :wave:

Massa finish 2006 with 2/3 of the points Michael have. For now his percentage is better against Alonso. Will see.


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Posted 13 September 2010 - 16:08

Massa finish 2006 with 2/3 of the points Michael have. For now his percentage is better against Alonso. Will see.


Not saying I fully agree with Eddie but most people think Massa has improved alot since 06. For me he peaked in 08 but in the second half of this season he is getting back to his best post-head injury. On the whole I think he's closer to Alonso now than he was in his two seasons against Schumacher.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 16:10

It was along the lines of....


Irvine thought that in 2006, Massa had developed so much that he was nearly matching Schmacher in his prime, but now seeing him against Alonso, he says it was obviously down to Schumacher 'fading' rather than Massa coming up to Schumachers previous high level.

And that was 4 years ago! No wonder he can't perform now, his ability had already started to fade in 2006, maybe even 2005?

Now in 2010! ha ha!

Next year he's gonna be slower :wave:


Massa was outqualified, out raced and out scored by Schumacher by a significant margin. There are plenty of people out there that can (or could) match Schumacher for one lap pace, but not his consistency and that is what set him apart from other drivers. Infact, there are probably a dozen F1 drivers who are/were possibly faster than Schumacher in terms of raw 1 lap pace.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 13 September 2010 - 16:11.


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Posted 15 September 2010 - 15:19

It´s funny to see the Michael Schumacher thread muted for two full days.

The Schumacher antagonists have not much more to add after Monza, and the Schumacher apologists have not much more to defend after Monza. That´s the way things go, Schumacher is fading.

What I found funny was Eddie Jordan´s wild theories on Michael´s departure from the team and how he pulled back when Jake asked him about it..... :lol:

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 15:45

It´s funny to see the Michael Schumacher thread muted for two full days.

The Schumacher antagonists have not much more to add after Monza, and the Schumacher apologists have not much more to defend after Monza. That´s the way things go, Schumacher is fading.


Great conclusion at page 140 of the thread. See you at page 280, with the same conclusion. :lol:

Edited by Diablobb81, 15 September 2010 - 15:46.


#5572 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 16:35

It´s funny to see the Michael Schumacher thread muted for two full days.

The Schumacher antagonists have not much more to add after Monza, and the Schumacher apologists have not much more to defend after Monza. That´s the way things go, Schumacher is fading.

What I found funny was Eddie Jordan´s wild theories on Michael´s departure from the team and how he pulled back when Jake asked him about it..... :lol:


Eddie Jordan was on typical EJ form all weekend, like a journalist from a gutter-press newspaper; coming up with wild theories with nothing to back them up.

Gotta say, at least he's consistent. Just when I was warming him to him as well :D

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 16:46

Massa was outqualified, out raced and out scored by Schumacher by a significant margin. There are plenty of people out there that can (or could) match Schumacher for one lap pace, but not his consistency and that is what set him apart from other drivers. Infact, there are probably a dozen F1 drivers who are/were possibly faster than Schumacher in terms of raw 1 lap pace.

I do wonder how much of that is down to setup vs driving style - I remember a similar discussion being had on here comparing Kovalainen and Hamilton, and the discussion was finished when Hamilton gave an interview in which he said Heikki ran a much more qualifying oriented setup (what this would entail specifically, I don't know) as opposed to Lewis' race setup, explaining the fact that Heikki was frequently as quick/quicker (ignoring his Q3 truck like fuel loads). Of course this only applies now we have Parc Fermé, and whilst I do recall some stunning qualifying performances from Schumacher in his early career (e.g. Monaco '96), I can't quite remember when PF came into play so can't compare his qualifying form before and after.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 21:16

I even think Schumacher was losing it the last season he did for Ferrari(2006).... His margin to Massa wasn't that big anymore, was Massa getting better or was Schumacher just losing it there already(?), I think the latter. And is his Mercedes story so far the same line he already was walking back then? .... I think so...

#5575 aditya-now

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 21:20

I even think Schumacher was losing it the last season he did for Ferrari(2006).... His margin to Massa wasn't that big anymore, was Massa getting better or was Schumacher just losing it there already(?), I think the latter. And is his Mercedes story so far the same line he already was walking back then? .... I think so...


Just watched the Eddie Irvine interview at the BBC Forum in Monza, and his point that Schumacher was already fading in 2006 isn´t that far-fetched. Of course, the few remaining hard core Schumacher fans that are vocal here on the BB (I count about 15 of them here) will not want to hear it, but they are worshipping a pilot on the descent.


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Posted 15 September 2010 - 23:56

The Schumacher antagonists have not much more to add after Monza, and the Schumacher apologists have not much more to defend after Monza. That´s the way things go, Schumacher is fading.


The fact that you have stopped spamming the threads with repetitive criticisms is evidence that he is 'fading'?

Yeah. That makes sense.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 03:41

The fact that you have stopped spamming the threads with repetitive criticisms is evidence that he is 'fading'?

Yeah. That makes sense.

Just a defender of the faith perhaps - or should that be non-faith. :lol:
Michael will inevitably always attract much media activity and polarised opinions. I have strong, but ambivalent views of him, like Senna. Funny that some accuse me of being a "hater".
I find your posts usually have a balance FWIW. :)

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 03:58

Just a defender of the faith perhaps - or should that be non-faith. :lol:
Michael will inevitably always attract much media activity and polarised opinions. I have strong, but ambivalent views of him, like Senna. Funny that some accuse me of being a "hater".
I find your posts usually have a balance FWIW. :)

Its simple enough.. Michael had a quiet race, not bad but not great. There isnt that much to talk about which is why people arent talking that much. Events elsewhere are much more interesting this week (yay nick)

I was simply commenting on the silly remark made here that noone talking was symbolic of something. Maybe just of symbolism in general.

And yes, there is still a core of people prepared to think about things and express nuanced views around here.. There always has been. Its the only reason Im here at all now, I decided I can see past the white noise after all.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 05:02

Its simple enough.. Michael had a quiet race, not bad but not great. There isnt that much to talk about which is why people arent talking that much. Events elsewhere are much more interesting this week (yay nick)

I was simply commenting on the silly remark made here that noone talking was symbolic of something. Maybe just of symbolism in general.

And yes, there is still a core of people prepared to think about things and express nuanced views around here.. There always has been. Its the only reason Im here at all now, I decided I can see past the white noise after all.


It also shows his dislike or contempt for the car, Monza being a reasonably simple non technical track, isn't the track that you will find big differences in the drivers. Coulthart mentioned the same after he watched MS for a bit.


Try the ignore option, actually makes a difference.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 12:48

Hearing that Sutil is leading contender to replace Schumacher at season's end IF he leaves Mercedes. Sutil out of contract at Force India
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 12:55

I would be quite dissapointed if Schumacher was kicked out after this season, I am quite looking forward to seeing him embarass himself next year just like he has this year. After all, someone has to provide the comedy and his performances have often done just that.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 13:13

I would be quite dissapointed if Schumacher was kicked out after this season, I am quite looking forward to seeing him embarass himself next year just like he has this year. After all, someone has to provide the comedy and his performances have often done just that.


Yes but you have to concede that the inter-team rivalry at Merc has become increasingly predictable to the point where for the sake of the spectacle it would be beneficial if Rosberg had a better teammate. In the same way as when Piquet had Rebaque, Senna had Dumfries and Nakajima, Prost had Cheever and so on, we the fans are being denied better entertainment because instead of seeing two drivers in the same team push each other we are seeing a one sided battle where Rosberg is beating M Schumacher by a cricket score. I would much prefer to see a driver that could at least Give Rosberg a harder time. It's just a waste of a good GP seat for the sake of merchandise sales.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 13:19

Just watched the Eddie Irvine interview at the BBC Forum in Monza, and his point that Schumacher was already fading in 2006 isn´t that far-fetched.


Yet, his stats compared to Massa are at the same level as with previous team-mates. So what is this claim based on?

http://www.f1-facts....es/M.Schumacher

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 14:31

I would be quite dissapointed if Schumacher was kicked out after this season, I am quite looking forward to seeing him embarass himself next year just like he has this year. After all, someone has to provide the comedy and his performances have often done just that.


Actually having raced cars and that which your clear lack of respect shows that you haven't, I respect every guy out there who's doing it.

Go and check out the current backmarkers resume's and how they got to be in F1 and theres no "comparitively speaking" exit card either, these guys for the most are simply the best open wheel drivers in the world, everyone of them deserves a chance on that grid and not one of them is embarrassing themselves.

Do you know who came 2nd at the last F3 race? Do you know who came second at the last F2 race? Do you even know who won either? But you well know the top ten result and possibly the entire field result for the last F1 race.

Out of interest I just ran around a few cyber shops for F1 merchandise and it will hugely disappoint you to know that MS items, shirts, model cars etc, are all on the best seller lists at the highest prices including Autosport shop so it may appear to some that that would put your comments into a minority.


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Posted 16 September 2010 - 14:38

Go and check out the current backmarkers resume's and how they got to be in F1 and theres no "comparitively speaking" exit card either, these guys for the most are simply the best open wheel drivers in the world, everyone of them deserves a chance on that grid and not one of them is embarrassing themselves.


Schumacher is very much embarrassing his resume. Getting hammered by a journeyman Rosberg is ridiculous.

Out of interest I just ran around a few cyber shops for F1 merchandise and it will hugely disappoint you to know that MS items, shirts, model cars etc, are all on the best seller lists at the highest prices including Autosport shop so it may appear to some that that would put your comments into a minority.


That is the only reason MS is still at Merc. If he was a no name driver he would already been kicked out.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 14:38

Yet, his stats compared to Massa are at the same level as with previous team-mates. So what is this claim based on?


Nothing.

2006 results....

Michael Schumacher
2 6 Ret 1 1 2 5 2 2 1 1 1 Ret 3 1 1 Ret 4

9 5 Ret 4 3 4 9 5 5 2 3 2 7 1 9 Ret 2 1
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 14:43

Schumacher is very much embarrassing his resume. Getting hammered by a journeyman Rosberg is ridiculous.


That is the only reason MS is still at Merc. If he was a no name driver he would already been kicked out.


Yeah sure, 7xWDC resume so easy to damage right? hey guess what, MS is the most successful driver in the history of F1, Google it if you don't believe me.....

And that "journeyman" has been pretty darn impressive by any standards MS teammate or no.

Performance aside you have no idea what input MS is giving, drivers like Patrese got top team drives for this very reason. And gee whizz, Mercedes like to sell more cars, the Devils.

Edited by cheapracer, 16 September 2010 - 14:48.


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Posted 16 September 2010 - 15:24

I guess 90% of this forum goes by the old saying.. "You're only as good as your last race"...

What made McLaren so strong for so many years for the continuity of Mika/David..
What made Ferrari so strong was the continuity of MS/Rubens/Massa

You can't keep swap out the the slower of the 2 every year without affecting the overall performance of the team.

Even next year, if MS is slower then Nico.. it's probably still in the best interest of the team to keep on board for as long as they can. He's still better then 75% of the grid even if he has lot it a bit.

Once the team has the design department work out and they have well balanced car that doesn't have probblem with the tires and solid reliability then they can look into the driver performances to make a run at the championship. However, before they have a race winning car.. the current drivers are more then capable of the task at hand right now.

ONCE AGAIN, it isn't the drivers that holding back the team from winning.. it's the design team! Fix that first.. then and only then look at the drivers.

Edited by Paco, 16 September 2010 - 15:25.


#5589 aditya-now

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 16:15

I would be quite dissapointed if Schumacher was kicked out after this season, I am quite looking forward to seeing him embarass himself next year just like he has this year. After all, someone has to provide the comedy and his performances have often done just that.


Well, he provides cheap entertainment, but I´d rather watch a driver in his heyday. And in Schumacher´s case, the comedy could still turn into a tragedy, taking into account his driving style. Nobody would want that....


#5590 ivand911

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 16:51

Some people like cheap entertainment. But,it is hard to call F1 cheap.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 19:22

Would anyone happen to know where I could see some onboard footage from Schumacher's first lap of the Italian Grand Prix? I have been looking for some, but no luck... (Hi, I'm the new guy. :wave:)

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 19:37

Would anyone happen to know where I could see some onboard footage from Schumacher's first lap of the Italian Grand Prix? I have been looking for some, but no luck... (Hi, I'm the new guy. :wave:)

http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!
Nice overtake on Webber from outside, with lousy car. Constant corrections with the wheel. Why is he slow? This is a tough one.

Edited by ivand911, 16 September 2010 - 19:45.


#5593 Wilgot

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 19:59

http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!
Nice overtake on Webber from outside, with lousy car. Constant corrections with the wheel. Why is he slow? This is a tough one.


Exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much! Very nice start, he was even ahead of Vettel for a few seconds... but what happens at 1:19?

#5594 ivand911

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 20:03

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much! Very nice start, he was even ahead of Vettel for a few seconds... but what happens at 1:19?

He said something about Hamilton, but his rear was coming off all the time. Can he slide on tyre brake mark from Lewis car? But, to overtake someone who start 8 places infront of him is something.

Edited by ivand911, 16 September 2010 - 20:09.


#5595 Wilgot

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 22:06

He said something about Hamilton, but his rear was coming off all the time. Can he slide on tyre brake mark from Lewis car? But, to overtake someone who start 8 places infront of him is something.


Hm, possibly. I just thought it looked a little weird, but I guess he couldn't have kept Vettel behind him too long anyway... He has done a lot of good starts this year, if the other parts of his races had been as good as his starts he could have been leading the championship! :cool:

#5596 ivand911

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 06:55

Hm, possibly. I just thought it looked a little weird, but I guess he couldn't have kept Vettel behind him too long anyway... He has done a lot of good starts this year, if the other parts of his races had been as good as his starts he could have been leading the championship! :cool:

He need to improve qualifications. But, he really hate that car.


#5597 jonathanknevels

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:30

Schumi just overdid that corner, first little bit of understeer, then oversteer


#5598 cheapracer

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:39

http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!
Nice overtake on Webber from outside, with lousy car. Constant corrections with the wheel. Why is he slow? This is a tough one.


I note later that Webber repaid the favour at the same spot.


#5599 as65p

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:00

Schumi just overdid that corner, first little bit of understeer, then oversteer


Obviously. :up:

But not half as exciting as labeling it a titanic struggle against an undriveable car.  ;)

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#5600 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:12

Obviously. :up:

But not half as exciting as labeling it a titanic struggle against an undriveable car.  ;)


It's obviously not undriveable (see my post comparing the HRT vs the Red Bull for for what an undriveable really is!) as the car obviously has a great engine/gearbox combo and good traction. It does suffer in high speed corners with understeer and its hard to pinpoint and accurately place the car where you want it, thereby losing speed in the process.