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#5601 ivand911

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:16

Obviously. :up:

But not half as exciting as labeling it a titanic struggle against an undriveable car.  ;)

You say it is underivable. No body else use this word.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:21

He's still better then 75% of the grid


An interesting comment. I'm not sure that he is (not 'bashing' here, just looking at the statement in the cold light of day) but that depends what you consider constitutes being 'better'.

With 24 drivers o the grid you're suggesting there are only six, or thereabouts, 'better' than the Michael Schumacher of 2010. That's a fair comment, but it does take some believing. I would safely say that the following six are, without doubt, currently 'better' than Michael (in no particular order): Alonso, Hamilton, Webber, Kubica, Button, Vettel, Rosberg. The last one, of course, is going to raise some arguments, but I don't see how it can be suggested otherwise. That leaves us to consider others such as Massa, Sutil, Barrichello - all of whom can have valid arguments made for them - and maybe the occasional flourish from the likes of Kobayashi, Hulkenberg, and so on. I think I would safely agree that he's easily 'better' than 50% of the field, but 75% is pushing it a little on the form we've seen so far. If he can't adapt to a car he 'doesn't like', after all, he can't really be that good, can he?


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:22

http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!
Nice overtake on Webber from outside, with lousy car. Constant corrections with the wheel. Why is he slow? This is a tough one.


It's not a lousy car. It's just not as good as 3 other cars out there.

There's about 20 drivers out there i'd guess who'd rather be in the MGP race car than what they're in.

Nice lap from MSC though.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:40

It's not a lousy car. It's just not as good as 3 other cars out there.

There's about 20 drivers out there i'd guess who'd rather be in the MGP race car than what they're in.

Nice lap from MSC though.

about 20? :rotfl:

alonso, massa would rather be in a ferrari

hamilton, button would rather be in a mclaren.

vettel, webber would rather be in a redbull.

kubica would rather be in a renault

theres only 24 drivers and thats 7 of them who almost certainly wouldnt switch.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:02

about 20? :rotfl:

alonso, massa would rather be in a ferrari

hamilton, button would rather be in a mclaren.

vettel, webber would rather be in a redbull.

kubica would rather be in a renault

theres only 24 drivers and thats 7 of them who almost certainly wouldnt switch.


It's just a guess but pick your own number.

3 at HRT, 3 at Virgin, 3 at Lotus, 3 at FI, 3 at Sauber, 3 at TR, etc.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:45

It's just a guess but pick your own number.

3 at HRT, 3 at Virgin, 3 at Lotus, 3 at FI, 3 at Sauber, 3 at TR, etc.

how the hell can you count people who dont actually drive the car anyway? ofcourse they would gladly go to HRT if they could actually drive the thing.

by your new found logic theres atleast a billion other drivers out there who's rather be in the MGP race car than what theyre in.

i can prove that now by stepping into the street and asking random motorists :rolleyes: how many of those 3rd drivers are actually in an f1 car? i bet 90% of them only get to go on the simulator and thats if there team even has one.

only 25 drivers have actually been in a race and you cant count chandhok when ofcourse he would rather be in any f1 car than on bbc 5 live

Edited by arknor, 17 September 2010 - 11:49.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:52

how the hell can you count people who dont actually drive the car anyway? ofcourse they would gladly go to HRT if they could actually drive the thing.

by your new found logic theres atleast a billion other drivers out there who's rather be in the MGP race car than what theyre in.

i can prove that now by stepping into the street and asking random motorists :rolleyes: how many of those 3rd drivers are actually in an f1 car? i bet 90% of them only get to go on the simulator and thats if there team even has one


Don't be obtuse.

Would you rather be HRT test driver or MGP test driver. Do you think Fuazy would give up his test role for the MGP test role.

Nothing wrong with that logic. It's a perfectly sound measure of how lousy the car isn't.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:01

Don't be obtuse.

Would you rather be HRT test driver or MGP test driver. Do you think Fuazy would give up his test role for the MGP test role.

Nothing wrong with that logic. It's a perfectly sound measure of how lousy the car isn't.

logic suggests a racing driver would want to be in a team where he has a chance of driving the car regardless of how bad it is.

he would never get a chance to drive the MGP so hes never going to impress anyone there ofcourse he would rather be with HRT where he might get to drive a practice session

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:01

Don't be obtuse.

Would you rather be HRT test driver or MGP test driver. Do you think Fuazy would give up his test role for the MGP test role.

Nothing wrong with that logic. It's a perfectly sound measure of how lousy the car isn't.

logic suggests a racing driver would want to be in a team where he has a chance of driving the car regardless of how bad it is.

he would never get a chance to drive the MGP so hes never going to impress anyone there ofcourse he would rather be with HRT where he might get to drive a practice session.

not bothering to answer anymore replies on the subject as your just getting ridiculous now

Edited by arknor, 17 September 2010 - 12:02.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:01

Don't be obtuse.

Would you rather be HRT test driver or MGP test driver. Do you think Fuazy would give up his test role for the MGP test role.

Nothing wrong with that logic. It's a perfectly sound measure of how lousy the car isn't.


No, it's a measure of the status of the team, not the car.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:10

logic suggests a racing driver would want to be in a team where he has a chance of driving the car regardless of how bad it is.

he would never get a chance to drive the MGP so hes never going to impress anyone there ofcourse he would rather be with HRT where he might get to drive a practice session.

not bothering to answer anymore replies on the subject as your just getting ridiculous now


That's not the point is it.

Mr. Driver do you chose job A with HRT or job A with MGP where job A is the same in both cases. Job A with MGP please because the car is better.

Ergo, there are about 20 current F1 professional drivers employed by current F1 francisees who would be happy to swap their current job for an identical one with MGP. because the car is better.

I respect your right to not reply. Have a nice day.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:37

Mr. Driver do you chose job A with HRT or job A with MGP where job A is the same in both cases. Job A with MGP please because the car is better.


But that wouldn't be his answer: his answer would be Job A with MGP because it's Mercedes Benz, a major name that is known the world over and will get me much better exposure than HRT which isn't and won't, no matter how the cars compare.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:40

http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!
Nice overtake on Webber from outside, with lousy car. Constant corrections with the wheel. Why is he slow? This is a tough one.


That´s an very interesting video.
To me it looks like he has the car which he asks for, a pointy front end and mid corner oversteer.
He has no problems getting the car into lesmo 1, the car steers in good and then he gets oversteer.
The same happens in the others corners.

But you ask: "why is he slow?", I think you have the answer there, you just can´t be sliding the car today
you lose too much time. That´s why Vettel could overtake him in Lesmo

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:43

That´s an very interesting video.
To me it looks like he has the car which he asks for, a pointy front end and mid corner oversteer.
He has no problems getting the car into lesmo 1, the car steers in good and then he gets oversteer.
The same happens in the others corners.

But you ask: "why is he slow?", I think you have the answer there, you just can´t be sliding the car today
you lose too much time. That´s why Vettel could overtake him in Lesmo


Well, yeah, it's either that, or a badly compromised setup where they've taken rear grip away to make the thing turn in at all.. we can only guess

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:47

But that wouldn't be his answer: his answer would be Job A with MGP because it's Mercedes Benz, a major name that is known the world over and will get me much better exposure than HRT which isn't and won't, no matter how the cars compare.


I think we're off topic but.

Virgin is a major name that is known the world over and will get ......etc. You'd still choose a Sauber or Williams. BrawnGP was not a name known the world over.

Racing drivers want the best car they can get their hands on not the best brand.



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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:50

I think we're off topic but.

Virgin is a major name that is known the world over and will get ......etc. You'd still choose a Sauber or Williams. BrawnGP was not a name known the world over.

Racing drivers want the best car they can get their hands on not the best brand.


Virgin is a well known brand, but not in motor racing. It means nothing to a driver wanting to forward his career. Brawn GP only came into being because Honda pulled out; you'll notice that it rapidly became Mercedes in order to survive.

Of course racing drivers want the best car they can get their hands on, but your example was a choice between HRT and Mercedes with the reason being that the driver would choose the Mercedes simply because the car was better. He wouldn't, he'd choose it because its Mercedes.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 14:21

Well, yeah, it's either that, or a badly compromised setup where they've taken rear grip away to make the thing turn in at all.. we can only guess

This ties in very nicely with what Brawn was describing on the BBC F1 forum after the Italian GP (he was talking about the W01 in general, not just Michael's setup). He basically said that one of the fundamental problems with the car is the large balance change between turn-in and apex, from understeer to oversteer, and that in trying to address this (for example by adding front wing) it made very little difference to the turn-in understeer, but made the mid-corner oversteer MUCH worse.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 16:49

That´s an very interesting video.
To me it looks like he has the car which he asks for, a pointy front end and mid corner oversteer.
He has no problems getting the car into lesmo 1, the car steers in good and then he gets oversteer.
The same happens in the others corners.

But you ask: "why is he slow?", I think you have the answer there, you just can´t be sliding the car today
you lose too much time. That´s why Vettel could overtake him in Lesmo



Throughout FP1, FP2, FP3, Qualifying and the race, the Mercedes GP cars were up there with the best of them in sector one. The car was brilliant through the first sector - both drivers were in fact. Then they lost bundles of time from the Lesmos to the Parabolica (I believe it was well over 1 to 1.5 seconds respectively) for both of them.

Vettle overtook him because Schumacher slid following Hamilton's excursion into the graveltrap. He was off line and off balance. Even a Schumacher hater can see that.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 17:40

This ties in very nicely with what Brawn was describing on the BBC F1 forum after the Italian GP (he was talking about the W01 in general, not just Michael's setup). He basically said that one of the fundamental problems with the car is the large balance change between turn-in and apex, from understeer to oversteer, and that in trying to address this (for example by adding front wing) it made very little difference to the turn-in understeer, but made the mid-corner oversteer MUCH worse.


Interesting. Do you have a link to the interview?

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 19:03

Interesting. Do you have a link to the interview?

Sure, though you may have to be quick as it might be removed from youtube due to copyright reasons .

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 19:46

I like the interview ,especially the part about new young engineers and man form Michelin. Don't know if this young engineers will have enough experience?

Young Michael: http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded
Very focused and honest.
Here with Ralf: http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

Edited by ivand911, 18 September 2010 - 09:09.


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Posted 18 September 2010 - 20:44

Whoops, it seems I got the oversteer/understeer the wrong way round watching that clip again. The problem of the balance change still exists though.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 00:33

Don't give Schumacher a hard time. I have been at the thick end of it for the last 2 days with regards to him. Why did he get number 1 priority status. I know. Why is he struggling? I know. This has been one seriously wierd weekend. I am a bit freaked out by it. I cant comment too much about it, but it is due to the lack of testing.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 03:14

This ties in very nicely with what Brawn was describing on the BBC F1 forum after the Italian GP (he was talking about the W01 in general, not just Michael's setup). He basically said that one of the fundamental problems with the car is the large balance change between turn-in and apex, from understeer to oversteer, and that in trying to address this (for example by adding front wing) it made very little difference to the turn-in understeer, but made the mid-corner oversteer MUCH worse.


From what I see with the many in car hours I have of this year, MS has turn in OS which turns into mid corner US necessitating snap OS on exit.

The snap exit OS was very visable at Monza and nothing like any incar of MS's style in the previous era.


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Posted 19 September 2010 - 09:54

Don't give Schumacher a hard time. I have been at the thick end of it for the last 2 days with regards to him. Why did he get number 1 priority status. I know. Why is he struggling? I know. This has been one seriously wierd weekend. I am a bit freaked out by it. I cant comment too much about it, but it is due to the lack of testing.

Ooo - interesting. Whatever you can tell us then (or clarify a little more on what is already in the public domain) will be good. Otherwise, don't risk saying stuff you think you're unable to.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 10:21

Don't give Schumacher a hard time. I have been at the thick end of it for the last 2 days with regards to him. Why did he get number 1 priority status. I know. Why is he struggling? I know. This has been one seriously wierd weekend. I am a bit freaked out by it. I cant comment too much about it, but it is due to the lack of testing.


In that case (not impossible of course) it's not a definitive explanation, more like a hopeful possibility. Because there's obviously no guarantee that MS would profit more from testing than other drivers, especially Rosberg. I guess it's fair to say every driver on the grid would gain from testing as it was in the past.

Edited by as65p, 19 September 2010 - 10:21.


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Posted 19 September 2010 - 10:24

In that case (not impossible of course) it's not a definitive explanation, more like a hopeful possibility. Because there's obviously no guarantee that MS would profit more from testing than other drivers, especially Rosberg. I guess it's fair to say every driver on the grid would gain from testing as it was in the past.


Yes, but certainly not as much as newcomers would

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 10:30

Don't give Schumacher a hard time. I have been at the thick end of it for the last 2 days with regards to him. Why did he get number 1 priority status. I know. Why is he struggling? I know. This has been one seriously wierd weekend. I am a bit freaked out by it. I cant comment too much about it, but it is due to the lack of testing.

It is enough for me. :)


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Posted 19 September 2010 - 10:44

It is enough for me. :)


Sure. Pesky details could only hurt, so better leave them in the dark, right? :p

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 10:55

Sure. Pesky details could only hurt, so better leave them in the dark, right? :p

Right, I prefer this instead "if I tell you, I have to kill you" line. :rotfl: Sometimes you can't share information and sources. Take it or leave it. If she can tell us more will be nice.

Edited by ivand911, 19 September 2010 - 10:56.


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Posted 19 September 2010 - 11:58

Right, I prefer this instead "if I tell you, I have to kill you" line. :rotfl: Sometimes you can't share information and sources. Take it or leave it. If she can tell us more will be nice.

whos mandizipop to get credibility so fast?

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 12:30

From what I see with the many in car hours I have of this year, MS has turn in OS which turns into mid corner US necessitating snap OS on exit.

The snap exit OS was very visable at Monza and nothing like any incar of MS's style in the previous era.

You are correct - when I thought about my original post and compared it to the footage I have seen this year it didn't match, so I watched the BBC interview again and it turns out my post was the wrong way round :blush:.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 12:48

Ooo - interesting. Whatever you can tell us then (or clarify a little more on what is already in the public domain) will be good. Otherwise, don't risk saying stuff you think you're unable to.


I was listening in on a conversation from some guys from Mercedes in a pub in Brackley on Friday night (whilst pretending to read this weeks Autosport mag). On Saturday I was at the World Series by Renault, and whilst I was in the motorhome (well more of a kitchen than anything else) I mentioned the conversation that I had overheard and one of the guys that had worked with him (back in the Benneton days) said he was wonderful to work with and a genuinely nice man who knows how to make people feel really special, he also mentioned that Michael was a hard worker. There isn't that much I can add, other than the way Michael treats people which was very evident that it was a glowing report.

I guess some people really must just have that knack of making people feel good and make you want to do your best to help them in anyway you can. I got the distinct impression Michael was one of those people.

It is stuff that is in the public domain but I heard it from people that are and have worked with him. Thats all. What a fantastic weekend.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 13:04

If I was living close to Brackley( I live very very far from there), this would be my favourite pub from now on(Friday night especially). Next time use other magazine, Autosport mag is telling to much. :) Thanks.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 13:43

I was listening in on a conversation from some guys from Mercedes in a pub in Brackley on Friday night (whilst pretending to read this weeks Autosport mag). On Saturday I was at the World Series by Renault, and whilst I was in the motorhome (well more of a kitchen than anything else) I mentioned the conversation that I had overheard and one of the guys that had worked with him (back in the Benneton days) said he was wonderful to work with and a genuinely nice man who knows how to make people feel really special, he also mentioned that Michael was a hard worker. There isn't that much I can add, other than the way Michael treats people which was very evident that it was a glowing report.

I guess some people really must just have that knack of making people feel good and make you want to do your best to help them in anyway you can. I got the distinct impression Michael was one of those people.

It is stuff that is in the public domain but I heard it from people that are and have worked with him. Thats all. What a fantastic weekend.


Thanks for your kind report, Mandzipop.

Indeed, Michael knows when to make people feel good and special - when it profits him.
Also, Michael knows, when to make people feel awkward and bad (ask Barrichello, Irvine, Frentzen, Hill et al) - again, if and when it is helpful to Michael´s pursuits, he is ready to literally put other people into the wall.

So you can have it both ways with Michael.

On that note: I was always very suspicious about the weak showing of Irvine in Japan 1999, when he was 2 seconds off the pace. Finally, with Eddie Irvine giving his interview in the BBC Forum after Monza, my view is confirmed. Of course Michael wanted to become the first Ferrari WDC since Jody Scheckter....
You may think it´s sour grapes. I rather see it as a typical insight into Michael Schumacher´s character.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 15:40

Thanks for your kind report, Mandzipop.

Indeed, Michael knows when to make people feel good and special - when it profits him.
Also, Michael knows, when to make people feel awkward and bad (ask Barrichello, Irvine, Frentzen, Hill et al) - again, if and when it is helpful to Michael´s pursuits, he is ready to literally put other people into the wall.


So you can have it both ways with Michael.

On that note: I was always very suspicious about the weak showing of Irvine in Japan 1999, when he was 2 seconds off the pace. Finally, with Eddie Irvine giving his interview in the BBC Forum after Monza, my view is confirmed. Of course Michael wanted to become the first Ferrari WDC since Jody Scheckter....
You may think it´s sour grapes. I rather see it as a typical insight into Michael Schumacher´s character.


In my opinion that is simply on track ruthlessness, a trait which ultimately has been very successful for him, his true weakness being the inability to realise when that ruthlessness went too far.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 10:52

More talk that Schumacher may be off:

http://joesaward.wor...ael-schumacher/

Joe suggested the German media would accept a "it's my neck" reasoning but personally I don't agree. I think if he did blame his neck everyone would see straight through it and it would be a rather silly excuse. Perhaps we saw a hint of the approach Schumacher may take in the recent BBC interview where he suggested he may not be as quick as the young drivers now... maybe if Schumacher does decide to not race next year, he will simply be honest and state he isn't quick enough now to compete against the younger drivers.

I don't think that will do him any discredit what so ever... everyone gets old.. and everyone knows and accepts that age hinders performance eventually. I think if Schumacher was open about this people will respect him for that and respect him for having a go.

So if you're reading this Michael.. be honest and open, your fans will salute that far more than an excuse relating to your neck.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 11:57

If he does retire and bullshits about the reasons why - ie makes an excuse like his neck - his legacy will be damage - IMO.

If he is honest, I think he'll probably come out of it better and his legacy will be enhanced. Afterall, he still has a very high level of speed and is better than 8-10 drivers on the current grid despite the age/sabbatical issues.

I think he'll stick around however.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 12:28

This is typical article by Joe about MS. Nothing new from this guy. He never write about English drivers or criticize them? Because he write what his public want to listen. He wouldn't be popular if he say that some English driver did mistake or is wrong about something. But what do with the guy , he try to survive.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 12:44

This is typical article by Joe about MS. Nothing new from this guy. He never write about English drivers or criticize them? Because he write what his public want to listen. He wouldn't be popular if he say that some English driver did mistake or is wrong about something. But what do with the guy , he try to survive.


Well, with respect Ivan, Saward can be equally hard hitting with British drivers. Or Spanish, or French, or whatever, if there is something to be written. I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to take on board that he opens this piece with a line that clearly explains it is speculation. That's what we deal in on here, too. There is nothing particularly new in what he says - it's what myself and many others have speculated about all season - and while Saward is known not to be a fan of Michael, he's right: there is increasing speculation that he will retire.


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Posted 20 September 2010 - 15:57

Well, with respect Ivan, Saward can be equally hard hitting with British drivers. Or Spanish, or French, or whatever, if there is something to be written. I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to take on board that he opens this piece with a line that clearly explains it is speculation. That's what we deal in on here, too. There is nothing particularly new in what he says - it's what myself and many others have speculated about all season - and while Saward is known not to be a fan of Michael, he's right: there is increasing speculation that he will retire.


I don't think he will retire. I think he'll want to see how he does in a car more suited to his driving style and preferences. Afterall, the MGP team have been tailoring the car towards MS's (or NR's) needs since the middle of the year. There's no need for him to retire - yet anyway.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 16:06

there is increasing speculation that he will retire.

And from where speculations like this came from? From the same guys all the time: Joe, EJ and other pundits. :) I prefer to trust RB, NH and Michael when they talk about future.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 17:09

And from where speculations like this came from? From the same guys all the time: Joe, EJ and other pundits. :) I prefer to trust RB, NH and Michael when they talk about future.

increasing speculation ir just that BS to try and get views on some guys blog, isnt this the same guy whos been bashing schumacher ever since he anounced his come back?

#5644 Paco

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 17:15

Too funny. Crap gossip and people actually start building up momentum into believing it. Guess a lot of people will be crushed when they seem him racing next season the W02.

Too funny too on that this news about him leaving comes on the Eve of Brawn saying the W02 is looking good on paper and it seems they understand what is wrong with the W01. So they build a good car for next year (maybe) and they'll let MS go ... for who.. Kimi LOL LOL LOL



#5645 Clatter

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 18:31

Too funny. Crap gossip and people actually start building up momentum into believing it. Guess a lot of people will be crushed when they seem him racing next season the W02.

Too funny too on that this news about him leaving comes on the Eve of Brawn saying the W02 is looking good on paper and it seems they understand what is wrong with the W01. So they build a good car for next year (maybe) and they'll let MS go ... for who.. Kimi LOL LOL LOL


Every car looks good on paper. It's not as if any team is going to say they are designing a crap one.

#5646 Saturnus

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 19:13

A bit surprised that Brawn mention Schumacher and the Pirelli tires especially.
Schumacher might improve if the tires suit his driving style, but the team should not tailor the car for him.

They should focus on building a fast car first. I'm sure Rosberg will deliver if they build him a fast car.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 19:26

Regardless whether the car looks good on paper or toilet paper, it doesn't address the issue of Merc being a one driver team in terms of bringing home the bacon.

Fighting with one hand tied behind your back is not reccomended in this competitive day and age.

#5648 ivand911

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 19:37

Regardless whether the car looks good on paper or toilet paper, it doesn't address the issue of Merc being a one driver team in terms of bringing home the bacon.

Fighting with one hand tied behind your back is not reccomended in this competitive day and age.


LOL Tell this to Force India, Renault, Sauber. Truth is that 4th is the best, team can get this year, and they will get it probably. Job done.


#5649 Murdoch

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 19:47

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LOL Tell this to Force India, Renault, Sauber. Truth is that 4th is the best, team can get this year, and they will get it probably. Job done.


Saubers aging driver, who has been dominated by his younger team mate.................has just been dropped.



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Posted 20 September 2010 - 19:53

Saubers aging driver, who has been dominated by his younger team mate.................has just been dropped.

Bad luck, they didn't reach their target. MGP team reach their possible target(4th place). With such car it is good achievement. Following your logic, why Liuzzi and Petrov was not dropped?

Edited by ivand911, 20 September 2010 - 19:56.