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#5701 dav115

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 17:53

Schumachers' failure to match Rosberg's pace is all about tyres and him lacking the ability to drive around certain characteristics, while Rosberg can.

Schumacher is from the era of almost unlimited R&D spending, when tyre suppliers could spend to out-develop each other.
During the Schumacher era, the rules allowed tyre manufacturers to research and test huge numbers of constructions, shapes and compounds to suit a specific car and driver. And we all know the extremely close relationship between Ferrari and Bridgestone, which allowed them to design tyres to suit Ferrari and Schumacher, throughout the year.

Now fast-forward to 2010, to the Resource Restricted era, where ALL drivers have to make do with the one 4-compound spec tyre.
There's no way for the tyre supplier to design their tyre towards a car AND at the same time, there are very limited possibilities for the car designers to make in-season changes to better suit the tyres. You're basically stuck with what you have.

The above puts Schumacher's past dominance into a new perspective.
It shows that with the team around him, at the time they had the ability to design (and re-design if needed) a car-tyre package to suit his needs.
However, if you give him a car-tyre package that's somewhat outside of what he's comfortable with, he will have difficulties to drive around it.

My conclusion is that Rosberg HAS the ability to drive around the current negative characteristics of the W01 to an extent, while Schumacher does not.

Schumacher was good, but not as good as we were all made to believe during the era when teams and tyre suppliers could engineer their way out of a handling problem with almost no technical rules restrictions. Most of the credit for his dominating speed should go to the high-dollar and clever engineering during the Ferrari-Bridgestone alliance.

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Therefore, Schumacher can only hope and pray that the Pirellis currently being designed will suit his style.
He will find out at the first test after Abu Dhabi and I think his final decision to retire will depend on that test.
No wonder Ross Brawn is sending subliminal messages to Pirelli to design a tyre package with strong fronts, which apparently better allows Schumacher to do his thing...

He seemed pretty handy during 1991-1998 on Pirellis/Goodyears.

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#5702 Timstr11

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 18:06

So you don't think being out of the game for 3 years has anything to with it?

Nope. That's what everyone first thought, but after so many races, he should have been on the pace by now. Even he, nor the team are using that excuse any longer.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 18:07

He seemed pretty handy during 1991-1998 on Pirellis/Goodyears.

There was in-season tyre development. Now there isn't.

Edited by Timstr11, 21 September 2010 - 18:10.


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Posted 21 September 2010 - 18:12

I think one thing that is different from ms´s old days is that nowdays people in the middlepack and even in last places don´t give up and just let him past.
Sometimes it was just ridicilious how easily he was let past. Now they fight.

it was the same for all the top teams slower cars didnt see the point in trying to be defensive when it was inevitable they would get past anyway and they would only lost time trying

Schumacher was good, but not as good as we were all made to believe during the era when teams and tyre suppliers could engineer their way out of a handling problem with almost no technical rules restrictions. Most of the credit for his dominating speed should go to the high-dollar and clever engineering during the Ferrari-Bridgestone alliance.

his speed didnt suddenly apear with bridgestone and ferrari though

It was always said that Schumacher could drive round problems with his car, unlike his team mates, this was one of the reasons why he was so special (which it might of been back in the day).

So, whats happened to that ability?

cars are easier to drive than ever and acording to some fairly recent drivers the difference between a bad setup and a perfect one these days is as little as 0.5seconds

its probably why the field seems so close together now

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 18:31

his speed didnt suddenly apear with bridgestone and ferrari though

What I'm saying is that Schumacher is the type who needs the car to come to him, not the other way around.
During the late nineties and early 2000s, teams and tyre suppliers could engineer a car towards a driver. Now those possibilities are very, very limited due to rules restrictions.

Compared to Rosberg, Schumacher simply has difficulties to adapt. Not something you expect from a driver who many believed had/has mythical abilities. Obviously he doesn't. Schumacher was largely flattered by the almost limitless and top engineering resources available in the teams he raced for in those days.
And if you also take into account that teams are now much closer in terms of performance due to the technical restrictions, Schumacher is exposed as a less adaptable driver.


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Posted 21 September 2010 - 18:36

You probably would go for that twist of the words, but you know full well that that is not the explanation.


I figured if you twist my words and deduct conclusions that fit your opinion, you wouldnt mind if i did the same ;)

Id like to think im fairly balanced towards shumis performance. He was slow in a few races but also reasonable in others, like Spa, wich was only 2 races ago. He doesnt fit the hes past it conclusion with me. Far from it actually.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 18:38

it was the same for all the top teams slower cars didnt see the point in trying to be defensive when it was inevitable they would get past anyway and they would only lost time trying

his speed didnt suddenly apear with bridgestone and ferrari though

cars are easier to drive than ever and acording to some fairly recent drivers the difference between a bad setup and a perfect one these days is as little as 0.5seconds

its probably why the field seems so close together now


So Schumacher is consistantly going the wrong way with the setup? Schumacher, the 7 times world champion, is consistantly chosing the wrong setup? How is this, surely he has sooo much experience and knowledge to fall back on?

Nico Rosberg appears to be making more informed decisions than his more experienced team mate.

Either that, or he's just plain quicker.....

(I'm sorry guys but joking with Schumacher fans at the moment is similar bursting bubble wrap, its so easy and moorish)

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 19:14

I figured if you twist my words and deduct conclusions that fit your opinion, you wouldnt mind if i did the same ;)

Id like to think im fairly balanced towards shumis performance. He was slow in a few races but also reasonable in others, like Spa, wich was only 2 races ago. He doesnt fit the hes past it conclusion with me. Far from it actually.




Spa and Monaco are driver's tracks, Spain is a challenge as well, and Spain was where he showed his first signs of resurrection.

This car this year just leaves him with too few set up options, with no in season/development and no testing, along with missing 3 years of evolution of cars, the fact he did well at Monaco/Spain/Turkey/Spa was encourging, and albert park's broken wing along with sepang wheel nut dnf didn't help things out, the damaged to the chassic hampered his china performance where he was critically mashed until he showed he was on it at Spain again. He lost points at Monaco for what was a bad punishment many knew he didn't deserve. I think his points tally should of been easily 20-30 points up without the extra badluck, usually with Schumacher, when things go wrong, other things go wrong that isn't his fault, so it makes his year look more bad then it ideally should be.

But there is a saying, better to have sat on the throne 7 times and tried to sit on it a 8th time then to never sat on it or went for it at all. At the end of the day, life is life, Schumacher's legacy is one of trying and not giving up, at least he tried a comeback, despite once saying in 2007 after his retirement "Once your out, your out for good." But if you look at Rubens racing in 2009 and picking up points, Jenson Button with a title who was pretty much written off before 2009, and Mark Webber also written off, going for a title this year, then Michael has good reason to stick it out, especially if he thinks he's capable of more.

Edited by SeanValen, 21 September 2010 - 19:27.


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Posted 21 September 2010 - 21:02

So Schumacher is consistantly going the wrong way with the setup? Schumacher, the 7 times world champion, is consistantly chosing the wrong setup? How is this, surely he has sooo much experience and knowledge to fall back on?

Nico Rosberg appears to be making more informed decisions than his more experienced team mate.

Either that, or he's just plain quicker.....

(I'm sorry guys but joking with Schumacher fans at the moment is similar bursting bubble wrap, its so easy and moorish)

he does ?

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 22:22

He seemed pretty handy during 1991-1998 on Pirellis/Goodyears.



We'll just ignore the facts :D

Too many arm chair experts and day-dreaming Team Principles and Technical Director wannabes on here.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 21 September 2010 - 22:27.


#5711 JackTorrance

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 23:07

But there is a saying, better to have sat on the throne 7 times and tried to sit on it a 8th time then to never sat on it or went for it at all. At the end of the day, life is life, Schumacher's legacy is one of trying and not giving up, at least he tried a comeback, despite once saying in 2007 after his retirement "Once your out, your out for good." But if you look at Rubens racing in 2009 and picking up points, Jenson Button with a title who was pretty much written off before 2009, and Mark Webber also written off, going for a title this year, then Michael has good reason to stick it out, especially if he thinks he's capable of more.


Youre so right.

It also made me think back to the stories starting in 98 that Schumacher was past it, and that he would retire. Nigel Roebuck maintainted for a long time that Schumacher could never be regarded as a great because he makes too many mistakes and would never win another championship. He stopped saying those things after Shumi won his 3rd straight title with Ferrari end of 2003 though. In fact, Roebuck has changed his opinion quite drastically and now considers Schumacher indeed to be one of the greats of F1.

Gives hope for his other criticasters :)


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 01:52

I have another theory, too. Just how I perceive things.

I think when Michael got used to cars being engineered to suit his style year in year out, he forgot how to adapt to problematic cars not made to his liking.

Rosberg, on the other hand, has never driven a really good/top car. He has always driven midfield or best of the rest cars and, accordingly, is used to driving around the problem. At the moment, therefore, Rosberg is better able at driving the car than Schumi.

At any rate, things are a little bit exaggerated in terms of point comparison in view of the questionable race strategy calls and penalties applied to Schumi. The two would have been closer and the difference may not necessarily be worth the overrated fuss around here.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:06

He seemed pretty handy during 1991-1998 on Pirellis/Goodyears.


He seemed pretty handy on BS's in the past as well, but now we are told they are the problem. To think that performance on Pirellis nearly 20 years ago is an indicator of how things will go now is to say the least far fetched.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:21

It was always said that Schumacher could drive round problems with his car, unlike his team mates, this was one of the reasons why he was so special (which it might of been back in the day).

So, whats happened to that ability?

I doubt he ever had to. Back then we had qualifying tyres, different tyre compounds for each race and unlimited testing between races. Schumacher carried out most of the testing. So it was his team mates struggling to find the setup, not MS himself.

People seem to hope Pirellis match Schumacher's preferences better. Moving to a different manufacturer will not however change the testing limitations, having the same two compounds for everyone and the need for ability to tune the car to both quali and race with only a handful of laps. I doubt the relative gap to Rosberg will change, as the problems MS has faced this year have affected Nico equally. Having a car better suited to the tyres next year would help Nico at least as much as it'll help MS.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:24

you are (on purpose?) missing things
1) bridgestones are narrower on the front than the rears
2) the car has got to take 1 into account when being designed...and it hasn't been successful at it....they tried to modify this as much as possible under the current configuration by moving the suspension a bit
3) this years tyres are a bit different ross & other people said it..after some load you do it for nothing, no more grip comes from them
4) testing is banned, even development like changing chassis is banned. so if the basis is bad you're chances to change it are slimmer


it's michael's fault he doesn't extract more out of the package but it's not like he's saying it's somebody else's fault. he just says what he doesn't like about the car and that's it.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:24

you are (on purpose?) missing things
1) bridgestones are narrower on the front than the rears
2) the car has got to take 1 into account when being designed...and it hasn't been successful at it....they tried to modify this as much as possible under the current configuration by moving the suspension a bit
3) this years tyres are a bit different ross & other people said it..after some load you do it for nothing, no more grip comes from them
4) testing is banned, even development like changing chassis is banned. so if the basis is bad you're chances to change it are slimmer


it's michael's fault he doesn't extract more out of the package but it's not like he's saying it's somebody else's fault. he just says what he doesn't like about the car and that's it.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:27

In fact, Roebuck has changed his opinion quite drastically and now considers Schumacher indeed to be one of the greats of F1.


Has he? I must start reading again - last time I read Roebuck he considered Michael a blot on the landscape!




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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:46

2010 may be very well the first season from Schumacher where he is showing his TREU potential, without the clouded helping hands he always had help from in his carreer before.

Maybe he ALWAYS was an manufactured product of his successes?

His title and title's after that, where more the result of Bernie Ecclestone's outspoken wish in 1993 to have a German Worldchampion in F1, than a result of Schumacher's input alone? I believe so.

Mercedes has a problem now. They can't dump him, (they never want to admit it was an error to take him back) and Schumacher doesn't want to stop (his mentality and the money) ... so Mercedes has a not-wanting-to-stop oldie, ruining the imago of they're cool silver cars.

newly watching F1 fans all over the world will never understand the fuzz about Schumacher's comeback an will think the "older" generation of f1 fans are nuts thinking this driver is so good. He has shown nothing in 2010 to justify his presence in F1 today. He is showing how not-to-do it in a Mercedes F1 racecar, the perfect German combination on paper, is not much to brag about eh Mickey?

But you will not hear me complaining, I have the season of a lifetime! :rotfl: I really hope they can't get rid of each other (Merc and Schu) for the comming 2 seasons, because I like it to much! :smoking:

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:10

But you will not hear me complaining, I have the season of a lifetime! :rotfl: I really hope they can't get rid of each other (Merc and Schu) for the comming 2 seasons, because I like it to much! :smoking:

:up: I know for a long time that you are fan. We share the same hopes. Anything else doesn't matter. :wave: Some people just can't see the big picture.

Edited by ivand911, 22 September 2010 - 09:16.


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#5720 Lifew12

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:15

They can't dump him,


They can, with ease. All they have to do is not take up their option for the next two seasons.

and Schumacher doesn't want to stop


I think you credit the man with much less intelligence than he has. If Michael Schumacher thinks that things are not going to get much better - I'm not saying he does, but if he does - then I've little dount his motivation for trundling around in the midfield will not be up to much. He's a winher, he wants to win, he doesn't want to bag a load of sixth, seventh, eighth places. He has better things to do in life. If he comes to the conclusion that this is how it's going to be from now on - and let's face it, being honest, no matter how much better the car gets next year that's going to benefit Rosberg too - he'll have no hesitation in quitting.


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:19

They can, with ease. All they have to do is not take up their option for the next two seasons.



I think you credit the man with much less intelligence than he has. If Michael Schumacher thinks that things are not going to get much better - I'm not saying he does, but if he does - then I've little dount his motivation for trundling around in the midfield will not be up to much. He's a winher, he wants to win, he doesn't want to bag a load of sixth, seventh, eighth places. He has better things to do in life. If he comes to the conclusion that this is how it's going to be from now on - and let's face it, being honest, no matter how much better the car gets next year that's going to benefit Rosberg too - he'll have no hesitation in quitting.

If you write book about Michael, please don't. You know nothing about him.


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:20

How long until he falls off his motorbike, injures his neck and walks away from F1?

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:28

How long until he falls off his motorbike, injures his neck and walks away from F1?

I think you confuse things. It is working this way, he falls off his motorbike, injures his neck and he get in F1. :clap: Who else can do that?


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:41

If you write book about Michael, please don't. You know nothing about him.


I reckon I know as much as you, to be honest - possibly more, given I've interviewed the man on a number of occasions (and found him charming, intelligent and thoughtful).

I think, Ivan, you missed the point of my comment; what I'm saying is that Michael Schumacher is not going to be happy for long in a situation where he is not winning. He didn't come back to finish sixth or seventh and so on, nor did he come back to be beaten continually by his team mate; he came back to win. That's the measure of the man, and that's why he will quit if he feels that the glory days are over. He's not a fool. Winners, and Michael is one, get out when the winning stops.


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 10:14

How long until he falls off his motorbike, injures his neck and walks away from F1?

That would certainly be a simple and reputationally neutral was of exiting if that's what he wants to do. I don't know what he wants to do and a small part of me wants to see him come back in 2011 fighting, but that the same time I don't want to see him struggle around like he has this year.

It's a gamble isn't it?

#5726 ivand911

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 10:48

That would certainly be a simple and reputationally neutral was of exiting if that's what he wants to do. I don't know what he wants to do and a small part of me wants to see him come back in 2011 fighting, but that the same time I don't want to see him struggle around like he has this year.

It's a gamble isn't it?

When he struggle this year? When he have normal race ,he was OK. Like in Bahrain when he beat last WDC and Webber. In Spain he beat last WDC again, Massa, Kubica, Nico. There he finished 9 places infront of Nico , their biggest difference this year. I can say he struggle in China, Hungary and Italy. In other tracks where he have problem(crash, bad strategy) he just didn't have car that can get him back closer to the front.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:24

I think you credit the man with much less intelligence than he has. If Michael Schumacher thinks that things are not going to get much better - I'm not saying he does, but if he does - then I've little dount his motivation for trundling around in the midfield will not be up to much. He's a winher, he wants to win, he doesn't want to bag a load of sixth, seventh, eighth places. He has better things to do in life. If he comes to the conclusion that this is how it's going to be from now on - and let's face it, being honest, no matter how much better the car gets next year that's going to benefit Rosberg too - he'll have no hesitation in quitting.

Would you agree in this case that if he choses to continue it's because he feels he still has what it takes?


I mean if at the end of the year he raises his hand and says sorry guys, it's too much for me etc it would be ok...but if he still says he wants to race then maybe he knows he can still do it and he knows why he isn't doing it at the moment.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:37

Would you agree in this case that if he choses to continue it's because he feels he still has what it takes?


I mean if at the end of the year he raises his hand and says sorry guys, it's too much for me etc it would be ok...but if he still says he wants to race then maybe he knows he can still do it and he knows why he isn't doing it at the moment.

I hope he will not do this:"he raises his hand and says sorry guys, it's too much for me". Because I plan to visit two GP next year. Better he stay where he is. :)


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 12:06

Would you agree in this case that if he choses to continue it's because he feels he still has what it takes?


I agree entirely. I can't see that he would continue otherwise.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:21

When he struggle this year?

Don't be silly.

I'm not saying he does have a problem with his neck, I'm saying it would be easy to use it as an excuse if he wanted to drop out after only one year.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:32

I always admired Schumacher but was never really a fan and did get tired of him winning. I hoped he would have more success this year. I can't imagine any 7 time WDC being a quitter. I think he wants one more year. I think in his mind it is the car and he has told them what is wrong with it and the 2011 car will be much better.

I wonder if this decision will be made during winter testing. If Michael cannot match Rosberg in some head to head testing and the data confirms this to Michael then maybe he will pull out.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:33

Schumi out testing superbikes again this week, what should we read into that?

I'm surprised he's allowed.

#5734 ivand911

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:46

It is not the first time(bike thing), he also skydive a lot.
Watkins74, what if nobody can match Nico in the same car? He is engineer as I heard, this help too I guess. His team mates need to retire all the time? Nico is better than him in this car/tyre combo. This doesn't mean, MS have no place in F1. This is normal thing 25 year old is faster than 41 year old one(if this is the case) , but even at 41 MS is better than a lot of F1 drivers. If MS was faster than Nico, then Nico need to retire for sure. But, for all of you I hope MS will match Nico next year.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:54

even at 41 MS is better than a lot of F1 drivers.


I'm not so sure that he is, Ivan. At the beginning of the season, given his past record and reputation, I would have agreed with you no problem. Now, I reckon he's as good as a lot of F1 drivers, and better than a few.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 14:07

I always admired Schumacher but was never really a fan and did get tired of him winning. I hoped he would have more success this year. I can't imagine any 7 time WDC being a quitter. I think he wants one more year. I think in his mind it is the car and he has told them what is wrong with it and the 2011 car will be much better.

I wonder if this decision will be made during winter testing. If Michael cannot match Rosberg in some head to head testing and the data confirms this to Michael then maybe he will pull out.


This is exactly my position too. I didn't like him, but he is one of the best. I expected this year to be mega partly because he was coming back and I wanted to see him wheel to wheel with Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel et al. I also expected him to dust off Rosberg by the middle of the season.

It's difficult to come back to F1 with so many things changing. I think he will make the decision in the first few tests at the end of the year.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 15:21

I'm not so sure that he is, Ivan. At the beginning of the season, given his past record and reputation, I would have agreed with you no problem. Now, I reckon he's as good as a lot of F1 drivers, and better than a few.


I, personally, think his pure speed has diminished. He's lost at least 1 seconds (in this car anyway) compared to the likes of Rosberg in terms of his pure (past) ultimate pace. However, I still think he is better in terms of bringing together the team and engineers and wanting what HE wants.

I also personally believe that is the situation was reverse (ie Schumacher consistently beating Rosberg) we would see a shell shocked Rosberg who wouldn't be coping that well. I think Schumacher has coped very well this year in terms of maturity and mental strength and that, no doubt, will serve him better for next year.

Next year is an acid test. Nay, THE acid test.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 15:24

newly watching F1 fans all over the world will never understand the fuzz about Schumacher's comeback an will think the "older" generation of f1 fans are nuts thinking this driver is so good. He has shown nothing in 2010 to justify his presence in F1 today. :smoking:


That´s a valid point - the longer Michael drives 2010 spec, the more the young fans, new to the sport, will see him for what he is now, and they will wonder how weak the opposition must have been in the years 1994 - 2004.

It is quite forthcoming of Michael to deconstruct his own legend....


#5739 aditya-now

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 15:25

Schumi out testing superbikes again this week, what should we read into that?



:eek: :eek: :eek:




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Posted 22 September 2010 - 15:34

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 15:46

Michael on the bike. What it is all about?
http://translate.goo.....F-/index.html
http://www.express.d...22/-/index.html
http://www.f1news.ru...4455_1200px.jpg


Next to his family he likes football, and motorbikes. This is old story. Why he risked injury during a season in progress is not so clear.

#5742 Rob

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 15:52

He didn't come back to finish sixth or seventh and so on, nor did he come back to be beaten continually by his team mate; he came back to win. That's the measure of the man, and that's why he will quit if he feels that the glory days are over. He's not a fool. Winners, and Michael is one, get out when the winning stops.


I agree with you. I also can't imagine that his wife is too happy that he's risking his health in his 40s for the sake of the odd point here and there. If he was winning it would be different.

#5743 Number62

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 16:03

Michael on the bike. What it is all about:
http://translate.goo.....F-/index.html
http://www.express.d...22/-/index.html
http://www.f1news.ru...4455_1200px.jpg


Not sure the Monster Energy peeps will be very pleased about him testing a Red Bull KTM but i'm sure he didn't expect to get snapped there.

#5744 F1Johnny

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 18:44

Next to his family he likes football, and motorbikes. This is old story. Why he risked injury during a season in progress is not so clear.


The fix is in. A "fall" aggravates his neck injury and he is forced to pull out at the end of the season.

#5745 Sakae

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 19:49

The fix is in. A "fall" aggravates his neck injury and he is forced to pull out at the end of the season.

This is simply not on. He says three years, and that's what it is, health permitting (as with other drivers; not more, not less).

#5746 as65p

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 20:06

The fix is in. A "fall" aggravates his neck injury and he is forced to pull out at the end of the season.


Too transparent, even by Schumachers standards. Then again, after Monaco 2006, you never know...  ;)

#5747 aditya-now

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 21:45

This is simply not on. He says three years, and that's what it is, health permitting (as with other drivers; not more, not less).


This is the point. If he falls, no matter what really happens, he could well argue that the risks to his health do not further permit him to drive in F1.
So as you say - health permitting.

How relative health can be with saw in midseason 2009 - first the comeback with Ferrari was on, then it was off. You can speculate whether it was that only then he felt the seriousness of his neck injury or only at the tests he felt the Ferrari was not competitive in his hands (it was competitive in Kimi´s hands, by the way).


#5748 Watkins74

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 21:53

This is the point. If he falls, no matter what really happens, he could well argue that the risks to his health do not further permit him to drive in F1.
So as you say - health permitting.

How relative health can be with saw in midseason 2009 - first the comeback with Ferrari was on, then it was off. You can speculate whether it was that only then he felt the seriousness of his neck injury or only at the tests he felt the Ferrari was not competitive in his hands (it was competitive in Kimi´s hands, by the way).

Did he ever drive the 2009 Ferrari? I thought he drove older models at the Ferrari club.

#5749 aditya-now

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 21:56

Did he ever drive the 2009 Ferrari? I thought he drove older models at the Ferrari club.


You may be right, I do not fully recall all the facts. Legally he should not have been able to drive the F1 2009. Then again, there are always loopholes.

Anyway, after seeing Badoer and Fisichella driving that car, Michael´s decision in 2009 (sorry, the neck vertibra) was spot on. He saved himself some serious humiliation then and there. It still amazes me how well Kimi did in that car in Spa.

#5750 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 22:02

I do not fully recall all the facts.

that doesn't stop you from posting things around that are not true, does it?