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#5751 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 22:02

I do not fully recall all the facts.

that doesn't stop you from posting things around that are not true, does it?


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#5752 aditya-now

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 22:33

that doesn't stop you from posting things around that are not true, does it?


and I am not alone in this - how much truthful data is in your posts? How much contempt?
I´d like to read some more facts in your posts as well - not just attacks. I for one am sincere and confess to it if I am not fully sure of the facts.

What is true, and that was the point of my post, is that Schumacher saved himself some humiliation in 2009 by not driving the Ferrari in the races. Would he have been as good as Bad-doer? As good as Fisichella? As good as Raikkonen?

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 22:56

Did he ever drive the 2009 Ferrari? I thought he drove older models at the Ferrari club.


He never drove the F2009 unless it was illegally.
The other teams objected that their reserve drivers didn´t have that
luxury, then why would they allow a 7 X WDC that.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 23:27

and I am not alone in this - how much truthful data is in your posts? How much contempt?
I´d like to read some more facts in your posts as well - not just attacks. I for one am sincere and confess to it if I am not fully sure of the facts.

What is true, and that was the point of my post, is that Schumacher saved himself some humiliation in 2009 by not driving the Ferrari in the races. Would he have been as good as Bad-doer? As good as Fisichella? As good as Raikkonen?


No you got called on a post in which you made a slimey insulting accusation that Schumacher is a liar (which was based on you misremembering how things happened at the time) to back up your suggestion that he is going to lie now. You then didnt have what it takes to apologise, instead you stuck with 'well it MIGHT be true anyway'.

Come on..

#5755 aditya-now

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 00:25

No you got called on a post in which you made a slimey insulting accusation that Schumacher is a liar (which was based on you misremembering how things happened at the time) to back up your suggestion that he is going to lie now. You then didnt have what it takes to apologise, instead you stuck with 'well it MIGHT be true anyway'.

Come on..


Well, lets see how it pans out. That Schumacher is a liar (and a bad one at that) has been proved more than once (need we go through all this again?) - that I misremember facts has also happened more than once. There is no need to apologize, as it is not you who deserves the apology, but Michael, if anyone.

So let me phrase the apology in Michael´s way then:

“Yesterday right after posting on the Atlas BB I was still in the heat of the action, but after I read the post again, I must say that baddog was right with his assessment: the post against Michael was too harsh. I wanted to make myself clear that Michael has lied before. I clearly showed him that I didn’t want him to lie again. I wasn’t trying to insult him with my post. If he had this feeling, then sorry, that was not my intention. ”

:lol:

#5756 DarthRonzo

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 05:33

AMuS - Schumy does Motorrad again...

Can anyone inform me/us if Mercedes F1 allowed him to ride a bike again, since I don't speak german ?

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 06:39

They can, with ease. All they have to do is not take up their option for the next two seasons.



I think you credit the man with much less intelligence than he has. If Michael Schumacher thinks that things are not going to get much better - I'm not saying he does, but if he does - then I've little dount his motivation for trundling around in the midfield will not be up to much. He's a winher, he wants to win, he doesn't want to bag a load of sixth, seventh, eighth places. He has better things to do in life. If he comes to the conclusion that this is how it's going to be from now on - and let's face it, being honest, no matter how much better the car gets next year that's going to benefit Rosberg too - he'll have no hesitation in quitting.

:up:
I agree with you completely on this matter. I have not seen in all the sports that I watch that a person who was once a champion would be pleased with the middle rang results, when he returned from the retirement. Sooner or later he would lose the motivation.

#5758 ivand911

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 06:42

AMuS - Schumy does Motorrad again...

Can anyone inform me/us if Mercedes F1 allowed him to ride a bike again, since I don't speak german ?

I don't know if he ask them. But, they say that they accept his passion for bikes.
"Mercedes wants motorcycle passion of Michael Schumacher continues to tolerate. "Michael has fun on a bike and knows exactly what he does, and we know it," said a spokesman on Wednesday, after the Formula 1 driver had seen five days before the Singapore Grand Prix riding a bike."

Edited by ivand911, 23 September 2010 - 06:45.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 07:11

Why wouldn't they allow him to ride bikes at this point? It's not like they have much to lose.

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#5760 ivand911

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 07:22

Why wouldn't they allow him to ride bikes at this point? It's not like they have much to lose.

From riding bike to racing bike there is a difference. And riding bike on secure track is much safer than crossing the street or riding bike on the road. Skydiving is also much dangerous. Yes, I am sure MGP don't give Nico to do this things because they want to save him. LOL


#5761 Frans

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:22

haha, as soon as he falls from the bike, Mercedes can put a fast driver in that car for a change! :lol:

Maybe they are hoping for it, and paying Red Bull to fix that motor in a certain way so he get's also some wings! :)

how obvious ...... even for Schumi's standards

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:25

I agree with you. I also can't imagine that his wife is too happy that he's risking his health in his 40s for the sake of the odd point here and there. If he was winning it would be different.


For a wife? I very much doubt that winning or not makes a difference to her.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:38

For a wife? I very much doubt that winning or not makes a difference to her.


(someone´s not familiar with women....? :rotfl: )


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:41

haha, as soon as he falls from the bike, Mercedes can put a fast driver in that car for a change! :lol:

Maybe they are hoping for it, and paying Red Bull to fix that motor in a certain way so he get's also some wings! :)

how obvious ...... even for Schumi's standards

He don't need that? He can say he fell in the bathroom. But will not happen, and you don't want it. What you will do next year without him? :)


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:53

For a wife? I very much doubt that winning or not makes a difference to her.


Oh I don't know about that. I very much got the impression that was why she dumped Frentzen for Schumacher.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:02

Oh I don't know about that. I very much got the impression that was why she dumped Frentzen for Schumacher.


Hm, we're moving into highly speculative grounds, even deeper than usual around here.  ;) IIRC she changed "teams" way before MS became successfull? Though I could be wrong on this.

#5767 Sammyosammy

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:09

Hm, we're moving into highly speculative grounds, even deeper than usual around here. ;) IIRC she changed "teams" way before MS became successfull? Though I could be wrong on this.


maybe she´s more in this sport than the audience :drunk:

propably this subject should be dropped now :)


#5768 Clatter

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:11

Hm, we're moving into highly speculative grounds, even deeper than usual around here. ;) IIRC she changed "teams" way before MS became successfull? Though I could be wrong on this.


Yeah, totally speculative. I think she actually moved teams around 91 so before his F1 success. From reports at the time I just formed the impression she was a bit of a paddock groupie.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:15

Yeah, totally speculative. I think she actually moved teams around 91 so before his F1 success. From reports at the time I just formed the impression she was a bit of a paddock groupie.


But aren't those supposed to be gorgeous?

Okay, I'm out at this point... :D

#5770 Clatter

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:16

But aren't those supposed to be gorgeous?

Okay, I'm out at this point... :D

:rotfl: :rotfl: Or easy. ;)


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:44

I don't know if he ask them. But, they say that they accept his passion for bikes.
"Mercedes wants motorcycle passion of Michael Schumacher continues to tolerate. "Michael has fun on a bike and knows exactly what he does, and we know it," said a spokesman on Wednesday, after the Formula 1 driver had seen five days before the Singapore Grand Prix riding a bike."

Thanks for the translation. :up:

#5772 ivand911

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:46

Michael in the paddock : Today
http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=390453
http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=390452
http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=390451

Edited by ivand911, 23 September 2010 - 12:01.


#5773 ivand911

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 12:38

http://photofile.com.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.com.../#mainImageLink
http://photofile.com.../#mainImageLink
Last banner for Singapore GP from our Russian friends(Serial Banner Maniacs). Look for it in Singapore. Their last banners from Spa and Monza were very popular on TV.

#5774 as65p

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 12:40

http://photofile.com.../#mainImageLink


Perfect stalker slogan! :up:

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 14:51

For a wife? I very much doubt that winning or not makes a difference to her.


I think what Rob means is that his wife figures that if he is taking such risks the reward should be significant. He has done it all already, so to go back in at 41 only to be running around in the mid field and being beaten by your teammate is not sufficient reward for the risk.

#5776 Spa95

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 15:42

More talk that Schumacher may be off:

http://joesaward.wor...ael-schumacher/


http://www.motorspor...1_10092330.html

Asked by an asian journalist if he will be in F1 next year, Schumacher replied: "Certainly, yes! You won't get rid of me that easily!"

Doesn't sound like someone who ponders over his F1 future.

*Edit: and now on Autosport: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/86891

Edited by Spa95, 23 September 2010 - 16:20.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 15:57

http://www.motorspor...1_10092330.html

Asked by an asian journalist if he will be in F1 next year, Schumacher replied: "Certainly, yes! You won't get rid of me that easily!"

Doesn't sound like someone who ponders about his F1 future.

*Edit: and now on Autosport: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/86891

It is getting better and better. :clap:
Some pics:
http://i10.fastpic.r...0ecff5f0dd5.jpg
http://i10.fastpic.r...a42fa4ef283.jpg
http://i10.fastpic.r...f261ed44848.jpg
http://cache.daylife...7jjbvk/x800.jpg
http://www.sutton-im...s/d10sin460.jpg
Michael have new race engineer? Schovlin was not at Monza too?

Edited by ivand911, 23 September 2010 - 16:51.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 16:46

Is it my imagination only, or his body position on the scooter is partially adopting racing bike angle?

Edited by Sakae, 23 September 2010 - 16:46.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 16:48

2010 may be very well the first season from Schumacher where he is showing his TREU potential, without the clouded helping hands he always had help from in his carreer before.

Maybe he ALWAYS was an manufactured product of his successes?

His title and title's after that, where more the result of Bernie Ecclestone's outspoken wish in 1993 to have a German Worldchampion in F1, than a result of Schumacher's input alone? I believe so.

Mercedes has a problem now. They can't dump him, (they never want to admit it was an error to take him back) and Schumacher doesn't want to stop (his mentality and the money) ... so Mercedes has a not-wanting-to-stop oldie, ruining the imago of they're cool silver cars.

newly watching F1 fans all over the world will never understand the fuzz about Schumacher's comeback an will think the "older" generation of f1 fans are nuts thinking this driver is so good. He has shown nothing in 2010 to justify his presence in F1 today. He is showing how not-to-do it in a Mercedes F1 racecar, the perfect German combination on paper, is not much to brag about eh Mickey?

But you will not hear me complaining, I have the season of a lifetime! :rotfl: I really hope they can't get rid of each other (Merc and Schu) for the comming 2 seasons, because I like it to much! :smoking:

Frans,when you will stop to post tons of the absolutely wrong things about Michael and his racing career ? :lol:
By the way,Yes it was Bernie who drove B194 and won first title for Schumi :wave:

Edited by vovelo, 23 September 2010 - 16:50.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 16:49

Is Schumacher a Catholic or a Protestant?

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 16:53

Is it my imagination only, or his body position on the scooter is partially adopting racing bike angle?

I think it is just camera angle.
I think he is Catholic. Not many Protestants I guess in Germany?


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:00

I think it is just camera angle.
I think he is Catholic. Not many Protestants I guess in Germany?

:lol:

It's quite the opposite.

#5783 Spa95

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:04

I think he is Catholic. Not many Protestants I guess in Germany?

In the country of Martin Luther? :lol:

And I'm pretty sure he is catholic....

#5784 ivand911

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:07

Maybe, I made mistake. :rolleyes:
But, according to this map he can still be Catholic?
http://en.wikipedia....ismInEurope.png

Edited by ivand911, 23 September 2010 - 17:10.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:12

It is getting better and better. :clap:
Some pics:
http://i10.fastpic.r...0ecff5f0dd5.jpg
http://i10.fastpic.r...a42fa4ef283.jpg
http://i10.fastpic.r...f261ed44848.jpg
http://cache.daylife...7jjbvk/x800.jpg
http://www.sutton-im...s/d10sin460.jpg
Michael have new race engineer? Schovlin was not at Monza too?



The man on the scooter with MSC is his physio Kai. He is in charge of Michael this season since the GP2 test in the beginning of the year.

And of course race engineer Shovlin is at both Monza and Singapore.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:31

The man on the scooter with MSC is his physio Kai. He is in charge of Michael this season since the GP2 test in the beginning of the year.

And of course race engineer Shovlin is at both Monza and Singapore.

I just don't remember seeing him there and here too. Maybe we will see him on TV.

Edited by ivand911, 23 September 2010 - 17:36.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:47

I just don't remember seeing him there and here too. Maybe we will see him on TV.


http://farm5.static....ce4c3c828_z.jpg


The pic was taken today in Singapore.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:50

The pic was taken today in Singapore.

Thanks, I see all Sutton, xpb.cc and wri2.net and he was not there.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 17:52

Gallery:

http://www.motorspor...tok-c35231.html

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 20:03

Remembering Bahrain GP 2005 qualifying press conference I think he might be Catholic, considering how he talked about the Pope John Paul II who had passed away in the previous evening. But of course that might be also because he had met him during his Ferrari years.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 20:14

Remembering Bahrain GP 2005 qualifying press conference I think he might be Catholic


Ralf is, so I think Michael is catholic as well, but it isn't a big deal in germany anyway. most people don't matter about the confession

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 00:49

http://www.jamesalle...and-schumacher/


Quite interesting - Schumacher is obviously not going to get special insights into the Pirelli tyres from Heidfeld - something I had feared before, as Michael was usually able to extract information that others would not obtain.

This is good in the interest of a plain playing field in 2011, with only Sauber getting a head-start on the tyres. Amongst all the teams I´d say "you deserve this insider knowledge, Peter!" It was a quite shrewd move of Peter Sauber to offer Heidfeld a contract for the remaining five races in 2010....

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 08:56

http://www.jamesalle...and-schumacher/


Quite interesting - Schumacher is obviously not going to get special insights into the Pirelli tyres from Heidfeld - something I had feared before, as Michael was usually able to extract information that others would not obtain.

This is good in the interest of a plain playing field in 2011, with only Sauber getting a head-start on the tyres. Amongst all the teams I´d say "you deserve this insider knowledge, Peter!" It was a quite shrewd move of Peter Sauber to offer Heidfeld a contract for the remaining five races in 2010....


I wonder how much Nick Heidfeld can really tell the Sauber engineers? Surely the Pirelli tyres he tested the brief few times will evolve, change and get faster as Pirelli carry out more and more subsequent tests.

I'd wager his knowledge will be quite limited compared to what the likes of Romain Grosjean and Pedro Dela Rosa will know.

#5794 Clatter

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:02

http://www.jamesalle...and-schumacher/


Quite interesting - Schumacher is obviously not going to get special insights into the Pirelli tyres from Heidfeld - something I had feared before, as Michael was usually able to extract information that others would not obtain.

This is good in the interest of a plain playing field in 2011, with only Sauber getting a head-start on the tyres. Amongst all the teams I´d say "you deserve this insider knowledge, Peter!" It was a quite shrewd move of Peter Sauber to offer Heidfeld a contract for the remaining five races in 2010....


I really failed to understand why anyone would think that MS was going to get any special insights anyway, total non-issue. I also don't think NH is going to bring any really useful info to Sauber about the tyres. The tyres he has been using were their first iteration and there will have been many changes to the compounds and construction by the time the final tyres are issued.


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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:06

I really failed to understand why anyone would think that MS was going to get any special insights anyway, total non-issue. I also don't think NH is going to bring any really useful info to Sauber about the tyres. The tyres he has been using were their first iteration and there will have been many changes to the compounds and construction by the time the final tyres are issued.


It´s not a total non-issue, as you know well. Michael was treated exclusively by Bridgestone for years, with tailor-made tyres to suit Michael´s driving style. Not surprisingly this "special treatment" falls exactly into the period of Michael´s biggest successes in the early 2000s.

So James Allen is not the only one who was having an eye on the developements Pirelli-Schumacher. All that seasoned F1 followers want is a plain starting grid with equal chances for all.


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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:16

It´s not a total non-issue, as you know well. Michael was treated exclusively by Bridgestone for years, with tailor-made tyres to suit Michael´s driving style. Not surprisingly this "special treatment" falls exactly into the period of Michael´s biggest successes in the early 2000s.

So James Allen is not the only one who was having an eye on the developements Pirelli-Schumacher. All that seasoned F1 followers want is a plain starting grid with equal chances for all.


What happened between BS and Ferrari in the past is totally irrelevant. We have spec tyres now which are not designed with any particular driver in mind. NH might have been able to influence the design direction, but I see no reason why he would have tried to do that to benefit MS, nor do I see any reason why he would pass any information that would have overly benefited MS.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:39

Quite interesting - Schumacher is obviously not going to get special insights into the Pirelli tyres from Heidfeld - something I had feared before, as Michael was usually able to extract information that others would not obtain.

This is good in the interest of a plain playing field in 2011, with only Sauber getting a head-start on the tyres. Amongst all the teams I´d say "you deserve this insider knowledge, Peter!" It was a quite shrewd move of Peter Sauber to offer Heidfeld a contract for the remaining five races in 2010....


I'm confused here, it's not ok for MS to get "insider information" (in fact you "fear it") but it's ok for Peter Sauber to get "insider information"?

So what you're saying that it's ok for one team/person to have an advantage but not another team/person even though you request a "plain playing field in 2011"?

Seriously I'm confused, could you make your biased contradictions clearer for us English speakers please?



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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:40

So what you're saying that it's ok for one team/person to have an advantage but not another team/person even though you request a "plain playing field in 2011"?

Certainly looks that way...

#5799 aditya-now

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:42

Ah man, would've been nice to see Schumacher top the list just for the sake of it. Almost


I think this is the closest that Michael came to the top in any session this year - congrats! Button doing well, also, Singapore is supposed to be an Alonso track.

So despite the sensation of the flood light night race, Singapore seems to be kind to champions. Can´t wait for Sunday!

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 11:45

heh wouldnt read too much (or anything frankly) into that sessions times.. except maybe that he wasnt wrong when he said he enjoys learning a new circuit.