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#5901 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 16:00

Ah, the looking for excuses has already started.


What excuses? If he destroyed his tires it's his fault.

This is what he had to say about the first stint :

"I suffered with the rear tyres on my first set of options which made me slide rather than drive through corners which was tough, so I would probably say that I only enjoyed the second part of the race."

And i wouldn't really call you a critic. :rolleyes:

Edited by Diablobb81, 26 September 2010 - 16:01.


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#5902 Tarzaan

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 16:01

Eddie Jordan: "I would sack Michael now, he's clearly not up to the job".


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#5903 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 16:54

No excuses from me. I'm looking forward to next year.

However, I don't think his legacy is destroyed, in the same way the Ali and Tyson losing to the likes of Leon Spinks and Kevin McBride did nothing to harm their legacies.


He's clearly not as one with the car or the same person any more. That said, being only 0.5 second consistently off the pace the pace of Rosberg at THIS stage does mean that it's quite remarkable how quickly he has gotten on the pace. He deserves a place in F1 but the vultures are having a field day.

I don't even know how to defend the guy anymore. I'm out of excuses.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:01

And surely the incidents were entirely not Michael´s fault - it seems people love to crash into him left and right.

first incident with Koba - Koba's fault
incident between Nick and Michael - Schumi fault .
Is it Ok for you ?

Edited by vovelo, 26 September 2010 - 17:03.


#5905 vovelo

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:07

No excuses from me. I'm looking forward to next year.

However, I don't think his legacy is destroyed, in the same way the Ali and Tyson losing to the likes of Leon Spinks and Kevin McBride did nothing to harm their legacies.


He's clearly not as one with the car or the same person any more. That said, being only 0.5 second consistently off the pace the pace of Rosberg at THIS stage does mean that it's quite remarkable how quickly he has gotten on the pace. He deserves a place in F1 but the vultures are having a field day.

Good things :up:


#5906 ivand911

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:31

There is justice :rotfl: , Sutil is penalised and Michael get 9th place in WDC back. :clap: For now.
http://www.gpupdate....enberg-protest/

Edited by ivand911, 26 September 2010 - 17:31.


#5907 Tarzaan

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:31

I think he should try a new race engeneer next year. Shovlin is a nice guy, and smart, but it seem they are not in the same wavelength...

Edited by Tarzaan, 26 September 2010 - 17:40.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:33

. Shovlin is a nice gay

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:34

I think he should try a new race engeneer next year. Shovlin is a nice guy, and smart, but it seem they are not in the same wavelength...

:up:

Edited by ivand911, 26 September 2010 - 17:35.


#5910 Tarzaan

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:40

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:



Sorry. My english is far from perfect;)

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:44

Maybe the tyres he start race were used more in Qualy? And they finished quickly? Or when he tried to pass Bari he destroy them. And his tyres was not much fresher than Nico's on last stint?


Maybe it is time to stop defending so much and trying to find an excuse after another and admit just that over the entire race Nico is a more complete driver. MS was very sad today - overdrove and destroyed tires, tangled into others (Koba incident is debatable but he rammed NH) and showed basically nothing of his former racecraft. If he´d want to retain shreds of former glory, he´d retire today.

#5912 ivand911

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:47

Check this about accidents ,also thread about it.
http://www.gpupdate....ous-collisions/
About destroying tyres, Koba say that his tyres were finished too.

Edited by ivand911, 26 September 2010 - 17:51.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:48

I think he should try a new race engeneer next year. Shovlin is a nice guy, and smart, but it seem they are not in the same wavelength...


Even if he was to get Chris Dayer back, I think it would take a while for them to understand the car, its on-track behaviour and for them to get that 'harmonious' relationship back.

I have no doubt that had Schumacher continued and not retired in 2006, he'd have adapted far better and been possible a 8 time champion.

Alas, time waits for no one


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:57

He was losing two seconds in the first stint. He was pushing BArri hard and then his pace dropped immensely. He might have destroyed the tires in trying to overtake Barri.


To make car with some natural handling characteristic to opposite one you have to sacrifice something. I think that is Michael problem. He can't drive that car better than Rosberg because he can't drive smooth understering car... like button do. And consequences are that car eat tyre and don't run in optimal temperature...
Its not first time Schumacher suddenly drop peace on end of stints....

Rosberg cope with that much better.



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Posted 26 September 2010 - 18:14

There are those seemingly claiming M Schumacher has the pace but tyre issues out of his hands prevent him fighting back against the serious thrashing his teammate is giving him this season.

This nonsensical claim is as a pathetic as an athlete competing in a marathon and using up all his ability by running the first 100 meters in 10 seconds and being kaput for the rest of the race. Or, a driver in the turbo era using full boost the whole way, before running out of fuel half way and then whining that its not working out.

M Schumacher simply doesn't have the talent to drive as quickly in qualifying trim or race trim as his teammate or most of the current grid for that matter. ;-)

#5916 razno

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 18:28

M Schumacher simply doesn't have the talent to drive that car as quickly in qualifying trim or race trim as his teammate. ;-)


Fixed it for you.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 18:52

There are those seemingly claiming M Schumacher has the pace but tyre issues out of his hands prevent him fighting back against the serious thrashing his teammate is giving him this season.

This nonsensical claim is as a pathetic as an athlete competing in a marathon and using up all his ability by running the first 100 meters in 10 seconds and being kaput for the rest of the race. Or, a driver in the turbo era using full boost the whole way, before running out of fuel half way and then whining that its not working out.

M Schumacher simply doesn't have the talent to drive as quickly in qualifying trim or race trim as his teammate or most of the current grid for that matter. ;-)



Your analogies make no sense and are not relevant. It is pretty well known that tyre issues are a major problem for MS, it cannot be denied as just a claim. Driving a setup compromised car is going to slow you down, these are very simple facts. MS is driving with a compromised setup which is exaggerating rear tyre wear. There are many other variables of course but the pattern has been clear through most of the season so far.

Neither of us trully know the extent of problems MS is currently facing and to dismiss any F1 driver let alone a multiple world champion as having a lack of talent is rather childish and frankly it's no better than the blind fanboy attitude you claim to loath.

Anyway, I've already posted my thoughts on MS' problems abit earlier in the thread which predictably nobody read in all probability, would have been interesting to discuss further, but I think I'm being naive to expect that.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 19:06

Your analogies make no sense and are not relevant. It is pretty well known that tyre issues are a major problem for MS, it cannot be denied as just a claim. Driving a setup compromised car is going to slow you down, these are very simple facts. MS is driving with a compromised setup which is exaggerating rear tyre wear. There are many other variables of course but the pattern has been clear through most of the season so far.

Neither of us trully know the extent of problems MS is currently facing and to dismiss any F1 driver let alone a multiple world champion as having a lack of talent is rather childish and frankly it's no better than the blind fanboy attitude you claim to loath.

Anyway, I've already posted my thoughts on MS' problems abit earlier in the thread which predictably nobody read in all probability, would have been interesting to discuss further, but I think I'm being naive to expect that.


One of the few people who look for reasons and explanations, thank you.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 19:30

Your analogies make no sense and are not relevant. It is pretty well known that tyre issues are a major problem for MS, it cannot be denied as just a claim. Driving a setup compromised car is going to slow you down, these are very simple facts. MS is driving with a compromised setup which is exaggerating rear tyre wear. There are many other variables of course but the pattern has been clear through most of the season so far.

Neither of us trully know the extent of problems MS is currently facing and to dismiss any F1 driver let alone a multiple world champion as having a lack of talent is rather childish and frankly it's no better than the blind fanboy attitude you claim to loath.

Anyway, I've already posted my thoughts on MS' problems abit earlier in the thread which predictably nobody read in all probability, would have been interesting to discuss further, but I think I'm being naive to expect that.


All the drivers have tyre issues, they all have the same tyres.

All the drivers have a compromised setup. Setup is always a compromise.

These are not variables, they are equalities.

If MSC is si driving a compromised setup, he has the option to change the setup to one which does not exaggerate rear tyre wear.

This is F1, if the tech regs have skinny tyres which define an oversteery car (or vice versa) that's what you race with. "this type of technology doesn't suit me" is the worst excuse ever. If they created some regs which said you had to be 6 foot 4 to reach the pedals, I could beat every driver on the grid. Wouldn't mean i was any good though.

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#5920 baddog

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 20:05

Bad race all round, what else needs saying?

Better next time hopefully.

#5921 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 20:13

If MSC is si driving a compromised setup, he has the option to change the setup to one which does not exaggerate rear tyre wear.


Well that's the problem : he doesn't have a setup to be fast and easy on the tires.

M Schumacher simply doesn't have the talent to drive as quickly in qualifying trim or race trim as his teammate or most of the current grid for that matter. ;-)


The difference between quali trim and race trim being? Please enlighten us with your F1 knowledge.

Oh, and about talent : 91 wins and 7 championships. I'm sure talent isn't an issue. :rotfl: Other things are Michaels problems this year.

Edited by Diablobb81, 26 September 2010 - 20:17.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 20:35

All the drivers have tyre issues, they all have the same tyres.

All the drivers have a compromised setup. Setup is always a compromise.

These are not variables, they are equalities.

If MSC is si driving a compromised setup, he has the option to change the setup to one which does not exaggerate rear tyre wear.

This is F1, if the tech regs have skinny tyres which define an oversteery car (or vice versa) that's what you race with. "this type of technology doesn't suit me" is the worst excuse ever. If they created some regs which said you had to be 6 foot 4 to reach the pedals, I could beat every driver on the grid. Wouldn't mean i was any good though.


This is a gross oversimplification of what the drivers and teams have to deal with, the tyres are the same for every driver but performance grip and wear are not, understanding why even with detailed telemetry is a serious challenge, as for setups, some cars have very narrow setup windows and some wide, it all comes down to technical design, there are few equalities as you put it but many many variables.

The Mercedes due to design flaws and other issues has a very narrow limited setup window for MS, trying to achieve that pointy front end causes bad rear tyre wear to put it simply, something that would not be a problem with a car that had a wider setup range.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 20:36

I thought he might have been quietly pleased with qualifying as he did perform when had to

first phase was being held by reubens but after the safety car he was struggling until the change to new tyres when he actually managed to at least be on the pace of his teammate.

rather forgetable weekend

he will not quit however until he has driven the new car . wont be able to resist as he now needs tio understand for himself why he has not improved more.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 20:36

Well that's the problem : he doesn't have a setup to be fast and easy on the tires.


Which equates to..... he lacks the talent to set-up the car and drive it in a manner that does his machinary justice.

He just aint good enough....Not by a long way ;-)

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 20:46

he will not quit however until he has driven the new car . wont be able to resist as he now needs tio understand for himself why he has not improved more.


I could save him the time and give him the answer now...he has reached his limit. ;-)

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 20:57

He's clearly not as one with the car or the same person any more. That said, being only 0.5 second consistently off the pace the pace of Rosberg at THIS stage does mean that it's quite remarkable how quickly he has gotten on the pace. He deserves a place in F1 but the vultures are having a field day.


That doesn't make sense. It's precisely being 0.5 second consistently off the pace of Rosberg after 10 months back in the car that show he is probably NOT worthy of a place on this grid. Rosberg is a decent driver but has yet to prove to be anything special, so for Schumacher to be getting thrashed by him (and really it's nothing less than a thrashing) shows the magic is gone.
Nevertheless, he seems determined to stick around for 2011 and that'll be his last chance. If he can beat Rosberg next year (and Mercedes come up with a better car) then he'll probably stay for 2012 as well, but if the car is another piece of mediocrity and Rosberg kicks his ass again, he will surely quit at the end of next year.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 21:02


Well that's the problem : he doesn't have a setup to be fast and easy on the tires.



The difference between quali trim and race trim being? Please enlighten us with your F1 knowledge.

Oh, and about talent : 91 wins and 7 championships. I'm sure talent isn't an issue. :rotfl: Other things are Michaels problems this year.


So lets just say that we had these regs 20 years ago, that would mean Schu would never have got near one race win, let alone 7 championships.

Honestly, some of you guys are either thick or deluded..........

Edited by Murdoch, 26 September 2010 - 21:03.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 21:32

This is a gross oversimplification of what the drivers and teams have to deal with, the tyres are the same for every driver but performance grip and wear are not, understanding why even with detailed telemetry is a serious challenge, as for setups, some cars have very narrow setup windows and some wide, it all comes down to technical design, there are few equalities as you put it but many many variables.

The Mercedes due to design flaws and other issues has a very narrow limited setup window for MS, trying to achieve that pointy front end causes bad rear tyre wear to put it simply, something that would not be a problem with a car that had a wider setup range.



Good post,


Schumacher was fine at Spain in 2010, Monaco in 2010-his points tally was robbed from him, his Turkey performance was very good, his Spa performance was very good, these are races scattered over the year, why is he finding set ups and solutions on some tracks and not others.. Ideally you could say Schumacher should of only tested in 2010 and raced in 2011, but testing is banned, so Schumacher might of well have raced, if you look at Spain 2010/Monaco 2010/Turkey 2010/Spa 2010, he was able to drive the car as well or better then rosberg on these weekends, if he hadn't had those races, then I would of ruled him out for 2011 myself, but he did do well there, his season was chosen by tyres/chassic/car design before he even got in.


Mercedes just look like a broke team this year, as if they spend alot in 2009 as Brawn won and no one was looking at 2010, suddenly Mercedes buys the team and Schumi is in it, but nobody could of planned ahead and said there was a testing ban coming and retired driver coming back, how do you prepare for things like that while your chasing a title in 2009? They got it wrong, and this car is the worst possible one for a MS re-learning f1 to come back too.

Suzuka will be interesting, like Monaco and Spa this year, drivers tracks that Michael has done well at this year and in his first career, be interesting if he can find the set up solutions he needs on a track he has been king at in the past, he did do well at Monaco and Spa this year, so Suzuka could go well or him.

Edited by SeanValen, 26 September 2010 - 21:34.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 22:03

if you look at Spain 2010/Monaco 2010/Turkey 2010/Spa 2010, he was able to drive the car as well or better then rosberg on these weekends,



I disagree with you in some points.


Monaco= Rosberg was way faster in Quali, he only wasn't able to post a proper time in Q3 for some reasons, as a result bad luck with dirty grid line
Turkey= Rosberg was slightly faster in race speed
Spa= Rosberg was using a rain setup, a stronger rain setup than MS, difficult to judge real pace


Pure race results looking as well or better than Rosberg but a look deeper into it you can see he was struggling for pace in some circumstances as well. Monaco race, Barcelona race and Quali and turkey Quali was fine from MS. His best weekend this season was without any doubt Barcelona. The whole weekend better than Rosberg.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 22:07

M Schumacher simply doesn't have the talent to drive as quickly in qualifying trim or race trim as his teammate or most of the current grid for that matter. ;-)

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

good we've got that one settled.
if we agree with you would you please leave?

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 23:01

I am really sorry for launching this thread. It was an emotional mistake with consequences which I haven't think about entirely through.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 23:06

So lets just say that we had these regs 20 years ago, that would mean Schu would never have got near one race win, let alone 7 championships.

Honestly, some of you guys are either thick or deluded..........



It's not the regulations, it's the car +tires + driving style combination. Michael simply isn't coping with it as well as Rosberg. Shit happens, we'll see next year.

Edited by Diablobb81, 26 September 2010 - 23:14.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 23:13

To make car with some natural handling characteristic to opposite one you have to sacrifice something. I think that is Michael problem. He can't drive that car better than Rosberg because he can't drive smooth understering car... like button do. And consequences are that car eat tyre and don't run in optimal temperature...
Its not first time Schumacher suddenly drop peace on end of stints....

Rosberg cope with that much better.

after his last stop for a nose cones his laptimes were really good and i dont think they changed his tyres then? from his after race interview it didnt sound like it

Fastest Laps
4 3 M. SCHUMACHER Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 1:49.680 set on lap 54

8 4 N. ROSBERG Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 1:50.125 set on lap 55
http://www.fia.com/e...n-race-laps.pdf

schumachers fastest sector times were better than rosbergs aswell
http://www.fia.com/e...ace-sectors.pdf

schumachers last stint had good laptimes
http://www.fia.com/e...ce-analysis.pdf

his early pace in the race was pretty poor but the stats show the pace is there for some reason hes just not delivering it or kills the tyres.

if someone can find out if he changed tyres or just the front wing for that stop it would be a big help

Edited by arknor, 26 September 2010 - 23:25.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 23:14

It's not the regulations, it's the car +tires + driving style combination. Michael simply isn't coping with it as well as Rosberg.


Leave aside what he did before he retired 3 seasons ago. If he were a rookie what would your comments on his performance be?

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 23:17

Leave aside what he did before he retired 3 seasons ago. If he were a rookie what would your comments on his performance be?


That he is just a rookie and he should get a further chance, especially since we have no testing. I honestly don't believe that based on his showing this year he shouldn't be in F1.

#5936 rog

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 23:44

after his last stop for a nose cones his laptimes were really good and i dont think they changed his tyres then? from his after race interview it didnt sound like it



Of course they changed the tyres to soft compound. You just have to watch the race careful.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 00:07

It's not the regulations, it's the car +tires + driving style combination. Michael simply isn't coping with it as well as Rosberg. Shit happens, we'll see next year.


Just to expand on that:
From what I heard, from people that work in the car industry, the problem isn't the car or the tyres it's the combo of both. If Schumacher had a normal car with these tyres he wouldn't have that much of an issue, and if he had 'normal' tyres with this car he wouldn't have an issue with the tyres. The problem is that the car has a very high CoG(something that Brawn admitted lately), which is probably a side effect of the unique roll structure(Which was pointed out at the Barca GP by a rival team). Now a car with a high CoG will transfer more weight to the front. If the tyre keeps providing grip then this isn't a huge issue but these tyres saturate and stop providing grip no matter how much load is provided. Not only that but the tyres will be loaded unevenly, which is normal but it will be more extreme in this case, as weight will be transferred to the outside tyre.
So all in all it's a bit of a perfect storm as you have a driver that loves to load the tyres, a car that loads the tyres even if you don't want it and tyres that only accept a very limited load!


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Posted 27 September 2010 - 00:28

Its wierd that he set the 4th fastest lap after only alonso, vettel and kubica.

No point reading too much into stuff like that though.. onwards and upwards

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 01:37

Leave aside what he did before he retired 3 seasons ago. If he were a rookie what would your comments on his performance be?


"Well he could be doing better on track but our car sales have gone through the roof so he stays".

The fact that this thread keeps topping the forum because of what he did 3 years before should tell you theres more to F1 than who crosses the line first, seen how many people subscribe to Bruno Senna's thread in comparison for example?

The "Robert Kubica" thread has 1/10th the subscription for example and Kubica is clearly doing a better job presently.

Edited by cheapracer, 27 September 2010 - 01:39.


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#5940 exmayol

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 02:08

Clearly this was not a good performance. Lack of pace in in the majority of first stint pretty much decided the outcome. I think even without Koba's stunt Michael would have ended without points as the gap between him and folks who have pitted earlier was not big enough. But that's life. Looking forward to Japan!

#5941 Number62

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:25

This is a gross oversimplification of what the drivers and teams have to deal with, the tyres are the same for every driver but performance grip and wear are not, understanding why even with detailed telemetry is a serious challenge, as for setups, some cars have very narrow setup windows and some wide, it all comes down to technical design, there are few equalities as you put it but many many variables.

The Mercedes due to design flaws and other issues has a very narrow limited setup window for MS, trying to achieve that pointy front end causes bad rear tyre wear to put it simply, something that would not be a problem with a car that had a wider setup range.


It's not a simplification (gross or otherwise) becasue it's not an attempt to describe what drivers and teams have to deal with.

It's an attempt to debunk the most commonly stated reasons (excuses) for MSCs lacklustre performance.

The tyres do not suit you or not suit you, it's not a binary solution. The car does not have 2 settings; fast or easy on the tyres.

There are 24 drivers on the grid, there's more than 2 styles of driving, therse's 24 and there all adapting themselves to what there cars will do.

The reason MSC is not leading the WDC is part MSC and part MGP.

The reason MSC is not leading ROS, KUB, SUT is all Michael

#5942 cheapracer

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:10

The reason MSC is not leading the WDC is part MSC and part MGP.

The reason MSC is not leading ROS, KUB, SUT is all Michael


Are you aware your first reason contradicts your second reason?


#5943 Owen

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:11

Michael got an absolute roasting on the red button (BBC) forum yesterday. Man, even I thought they were a bit harsh.

#5944 aditya-now

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:15

Aim of this thread is to discuss issues related to Michael Schumacher. After Bahrain voices were heard about several weaknesses in his current cornering technique. It is my hope we can continue in that spirit, and check on him through the season.

I wish to welcome all, friends and also those ready for conversion as well.;)



I am really sorry for launching this thread. It was an emotional mistake with consequences which I haven't think about entirely through.



What a difference six months can make, Sakae.

I am sure you had the best intentions opening this thread - of course, what amused me from the beginning was the claim "I wish to welcome all, friends and also those ready for conversion as well"....

"To convert somebody" has religious connotations, and indeed it seems like the belief in Schumacher to me, what I can read from the posts of certain members here. No matter what happens on the track, no matter how good or bad Schumacher is really doing, the posts keep coming with religious imbrues, blind to reality.

Those who see the reality and "call a spade a spade" risk to get abused verbally.

So this thread is an excellent study in fan psychology (mind you, the closeness of the terms "fan" and "fanatic" becomes very obvious here) and you should not feel bad about it, Sakae. It´s the human state we witness manifesting here, with those having balanced views (this category generally avois this thread), those who are apologists of Mr. Schumacher and those who are critics of the man, whose record is higher than any other driver in the history of F1, but who very obviously missed the right time to stay out of the sport.

What drove Schumacher to come back? The arrogance to think that he can still drive better than the top drivers of today and show it to the youngsters or simply the joy of racing in F1.... or other factors - this can only be mused about - what Michael Schumacher can indeed learn this year is some humility and that manoeuvres like the one at Hungaroring are not acceptable anymore.

Be it Barrichello, Alguesuari or Kobayashi, they are not imtimitated by one Michael Schumacher anymore, and it is questionable, if it is enough to rest on the laurels of old and then try smile it all away. Michael´s status is such that he can still hold on to what he is doing, but I wonder, how Brawn, Haug or the Mercedes bosses are really feeling deep down inside. Haug, when interviewed about Michael, sometimes gives the impression of a deer looking into the headlights of a car...

One question to you, Sakae: is MiPe your former poster ID here? Strangely enough the reply function to your first post gives "MiPe" and not "Sakae".

#5945 Number62

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:15

Are you aware your first reason contradicts your second reason?


How so?

#5946 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:18

Of course they changed the tyres to soft compound. You just have to watch the race careful.


Quite so.

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#5947 Owen

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:22

Brundle's assessment of Schu's position seemed quite credible; Wait till February, try out the new tyres, check out the new car and if all seems good, stay. If it doesn't look promising, bow out.

#5948 ivand911

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:23

Can somebody explain why after Sutil and Hulk get 20sec penalty, they are still infront of Petrov and Jaime, who were less than 6-7 sec behind them?

#5949 aditya-now

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:27

Brundle's assessment of Schu's position seemed quite credible; Wait till February, try out the new tyres, check out the new car and if all seems good, stay. If it doesn't look promising, bow out.


That´s fair and all that can be said. Kudos to Brundle for his mostly objective commentary.


#5950 Clatter

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:36

"Well he could be doing better on track but our car sales have gone through the roof so he stays".

The fact that this thread keeps topping the forum because of what he did 3 years before should tell you theres more to F1 than who crosses the line first, seen how many people subscribe to Bruno Senna's thread in comparison for example?

The "Robert Kubica" thread has 1/10th the subscription for example and Kubica is clearly doing a better job presently.


Well I seriously doubt he has had any impact on car sales, but it's quite possible that some sponsors have come in because of his return. But I still believe if he were a rookie that there would be far more calling for him to be sacked.