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#6451 cheapracer

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 03:54

. He had illegal TC found on his car, was winning races with excellent pit stops and was found to have an illegally altered fuel rig, claimed the title after ramming his opponent and spent quite a bit of time shitting on hill publically to get to his head.

Now you can argue this was right or wrong till the cows come home but you can't dispute that it happened and it made him a controversial figure.


He did not have illegal TC, get your facts right on the subject otherwise you look technically ignorant.

3 cars were called up to have their black boxes looked at after Journalists attending a Ferrari test session believed they heard TC on the Ferrari - thats important to remember, Journalists heard the TC - the TC was confirmed then and there by the test driver Larini. So the Journalists started a scandal about it (surprise, surprise) that the FIA had to deal with so they called out 3 teams Ferrari, McLaren and Benetton.

Benetton's software was found to have the capability of launch control, not TC but there was no way they could prove that it had been used and there is no evidence at any race start that it had - in fact at the San Marino GP Schumacher was blown off at the start twice by the Ferrari behind him. Schumacher got a good start at the Pacific GP, so what, every driver gets good and bad starts but overall for 1994 Schumacher had no better starts average than any other driver/car.

Now back to the Journos - how is it that a bunch of Journo's can distinguish TC at the Ferrari test session but 100's of mechanics and engineers in the pits and a thousand Journo's all around the track day after day didn't hear TC from any car? TC is totally and uniquely audible to all, you can't hide it especially the still crude versions back then.

Oh but one guy did, one certain A Senna believed that the Benneton had TC and told the world - one person, one meglomaniac who couldn't bare to believe that there may actually be a driver who could match him so it must be the car even though all the 100's of mechanics, engineers and Journo's couldn't/didn't hear TC, yeah right :rolleyes: Further to the point, and you wouldn't know since you clearly have never raced a car, guess what you hear the most when you are behind another car even in a closed sedan - the car in front as the exhausts are pointed right at your face, there is no way a driver behind could not hear if a car directly in front of him had TC, absolutely impossible to miss and lots of drivers were behind the Benettons in 1994 but what protests were ever put forward, none.

Here is something called evidence, you may not have heard of it before but it's something people use to substantiate their claims. In this picture of the second start at the San Morino GP 2 things are very clear (if you have 2 eyes rather than one), the yellow arrows showing Schumacher's first previous start leaving 2 massive black tyre marks on the road from wheelspin and the blue arrows showing the second start with his tyres wheelspinning with smoke coming off of them and he is quite sideways - 2 bad starts with wheelspin and being overtaken by Alesi in the Ferrari behind both times, exactly what Launch Control and TC are designed to prevent.

EVIDENCE ...

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Now where is your evidence that in 1994 Benneton cars had Traction Control??

Edited by cheapracer, 10 October 2010 - 04:03.


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#6452 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 03:59

P10, hope he will start good today. Some times Williams car don't start very well. Maybe he needed to use harder tyres for the race,like Button.


MS developing further backwards, and that on a track that should have naturally suited him. Instead of three tenths backdrop to his teammate he is now already at four tenth - well, maybe it´s the length of the Suzuka circuit...

#6453 arknor

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 04:51

MS developing further backwards, and that on a track that should have naturally suited him. Instead of three tenths backdrop to his teammate he is now already at four tenth - well, maybe it´s the length of the Suzuka circuit...

great qualifying by schumacher , a pitty he got held up again by his team mate! :wave:

#6454 man

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 04:55

great qualifying by schumacher , a pitty he got held up again by his team mate! :wave:


Wish I had a boss like you...complimenting inferior work. ;-)

#6455 arknor

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 04:59

Wish I had a boss like you...complimenting inferior work. ;-)

hey is that you rubens ?

#6456 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 05:14

great qualifying by schumacher , a pitty he got held up again by his team mate! :wave:


:wave:

A pity, you are right. When it goes wrong, it really goes wrong....

:wave:



#6457 ivand911

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 05:52

MS developing further backwards, and that on a track that should have naturally suited him. Instead of three tenths backdrop to his teammate he is now already at four tenth - well, maybe it´s the length of the Suzuka circuit...

Last two Qualy he is in top 10? Not like other 5-6 Qualy before that. Michael said his f-duct is not working.


#6458 arknor

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 05:56

Last two Qualy he is in top 10? Not like other 5-6 Qualy before that. Michael said his f-duct is not working.

not working "as expected" its never been one of the most efficient anyway though...

depends on the track aswell to how the airflow interacts with the rear wing i guess the more basic variants will struggle wtih crosswind etc

#6459 tormave

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 05:56

Star Sports commentators were claiming that Marcedes requires MS to be up to speed next season to be able to drive in the team in the final contract year of 2012. Any links to such a story some place?

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#6460 arknor

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 05:57

Star Sports commentators were claiming that Marcedes requires MS to be up to speed next season to be able to drive in the team in the final contract year of 2012. Any links to such a story some place?

probably someones blog on the internet

#6461 Spa95

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 05:57

Star Sports commentators were claiming that Marcedes requires MS to be up to speed next season to be able to drive in the team in the final contract year of 2012. Any links to such a story some place?

http://forums.autosp...p;#entry4628448

But this has already been denied by Haug...

#6462 JackTorrance

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 05:59

You priviledged guys get to watch another race where the most succesfull, talented brilliant f1 driver ever, michael schumacher is participating in. :up:

#6463 Wade

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:06

10th to 8th. Not bad?

#6464 JackTorrance

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:33

6th :up: and pushing hamilton

#6465 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:33

10th to 8th. Not bad?


Much better - his best race of the year so far, 6th, great overtake, purple sectors - I´m impressed...


#6466 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:40

If only the car would have the pace and if he would do better in quali.

Races like this give confidence for '11.

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 October 2010 - 06:40.


#6467 ivand911

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:43

Michael need to go in the box NOW.

#6468 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:45

Michael need to go in the box NOW.


Kobayashi is catching MS fast and will make mincemeat of him...


#6469 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:47

Kobayashi is catching MS fast and will make mincemeat of him...


Rosberg past Schumacher....better strategy by Nico, but fresh tyres for Michael.


#6470 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:58

Rosberg past Schumacher....better strategy by Nico, but fresh tyres for Michael.


Rosberg controls Schumacher on older tyres, it seems....a defining moment for Michael if he does not manage to get past.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:58

What they say to Michael from the box? Don't overtake? No team order Michael, but don't overtake. I guess team is happy with the situation now. Nico can get 6th in WDC? Who is slowing who now? Michael in the moment can drive with 1:36.5 or even lower. But ,noooo.

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 07:05.


#6472 Wade

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:00

Michael Schumacher is the fastest driver in every single sector AND the speed trap for this race. You don't see that often. #F1




#6473 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:04

What they say to Michael from the box? Don't overtake? No team order Michael, but don't overtake. I guess team is happy with the situation now. Nico can get 6th in WDC?



They said "Michael don´t overtake, but there are no team orders. Nico knows he will not do anything unsensible!" :lol:

Heidfeld is catching Schumacher fast....



#6474 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:04

Rosberg controls Schumacher on older tyres, it seems....a defining moment for Michael if he does not manage to get past.


He can't really barge past him. If there is a collision it won't look good.

Rosberg should have yielded, but oh well.

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 October 2010 - 07:04.


#6475 ivand911

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:09

And after this ,why isn't Michael doing points? Because he is working for the team. He is not self-centred like Nico.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:14

Eh? Nico didn't need to let him by. Schumacher had a go, Nico defended cleanly, that's racing. They don't gain anything exta by having Michael ahead.

#6477 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:14

And after this ,why isn't Michael doing points? Because he is working for the team. He is not self-centred like Nico.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Michael never was self-centered for all those years!



#6478 ivand911

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:18

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Michael never was self-centered for all those years!

He past this point. He is now just keeping Nico's back. I want attacks.

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 07:18.


#6479 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:25

He past this point. He is now just keeping Nico's back.


You finally realized that....I didn´t think I see the day..... :lol:

As Eddie Irvine said, Michael is the best #2 driver in the world!

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#6480 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:27

He past this point. He is now just keeping Nico's back. I want attacks.


Now you got your attack! Fantastic team race....something broke on Nico's car


#6481 Konsta

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:31

Michael has been good this weekend. I wonder if he´d been able to pass Nico though if not for the accident.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:32

And I thought before his pit stop "please let him stay out for another 2-3 laps to be sure to stay out of traffic" and what are they doing seconds later? ...

#6483 ivand911

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:34

Michael has been good this weekend. I wonder if he´d been able to pass Nico though if not for the accident.

He will not, it was team order not to. He lower his pace by 1,5s after Nico crash.
He was keeping Nico back in this race. But, if Nico wasn't crashing they both would be passed by Koba.


#6484 ivand911

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:35

Good race. Not happy how team behave.

#6485 RedBaron

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:37

Schumacher dominated Rosberg this race, going to savour this after the idiots on this forum were able to savour his poor performances. His race pace was much better than Rosberg's and he made a great move on Ruben's in the same breath as his team-mate bullsed up a move.

#6486 arknor

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:38

Eh? Nico didn't need to let him by. Schumacher had a go, Nico defended cleanly, that's racing. They don't gain anything exta by having Michael ahead.

they dont ?
he probably would have caught hamilton who lost 3rd gear and probably wouldnt have been able to accelerate anywhere near as fast as the mercedes out of the hairpin

check how he gaisn 1.2seconds on hamilton in the middle sector !
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at the end schumacher did a 1:34.8 while a few laps previous behind rosberg he was doing alot of 1:36.8

Edited by arknor, 10 October 2010 - 07:39.


#6487 Spa95

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:39

Schumacher dominated Rosberg this race, going to savour this after the idiots on this forum were able to savour his poor performances.

:up:

...and he made a great move on Ruben's in the same breath as his team-mate bullsed up a move.

Was there ever a replay of it? The director kept missing all the important stuff today....

#6488 Konsta

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:39

Schumacher dominated Rosberg this race, going to savour this after the idiots on this forum were able to savour his poor performances. His race pace was much better than Rosberg's and he made a great move on Ruben's in the same breath as his team-mate bullsed up a move.


We apparently have a vey different view of domination. Michael was very good - better than expected but a domination...

If finishing in front of your teammate who had a big accident consoles you, be my guest :)

#6489 BRK

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:40

What a hilarious race. Michael pretty much owned Rosberg today...isn't this also the first track that both drivers didn't drive at last season?


Looks like the Schumacher fans have been proven right,after all. 41 and three years out and he's still capable of performances like that: I really don't care now even if he has a string of DNFs all the way to the end of the season.

#6490 Urawa

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:40

5th was very possible after all. Shame.

#6491 RedBaron

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:40

they dont ?
he probably would have caught hamilton who lost 3rd gear and probably wouldnt have been able to accelerate anywhere near as fast as the mercedes out of the hairpin
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at the end schumacher did a 1:34.8 while a few laps previous behind rosberg he was doing alot of 1:36.8


For sure if Mercedes has let Schumacher past Rosberg Schumacher would have had a very good chance of an ailing Hamilton. Hamilton was horribly slow from slow corners, horridly.

Rosberg far too fragile to disrupt. He has a good mental state and is performing well, Mercedes couldn't tell him to move over or they might trigger a downward trend...

#6492 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:41

We apparently have a vey different view of domination. Michael was very good - better than expected but a domination...

If finishing in front of your teammate who had a big accident consoles you, be my guest :)


Schumacher's best race of the season! Yet certainly no domination - Nico controlled Michael till his suspension broke...


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:41

We apparently have a vey different view of domination. Michael was very good - better than expected but a domination...

If finishing in front of your teammate who had a big accident consoles you, be my guest :)



Dominated on pace, there wasn't a moment Rosberg ever had Schumacher's pace today, nowhere near.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:41

I know there is no 'ifs' and 'buts', but Merc was stupid to pit MS when they did, while he was still capable of going faster than Rosberg on the soft rubber. If they would have waited 3 more laps, MS would have been ahead, and maybe he could have even caught Hamilton in the end...

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:42

well the call to pit michael when he was still extending his gap to nico shows where the team focus has gone. then to allow nico to keep him back when lewis injured comes back to bite them in the butt.

nico was doing well given his start but today michael was the quicker

interesting that his 2 best races at 2 of most difficult. not bad for the old dog. that'll put a spring in his step

#6496 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:42

What a hilarious race. Michael pretty much owned Rosberg today..


Why didn't Michael overtake him then? Nico would not have done anything unsensible...

#6497 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:43

At the point they were making strategy calls, no one knew Hamilton would be so slow later.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:43

Oh yeah, if anything such races prove that Michael has not 'lost it'; he is well capable of racing with the best. And the so-called 'tyre excuses' may not be unsubstantiated after all. But the man is a Suzuka maestro.

Edited by Umpire, 10 October 2010 - 07:44.


#6499 Collective

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:44

Solid performance today. Makes u wonder what would have happen if he managed to qualify ahead of all Williams, FI and Sauber cars and stayed ahead of them after turn 1 consistently.

He started doing 1.35s right after Nico's car failed. We need more of this from him!

Edited by Collective, 10 October 2010 - 07:47.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:44

At the point they were making strategy calls, no one knew Hamilton would be so slow later.


Sure, but that still does not explain why they pit him there. A few laps more and Rosberg would have never seen MS in this race.