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#6551 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:34

If shuey can beat nico over the next three races i'll happily eat my words but the fact still remains he was comfortably beaten by nico in qualy and was behind him the race even thou rosberg had a shocker of a start, how does that translate into a good performance? if shuey was just a normal rookie, even with tyre excuses and anything else he can think of he would not be racing in formula one next season, am i wrong?


You missed the pre-race interview with Schumacher. He said his car had some issues and his F-duct wasn't working properly which caused extra drag on the car and he lost out in some high speed sections.

He was also faster during the race and the team and Nico knew it too. Team orders are banned so a re-arrange between the two couldn't be allowed to happen, and Nico didn't want to yield either - and why should he, they are racing after all.

I think on fast flowing circuits like Spa, Suzuka et al, Schumacher is up there with Rosberg if not better.



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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:35

If shuey can beat nico over the next three races i'll happily eat my words but the fact still remains he was comfortably beaten by nico in qualy and was behind him the race even thou rosberg had a shocker of a start, how does that translate into a good performance? if shuey was just a normal rookie, even with tyre excuses and anything else he can think of he would not be racing in formula one next season, am i wrong?

Rookie 9th in the WDC, with 54 points will be for sure next year in F1. Or you can explain me why Liuzzi, Buemi, Jaime will be next year in F1 even if they are not rookies? Petrov and Hulk are the first placed rookies this year with 19/17 pts. I guess they will be in F1 next year?

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 09:38.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:36

it's new for me,thanks for sharing it :up:
I read Schumi quote after quali in team's press release and no any reply about "F-Duct issues"



You don't know the problem until you've investigated it. Clearly, press released are made after qualifying, so all commentary is based on driver opinion and what data the team have at hand and what they wish to report.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:37

did you even watch the race?

mercedes pitted michael while he was still going 0.5seconds faster a lap than nico who pitted under the safety car to puposely get nico infront.

michael then came out of the pitts and slaughted nicos laptimes to get on his gear box , was on his gear box showing "alonso is faster than you" pace until nico crashed out.

then michael was instantly 1.5-2seconds a lap faster with nico out of the way.


oh wait you didnt pay attention to anything and just want to have a go again


He was faster because of much fresher rubber yes, and being nearly 2 seconds a lap faster surely he should of been able to get past him? kamui was about 2 seconds faster than those around him when he came out of the pits but didn't seem to have to many problems getting by several other guys. So qualying 4 tenths behind your team mate and not being able to overtake him dispite having a big performance advantage thanks to fresh rubber means he had a good grand prix to you?

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:38

After looking at MS's lap times up to his pitstop I really don't understand how they could have pulled him in so early - he was doing just fine for at least another lap!

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:40

By his 2010 standards, a pretty good race from Schumacher. Qualy mediocre, but in all likelihood faster race pace than Rosberg.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:44

After looking at MS's lap times up to his pitstop I really don't understand how they could have pulled him in so early - he was doing just fine for at least another lap!

:drunk:

They can easily get Michael infront of Nico if they wanted. Only problem for me was Heidfeld doing some fast laps, but they can give Michael 1-2 more laps and he can beat Nico at the pit stop. Michael come 4 sec infront of Heidfeld. They have time to calculate things. Team orders, nothing else here. But, to put it this way: We have Alpha,Bravo,Charlie all secured today. :rotfl:

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 09:47.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:44

Rookie 9th in the WDC, with 54 points will be for sure next year in F1. Or you can explain me why Liuzzi, Buemi, Jaime will be next year in F1 even if they are not rookies? Petrov and Hulk is the first placed rookies this year with 19/17 pts. I guess they will be in F1 next year?


Well 54 points compared to 122 for his team mate is a big difference, i agree petrov shouldn't be in f1 next year and i dare say he would of got the boot already is it wasn't for his money, he has been poor compared with robert, however the hulk as often out qualyfied rubens plenty of times this season and shown a good improvement, as for luizzi he looks like he iis going to get replaced by paul di resta next season and jaime and buemi have been close and are hard to compare.



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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:48

They can easily get Michael infront of Nico if they wanted. Only problem for me was Heidfeld doing some fast laps, but they can give Michael 1-2 more laps and he can beat Nico at the pit stop. Michael come 4 sec infront of Heidfeld. They have time to calculate things. Team orders, nothing else here.

But why - Is a possible 6th for Rosberg in the WDC really that important to Mercedes? :drunk:

I just find it odd, very odd... I wished Ross Brawn (who I greatly admire) would explain the train of thought behind that strategy.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:51

He was faster because of much fresher rubber yes, and being nearly 2 seconds a lap faster surely he should of been able to get past him? kamui was about 2 seconds faster than those around him when he came out of the pits but didn't seem to have to many problems getting by several other guys. So qualying 4 tenths behind your team mate and not being able to overtake him dispite having a big performance advantage thanks to fresh rubber means he had a good grand prix to you?

WHAT? rosberg started with old tyres? why did only michael have fresh rubber for the grand prix? nico used all of his in qualifying? :wave:

Edited by arknor, 10 October 2010 - 09:51.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:53

Well 54 points compared to 122 for his team mate is a big difference, i agree petrov shouldn't be in f1 next year and i dare say he would of got the boot already is it wasn't for his money, he has been poor compared with robert, however the hulk as often out qualyfied rubens plenty of times this season and shown a good improvement, as for luizzi he looks like he iis going to get replaced by paul di resta next season and jaime and buemi have been close and are hard to compare.


While Schumacher has been inconsitent this season, there is no reason whatsoever he should be out of a F1 driver next season. He clearly can still drive an F1 car, still has good ability and rarely makes mistakes like the rookies. He's also a PROVEN team leader, has good technical feedback and can help develop the car. The under-fire rookies cannot do that as they don't have the same ability or the experience.

I think the points gap between Schumacher and Rosberg has been exaccerbated somewhat this season due to bad luck, poor strategy and poor race craft. Had it not been for certain races, I dare say the gap would have been a lot closer.

Schumacher's problem is that his reputation preceeds him. He is a giant in the sport and utterly dominated for the best part of 16 years. To be fighting for anything less than podiums and victories counts against him and people expect much much better.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:56

WHAT? rosberg started with old tyres? why did only michael have fresh rubber for the grand prix? nico used all of his in qualifying? :wave:


Nico pitted on lap 1 following the safety car and did the rest of the race on the same set, shuey pitted on lap 25 meaning when he came out behind nico his tyres where much fresher

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:57

Nico pitted on lap 1 following the safety car and did the rest of the race on the same set, shuey pitted on lap 25 meaning when he came out behind nico his tyres where much fresher

so why was rosberg not faster at the start?

http://www.fia.com/e...ce-analysis.pdf

schumacher is clearly faster for the whole race not only at the end...

Edited by arknor, 10 October 2010 - 09:59.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 09:58

But why - Is a possible 6th for Rosberg in the WDC really that important to Mercedes? :drunk:

I just find it odd, very odd... I wished Ross Brawn (who I greatly admire) would explain the train of thought behind that strategy.


Test sessions (as Ross and MS have said) for the remainder of the season, analysis of tyre behaviour, car behaviour with fuel loads etc.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:03

While Schumacher has been inconsitent this season, there is no reason whatsoever he should be out of a F1 driver next season. He clearly can still drive an F1 car, still has good ability and rarely makes mistakes like the rookies. He's also a PROVEN team leader, has good technical feedback and can help develop the car. The under-fire rookies cannot do that as they don't have the same ability or the experience.

I think the points gap between Schumacher and Rosberg has been exaccerbated somewhat this season due to bad luck, poor strategy and poor race craft. Had it not been for certain races, I dare say the gap would have been a lot closer.

Schumacher's problem is that his reputation preceeds him. He is a giant in the sport and utterly dominated for the best part of 16 years. To be fighting for anything less than podiums and victories counts against him and people expect much much better.


Im not trolling or anything but shuey hasn't been inconsistent, he had been consistent, consistently slower than rosberg, all most as much as nakajima last season.

lets not forget that rosberg lost points in hungary with the wheel coming off in the pit lane, he lost places in spain avoiding a incident and there was his rear left suspension ( or whatever it was) failure today, it swings both was regards dnfs/ points lost through incidents.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:08

Nico pitted on lap 1 following the safety car and did the rest of the race on the same set, shuey pitted on lap 25 meaning when he came out behind nico his tyres where much fresher

Nico pitted because he had made a horrible start and the safety car gave him a chance to get his pitstop in and not be dead last, and therefore still be in the race. The price he paid for that was running too long on the primes.

However had he NOT stopped early he would possible have been completely out of contention for points, so it was in fact done for his advantage and to make up for his own bad start, and he has to take the bad with the good.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:08

so why was rosberg not faster at the start?

http://www.fia.com/e...ce-analysis.pdf

schumacher is clearly faster for the whole race not only at the end...


Rosberg was stuck behind slower traffic, behind the torro rossos i think, until they pitted

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:09

Im not trolling or anything but shuey hasn't been inconsistent, he had been consistent, consistently slower than rosberg, all most as much as nakajima last season.

lets not forget that rosberg lost points in hungary with the wheel coming off in the pit lane, he lost places in spain avoiding a incident and there was his rear left suspension ( or whatever it was) failure today, it swings both was regards dnfs/ points lost through incidents.


1: Michael has been a lot better than Nakajima.
2: It has not been swinging both ways, Nico has had a very smooth season by any standards. Michael has been beaten, and beaten well, but the points in fact exaggerate the scale of that.
3: It hasnt been consistent at all, Michael has been outright faster than Nico several times, including this weekend.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:11

Nico pitted because he had made a horrible start and the safety car gave him a chance to get his pitstop in and not be dead last, and therefore still be in the race. The price he paid for that was running too long on the primes.

However had he NOT stopped early he would possible have been completely out of contention for points, so it was in fact done for his advantage and to make up for his own bad start, and he has to take the bad with the good.


im not talking about that, im talking about why shuey was quicker when he was behind nico, there is no relevance in what your saying regard what was being discussed.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:12

I think Michael was very good today. Fast and clean. :up:

I must admit, though that when Rosberg's onboard camera showed him in the wall, I had a brief, fleeting image of both mercs all twisted and beached.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:15

I think Michael was very good today. Fast and clean. :up:

I must admit, though that when Rosberg's onboard camera showed him in the wall, I had a brief, fleeting image of both mercs all twisted and beached.

I also have this fear, that they crashed. But, live timing showed that Michael was moving.

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 10:41.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:20

Nico pit stop early with the SC, why they didn't use this strategy for Michael in Singapore? Team is finding right strategy for him, but not for Michael? They never think how to improve Michael position? Or just Michael race team sucks.

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 10:39.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:33

Rosberg was stuck behind slower traffic, behind the torro rossos i think, until they pitted

if schumacher beats rosberg at chess , oh but the sun was in rosbergs eye and he couldnt see the board ?

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:46

if schumacher beats rosberg at chess , oh but the sun was in rosbergs eye and he couldnt see the board ?


So you've clearly run out of things to say to defend shuey if thats your response then, its a fact that nico was behind the torro rossos after the safety car, meaning he wasn't lapping at his true pace during this peroid of the gp making any comparsion between his and shueys laps at this time of the race invalid and he was on the slower prime tyre where as sheuy was on the quicker option at this time too, is that a bit clearer?

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:48

So you've clearly run out of things to say to defend shuey if thats your response then, its a fact that nico was behind the torro rossos after the safety car, meaning he wasn't lapping at his true pace during this peroid of the gp making any comparsion between his and shueys laps at this time of the race invalid and he was on the slower prime tyre where as sheuy was on the quicker option at this time too, is that a bit clearer?

Why he was behind torro rossos? As I remember he started 6th.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:49

I'm beginning to wonder about Schumachers side of the garage too, they do seem to be abit thick, seemed obvious that he needed more of a gap before pitting... what are they playing at?

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:50

So you've clearly run out of things to say to defend shuey if thats your response then, its a fact that nico was behind the torro rossos after the safety car, meaning he wasn't lapping at his true pace during this peroid of the gp making any comparsion between his and shueys laps at this time of the race invalid and he was on the slower prime tyre where as sheuy was on the quicker option at this time too, is that a bit clearer?

im running our of things? your grasping at straws if you think nico never had any clear air after his pit stop

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:52

im running our of things? your grasping at straws if you think nico never had any clear air after his pit stop


Or im "grasping" at FACTS?

Lets agree to disagree because your never going to be objective about this.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 10:53

SUZUKA RACE
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Michael Schumacher finished the Japanese Grand Prix in the points today after a good start from 10th position on the grid and a strong race, including an exciting battle with his team-mate, saw him finish in sixth place. The team was on course for a double points-finish before an accident for Nico Rosberg brought his race to a premature end on lap 48 when he was in sixth position, just ahead of Michael who was then in seventh place.

NICO ROSBERG
"It was a disappointing end to the weekend today. Due to a clutch problem, my start was poor but our strategy was good to change tyres under the safety car on the first lap which enabled me to recover the places and be racing in sixth position. My tyres were suffering from having done such a long stint so it was tough to maintain a good pace but it was enough to keep Michael behind. Then something broke on the rear of the car and put me into the tyre barrier which ended my race early."

MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
"I am quite happy with the race today and the car felt really good. The opportunity to make up places was just what I hoped for and sixth place was the maximum that we could have achieved. It was good racing and it must have been very entertaining for the crowd. It was fun to be racing Nico so it is a shame what happened to him. We are now heading to South Korea and although I don't really know what to expect, if our car is as good as it was here, then I hope for another encouraging race."

ROSS BRAWN
"We had a strong race today with both cars and it is very disappointing and frustrating that Nico was unable to finish the race. Our prime concern was for his safety and thankfully he is absolutely fine. Prior to the incident, he was in an excellent position having taken advantage of an early stop under the safety car to make up places lost at the start. Michael also had a very good race today with a great start setting him up to make up positions. It was an entertaining few laps when Nico and Michael were fighting for sixth place and we were happy for them to battle it out. We are looking into the cause of Nico's accident now and as always there will be a thorough investigation into what happened."

NORBERT HAUG
"Michael finished in sixth place today and was the first car behind the five drivers fighting for the World Championship. He drove a strong race after he was handicapped with a small technical issue during qualifying. We still need to investigate what happened to Nico's car six laps before the end when he was in sixth position. It is a real shame that he could not finish and sorry to him for that. Nico drove a faultless race and it was a good strategy to bring him in under the safety car on lap one. Michael proved this weekend that he is strong when we give him the base to do so."

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 11:19

If shuey can beat nico over the next three races i'll happily eat my words but the fact still remains he was comfortably beaten by nico in qualy and was behind him the race even thou rosberg had a shocker of a start, how does that translate into a good performance? if shuey was just a normal rookie, even with tyre excuses and anything else he can think of he would not be racing in formula one next season, am i wrong?



Cause of the saftey car had that not come out Nico would of been near the back and not benefit from being a pit stop ahead of everyone else

Edited by Massa_f1, 10 October 2010 - 11:19.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:11

Im not trolling or anything but shuey hasn't been inconsistent, he had been consistent, consistently slower than rosberg, all most as much as nakajima last season.

lets not forget that rosberg lost points in hungary with the wheel coming off in the pit lane, he lost places in spain avoiding a incident and there was his rear left suspension ( or whatever it was) failure today, it swings both was regards dnfs/ points lost through incidents.


Schumacher has been inconsistent, we've see that all season. Sometimes he beats Rosberg, sometimes he gets his doors blown off by Rosberg. Sometimes he seems as quick as him but still manages to fall behind him. How can you call that consistency? If anything, the only consistent one has been Rosberg; a regular Top 10 qualifer and finisher. Schumacher on the other hand, has been hot and cold; mostly cold.

Rosberg may have lost points in Hungary and today with the loose wheels but Schumacher has lost points - good points - while being in a points scoring position only for bad strategy to have eluded him on many occasions.

Schumacher has definately bore the brunt of the bad luck - both his fault and as a result of circumstances out of his control.

I'm no Schumacher sychophant but I think a realistic appraisal needs to be conducted here. He more than deserves a place in F1, he has shown he has the pace, isn't dog slow (like Fisi and Badoer were last year) and can still race.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:24

Or im "grasping" at FACTS?

Lets agree to disagree because your never going to be objective about this.


Mate do you think you could find some decent manners and take your writings/thoughts to the relevant MS Vs Rosberg thread? I come here and not there to avoid your style postings/comparisons.

Obviously Spa and today are starting to fire something up in MS, great racing with Rosberg (who drove very well and held his own) and great pass on Rubens who I'm sure said " thats just horrible!" when it happened :lol:

Naysayer or supporter, it would be great for F1 overall if MS does get the old fire back next year.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:29

A watched with a smile today as I saw a little of the old Michael magic emerge from the cockpit of the Mercedes. I would really like to have seen the pass on Barrichello as the end of it that I saw, it appeared as if he's gone around the outside of him. Would be a pretty sweet pass to see.

Pity Michael couldn't get passed Nico but I'm guessing Schumy didn't want to risk taking both cars out of the points (he was obviously much faster than Rosberg). 6th place will do for this weekend and I'm much happier about my hero than I was at Singapore.



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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:52

Schu: No need for Merc position swap

The 41-year-old admits he did enquire whether it would have made sense for the team to switch the positions so to not leave them vulnerable to cars behind, but understood their reasons for not doing so.

“Well I had asked obviously whether it would make sense to let me go and try and push ahead or avoid any circumstance in latter stage towards the back situation,”“But the team obviously monitored the situation well and decided it wasn’t necessary [to let him through] and let us race.

“It was exciting and nice, to a point. “I think it wouldn’t have been necessary to change the position at the end of the day because we wouldn’t have been really up the front.”

Asked to elaborate what he meant by “to a point”, He added that Rosberg had been hard, but fair, in his defence of position, while the strong tail wind down the main straight had compromised his passing opportunities.

“Nice to a point that you feel so much quicker due to the fact that you have fresh tyres, you would like to go by,” Schumacher explained.“He blocked very cleverly, and fairly, but on the hard side – but that’s what I enjoy, racing to the point.

“I was putting myself in position to make my manoeuvres, but we had a lot of tail wind on the straight today so everybody was down in the [rev] limiter and every time you got into the slipstream and got into the overrun you suddenly hit the limiter and you were then equal speed.“So there was no chance to pass down the straight. That was a little bit frustrating sometimes from that point of view, but nothing otherwise.”


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:16

all the times when rosberg has aparently been held up my michael we neversaw rosberg show pace whilst behind like schumacher did today

Whenever Rosberg has been behind MS and being held up, he didnt have 25 laps newer tyres.


And yet, Schumacher was faster than Rosberg in both FP sessions and then he suddenly lost four tenths or so. That doesn't need to be explained, right?

FP sessions are completely irrelevant, what an argument :rotfl:


However if Michael DID say something was wrong with his F-Duct (which I dont know, I didnt see it) then there was something wrong. You could accuse the man of a lot but lying about a tech issue to excuse his performance? Nothing could be more out of character.

MS has lied many times before, Jerez, Monaco. He has also lied about technical problems, think back to Shanghai 2004 where he spun in qualifying and blamed it on the car, only for Ross Brawn to say it was schumachers fault 100%.

Ross Brawn said not long ago that Michael's problem is slow corners on these type of tyres, while he is still very quick in fast corners. Today's race proved that theory is right. Hope next year's tyres will suit him a lot better and he won't struggle in slow corners either any more.

He has had many years of tyres being made custom-made for him. Hopefully next years tyres wont suit him at all and he will embarass himself even more than he has done this year.

WHAT? rosberg started with old tyres? why did only michael have fresh rubber for the grand prix? nico used all of his in qualifying? :wave:

:rotfl: :rotfl:

so why was rosberg not faster at the start?

1) Traffic
2) Rosberg had as new tyres as MS on at the beginning of the race.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:31

I think Michael was very good today. Fast and clean. :up:

I must admit, though that when Rosberg's onboard camera showed him in the wall, I had a brief, fleeting image of both mercs all twisted and beached.




I think the world had a feeling about that!


Schumacher this year has done well at Spain, Monaco, Spa, Suzuka and Turkey. These are drivers tracks, Turkey having a few very good fast corners, and Ross Brawn did say that it's odd where Michael is losing time, it's not the fast corners, but the slow corners. We know he doesn't like the front tyres this year, in cominbination with a car that's not race winning material, it does bold well to do welll at proper tracks, he's found sets ups that have allolowed him to drive what is a difficult cat to set up for himself, it bolds well. We knew he was going to struggle on certain tracks going by what he said earlier in the year, but what is good, he's shown himself to do well on the really challenging tracks, and that's the good thing for the coming seasons.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:33

so i said

so why was rosberg not faster at the start?

you replied

1) Traffic
2) Rosberg had as new tyres as MS on at the beginning of the race.


yet in the other thread you say concerning schumacher beeing stuck behind nico

Not Rosbergs problem that MS cannot overtake anyone, despite having MUCH newer tyres-


yet you also said

Schumacher was faster only because he had new tyres on, with similar tyres it would go as it did in Qualifying.



im not even going to waste my time replying to your posts in future

Edited by Buttoneer, 11 October 2010 - 10:24.
removed personal attack


#6588 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:35

proof your just trolling



yet you use traffic as a nico excuse?
you just come here to gloat and troll

When did Rosberg have much newer tyres than other drivers this race?

#6589 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:38

I think the world had a feeling about that!


Schumacher this year has done well at Spain,

Yes

Monaco,

Held up Rosberg most of the race.

Spa,

On his favourite track, with the car set up for dry conditions more than Rosberg, he was unable to pull away from Rosberg.

Suzuka

Much slower than Rosberg in qualy, but we never had a good way to measure their racepace.

and Turkey.

Held up Rosberg the whole race again.


Oh and to call Spain a drivers track is quite silly, that track is one of the most car-dependent tracks in F1.


#6590 Jazza

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:38

I think the world had a feeling about that!


Schumacher this year has done well at Spain, Monaco, Spa, Suzuka and Turkey. These are drivers tracks, Turkey having a few very good fast corners, and Ross Brawn did say that it's odd where Michael is losing time, it's not the fast corners, but the slow corners. We know he doesn't like the front tyres this year, in cominbination with a car that's not race winning material, it does bold well to do welll at proper tracks, he's found sets ups that have allolowed him to drive what is a difficult cat to set up for himself, it bolds well. We knew he was going to struggle on certain tracks going by what he said earlier in the year, but what is good, he's shown himself to do well on the really challenging tracks, and that's the good thing for the coming seasons.


What exactly makes a drivers track? How is Spain or Spa anymore a drivers track than Albert Park or Monza?

(it's interesting that the so called "drivers tracks" like Suzuka normally have team mates lining up beside each other more often than at other tracks. Probably because the drivers tracks have more to do with car performance...)


#6591 SeanValen

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:44

Yes

Oh and to call Spain a drivers track is quite silly, that track is one of the most car-dependent tracks in F1.



Spain is a quite technical track that's ever changing day by day to set up, it's not as great as Spa/Suzuka sure, but it doesn't hurt MS has always done well there, infact scored decent points all his career there despite 2005, best at the track.



Or in another points has Schumacher done any good performance this season for you?
Enjoy the hate and your Sunday. :smoking: :smoking: :up:



What exactly makes a drivers track? How is Spain or Spa anymore a drivers track than Albert Park or Monza?

(it's interesting that the so called "drivers tracks" like Suzuka normally have team mates lining up beside each other more often than at other tracks. Probably because the drivers tracks have more to do with car performance...)



It's all about the fast corners, the Suzuka S's are one of the finest sectors you can make a difference iwth all year. Schumacher doesn't have a problem with the fast corners this year in his struggle, it's the slow corners/breaking on some tracks that he's not enjoying with the current tyre/car comibination, I think that';s been very obvious. At Suzuka when you arrive in turn 1, it's fast, and your not coming to a full stop often at this track without having come out of a fast corner leading onto a straight, then breaking, that's the stuff real racers dig into.

Albert Park and Monza are challenges as well, but they don't have a Suzuka Ss first section and or Spa's fast corners, and fast corners, do I really have to educate you on the sport? Fast corners are were the top drivers really make the difference.



AND ALL TRACKS HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH CAR PERFORMANCE DOH! But not all drivers do well in the corners of the world especially the challenging fast ones..


Edited by SeanValen, 10 October 2010 - 13:56.


#6592 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:48

Spain is a quite technical track that's ever changing day by day to set up, it's not as great as Spa/Suzuka sure, but it doesn't hurt MS has always done well there, infact scored decent points all his career there despite 2005, best at the track.

So basically for you a drivers track is where MS has done well.


Or in another points has Schumacher done any good performance this season for you?

I just said in the previous post that he did well at spain. The rest have been either ok or bad performances. it it a shame we didnt have a clear measure of his pace against Nico today.

Edited by Cheap Wine Alesi, 10 October 2010 - 13:48.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:51

Please remember at on these "drivers tracks" Kubica in the Renault has shown much better pace than the
Mercedes duo. Monaco, Spa and Suzuka

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:57

So basically for you a drivers track is where MS has done well.



I just said in the previous post that he did well at spain. The rest have been either ok or bad performances. it it a shame we didnt have a clear measure of his pace against Nico today.



Give him Spain, very kind of you, merry christmas.

:rotfl: Enjoy the hate way of spending Sunday afternoon.


Please remember at on these "drivers tracks" Kubica in the Renault has shown much better pace than the
Mercedes duo. Monaco, Spa and Suzuka



Only if we had a day where all forumers could donate money for Nico and Michael to get out of their contracts and join a 4 car Renault team to prove your point.
Kubica top driver, but that Renault is still a different car , your avoiding comparing Schumacher to Nico at Suzuka but making Nico an d Schumacher look lesser now then other drivers, if you can't use Nico 's result against Michael, grab another driver to bash Schumacher against. Very silly, and there's been better arguements from Schuey critics in the past which were much more balanced and enjoyable to read.


Enjoy the Sunday hate afternoon :smoking: :wave:



Edited by SeanValen, 10 October 2010 - 14:02.


#6595 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 13:58

Give him Spain, very kind of you, merry christmas.

:rotfl: Enjoy the hate way of spending Sunday afternoon.

Oh yes, he has been just perfect this year :rotfl: :rolleyes:

#6596 SeanValen

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 14:11

Oh yes, he has been just perfect this year :rotfl: :rolleyes:



And 1st year back after 3 years out, having achieved what no other driver has done in the sport, a new era of no testing, limited budgets/designs set in the stone, who says Schumacher year this year has to be perfect, where any of his championship title seasons perfect, perfect is boring, a quest to get near it is more realistic. Perhaps he has to struggle this year to be better in the coming seasons, as Alonso was saying just a wee while ago, he has nothing to prove to anyone, but it don't hurt having good Suzuka/Spa/Monaco/Turkey races in a year back after retirement with many issues on tyres/car, he can still find solutions in what is a ldifficult car for himself. You are dealing with a living legend every weekend, he creates the most discussions, thousand post thread blockbusters, even with a title showdown looming, he's still creating discussions, good for the forumers, even your contribution is appreciated.

Well done everyone for entertainment discussions.

Enjoy Sunday afternoon hate with some tea, it helps with the f1 pain. :wave: :smoking:

#6597 Graybearded

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 15:21

My eyes were opened last night when forced to watch Irish TV internet streamed to see qualifying live - the commentators just went on and on and on about how bad Schumacher is over a minor incident between Alonso and him in the early stages of Q1.

Some people across the pound clearly have an irrational "I hate Schumacher" problem.

:down:

Edited by Graybearded, 10 October 2010 - 15:22.


#6598 ivand911

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 15:25

http://translate.goo...-nicht-ein.html
http://www.motorspor...-nicht-ein.html
We clearly see problems he have in first and second sector in Qualy. But, not such problem in the race.

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 15:28.


#6599 aditya-now

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 16:48

You should try coming across him in the live forum, ridiculous MS hatred at it's peak, can't have him on ignore there sadly :down:


I did not notice any hatred towards Michael in the live forum, in fact everyone gave Michael his due very fairly. This whole "MS hatred" argument makes you sound like a broken record....


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 17:16

I did not notice any hatred towards Michael in the live forum, in fact everyone gave Michael his due very fairly. This whole "MS hatred" argument makes you sound like a broken record....


Oh,the irony....you of all people talking about a broken record. :lol:

Or wait-you want me to prove it?  ;)