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#6601 Polle

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 17:45

A much better performance here. Nice overtaking on Rubens but shame for Nico though.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 17:47

http://www.f1fanatic...-prix-analysis/
how schumacher got stuck behind rosberg japanese grand prix analysis

2more laps and schumacher would have had him....

nice call BRAWN! smells like "alonso isnt faster than you " , "save fuel lewis"

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 18:17

Nice race from Schumacher. The team order if there was any was logical and normal from the team point of view. This weekend Schumacher was a bit quicker than Rosberg but there were too few races where he was better than Rosberg. We will see how he will do next year. Few good races do not bring the spring.


Edited by slaveceru, 10 October 2010 - 18:18.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 18:22

And 1st year back after 3 years out, having achieved what no other driver has done in the sport, a new era of no testing, limited budgets/designs set in the stone, who says Schumacher year this year has to be perfect, where any of his championship title seasons perfect, perfect is boring, a quest to get near it is more realistic. Perhaps he has to struggle this year to be better in the coming seasons, as Alonso was saying just a wee while ago, he has nothing to prove to anyone, but it don't hurt having good Suzuka/Spa/Monaco/Turkey races in a year back after retirement with many issues on tyres/car, he can still find solutions in what is a ldifficult car for himself. You are dealing with a living legend every weekend, he creates the most discussions, thousand post thread blockbusters, even with a title showdown looming, he's still creating discussions, good for the forumers, even your contribution is appreciated.

Well done everyone for entertainment discussions.

Enjoy Sunday afternoon hate with some tea, it helps with the f1 pain. :wave: :smoking:



He as scored 54 points this season, compared to his team mate who has scored a total of 122, over twice as many as shuey, also shuey has been out of the points on 6 occasions this season, only one of which cant be put down to him, which was in malaysia. Again compared to his team mate who has been in the points on all but 3 occasions, two of which can't be blamed on him, the hungary pitlane incident and todays wheel/suspension failure. Just to add to this rosberg has finished ahead of shumi in 12 races, shuey has beaten his younger teammate 4 times.

those are the facts, i feel he has faded into a shadow of his former self, in the mid/late 90's he put in some incredible drives in cars that didn't deserve to be in places that he could put them, the early 2000's he generally had the fastest, most reliable equipment on the grid, not to mention a team mate who was a contracted number 2 and he was able to produce a stunning record of 5 WDC on the trot as a result, im not doubting that the guy was a genius, one of the greatest ever to done a crash helmet, however, like many top sports men and women there comes a point when thier bodys and minds no longer allow them to access thier incredible talent, this is the time to step down and i felt 06 was the right time for him to retire, whilst still fighting at the top.

I hope im proved wrong next season and he is able to show us that he has still got "it", but im yet to be convinced otherwise.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 18:28

He as scored 54 points this season, compared to his team mate who has scored a total of 122, over twice as many as shuey, also shuey has been out of the points on 6 occasions this season, only one of which cant be put down to him, which was in malaysia. Again compared to his team mate who has been in the points on all but 3 occasions, two of which can't be blamed on him, the hungary pitlane incident and todays wheel/suspension failure. Just to add to this rosberg has finished ahead of shumi in 12 races, shuey has beaten his younger teammate 4 times.

Can you tell us how other races he didn't get into the points are down to him? Like in Australia, Monaco, Valencia. And if you don't know Nico get 40 points difference in first 4 races.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 18:55

Can you tell us how other races he didn't get into the points are down to him? Like in Australia, Monaco, Valencia. And if you don't know Nico get 40 points difference in first 4 races.


Sure, in Oz he actually came P10 and got the one point, monaco he overtook undersafety car conditions and was punished for breaking this rule by the stewards and valencia, canada, hungary and singapore he wasn't good enough to finish in the top 10.



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Posted 10 October 2010 - 18:58

Sure, in Oz he actually came P10 and got the one point, monaco he overtook undersafety car conditions and was punished for breaking this rule by the stewards and valencia, canada, hungary and singapore he wasn't good enough to finish in the top 10.

is that the same canada with a retarded pit stratergy from the team like most races? , is that the same oz where he was involved in a collision through no fault of his own?
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biased much?

Edited by arknor, 10 October 2010 - 18:59.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:01

Sure, in Oz he actually came P10 and got the one point, monaco he overtook undersafety car conditions and was punished for breaking this rule by the stewards and valencia, canada, hungary and singapore he wasn't good enough to finish in the top 10.

In Oz he was hit(by Button/Alonso), in Valencia he was 3rd before stupid team pit call. Easy in the points. In Monaco team tell them to race to the finish. Singapore also hit by Koba. Canada collision with Kubica. Can I guess you were 3 years old when Michael started to race? And you don't know nothing about him? If this is the case ,you missed Greatest driver in F1 maybe with 10 years. Sorry for you.

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 19:17.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:18

In Oz he was hit(by Button/Alonso), in Valencia he was 3rd before stupid team pit call. Easy in the points. In Monaco team tell them to race to the finish. Singapore also hit by Koba. Canada collision with Kubica.


In valencia he was only 3rd virtue of everyone else pitting when the safety car was deployed and he stayed out for a lap longer before pitting meaning he was 3rd for that lap only and was never actually in a "net" 3rd place. I was talking about when he did not score points ,in oz he scored a point and canada the "collision" was his fault and it didn't result in him losing any more places or having to pit as a result and singapore was a 50-50 incident and he was going very slowly and struggling to hold off kamui before the incident anyway.

Edited by olliek88, 10 October 2010 - 19:31.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:23

In Oz he was hit(by Button/Alonso), in Valencia he was 3rd before stupid team pit call. Easy in the points. In Monaco team tell them to race to the finish. Singapore also hit by Koba. Canada collision with Kubica. Can I guess you were 3 years old when Michael started to race? And you don't know nothing about him? If this is the case ,you missed Greatest driver in F1 maybe with 10 years. Sorry for you.


Yup i was three in 91, and if you refer to my earlier post you'll note i also believe he was one of the greatest drivers ever, no one can deny that, but that was in his first career now is a different story, i feel he is no longer the driver he once was, i'd loved to be proved wrong next season but i just can't see him performing as he once did ever again.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:24

In valencia he was only 3rd virtue of everyone else pitting when the safety car was deployed and he stayed out for a lap longer before pitting meaning he was 3rd for that lap only and was never actually in a "net" 3rd place. I was talking about when he did not score points ,in oz he scored a point and canada the "collision" was his fault and it didn't result in him losing any more places or having to pit as a result.

He was 3rd in Valencia no matter what before the pit. Like Koba was 4th and 3rd after Michael pit. If he didn't pit he was 3rd. And he have good chance for 6th,7th place in the end. I don't even count one point in The Oz. He lost there double digit result. Guys who was 1st and 2nd in the end were behind him at the first corner.
Michael don't need to prove anything to anyone. If you don't like his performance it is your problem only. Nobody can help you.

Edited by ivand911, 10 October 2010 - 19:31.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:30

in oz he scored a point and canada the "collision" was his fault and it didn't result in him losing any more places or having to pit as a result.


right... thats the same kubica incident renault said they were glad schumacher carried on in a straight line cutting the corner because kubica was never going to make it?
same race where schumacher did 3 stops and most others did 1

is this the same kubica that has done silly movies on other people this season? i seem to recall him trying the same move on alonso.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:36

right... thats the same kubica incident renault said they were glad schumacher carried on in a straight line cutting the corner because kubica was never going to make it?
same race where schumacher did 3 stops and most others did 1

is this the same kubica that has done silly movies on other people this season? i seem to recall him trying the same move on alonso.


Most people in canada pitted 2 or 3 times due to the high tyre degradation, the fact remains the incident discussed in canada was caused as a result of shuey squeezing kubica to the inside dispite RK having the line for the corner.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:42

He was 3rd in Valencia no matter what before the pit. Like Koba was 4th and 3rd after Michael pit. If he didn't pit he was 3rd. And he have good chance for 6th,7th place in the end. I don't even count one point in The Oz. He lost there double digit result. Guys who was 1st and 2nd in the end were behind him at the first corner.
Michael don't need to prove anything to anyone. If you don't like his performance it is your problem only. Nobody can help you.


In valencia he was P11 before the saftey car came out, he qualyied in P15 and the SC was deployed on lap 10 i think, how do you propose he made up 12 places in 10 laps? he didn't.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:43

He as scored 54 points this season, compared to his team mate who has scored a total of 122, over twice as many as shuey, also shuey has been out of the points on 6 occasions this season, only one of which cant be put down to him, which was in malaysia. Again compared to his team mate who has been in the points on all but 3 occasions, two of which can't be blamed on him, the hungary pitlane incident and todays wheel/suspension failure. Just to add to this rosberg has finished ahead of shumi in 12 races, shuey has beaten his younger teammate 4 times.

those are the facts, i feel he has faded into a shadow of his former self, in the mid/late 90's he put in some incredible drives in cars that didn't deserve to be in places that he could put them, the early 2000's he generally had the fastest, most reliable equipment on the grid, not to mention a team mate who was a contracted number 2 and he was able to produce a stunning record of 5 WDC on the trot as a result, im not doubting that the guy was a genius, one of the greatest ever to done a crash helmet, however, like many top sports men and women there comes a point when thier bodys and minds no longer allow them to access thier incredible talent, this is the time to step down and i felt 06 was the right time for him to retire, whilst still fighting at the top.

I hope im proved wrong next season and he is able to show us that he has still got "it", but im yet to be convinced otherwise.




Lots of stats and facts, but summary is even Schumacher told us he's going to struggle this year, he doesn't like these front tyres/chassic combination, lack of budget in the cost saving era/no testing means he's been talking up 2011 for most of this year, so when he does have a bad weekend or good weekend this year, I'm not surprised, people can whine about perfect years to retire, he knows what he can do at Suzuka/Spa this year, he knows his abilities. Don't stick around here trying to convince us Schuey's past iit or needs to retire, then your no better then the bad press he's gotten. And it's a waste of your own time, because convincing people of your viewpoint to make them think like you is one of the reasons why threads and posts are never ending, save your time.

Where is it written Schumacher must be really really good in 2010 to be better in 2011/2012 after returning from retirement. This is the same sport where Jenson Button who never retired but was written off still got a title, and the same sport were Mark Webber got no one's attention some seasons back and got writ off, look this year, formula one can change alot in a year, it took 10years with ferrari-with big budgets and testing/hardwork to get him going into the history books. It took 2 full on seasons with Benetton before MS won with them. 1 year with Merc after retiring, it's early days, especially coming from retirement.



Edited by SeanValen, 10 October 2010 - 19:52.


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 19:47

In valencia he was P11 before the saftey car came out, he qualyied in P15 and the SC was deployed on lap 10 i think, how do you propose he made up 12 places in 10 laps? he didn't.

There was SC or you prefer all to forget about it, he was 3rd at some point this is important. He could stay there if they wanted, this is important. As you say he gain maybe 4 places at the start, or you think they stop and let him pass?


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 20:07

In Oz he was hit(by Button/Alonso), in Valencia he was 3rd before stupid team pit call. Easy in the points. In Monaco team tell them to race to the finish. Singapore also hit by Koba. Canada collision with Kubica. Can I guess you were 3 years old when Michael started to race? And you don't know nothing about him? If this is the case ,you missed Greatest driver in F1 maybe with 10 years. Sorry for you.



There was SC or you prefer all to forget about it, he was 3rd at some point this is important. He could stay there if they wanted, this is important. As you say he gain maybe 4 places at the start, or you think they stop and let him pass?


Being third because everyone else has pitted and he hadn't doesn't mean the team made a stupid pit call to ruin his race as you claimed, it means he was out of sinc and never with any chance of finishing 3rd, it means he was 3rd for one lap before he pitted, as almost everyone else had already pitted and he hadn't.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 20:11

Most people in canada pitted 2 or 3 times due to the high tyre degradation, the fact remains the incident discussed in canada was caused as a result of shuey squeezing kubica to the inside dispite RK having the line for the corner.

that wasnt even the incident the incident that caused the problems was a few corners past that....

kubica was never going to make the corner and schumacher had no choice but to skill across the grass aswell... kubica did the same thing to alonso a few races later....


renault at the time said they are glad schumacher didnt try to make the corner but it was also the reason schumacher pitted again on lap 14 after pitting only 2 laps earlier which dropped him down the back of the grid and got him stuck behind loads of slow cars

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 20:38

It's all about the fast corners, the Suzuka S's are one of the finest sectors you can make a difference iwth all year. Schumacher doesn't have a problem with the fast corners this year in his struggle, it's the slow corners/breaking on some tracks that he's not enjoying with the current tyre/car comibination, I think that';s been very obvious. At Suzuka when you arrive in turn 1, it's fast, and your not coming to a full stop often at this track without having come out of a fast corner leading onto a straight, then breaking, that's the stuff real racers dig into.

Albert Park and Monza are challenges as well, but they don't have a Suzuka Ss first section and or Spa's fast corners, and fast corners, do I really have to educate you on the sport? Fast corners are were the top drivers really make the difference.



AND ALL TRACKS HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH CAR PERFORMANCE DOH! But not all drivers do well in the corners of the world especially the challenging fast ones..


What rubbish. Suzuka has some of the closes team mate battles every year. It is not uncommon for teams to line up two by two with only one or two team mates out of position. If the so called driver tracks were more about the driver then others then they should have the biggest team mate gaps, not the smallest.

As for fast corners, they are not where drivers make the difference. It's impossible to make the difference in the fast corners, as you either have the balance or you don't. (not to mention that many of the fast corners are just flat throttle these days. Must take awesome talent to push the pedal down flat. No wonder only the very best shine :rolleyes: )

Keep educating people about the sport but...

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 20:52

Or wait-you want me to prove it? ;)


Yes, pleeeeaaaasssseee!!!!!! ;)


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Posted 10 October 2010 - 21:30

Very solid race for Michael. Too bad the team has pitted him couple laps earlier than necessary and then "sensible" Nico "had enough pace to hold him off".. With LH problems at later stages of the race MS could have had a shot for 5th.

Edited by exmayol, 10 October 2010 - 21:33.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 01:21

Lots of stats and facts, but summary is even Schumacher told us he's going to struggle this year, he doesn't like these front tyres/chassic combination, lack of budget in the cost saving era/no testing means he's been talking up 2011 for most of this year, so when he does have a bad weekend or good weekend this year, I'm not surprised, people can whine about perfect years to retire, he knows what he can do at Suzuka/Spa this year, he knows his abilities. Don't stick around here trying to convince us Schuey's past iit or needs to retire, then your no better then the bad press he's gotten. And it's a waste of your own time, because convincing people of your viewpoint to make them think like you is one of the reasons why threads and posts are never ending, save your time.

Where is it written Schumacher must be really really good in 2010 to be better in 2011/2012 after returning from retirement. This is the same sport where Jenson Button who never retired but was written off still got a title, and the same sport were Mark Webber got no one's attention some seasons back and got writ off, look this year, formula one can change alot in a year, it took 10years with ferrari-with big budgets and testing/hardwork to get him going into the history books. It took 2 full on seasons with Benetton before MS won with them. 1 year with Merc after retiring, it's early days, especially coming from retirement.

I don't know what he told us but I remember his fans, you included, telling he would leave no stone unturned and be the best prepared driver for this season in every respect imaginable. Some more optimistic ones were even putting him as a WDC contender. Now it's funny to read all the excuses and the promises about a better showing in 2011/2012. I am curious to find out what was Haug doing in Kimi's house in Switzerland a couple of months ago, did he drop in just to have a sausage and beer or did they talk business?

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 03:24

Very solid race for Michael. Too bad the team has pitted him couple laps earlier than necessary and then "sensible" Nico "had enough pace to hold him off".. With LH problems at later stages of the race MS could have had a shot for 5th.


Im very curious why they didnt leave him out a few laps longer, he was consistently pulling out 0.6 a lap on Nico, even with his worn tyres...

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 03:37

I don't know what he told us but I remember his fans, you included, telling he would leave no stone unturned and be the best prepared driver for this season in every respect imaginable.


What stupidity, how could anyone reasonably assume any driver could be the best prepared driver after a 3 year layoff and with major car changes in between?

I would like you to find those quotes, even I would support you ......

I honestly thought he would show some after 4 or so races but was a little dissapointed and then hoped that Spa would rekindle the spirit and now am happier and look forward to more progress.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 03:56

I don't know what he told us but I remember his fans, you included, telling he would leave no stone unturned and be the best prepared driver for this season in every respect imaginable. Some more optimistic ones were even putting him as a WDC contender. Now it's funny to read all the excuses and the promises about a better showing in 2011/2012. I am curious to find out what was Haug doing in Kimi's house in Switzerland a couple of months ago, did he drop in just to have a sausage and beer or did they talk business?



Don't listen to fans, and don't always think any one of us can be right all of the time, nobody was listening to me when I said Schumacher would come back in 2010, the mercedes rumours were big, but still no one really believed in it until it happened. The same with Schumacher's eventual mercedes success at some point.

The hype and expectation of MS returning sold huge tickets for his ferrari possible return at Spain in 2009, the hype was huge. The winter Mercedes signing was big news, but that is a easy giant ladder to fall from, not everything goes according to plan in life, but the same people who writ off Jenson Button in the past had to watch him get a title, and the same people who writ Mark Webber off may see him get the title this year, and those examples show this sport changes year to year. Even if MS won 1 title with Mercedes after 2-3 years of trying, he'll still be mission complete, he was more closer to perfection in consistency in his career then any other driver, so for him to fall and rise again, that's a matter of waiting. It's a different formula one/cost cutting/no testing era, that preparation you talk about, he's hardly had it, this year has been like one big test session but the team wasn't solving anything, it's not the ideal f1 era for rookie and returning drivers to relearn, especially with restricted budgets.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 05:39

After the race MSC explained on German TV that the F-Duct on the Merc is still not really working well. During qualifying the F-Duct engagend in the corners, in the race it did not. Interestingly Michaels car has this problem much more often than Nico┬┤s car, which was also confirmed by Ross Brawn. The team failed to find a reason for that.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 05:49

The Merc F-Duct for whatever reason, doesn't even look like an F-Duct. Well they can forget their miseries next year when these things are banned.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 06:42

Im very curious why they didnt leave him out a few laps longer, he was consistently pulling out 0.6 a lap on Nico, even with his worn tyres...

Since a lot of races, team prefer Nico to lead the team because he have more points. They did this to Michael in Germany too. Nico then stay out 10 more laps just to came in front of Michael. This time they needed Michael to come behind Nico again. Every time they are close Nico is finishing in front. If they wanted Michael to be 6th yesterday they can arrange it very easily. But, they don't wanted that. Maybe Nico is so fragile they don't want to tell him to let Michael ,like Heidfeld let Koba pass. It is not like they fight for the first place. Just team intention was this. They doesn't wanted Michael to get 2 more points that Nico can get. But, they pay for this shit. Justice was done. They doesn't pit Michael in Singapore with first SC just because he can finish in front of Nico.

Edited by ivand911, 11 October 2010 - 06:58.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 06:48

Being third because everyone else has pitted and he hadn't doesn't mean the team made a stupid pit call to ruin his race as you claimed, it means he was out of sinc and never with any chance of finishing 3rd, it means he was 3rd for one lap before he pitted, as almost everyone else had already pitted and he hadn't.

Read my post 6634 again. Where I said that he could finish 3rd. Just think about Koba strategy then. Michael have very good chance for this too(even better chance). He was with hard tyres, he didn't need pitstop at that stage. He could pit 5-6 laps before race end like Koba and in the points. And team say that they made mistake with his pitstop. They made mistake with the position of other cars. And from the chance to get some points they get zero.

Edited by ivand911, 11 October 2010 - 06:56.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 06:56

Since a lot of races, team prefer Nico to lead the team because he have more points. They did this to Michael in Germany too. Nico then stay out 10 more laps just to came in front of Michael. This time they needed Michael to come behind Nico again. Every time they are close Nico is finishing in front. If they wanted Michael to be 6th yesterday they can arrange it very easily. But, they didn't wanted that. Maybe Nico is so fragile they don't want to tell him to let Michael ,like Heidfeld let Koba pass. It is not like they fight for the first place. Just team intention was this. They didn't want Michael to get 2 more points that Nico can get. But, they pay for this shit. Justice was done. They didn't pit Michael in Singapore with first SC just because he can finish in front of Nico.


If this was true, which it isn't, why did they tell MSC over the radio that he was free to have a go at Nico and 'he won't do anything stupid'?

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 07:04

If this was true, which it isn't, why did they tell MSC over the radio that he was free to have a go at Nico and 'he won't do anything stupid'?

Question is where they wanted him to come out after the pit? He have every chance to come infront of him. Why to overtake on the track, when was easy thing to do in the pit. He needed only 0,5-1 sec to pass him in the pit. He needed 1-2 more laps. There was not real danger, Heidfeld was 4 sec behind, big window if you ask me. Question is did Michael belive them that Nico will not do anything stupid? I didn't believe it. It was not looking this way from outside. And do we really know what this message means?

Edited by ivand911, 11 October 2010 - 07:06.


#6632 ivand911

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 07:19

I don't know what he told us but I remember his fans, you included, telling he would leave no stone unturned and be the best prepared driver for this season in every respect imaginable. Some more optimistic ones were even putting him as a WDC contender. Now it's funny to read all the excuses and the promises about a better showing in 2011/2012. I am curious to find out what was Haug doing in Kimi's house in Switzerland a couple of months ago, did he drop in just to have a sausage and beer or did they talk business?

Kimi jokers, living on rumors. Did you see Haug in Kimi house? Do you know where Haug live. Maybe he visit Michael castle then too? To ride some horses.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 09:03

I hope they kick themselves in the rear for this big mistake. After Michael pit Lewis was 8 sec infront of Nico/Michael. When Nico crash difference was 29 sec to Lewis. I am sure if Michael did pass Nico in the pit , difference to Lewis would be around 15sec. when Lewis start having gearbox problem. I think with around 15 laps to the end Michael have 90% chance to catch Lewis and to take 5th. Or Lewis can damage his gearbox more if he would start to push it. Nico if he would drive with his speed could finish, maybe behind Koba ,but with points for 8th place. Better than nothing. Even Lewis left Button pass. But, Nooo, Nico thinks he is next best thing after the condoms. :rotfl:


In F1 Racing Magazine (September or August 2010 issue), there is an interview with Schumacher and Ecclestone where Schumacher says that team orders have favoured Rosberg this season (although he only mentioned Germany, I'm sure it has happened more since then) presumably to consolidate Rosberg's position ahead of Kubica and get ahead of Massa in the points standings too.

It's a team game. Rosberg knows it. Schumacher knows it. Brawn and Mercedes know it. And the discerning amongst us know it too.

#6634 zeph

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 09:16

:rotfl:

hahaha, if that is true it means that this season Schu gets a taste of his own medicine and feel what his former teammates must have felt.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 09:34

:rotfl:

hahaha, if that is true it means that this season Schu gets a taste of his own medicine and feel what his former teammates must have felt.



Yes, we see Schumacher whinging about it like Rubens and Johnny Herbert, don't we?

If anything, Schumacher is the perfect team player, he was calm, composed and quite dignified in his post-race answers. He could have ranted like other drivers do, but was very relaxed. That to me indicates he knows exactly what is going on which is why he can rubbish and brush off media gossip so easily.

#6636 Massa_f1

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 10:00

brawn has his favorite just like last year, i seem to remember rubens getting all the bad pit stratergies :lol:

lasy year they could win the championship though this year you would think they would want as many points for the team as possible im sure the mercedes board are wondering why they made it so nico could get past schumacher if schumacher was showing much better pace.

we could see it on the live timing and im sure they could on the telemetry



I to am getting suspect of Ross Brawn which is surprising considering he is ment to be MS's best friend. The fact that its Haug always defending Schumacher and now the fact it is also Haug to of come out and apparently said Schumachers car is not the same as Nico's and basically hinting at tampering going on.

Both he and MS did not want to reveal what was wrong with the car in qualy which i find strange.

I mean a first time race strategy novice could of pitted Schumacher better than they did in Japan. Who's call was it anyway was it Shovlins?

Edited by Massa_f1, 11 October 2010 - 10:01.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 10:29

Something to cheer you up. Michael against Barrichello. So easy. Very professional by both.
http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

Edited by ivand911, 11 October 2010 - 10:31.


#6638 Buttoneer

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 10:29

This is not the Rosberg / Schumacher scorecard. I appreciate that the lines can get blurred but posting news stories to kick off discussions about the relative performances of these teammates is clearly the wrong side of that line for this thread.

There is also a post-race thread where you can de-construct the race and decisions taken more generally.

I would also suggest that if you wish to discuss team orders within Mercedes that is an opportunity for a new thread.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 10:42

Yes, we see Schumacher whinging about it like Rubens and Johnny Herbert, don't we?

If anything, Schumacher is the perfect team player, he was calm, composed and quite dignified in his post-race answers. He could have ranted like other drivers do, but was very relaxed. That to me indicates he knows exactly what is going on which is why he can rubbish and brush off media gossip so easily.


Credit to Schumacher's composure, but drivers rarely rant. They tend to be pressed by the media and taken out of context. Barrichello's show of emotion last year was as good as it gets. I personally like to see emotion in drivers. Shame that internet F1 fans can only mange to interpret this as "crying" or "ranting". Anyone who's experienced the adrenalin of motorsport knows how difficult emotions can be immediately after a race.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 11:33

http://www.f1fanatic...-prix-analysis/

I think this may explain why Merc decided the timing of pitstop and why MSC couldn't pass NR even he was faster.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 13:10

It was fantastic to see Michael fast yesterday, he still has the drive, the talent and energy for this game, he has shown this now to the doubters, i think, once again like in the past Michael will show to the non believers that he is still Michael Schumacher, every time in the past when he has been put down, and written off, he comes up with something yesterday you could see something different about him

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 14:48

:rotfl:

hahaha, if that is true it means that this season Schu gets a taste of his own medicine and feel what his former teammates must have felt.



BS

Rubens said after he came from the Ferrari that he got the same technic than Schumi.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 14:50

A good drive from Michael, with some of the old verve showing through for once. This is what we want, even those of us who don't particularly like the geezer! More of it please.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 15:00

If this was true, which it isn't, why did they tell MSC over the radio that he was free to have a go at Nico and 'he won't do anything stupid'?


Probably based on this years form they didn't expect MS to be faster than Rosberg or maybe Rosberg had some issues.


#6645 aditya-now

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 15:26

Don't listen to fans, and don't always think any one of us can be right all of the time...


Especially don't listen to Sean Valen! ;)

Now Sean, I see you posting quite frequently here since Suzuka - one swallow doesn't make a summer. The verdict is still out on Michael, even if he gave us some hope for him in Suzuka.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 15:33

:rotfl:

hahaha, if that is true it means that this season Schu gets a taste of his own medicine and feel what his former teammates must have felt.


What goes around comes around...

It could become even more pronounced next year if and when Mercedes GP produce a better car and Rosberg will be the team's #1 hope for the WDC - it will be interesting to see Michael again as the "World's best #2 driver" after 1999.

Also it will be great to read the raving reviews here about how good Michael is in driving for Nico! Unfortunately for Michael, most tracks on the calendar have slow corners and not long and fast bends like in Suzuka.

What still is strange to me is how limited Michael has become nowadays, that he cannot adapt, whereas in the early days he was renowned for it. Can it be that instead of his experience being surely to his advantage (that's what I would have thought at least) it is indeed impossible for him to change his driving style?

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 15:35

What still is strange to me is how limited Michael has become nowadays, that he cannot adapt, whereas in the early days he was renowned for it. Can it be that instead of his experience being surely to his advantage (that's what I would have thought at least) it is indeed impossible for him to change his driving style?


In the old days he spent weeks and months pounding that Ferrari around Fiorano until it suited him. And was able to dictate Goodyear and Bridgestone changes as well.
Now you have to live with the car as designed with minimal changes

Edited by SchumiBoy, 11 October 2010 - 15:35.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 15:37

Especially don't listen to Sean Valen! ;)

Now Sean, I see you posting quite frequently here since Suzuka - one swallow doesn't make a summer. The verdict is still out on Michael, even if he gave us some hope for him in Suzuka.


This is a ridiculous comment, it's like saying the verdict is still out on Lance Armstrong. If a brilliant performance at the most technical "drivers" track on the schedule doesn't do it for you, nothing will.

You're hating.

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#6649 aditya-now

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 15:45

This is a ridiculous comment, it's like saying the verdict is still out on Lance Armstrong. If a brilliant performance at the most technical "drivers" track on the schedule doesn't do it for you, nothing will.

You're hating.

:down:


I don't speak of Michael's historical record, but of his second career. On it the verdict is still out, or do you already have the answer on how it will end? As you make the comparison with Armstrong (and this is a comparison that is being frequently made) I would be careful, it may yet become public that Lance achieved all this victories under performance enhancing drugs...

The "hate" word is not in any way the basis for a civilized discussion, I think it is a comfortable yet immature way for some on an internet BB, to discredit the other party if they are not seeing eye to eye with them. Imagine that discussion culture when you sit together with someone in real life over a table....you would never do it.

In the final analysis the "hate" word says more about those who use it than about those who are accused of it.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 15:59

Posts deleted. Not a Kimi thread.