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#6651 aditya-now

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 16:38

http://www.spiegel.d...,722384,00.html

Schumacher is attacking Mercedes

He could have taken Hamilton, he says, also he cannot understand how things always go wrong on his car.

Quite strong words for someone who just had one decent showing now to attack his team full scale. Something seems to have been building up.
I wonder what Michael would say if his car had lost a wheel twice already this year....

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#6652 Graybearded

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 16:38

I don't speak of Michael's historical record, but of his second career. On it the verdict is still out, or do you already have the answer on how it will end? As you make the comparison with Armstrong (and this is a comparison that is being frequently made) I would be careful, it may yet become public that Lance achieved all this victories under performance enhancing drugs...

The "hate" word is not in any way the basis for a civilized discussion, I think it is a comfortable yet immature way for some on an internet BB, to discredit the other party if they are not seeing eye to eye with them. Imagine that discussion culture when you sit together with someone in real life over a table....you would never do it.

In the final analysis the "hate" word says more about those who use it than about those who are accused of it.



Psycho babble.

Let's speak plainly.

3 year layoff, serious neck injury, and no testing - and a car balance he hates...yes there were some dark days for him in the last few months but frankly and plainly M. Schumacher just shut people like you up this weekend...or at least he should have.

I am not particularly that much of a fan, he's done some things not worthy of a champion on the track, but I've never questioned his work ethic or motivation and while he may not be a fiery Brazilian or Colombian with loads of natural talent oozing out his pores he is yet again proving that even at 41 there is no one on the track mentally tougher then M. Schumacher - in any discipline.

He doesn't have to do a single thing more for me, I don't expect him to win a WDC, I don't even expect him to win a race, not in the car he has at the moment, but if you look at what he is doing objectively, it's impressive. He still has that fire and can still harass the best of them. That's the reality and you haters can continue to try to talk yourself out of it - I'm in my forties myself and I know how hard it must be to be competitive with kids in thier twenties, especially in a sport where young reflexes and young fitness is such an advantage.

It speaks volumes about anyone that is taking this opportunity to be negative about him. It's hating. End of story.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 16:42

Something seems to have been building up.
I wonder what Michael would say if his car had lost a wheel twice already this year....


Well, he is favoured by Merc : he only once lost his wheel.

I think what happened in Japan was hard to swallow for Michael : malfunctioning F-duct, nonsensical pit-strategy, the call to be gentle in the fight with NR, NR's useless defence.

I think he had no problem playing second fiddle when it made sense. But given the different strategies and difference in speed he should have been let through.

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 October 2010 - 16:44.


#6654 aditya-now

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 16:48

Well, he is favoured by Merc : he only once lost his wheel.


Hungary:

Ret 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 15 Loose wheel 6

Japan:

17 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 47 Accident 6


I cannot imagine the noise Michael would make if the same thing happened to him twice in a season. So his accusation that "things happen only on my car" is factually wrong. A loose wheel or to even lose the wheel is much worse than a malfunctioning F-duct.

I think that MS now, on the strength of his Suzuka result, tries to reassert himself within the team, after all, the battle for the supremacy within the team is also something he has to win.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 16:51

Hungary:

Ret 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 15 Loose wheel 6

Japan:

17 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 47 Accident 6


I cannot imagine the noise Michael would make if the same thing happened to him twice in a season. So his accusation that "things happen only on my car" is factually wrong. A loose wheel or to even lose the wheel is much worse than a malfunctioning F-duct.

I think that MS now, on the strength of his Suzuka result, tries to reassert himself within the team, after all, the battle for the supremacy within the team is also something he has to win.


I was talking about Schumi being "favoured" by Merc because he only lost one wheel in the season. You asked about Michaels reaction about losing wheels. :rotfl: Chill.

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 October 2010 - 16:51.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 16:57

Hungary:

Ret 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 15 Loose wheel 6

Japan:

17 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 47 Accident 6


I cannot imagine the noise Michael would make if the same thing happened to him twice in a season. So his accusation that "things happen only on my car" is factually wrong. A loose wheel or to even lose the wheel is much worse than a malfunctioning F-duct.

I think that MS now, on the strength of his Suzuka result, tries to reassert himself within the team, after all, the battle for the supremacy within the team is also something he has to win.

In the source you give they clearly say:left rear suspension broke. This is not loosing wheel. He broke/crack the suspension when he did excursion off track trying to overtake Torro Rosso. And this Schumi criticising Mercedes is only journalist interpretation. This interview is in every internet F1 site.

Edited by ivand911, 11 October 2010 - 17:00.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 16:59

He broke the suspension when he did excursion off track trying to overtake Torro Rosso.



Give a source or shut up with your bashing.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 17:13

Give a source or shut up with your bashing.

Source about what? I see how he left the track on TV. I am not sure that team still know the reason for suspension failure. You know it? This is forum I give my view about it. If you know or have view please share? If you have facts that show me wrong I would accept my mistake. Until then don't tell ppl to shut up. And who am I bashing? It is your usual role.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 17:18

M Schumacher's mini "outburst" comes not as a surprise. No doubt, his ego has taken a serious batterning this season. Having claimed his goal was to be WDC in pre-season only to be tonked by your teammate to the extent he has will obviously lead to him needing to justify his performances to the public. He obviously feels his Suzuka performances has finally given him license to defend himself, a bit like Nige at the 1990 British GP. Its good he has got some spirit back apparently. Up until now being beaten qualifying after qualifying race after race was becoming a bit embarrassing even for his detractors. I feel though he should have saved his "outburst" until the end of the season because though his Suzuka performance was his best this season, Rosberg still had had him by 4 tenths in qual and was on a different out of sync strategy with M Schumacher for the race. Of course that fact dulls the whole Suzuka performance down a bit for M Schumacher so I can understand why it is being brushed under the carpet.

Still, its good that there is some fire back in him, even if its just mentally and not really on-track fire yet. Suzuka was his best race yet, on the surface of things.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 17:23

Psycho babble.

Let's speak plainly.

3 year layoff, serious neck injury, and no testing - and a car balance he hates...yes there were some dark days for him in the last few months but frankly and plainly M. Schumacher just shut people like you up this weekend...or at least he should have.

I am not particularly that much of a fan, he's done some things not worthy of a champion on the track, but I've never questioned his work ethic or motivation and while he may not be a fiery Brazilian or Colombian with loads of natural talent oozing out his pores he is yet again proving that even at 41 there is no one on the track mentally tougher then M. Schumacher - in any discipline.

He doesn't have to do a single thing more for me, I don't expect him to win a WDC, I don't even expect him to win a race, not in the car he has at the moment, but if you look at what he is doing objectively, it's impressive. He still has that fire and can still harass the best of them. That's the reality and you haters can continue to try to talk yourself out of it - I'm in my forties myself and I know how hard it must be to be competitive with kids in thier twenties, especially in a sport where young reflexes and young fitness is such an advantage.

It speaks volumes about anyone that is taking this opportunity to be negative about him. It's hating. End of story.



His neck injury was not that serious according to the doctors who x-rayed him after his accident.
Michael is an insecure character, petulant and cracks under pressure too easily.
As for people hating him. It was never going to do him any favours, causing a serious accident the same year 2 drivers died in accidents. Against the team mate who attended the funeral. Bad taste is putting it lightly.
I agree with you on his work ethic and motivation, but he still hasn't done a Mansell and impressed in his 40s.
As for "harrassing the best of them" He never got the better of Alonso 5 and 6 years ago and is unlikely ever to, and he certainly wont get the better of Hamilton. He retired after his fathers advice to do so when someone better came along, which makes his comeback all the stranger.



#6661 Graybearded

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 17:38

His neck injury was not that serious according to the doctors who x-rayed him after his accident.
Michael is an insecure character, petulant and cracks under pressure too easily.
As for people hating him. It was never going to do him any favours, causing a serious accident the same year 2 drivers died in accidents. Against the team mate who attended the funeral. Bad taste is putting it lightly.
I agree with you on his work ethic and motivation, but he still hasn't done a Mansell and impressed in his 40s.
As for "harrassing the best of them" He never got the better of Alonso 5 and 6 years ago and is unlikely ever to, and he certainly wont get the better of Hamilton. He retired after his fathers advice to do so when someone better came along, which makes his comeback all the stranger.



yes, this is the 7 times world champion, you have him exact.

truly and utterly hopelessly pathetic...enjoy your "thread"...

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 17:42

His neck injury was not that serious according to the doctors who x-rayed him after his accident.


It's like doctors look at x-ray photos and know how neck feels when gets 4 Gees.

Edited by MCh000, 11 October 2010 - 17:43.


#6663 aditya-now

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 19:39

Source about what? I see how he left the track on TV. I am not sure that team still know the reason for suspension failure. You know it? This is forum I give my view about it. If you know or have view please share?


Classic Ivan - the team does not know it, but Ivan saw it on TV! :lol:


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 19:52

His neck injury was not that serious according to the doctors who x-rayed him after his accident.
Michael is an insecure character, petulant and cracks under pressure too easily.
As for people hating him. It was never going to do him any favours, causing a serious accident the same year 2 drivers died in accidents. Against the team mate who attended the funeral. Bad taste is putting it lightly.
I agree with you on his work ethic and motivation, but he still hasn't done a Mansell and impressed in his 40s.
As for "harrassing the best of them" He never got the better of Alonso 5 and 6 years ago and is unlikely ever to, and he certainly wont get the better of Hamilton. He retired after his fathers advice to do so when someone better came along, which makes his comeback all the stranger.



Still hasent done a Mansell in his 40's thats cause he is not driving the red bull witch would be the equivelent of the Williams Mansell was driving. Put him in a Red Bull and i bet he will win.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 19:53

Still hasent done a Mansell in his 40's thats cause he is not driving the red bull witch would be the equivelent of the Williams Mansell was driving. Put him in a Red Bull and i bet he will win.

Exactly :up:

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 19:57

Classic Ivan - the team does not know it, but Ivan saw it on TV! :lol:

I saw Nico at the end of the 6th lap when trying to overtake Buemi to go out of the track. You can see it here in the small screen. Maybe then he did something to his suspension? Maybe you missed it? I said I saw something and this is fact , it happen really? What is so funny?

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 20:00

I saw Nico at the end of the 6th lap when trying to overtake Buemi to go out of the track. You can see it here in the small screen. Maybe then he did something to his suspension? Maybe you missed it?


Even the Mercedes GP team has missed it, it seems. You should apply to work for them, Ivan!


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 20:10

Even the Mercedes GP team has missed it, it seems. You should apply to work for them, Ivan!

I still wait to read official explanation if they give such. I see something that can help for this failure. I don't say that is for sure. It is forum, everyone can give his opinion. Until now I didn't see other opinions about that.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 20:35

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 21:22

In the old days he spent weeks and months pounding that Ferrari around Fiorano until it suited him. And was able to dictate Goodyear and Bridgestone changes as well.
Now you have to live with the car as designed with minimal changes



exactly - I'm surprised A-N would have even had to have that explained to him... pretty basic stuff

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 21:36

Still hasent done a Mansell in his 40's thats cause he is not driving the red bull witch would be the equivelent of the Williams Mansell was driving. Put him in a Red Bull and i bet he will win.


Not if his teammate is Rosberg it seems. ;-)





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Posted 11 October 2010 - 21:58

lol playboy has yet to win a single race. And I could bet if next year Merc is to win a race. It will be Michael not that blondie.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:09

lol playboy has yet to win a single race. And I could bet if next year Merc is to win a race. It will be Michael not that blondie.



There is a bigger chance that Schumacher being replaced with Heidfeld next year. Afaik you are the one who told us Michael will be the first with a podium for Mercedes, you have your answer already. Luckily Michael does have only "blondie" as a teammate and not Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel, would be embarrassing for your slow and old hero.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:11

lol playboy has yet to win a single race. And I could bet if next year Merc is to win a race. It will be Michael not that blondie.


He hasn't won a race. That is correct, the history books do not lie. However, the same history books will also tell you when given the same car, Rosberg has battered M Schumacher. ;-)


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:14

Probably based on this years form they didn't expect MS to be faster than Rosberg or maybe Rosberg had some issues....


....like a wheel that would fall off later in the race.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:18

He hasn't won a race. That is correct, the history books do not lie. However, the same history books will also tell you when given the same car, Rosberg has battered M Schumacher. ;-)


Do the history books also have room for adding that Schumacher hadn't raced in Formula 1 for a full 3 years prior to that, returning to racing without barely any testing and running in a sport that has changed dramatically since he was last present? I'm sure in your edition of the history books, there won't be room for that.

Yaaah.

Edited by RedBaron, 11 October 2010 - 22:18.


#6677 aditya-now

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:19

exactly - I'm surprised A-N would have even had to have that explained to him... pretty basic stuff


Yes, it´s true Raelene, that´s pretty basic that Michael´s dominance in his first career was always a factor of him having unlimited testing opportunities like no other pilot and of tyres tailor made for him by Goodyear and then Bridgestone.

Nice that you start seeing that as pretty basic, that´s what we have been talking about on this thread for quite a while. Unlike you, some other Schumi fans still don´t get that.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:21

Luckily Michael does have only "blondie" as a teammate and not Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel, would be embarrassing for your slow and old hero.


Oi oi oi, that would be indeed embarassing. Michael knew why he went to Mercedes GP and left Ferrari. :lol:

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:23

Yes, it´s true Raelene, that´s pretty basic that Michael´s dominance in his first career was always a factor of him having unlimited testing opportunities like no other pilot and of tyres tailor made for him by Goodyear and then Bridgestone.

Nice that you start seeing that as pretty basic, that´s what we have been talking about on this thread for quite a while. Unlike you, some other Schumi fans still don´t get that.


the tailor made tyres is a myth

and every other driver could test and test - why could they not get the results MS did

I just find it hilariaous that you bought up the "can't drive around problems like his fans said he could"...without mentioning the fact that times have certainly changed in terms of testing....

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:27

Yes, it´s true Raelene, that´s pretty basic that Michael´s dominance in his first career was always a factor of him having unlimited testing opportunities like no other pilot and of tyres tailor made for him by Goodyear and then Bridgestone.

You know whats just priceless? How he was (according to his detractors) able to take advantage of those unlimited testing opportunities to pound out millions of miles at fiorano in order to destroy his teammates, while at the EXACT same time (according to the same detractors) he was able to destroy his teammates because they were forced to pound out millions of miles at fiorano to develop the car for him while he lay on a beach

And yes, those two criticisms have come from the same people at different times.. Rubens and Eddie were both slave testers, and also denied the chance to test.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:35

Has anyone summed up all factors he has to cope with upon his return?

I am not sure if the list is complete, but some issues are challenge (its not in any particular order):

- pause in racing
- age
- new regulations (sporting and technical) / new aerodynamics
- new team - get to know you factor
- technical team that was never really proven good but for one lucky DD
- team in internal chaos (disarray?) after reduction in manpower resources (from 1000 to 400 or thereabout)
- two new drivers
- new owners / second year in a row
- very little, if any pre-season testing
- no testing between races
- new tires
- car characteristics in sharp contrast with his old Ferrari
- new or revised tracks
- pompous attitute of some drivers, such as "I don't slow down for Schumacher", as one would be hero declared to whole world (behaviour on the track just follows)
- the same race control (hostile?) group

... what did I forget; I am sure there is more. These aren't excuses, he would be first one to object to that, but still, light or heavy, these factors are there.


On pro side - he is relaxed, nothing to prove, wants to win, but he is not DESPERATE like certain Brasilian who gets hysterical every chance he gets.

Edited by Sakae, 11 October 2010 - 22:42.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:38

You know whats just priceless? How he was (according to his detractors) able to take advantage of those unlimited testing opportunities to pound out millions of miles at fiorano in order to destroy his teammates, while at the EXACT same time (according to the same detractors) he was able to destroy his teammates because they were forced to pound out millions of miles at fiorano to develop the car for him while he lay on a beach

And yes, those two criticisms have come from the same people at different times.. Rubens and Eddie were both slave testers, and also denied the chance to test.

MS usually clocked over 10,000 km of pre-season testing, if memory serves me right, which was very close to what others did. Besides, afer testing when Rubens was sleeping, Michael worked whole night on the car with his mechanics. (Being car mechanic himself by trade).

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:58

You know whats just priceless? How he was (according to his detractors) able to take advantage of those unlimited testing opportunities to pound out millions of miles at fiorano in order to destroy his teammates, while at the EXACT same time (according to the same detractors) he was able to destroy his teammates because they were forced to pound out millions of miles at fiorano to develop the car for him while he lay on a beach

And yes, those two criticisms have come from the same people at different times.. Rubens and Eddie were both slave testers, and also denied the chance to test.


I think you got it wrong. Schumacher had Badoer as his personal tester for years. You and Raelene better check your sources...

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 00:22

I think you got it wrong. Schumacher had Badoer as his personal tester for years. You and Raelene better check your sources...


lol thats funny. Firstly Michael himself did countless thousands of laps of testing.. and secondly, believe me he has been criticised for ALL of these contrary things (I had forgotten that apparently Badoer doing his job is Michael gaining an unfair advantage, thanks for the reminder) , often by the same people.

Of course only someone thinking illogically would think that Ferrari using ALL their drivers for an extensive test program is not for the teams benefit but just for one driver..

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 00:29

Has anyone summed up all factors he has to cope with upon his return?

I am not sure if the list is complete, but some issues are challenge (its not in any particular order):

- pause in racing
- age
- new regulations (sporting and technical) / new aerodynamics
- new team - get to know you factor
- technical team that was never really proven good but for one lucky DD
- team in internal chaos (disarray?) after reduction in manpower resources (from 1000 to 400 or thereabout)
- two new drivers
- new owners / second year in a row
- very little, if any pre-season testing
- no testing between races
- new tires
- car characteristics in sharp contrast with his old Ferrari
- new or revised tracks
- pompous attitute of some drivers, such as "I don't slow down for Schumacher", as one would be hero declared to whole world (behaviour on the track just follows)
- the same race control (hostile?) group

... what did I forget; I am sure there is more.


Thanks for enumerating those mitigating factors for Michael´s poor performances, Sakae, I am sure no other driver on the grid has to face such hostile and diverse challenges like Michael Schumacher. He is indeed a titan for facing up to them. :up:


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Posted 12 October 2010 - 00:31

lol thats funny. Firstly Michael himself did countless thousands of laps of testing.. and secondly, believe me he has been criticised for ALL of these contrary things (I had forgotten that apparently Badoer doing his job is Michael gaining an unfair advantage, thanks for the reminder) , often by the same people.

Of course only someone thinking illogically would think that Ferrari using ALL their drivers for an extensive test program is not for the teams benefit but just for one driver..


Apparently you never witnessed Austria 2001, Austria 2002 and many other occasions  ;) - Ferrari was never about one driver alone, but, like McLaren, about giving both drivers equal opportunities.


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Posted 12 October 2010 - 01:28

I think you got it wrong. Schumacher had Badoer as his personal tester for years. You and Raelene better check your sources...



ROFLMAO - make up your mind......

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 01:41

It's logical to assume that all of the big budget teams would have had massive amounts of testing mileage, does anyone have total testing mileage stats for 2006 or previous? Would be interesting to actually compare.

As for the whole bespoke tyre thing, Bridgestone entered the close technical collaboration with Ferrari in 2002, result was pretty clear, didn't quite work in 03/05. The top Michelin runners were also undoubtedly running custom designed tyres, it was a tyre war afterall.

Posters seem to be making these two points against Schumacher quite often these days, bespoke tyres, unlimited over-testing, like it was some kind of unfair advantage, all of the contenders were doing the same thing imo, and if not, why not?

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 01:50

Posters seem to be making these two points against Schumacher quite often these days, bespoke tyres, unlimited over-testing, like it was some kind of unfair advantage, all of the contenders were doing the same thing imo, and if not, why not?


Well, point is, Schumacher himself was complaining about limited testing limiting him, so there must be something to it.


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Posted 12 October 2010 - 02:01

Didn't he say it was limiting development of the Mercedes?

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 02:04

Well, point is, Schumacher himself was complaining about limited testing limiting him, so there must be something to it.

Isolated as they are, early in the season there were heard several voices that testing (mainly between races) should be permitted. Mine is long held view that I should see racing, not testing on Sunday. It's not perhaps such unreasonable request.

Edited by Sakae, 12 October 2010 - 02:05.


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Posted 12 October 2010 - 02:13

I've got a feeling that it wont be long before the simulators are close enough to replicate real testing 100% I could be totally wrong though.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 02:24

Has anyone summed up all factors he has to cope with upon his return?

I am not sure if the list is complete, but some issues are challenge (its not in any particular order):

- pause in racing
- age
- new regulations (sporting and technical) / new aerodynamics
- new team - get to know you factor
- technical team that was never really proven good but for one lucky DD
- team in internal chaos (disarray?) after reduction in manpower resources (from 1000 to 400 or thereabout)
- two new drivers
- new owners / second year in a row
- very little, if any pre-season testing
- no testing between races
- new tires
- car characteristics in sharp contrast with his old Ferrari
- new or revised tracks
- pompous attitute of some drivers, such as "I don't slow down for Schumacher", as one would be hero declared to whole world (behaviour on the track just follows)
- the same race control (hostile?) group

... what did I forget; I am sure there is more. These aren't excuses, he would be first one to object to that, but still, light or heavy, these factors are there.


On pro side - he is relaxed, nothing to prove, wants to win, but he is not DESPERATE like certain Brasilian who gets hysterical every chance he gets.

Senna would ignore your whole shopping list of excuses.

#6694 baddog

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 03:04

I've got a feeling that it wont be long before the simulators are close enough to replicate real testing 100% I could be totally wrong though.

Nah decades away from that if ever. I mean they can do a lot, and its amazing tech, but it never really captures what actually happens out there. Its just too damned complex.

Aditya, I think you will find the concern was that for a driver who has been 'out of the saddle' for several years, in a team struggling with the consistency of their car anyway, lack of testing could be a real problem. And so we see it does seem to be.

#6695 Raelene

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 03:25

Senna would ignore your whole shopping list of excuses.


yeah, cause he would just go to the best team..

#6696 slaveceru

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 04:13

Oi oi oi, that would be indeed embarassing. Michael knew why he went to Mercedes GP and left Ferrari. :lol:

:down:
Tell us why Schumacher went to Mercedes o all knowing one and not to the Ferrari team.

Edited by slaveceru, 12 October 2010 - 04:20.


#6697 Zoe

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 06:05

Classic Ivan - the team does not know it, but Ivan saw it on TV! :lol:


Well isn't that so typical of all the armchair experts here in the forum; that everyone knows everything?

We know the doctors diagnosis of his neck injury last year
We know Schumachers (and all his team mates) past and present contracts
We know what Schumacher was thinking during every little episode in all the races
We know what Schumacher was thinking when he joined Mercedes GP
and so on and so forth

If we'd all stick to the pure and simple facts, this thread would not be as it is, and many people would actually find time to get a real life :wave:

otoh I would miss a lot of fun the odd week when I put my nose into here from time to time :)

Zoe


#6698 sir jackie walker

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 06:23

and every other driver could test and test - why could they not get the results MS did


And yet we saw no one else fly to Fiorano (?) after Monaco Thursday practice sessions.

When people talk about 'Ferrari dream team' they always mention Schumacher, Todt, Brawn, Byrne. But never one Phillip Morris.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 06:35

lol thats funny. Firstly Michael himself did countless thousands of laps of testing.. and secondly, believe me he has been criticised for ALL of these contrary things (I had forgotten that apparently Badoer doing his job is Michael gaining an unfair advantage, thanks for the reminder) , often by the same people.

Of course only someone thinking illogically would think that Ferrari using ALL their drivers for an extensive test program is not for the teams benefit but just for one driver..


You only have to read Johnny Herbert's comments on the matter where they started out equal in the team but as Schumacher devoted himself to testing even driving into the night and then spending time with the engineers and mechanics while Herbert wanted a normal time schedule/life, the team slowly turned to prefering and helping Scumacher - gee I'm surprised....and so was Herbert apparently :lol:

Also Badoer was a part of the test team, the race team had to actually go racing occasionally while the test team continued testing.

Edited by cheapracer, 12 October 2010 - 06:45.


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#6700 cheapracer

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 06:44

When people talk about 'Ferrari dream team' they always mention Schumacher, Todt, Brawn, Byrne. But never one Phillip Morris.


What they had sponsorship?? WOW what a revelation, who would have thought it .....