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#7051 7timesbetterthantherest

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 17:11

ah okay - thanx for responces guys !

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#7052 arknor

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 17:23

ah okay - thanx for responces guys !

its so the famous people who know nothing about the sport can call him MSC :rotfl:

just kidding but once at monaco frank brunk was there and he refered to him as shoe maker :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#7053 Number62

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 17:26

MS achieve a lot, this is why some fans behave like you said. But, other driver fans behave this way too. And this drivers are far from Michael success. But, more of Michael fans are happy that at 41 he is here with us. Every good result is just bonus. Did I ever believe that I will support team called MGP? No. And Michael driving for it? No. Are we happy about that? You bet. I know worst fans, for one WRC/F1 driver. They are really annoying. Running in every thread , spreading gossips. Starting stupid polls.

About Nico I really didn't see him like team player at any moment. Until he fight for 6th-7th place in WDC I don't think Michael will finish in the race ahead of him. Hope I am wrong. If you are team player ,you will not hold your team mate behind you, when he is 1,5 sec faster. And this when you fight for 6th(which is not win). But, we have to accept that. In Suzuka Lewis and Heidfeld show what is team player.


Ivan, I admire your boundless optimism and love for MSC but you need to try and look at what you write with a dispassionate eye and gather a bit of perspective.

MSC has had a dreadful year, by anyones standards let alone his. You claim to be happy just that he is there and driving and that's OK. So he doesn't really need to overtake Nico for you to continue to be happy and that's fine for you.

However if you downplay Nico's achievents or his attitude within the team you give your real feelings away and expose your hero to ridicule by comparison. Also to claim NR should have moved over for MSC is barmy, he shouldn't. His situation was very different to LH and NH and he was well within normal racing speeds. He needs to be ruthless if he's to be champion material (just like MSC was) and he's shown that he can be this year. There was no sporting or commercial logic to be letting MSC past at that point.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 17:26

Yes , however Ralf is not in F1 currently and has been out of the sport for a couple of years now ..
So why still do it if he's the ONLY Schumacher present ?? It does'nt make sence .. :confused:


Yes it does,
changing the tag of a driver would cause confusion.

IIRC the tags appeared whilst both Sch's were driving, and they wanted them to have similar tags, so MSC and RSC were logical choises.
If Michael had already had tag SCH, they could just have named Ralf RSC and Michael would have still been SCH.

#7055 ivand911

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 18:26

Ivan, I admire your boundless optimism and love for MSC but you need to try and look at what you write with a dispassionate eye and gather a bit of perspective.

MSC has had a dreadful year, by anyones standards let alone his. You claim to be happy just that he is there and driving and that's OK. So he doesn't really need to overtake Nico for you to continue to be happy and that's fine for you.

However if you downplay Nico's achievents or his attitude within the team you give your real feelings away and expose your hero to ridicule by comparison. Also to claim NR should have moved over for MSC is barmy, he shouldn't. His situation was very different to LH and NH and he was well within normal racing speeds. He needs to be ruthless if he's to be champion material (just like MSC was) and he's shown that he can be this year. There was no sporting or commercial logic to be letting MSC past at that point.

You think that Michael and Nico really compete each other on the track. I doubt that. How Nico get infront of Michael in Suzuka, how he did it in Germany too? Because team wanted him there. Why they didn't put Michael in the pit with first SC in Singapore(with Webber)? Because this why he can ruin Nico strategy. Spa, Nico pass Michael, after Michael passing him because Nico did mistake. I don't think that for Michael 6th or 7th place play any role. He can only get 9th in WDC , where Nico fight for 6th now. I really don't know why this mean so much for the team? Just to say we beat one Ferrari and Kubica? But this is how is the situation right now. And for dreadful year Michael is not only responsible. But I will not get here into details , if you were interested you will go little back and read for yourself. It was discussed to much. LH and NH were well within racing speed when they let their team-mates pass(because nobody else pass them). Michael will not overtake Nico because team don't want this from him, they prefer Nico in front(more points for Nico in WDC). Simple. If Michael accept this to help the team, who am I and you to complain. My optimism is Michael to finish his 3 year contract. Simple again.
Your quote in other thread:"LH probably could have gone faster though. He was managing the threat from behind whilst being gentle on the gearbox."

Edited by ivand911, 22 October 2010 - 18:43.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 18:58

The illegal fuel rigs meant starting lighter, easier in breaks and tyres, quicker pitstops, more strategy options - a rotten season in more ways then one.


This would be true if the fuel rig actually led to a significantly faster fuel flow. There were many accusations for that, but was there a proof?

Here is what the official investigation report has to say about the issue:

PRESS RELEASE FROM THE FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE DE L'AUTOMOBILE (FIA)

Following a detailed investigation into the fire involving car No. 6 during a pit stop at the German Grand Prix, the refueling equipment manufacturer, Intertechnique, has reported to the FlA as follows:

1. The fuel spillage was caused by a valve failing to close properly,

2. The valve was slow to close due to the presence of a foreign body,

3. The foreign body is believed to have reached the valve because a filter designed to eliminate this risk had been deliberately removed.

A report has been submitted by the FIA Observer, Mr R. Causo, under Article 152 of the International Sporting Code and Benetton Formula Ltd. has been summoned to appear before the World Motor Sport Council on 19 October, 1994 to answer a charge that they are in breach of Article 6.5.1 of the FlA Formula One Technical Regulations.

Paris, 10 August 1994


Do we have an official report looking at the fuel flow rates somewhere? It would be interesting to see.

Zoe



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Posted 22 October 2010 - 19:20

You think that Michael and Nico really compete each other on the track. I doubt that. How Nico get infront of Michael in Suzuka, how he did it in Germany too? Because team wanted him there. Why they didn't put Michael in the pit with first SC in Singapore(with Webber)? Because this why he can ruin Nico strategy. Spa, Nico pass Michael, after Michael passing him because Nico did mistake. I don't think that for Michael 6th or 7th place play any role. He can only get 9th in WDC , where Nico fight for 6th now. I really don't know why this mean so much for the team? Just to say we beat one Ferrari and Kubica? But this is how is the situation right now. And for dreadful year Michael is not only responsible. But I will not get here into details , if you were interested you will go little back and read for yourself. It was discussed to much. LH and NH were well within racing speed when they let their team-mates pass(because nobody else pass them). Michael will not overtake Nico because team don't want this from him, they prefer Nico in front(more points for Nico in WDC). Simple. If Michael accept this to help the team, who am I and you to complain. My optimism is Michael to finish his 3 year contract. Simple again.
Your quote in other thread:"LH probably could have gone faster though. He was managing the threat from behind whilst being gentle on the gearbox."

You see Ivan, people are seeing this sort of reasoning as just another extension of the excuses about Michael's below ordinary performances. There weren't many of us who didn't believe after the first GP that MSC would close the gap and probably gain the upper hand. Expectations by his fans was initially "within 4 races" then "by mid-season". With the season nearing it's close there is no clear trend of MSC closing the gap, Suzuka notwithstanding. If Michael does it at Korea then maybe a late trend is emerging but your cries about "team orders" have two flaws;

1. Rosberg's 6th or 7th position in the WDC is neither here nor there to M-B F1 (or probably Nico), even the WCC is not something they are particularly concerned about now. 2011 is their focus.

2. Team orders was customary for Michael at Ferrari even when he had a near impregnable points lead. If Nico were benefiting from team orders which I have my doubts about, he has earned his pecking order by his domination, yes DOMINATION.

You may be quite happy to see MSC simply in F1 and making up the numbers but many including Brawn won't be that complacent. Being a commercial ambassador is not enough, maybe his input into 2011 car will be a boost, in which case Nico will probably be the major beneficiary of this. The more you and others deride Nico the less credible MSC's performances look. The only way Michael's results have any credibility in 2010 is if Nico is doing a stellar job.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 19:39

You see Ivan, people are seeing this sort of reasoning as just another extension of the excuses about Michael's below ordinary performances. There weren't many of us who didn't believe after the first GP that MSC would close the gap and probably gain the upper hand. Expectations by his fans was initially "within 4 races" then "by mid-season". With the season nearing it's close there is no clear trend of MSC closing the gap, Suzuka notwithstanding. If Michael does it at Korea then maybe a late trend is emerging but your cries about "team orders" have two flaws;

1. Rosberg's 6th or 7th position in the WDC is neither here nor there to M-B F1 (or probably Nico), even the WCC is not something they are particularly concerned about now. 2011 is their focus.

2. Team orders was customary for Michael at Ferrari even when he had a near impregnable points lead. If Nico were benefiting from team orders which I have my doubts about, he has earned his pecking order by his domination, yes DOMINATION.

You may be quite happy to see MSC simply in F1 and making up the numbers but many including Brawn won't be that complacent. Being a commercial ambassador is not enough, maybe his input into 2011 car will be a boost, in which case Nico will probably be the major beneficiary of this. The more you and others deride Nico the less credible MSC's performances look. The only way Michael's results have any credibility in 2010 is if Nico is doing a stellar job.

You think they don't care about place in WDC? Why you think that, I never read that they don't care. About domination, I know one guy that dominated 10-11 years. With his domination Nico will not get anywhere. What is domination for you to finish 6th,7th or 8th and to beat your team-mate in 9th. Great result if you ask me. First , you say team don't care about WDC result, after this you say Brawn will be not happy with making the numbers only. Make up your mind. Lets not give MS advices, can we? He can do in F1 everything he want. And he still have place in F1 even at 41-42. Doubt that about Nico.


#7059 ivand911

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 05:45

Q3 nice. Now one odd starting place for Michael please.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:10

Q3 nice. Now one odd starting place for Michael please.



Very nice, only 4 tenths down to Nico, well done. Luckily he was half a tenth faster to Barrichello.

Edited by rog, 23 October 2010 - 06:11.


#7061 ivand911

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:17

For Nico sake I hope he start good tomorrow or three places between them will not save him.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:23

BBC just showed how Michael blocked Rubens in Q2 for some 20 (!!!) seconds, that was very weak :down:.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:26

BBC just showed how Michael blocked Rubens in Q2 for some 20 (!!!) seconds, that was very weak :down:.


And Rubens is on the BBC making it personal as always... despite claiming he doesn't want to. Bringing up Hungary and *other* moments in history. There's absolutely no need for that, Schumacher did block Rubens but there is no way he planned to be there to block him so making it so personal and dragging up events in history is just classic cry baby Barrichello.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:27

BBC just showed how Michael blocked Rubens in Q2 for some 20 (!!!) seconds, that was very weak :down:.

I guess no one was in fast lap? So no problem, but I didn't see the incident?


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:27

BBC just showed how Michael blocked Rubens in Q2 for some 20 (!!!) seconds, that was very weak :down:.



Bye bye grid slot. Another disaster. MS says team dident tell him. Starting to get a bit annoyed with this season now.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:28

And Rubens is on the BBC making it personal as always... despite claiming he doesn't want to. Bringing up Hungary and *other* moments in history. There's absolutely no need for that, Schumacher did block Rubens but there is no way he planned to be there to block him so making it so personal and dragging up events in history is just classic cry baby Barrichello.


Yea he really does annoy me. He has knwo one else to blame for his 5 years at Ferrari other than himself. If he dident want to be number 2 shouldent of signed the contract.

I have no respect for for him.

Edited by Massa_f1, 23 October 2010 - 06:31.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:29

I guess no one was in fast lap? So no problem, but I didn't see the incident?


Are you kidding? Rubens was on a fast lap, Schu on out or in lap.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:29

And Rubens is on the BBC making it personal as always... despite claiming he doesn't want to. Bringing up Hungary and *other* moments in history. There's absolutely no need for that, Schumacher did block Rubens but there is no way he planned to be there to block him so making it so personal and dragging up events in history is just classic cry baby Barrichello.


Schumacher drove past at least two flashing blue lights & his excuse was the team did not tell him.....can he not use his mirrors ?

It was poor driving simple as that how can you say he planned not to be there ?

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:34

Schumacher drove past at least two flashing blue lights & his excuse was the team did not tell him.....can he not use his mirrors ?

It was poor driving simple as that how can you say he planned not to be there ?

:down:


This is a very silly post, those mirrors show very little, if he doesn't look in exactly the right moment it's very possible he wouldn't even see Rubens. Quite true though, he failed to see blue flags which is a failure and he'll probably get a penalty for it. The team should have been on the radio telling him who was where on the circuit infront/behind him, it's standard protocol these days... Mercedes shambles again.

Anyway I agree, he blocked and will probably receive a penalty, what I don't agree with is Rubens Barrichello's constant child-like attitude. How has this block in qualifying got anything to do with Hungary like he mentioned or any of the unnamed events in the past he also mentioned? Rubens loves making it personal especially with Schumacher, he loves a good feel sorry for me sob story.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:39

This is a very silly post, those mirrors show very little, if he doesn't look in exactly the right moment it's very possible he wouldn't even see Rubens. Quite true though, he failed to see blue flags which is a failure and he'll probably get a penalty for it. The team should have been on the radio telling him who was where on the circuit infront/behind him, it's standard protocol these days... Mercedes shambles again.

Anyway I agree, he blocked and will probably receive a penalty, what I don't agree with is Rubens Barrichello's constant child-like attitude. How has this block in qualifying got anything to do with Hungary like he mentioned or any of the unnamed events in the past he also mentioned? Rubens loves making it personal especially with Schumacher, he loves a good feel sorry for me sob story.



MS seemed to be able to use his mirrors (especially his right one ) very well in Hungary ....

Face facts it was poor driving & not the teams fault ..

:lol:

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:41

I can't comment on what happen because as I said I didn't see it. I don't have BBC. But, I am sure he didn't do it because it was Rubens? What can happen now to put him in P10? I don't get it, Rubens get to Q3, why crying? I understand that if he didn't get in Q3. But, he get in Q3. Then what was the problem that Michael block him? He didn't suffer any negative effect from it? What he will say to stewards: He didn't stop me from getting in Q3 but he block me and you need to punish him , even that he didn't compromise my result?

Edited by ivand911, 23 October 2010 - 06:45.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:42

This is a very silly post, those mirrors show very little, if he doesn't look in exactly the right moment it's very possible he wouldn't even see Rubens. Quite true though, he failed to see blue flags which is a failure and he'll probably get a penalty for it. The team should have been on the radio telling him who was where on the circuit infront/behind him, it's standard protocol these days... Mercedes shambles again.

Anyway I agree, he blocked and will probably receive a penalty, what I don't agree with is Rubens Barrichello's constant child-like attitude. How has this block in qualifying got anything to do with Hungary like he mentioned or any of the unnamed events in the past he also mentioned? Rubens loves making it personal especially with Schumacher, he loves a good feel sorry for me sob story.



Yep agree and that dont work on me.

he dident even attempt to get past or show Schumacher he was there. Its always personal with him. Deep down it is himself he has the issue with am sure( for staying at Ferrari so long) not Micheal.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:43

I can't comment on what happen because as I said I didn't see it. I don't have BBC. But, I am sure he didn't do it because it was Rubens? What can happen now to put him in P10? I don't get it, Rubens get to Q3, why crying? I understand that if he didn't get in Q3. But, he get in Q3. Then what was the problem that Michael block him? He didn't suffer any negative effect from it?


He will most likley start from 14th. Look on the bright side at least the silent posters when Micheal has an ok weekend will come out and make this thread alive again. lol.

Edited by Massa_f1, 23 October 2010 - 06:44.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:48

Blocking is blocking and Schumi should be punished. That doesn't mean I like Barrichello though, just to make it clear to certain individuals.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:48

The two old gits really hate each other don't they hehe

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:49

Another blocking incident and again slower than Rosberg despite learning new tracks supposedly being MS' speciality.
Not a great start to the weekend...

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:51

The two old gits really hate each other don't they hehe


Its more Rubens hating MS than MS hating Rubens. I would imagine MS is a little sick of Rubens's childish behavior like singing unpleasent songs about him at partys moaning every chance he gets to bring up Ferrari days.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:53

It is not for us to decide. What happen happen. There is people for this, lets they do their job. From guys that get in Q3, only Rubens can continue to speak for something like this that Happen in Q2. But there was a lot of blocking going on. Maybe there will be more cases.

Edited by ivand911, 23 October 2010 - 07:00.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:26

If Lewis wasn't penalised last race , neither should Schumi be penalised now for something that happened in Q2 (which had no effect on the quali since Barrichello made it into Q3).

But with that crybaby you never know.

Edited by Diablobb81, 23 October 2010 - 07:27.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:28

Rubens whining like a woman per usual...

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:34

And Rubens is on the BBC making it personal as always... despite claiming he doesn't want to. Bringing up Hungary and *other* moments in history. There's absolutely no need for that, Schumacher did block Rubens but there is no way he planned to be there to block him so making it so personal and dragging up events in history is just classic cry baby Barrichello.


Indeed. Schumacher just made a personal apology - not a Mercedes team forced one - in front of millions of people (even though we didn't hear it, we all saw it) and Rubens still has a whinge in front on Lee McKenzie.

This whole 'I don't want to make it personal' thing is rubbish. Schumacher and Ferrari did a total demolition job on this guy mentally and he'll be haunted for the rest of his life by it. Classic whingy Rubens. Well done mate, you did yourself no favours today :up:

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 23 October 2010 - 07:39.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:35

But wait, Korea is coming up!

:smoking:



I knew it - sure enough Schumacher would come up with something stupid and unfair as well as with another mediocre showing - 4 tenths off the pace, the gap is increasing!
Let´s hope Schumi stays in the sport for 2011 and 2012, he is at least a mainstay in his special fields....

:smoking:

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:36

Are you kidding? Rubens was on a fast lap, Schu on out or in lap.


But he was already in Q3. His time was secure....

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:36

Barrichello critical of Schumacher again
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/87658
Good morning to you too Aditya. :wave:

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:38

O drama queen barrichella has arrived again. Michael already did apologize to him so come on. Barrichello always seems to think Michael does it on purpose to him.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:41

I'd like someone to remind me how did the moment finished when Alonso blocked Michael in first or second race? As far as I remember he has approached Alonso to find wether the team didn't tell him if Michael is behind and when he knew that team didn't tell it was kinda ok? No soap operas happened back then?

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:41

Barrichello critical of Schumacher again
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/87658
Good morning to you too Aditya. :wave:


Good morning to you, Ivan.

I am in transit from Hamburg to Amsterdam and just here in Hannover in a Lounge with a wireless connection. So my comments will be scarce this weekend, I am teaching four seminars in Amsterdam and Den Haag and will catch up with the GP only on Monday or Tuesday.... :cry:

So it´s nice to at least say hello to some good friends like you, Ivan. I´ll be in Sofia from November 6th and 7th, in Plovdiv on Nov.7th and Varna Nov.8th and 9th. Pity we won´t meet there, Ivan.

Regards to Schumi: let´s hope for the race, as always. At least Michael has shown this year that in the races he sometimes can still be reckoned with, so there is hope. :wave:


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:45

Schumacher said he was pleased with his performance and confident of a stronger race.

"I had a busy qualifying getting everything together with some changes we made but I'm quite happy with my position," he said. "There was no room for much more today. The team did a great job getting both cars into Q3 and we will be starting from the better side of the track in my opinion.

"I'm quite optimistic for tomorrow and we should score some points, especially as our set-up is focused on the race. We had a good race pace in practice yesterday and I'm looking forward to the first Korean Grand Prix."
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/87659
Difference in results can be very easily explain with Michael setup more for the race than Nico's(Not that there is any need for explanation). Will see. And it is not like the team will die from joy if he take points from Nico.

Edited by ivand911, 23 October 2010 - 07:47.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:45

I knew it - sure enough Schumacher would come up with something stupid and unfair as well as with another mediocre showing - 4 tenths off the pace, the gap is increasing!
Let´s hope Schumi stays in the sport for 2011 and 2012, he is at least a mainstay in his special fields....

:smoking:


Another mediocre post, the hate is increasing! According to your logic shall we hope Button and Massa will be in the sport for 2011 / 2012? They surely are more off the pace comparing to their teammates..

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:50

Another mediocre post, the hate is increasing! According to your logic shall we hope Button and Massa will be in the sport for 2011 / 2012? They surely are more off the pace comparing to their teammates..


I don´t want to judge your posts, yet let me say that there is no hate on my part. Just a realistic assessment of what Schumi is doing. You can´t hide the facts.

Yeah, Button (7 tenths off Hamilton) and Massa (8 tenths off Alonso) are surely in trouble as well, but then, I never considered the Mercedes #1 driver Rosberg to be in the same league as Hamilton and Alonso. So the 4 tenths Michael lost on Nico are still worlds....


#7091 ivand911

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:54

The problem is we don't know facts, we know only results. Michael getting in Q3 for some races now is the important result. Taking points in the race is important result too. This is what team want from him now.

Edited by ivand911, 23 October 2010 - 07:57.


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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:11

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This whole 'I don't want to make it personal' thing is rubbish. Schumacher and Ferrari did a total demolition job on this guy mentally and he'll be haunted for the rest of his life by it. Classic whingy Rubens. Well done mate, you did yourself no favours today :up:

Classic Schumie fan sentiment - like George W Bush "you're either with us or you're against us". Still living in another era, down south, chickin lickin', hate strangers, suspicious of everyone.

I actually like Michael a whole lot more than most of you blinkered dudes, you actually turn me off the man's great achievements if anything.

If Michael did the block he should do the penalty like every other guy, no favours, no recriminations.


#7093 ivand911

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:28

Good news:Schumacher reprimanded for impeding
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/87672

#7094 fatfreddie

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:42

Oh come on, Schumi apologised. Really, can´t Barrichello get over the fact that he was once MS´s bitch? Does he have to make a point of complaining every time he meets Michael on track.
Grow a pair Rubens. :down:

#7095 smitten

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:46

Does he have to make a point of complaining every time he meets Michael on track.


If I was impeded by someone who should know better, I'd complain too.


#7096 Lifew12

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:47

Michael was great today, wasn't he? I can't wait for next years Mercedes, it will be interesting to see how much quicker than him Nico is in a better car.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:53

Michael was great today, wasn't he? I can't wait for next years Mercedes, it will be interesting to see how much quicker than him Nico is in a better car.

If this is what interest you most. For me it is important for which places they can fight with this car. If it is for 5th-6th-7th-8th it is not much important that Nico is faster than him?


#7098 SpeedyS

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 10:02

I bet you $.05 that Nico will probably outqualify Schu by .2 :cat: The two of them have been pretty close, though I expect a strong showing by both of them on Sat and Sun.


I owe you....... Maybe double up next time. Better to live with hope than none at all

#7099 Lifew12

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 10:24

If this is what interest you most. For me it is important for which places they can fight with this car. If it is for 5th-6th-7th-8th it is not much important that Nico is faster than him?


What interests me most, Ivan, is the consistent manner in which Rosberg is quicker than Michael.

The thing is, it is important that Nico is faster than him, and I am willing to bet heavily tht it is more important to Michael than it is to you and I! Do you really think he came back to play second fiddle to a driver who, up to now, has been regarded as pretty good but that's about it? If he did, what was the point and, more to the point, what good is that to Mercedes? I know you're a major fan - and that there are others on here who are - but I can't help thinking the time has long gone where anybody could reasonably say 'well, he needs four races/half a season/a season/ he'll be much better with next years car' because, quite simply, if next years car is better than it's going to be better for both of them.

I was pleased to see him come back - he's a great champion, after all, one with a list of achievments that will take a few years to beat - and the interest his return with mercedes produced was exciting and great for the sport, but the season's almost over and he's still not matching his team mate; doesn't that - in all honesty, blinkers aside - say something to you? I wish him well, but can't see any reason why Mercedes will continue to pay him millions to perform like this.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 10:25

Rubens whining like a woman per usual...


By the same token M Schumacher driving liking a woman per usual. ;-)