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#7301 aditya-now

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 00:40

Comparing Ferrari and MGP cars is not very useful occupation. I am sure Michael would prefer to drive red car this year. And I think his results could be better that Massa's. Because I think he can find red car easy to drive and better suited to his style.


Ah, crying after the red car?

Well, whose decision was it not to go to the Reds? Who wanted to join Mercedes and not Ferrari? Who did Michael disappoint so much by chosing "the enemy" that LdM called him "his own twin brother"?
So, maybe Schumi made the wrong decision joining the Greys?

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#7302 aditya-now

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 00:42

:lol: :lol: :lol:

#7303 aditya-now

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 00:43

If I was M Schumacher, I would be a bit alarmed by this.


Yes, these "fans" show a dangerous level of addiction to their idol. What´s next?

Seems like teenager fandom, sometimes followed by tragedy.


#7304 baddog

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 01:55

We have been through this process of you guys showing your lack of class towards the EXACT same fans before.. in this thread.. are your memories so short?

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 05:04

(to nobody in particular) The Schumie fans have been rather feeling the absence of "the love" for a while so FWIW I would say that was Michael's best drive of 2010. We all know the car isn't outstanding so his result was pretty good. He looked pretty good through practice but qualifying pace still seems to elude him.

The car seemed to work better than in recent times so maybe the Schumie factor is happening within the MB engineering division. Rosberg continues to shime and has caught up to and passed his teammate in the one area he lagged - bad luck.

#7306 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 06:46

Ah, crying after the red car?

Well, whose decision was it not to go to the Reds? Who wanted to join Mercedes and not Ferrari? Who did Michael disappoint so much by chosing "the enemy" that LdM called him "his own twin brother"?
So, maybe Schumi made the wrong decision joining the Greys?

I didn't know that Ferrari offered Michael drive for 2010? Because they didn't. MGP need time to get to the level where Ferrari is. Last year was just luck and smart thinking.


#7307 aditya-now

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 07:35

I didn't know that Ferrari offered Michael drive for 2010? Because they didn't. MGP need time to get to the level where Ferrari is. Last year was just luck and smart thinking.


No smart thinking on Schumi´s part. He aborted his come-back because of that "neck-injury". So he missed out on that Ferrari seat. Well, maybe he would have missed it anyway, if he would have been as fast as Fisichella he would surely not have qualified himself for 2010 in the red cockpit...

Luckily for Schumi he did not drive as Massa´s stand-in in the second half of 2009, so at least he secured the Mercedes seat in that way.

I am sure that LdM would have taken Schumacher only as a third driver after Alonso and Massa. Of course, he should have taken Alonso/Schumacher, but then Michael would have received a sound beating at the hands of Alonso :lol: and what Rosberg did to him now at Merc would have been a joke by comparison.

So all in all Michael is lucky to be where he is - he has a chance for 2011, and no other top cockpit was available to him anyway, if we trust Ivan´s intelligence.

#7308 aditya-now

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 07:38

We have been through this process of you guys showing your lack of class towards the EXACT same fans before.. in this thread.. are your memories so short?


No short memories, baddog, I still think that this kind of addictive fandom on the part of the Russian fans ("Michael - we can´t live without you" and "Michael - we follow you everywhere") is a touch too much for grown-ups, and smells like teen spirit. Of course, sometimes teens do themselves harm in the process when their fandom carries them to such "heights" of admiration.


#7309 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:33

Let's not discuss other people banners. I don't see here anyone with such dedication and passion to do something like this. If you can't do something is better not to discuss other people work. Because this involve to much and you can't handle it. Humanly, financially, internationally. You need people with big soul to do it. And you just don't have it.

Edited by ivand911, 30 October 2010 - 11:34.


#7310 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:48

but alonso brought 3 tenths to the team :confused:


I thought it was sixth tenths?

I agree, I don't think Schumacher would have the energy to be competitive against Alonso over a full season. However, I do think that Fred vs Michael would be a lot lot closer than Fred vs Massa.

I don't see Fred demolishing Michael in the same way he has done Massa.

#7311 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 15:19

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#7312 F. Scaramanga

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 15:34

I feel queasy when i see the idiots!

#7313 arknor

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 17:32

What are the predictions for Interlagos? I think the Merc will perform well there though I expect Rosberg to outpace him comfortably once again.[/b]

maybe you should get back on topic in rhe rosberg vs schumacher thread

#7314 aditya-now

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 22:41

maybe you should get back on topic in rhe rosberg vs schumacher thread


A fifth place is on the cards for Michael in Brazil - it seems they are getting their act together and Interlagos always suited Michael - who would ever forget his "last race" in Interlagos 2006. Back then he went out in style - I hope we will see a similar good outcome for Michael in his second career.

Now fifth only on the strength of the championship battle bringing some DNFs with it - Massa should be up there, Alonso, the Red Bulls, Hamilton and Button as well. One or two of them might not finish - then still Michael will have to beat his first opponent, against whom he did not look convincing this season.

So third to fifth in the most positive case, otherwise 7th to 9th.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 05:02

Yeh I expect a strong showing from both Merc drivers in Brazil. How they managed to pull off as the fastest in the speed traps amazes me as the car looks anything but angular. Im guessing 4-6 place. A podium if we see a few retirements on the downhill run.

#7316 aditya-now

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 15:51

A fifth place is on the cards for Michael in Brazil - it seems they are getting their act together and Interlagos always suited Michael - who would ever forget his "last race" in Interlagos 2006. Back then he went out in style - I hope we will see a similar good outcome for Michael in his second career.

Now fifth only on the strength of the championship battle bringing some DNFs with it - Massa should be up there, Alonso, the Red Bulls, Hamilton and Button as well. One or two of them might not finish - then still Michael will have to beat his first opponent, against whom he did not look convincing this season.

So third to fifth in the most positive case, otherwise 7th to 9th.


Interesting test that post of mine. While it happens to be my sincere opinion, and I stay with it, a whole Sunday passes and you don´t have any reactions from Ivan, cheapracer, baddog, graybearded and all the other usual suspects that invade the thread over other posts of mine within minutes when the post is critical or sometimes even just realistic.

When something positive is said about Michael they don´t have anything to disagree with - thus the thread remains like an orphan child... ;)


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Posted 31 October 2010 - 16:41

Yes, I expect him to shine there :p
Last chance for a podium this year I guess as I don´t believe the combination MS/Merc will look good at Abu Dhabi.

Edited by Urawa, 31 October 2010 - 16:43.


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Posted 31 October 2010 - 17:06

I don´t want to do a new topic for one question, so I ask here about Will Webber - Shumi´s manager.

I got a question on my Ricciardo fansite - With all your contacts how difficult do you think it can be to meet Will Webber ?

Why on earth does a private person wanna meet him ? :confused:

#7319 aditya-now

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 21:39

Why on earth does a private person wanna meet him ? :confused:


Good question, why would anyone meet Willi Webber now with all the things that have come out into the open, his problems with the law - although my opinon of Schumacher is not to highest, I could never figure out why an intelligent person like Schumacher would be so deeply befriended with someone of the calibre of Willi Webber.

Apart from that, the "Deutsche Vermögenswaltung" which is nothing short of a financial "club" to say it in the mildest terms (you could speak to some of their agents which are indebted for life with them and try what they can to get out of it, but to no avail) is another questionable association of Michael Schumacher. Yes, they pay him the money, but it´s a little bit like Tom Cruise...

So thinking about Webber and Deutsche Vermögensverwaltung I have to say that all other aspects of the Schumacher phenomenon are very positive. In German we have a saying: "Sage mir mit wem du umgehst und ich sage dir wer du bist".

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#7320 Yorkie

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 00:17

Button was behind too. Kubica race improve a lot on last laps when Rubens and Hulk have problem with tyres. Michael from other side was just trying to conserve his inters since the moment he put them on. And he did good job with that. He didn't push it at any moment. This is F1 now, conserving tyres. But, still with full wet tyres he show something.

But not as much as Rosberg

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 00:27

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/32601.html

So will Sutil resist the temptation of replacing Schumacher at Mercedes GP?

"I just want to make sure to do the right thing, but I can't say where I am going to be [next season]. I was planning to make a decision four weeks ago, but it is difficult."

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 00:40

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/32601.html

So will Sutil resist the temptation of replacing Schumacher at Mercedes GP?

"I just want to make sure to do the right thing, but I can't say where I am going to be [next season]. I was planning to make a decision four weeks ago, but it is difficult."

schumacher isnt going anywhere? :wave:

#7323 aditya-now

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 00:43

schumacher isnt going anywhere? :wave:


:wave:

Let´s see. At least Adrian Sutil can´t decide now, whereas one month ago he was obviously sure. Well, maybe it all went into Schumi´s direction - before Suzuka his replacement by Sutil was a done deal, but he saved his a.. by two medium successful races in Suzuka and Yeongam.



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Posted 01 November 2010 - 00:50

:wave:

Let´s see. At least Adrian Sutil can´t decide now, whereas one month ago he was obviously sure. Well, maybe it all went into Schumi´s direction - before Suzuka his replacement by Sutil was a done deal, but he saved his a.. by two medium successful races in Suzuka and Yeongam.

maybe sutil could be replacing rosberg instead seeing as hes done so poor since suzuka

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:28

maybe sutil could be replacing rosberg instead seeing as hes done so poor since suzuka

Doesnt say much for Schumi then

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 02:33

maybe sutil could be replacing rosberg instead seeing as hes done so poor since suzuka


Sounds reasonable! Bye Nico!

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:42

maybe sutil could be replacing rosberg instead seeing as hes done so poor since suzuka


Sutil would be wise to go to Benz if he has the chance as I think there will be a good car and a vacant seat in 2012. I can't see Force India ever being better than strong midfield as they are.

Edited by Buttoneer, 01 November 2010 - 11:03.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:47

In Brazil I expect Michael to be strong as he has been for the last few races. He has always gone well there and clearly things have changed enormously since Monza.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:58

In Brazil I expect Michael to be strong as he has been for the last few races. He has always gone well there and clearly things have changed enormously since Monza.


I expect status quo at Brazil, I still expect Rosberg to slightly hold his year long advantage. You are right though, like Spa and Suzuka this is a favoured MS track which helps for him to advance the car on known ground.

Anyway, with the team strategies up front theres a real chance for a podium for either MS or Rosberg unless McLaren request Benz to stay away from them or even to assist them.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 08:59

I expect status quo at Brazil, I still expect Rosberg to slightly hold his year long advantage. You are right though, like Spa and Suzuka this is a favoured MS track which helps for him to advance the car on known ground.

Anyway, with the team strategies up front theres a real chance for a podium for either MS or Rosberg unless McLaren request Benz to stay away from them or even to assist them.




I'm just thinking, Michael's qualifying sessions at Spain and Turkey had a zest of confidence about them immediately, and I do wonder how his Spa race would of gone had he not got that grid drop penality. Suzuka and Korea not finding qualifying the same. There are so many areas and races where he can improve massively on this year next year. It's like for over half a season Mercedes and MS were in the unkown, getting speed and then losing it without understanding why, now there seems more answers. It's a shame they've improved near the end late, especially with f duct improvements they could of done with at Canada/Turkey-which I'm sure would of landed MS with a podium at Turkey.

Their simulation work seems vastly improved. Infact when they said they were gonna stop working on this years car for next year, I expected quite bad races to fend off renault for constructors, but it's been the otherway round, they are using infrastructure and resources for the new car to experiment and give answers to the current one and were seeing the type of season perhaps Mercedes could of had this year, had they been prepapred for it. Brawn/MS and Nico seem more upbeat lately, good stuff for 2011 which is their real first season together, and I say first season in which they are prepared, 2010 was just a delayed start, everyone seems hungary for 2011 which is good.

#7331 aditya-now

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 09:58

I expect status quo at Brazil, I still expect Rosberg to slightly hold his year long advantage. You are right though, like Spa and Suzuka this is a favoured MS track which helps for him to advance the car on known ground.

Anyway, with the team strategies up front theres a real chance for a podium for either MS or Rosberg unless McLaren request Benz to stay away from them or even to assist them.


Coming back from Willi Weber, Deutsche Vermögensberatung and Sutil replacing Schumacher in 2011/2012 - yes, I agree, status quo in Interlagos, Nico Rosberg will have to fight for his money but still hold on to a slight advantage.

It is great to see Michael back in the fold driving-wise, would have been a pity to see him fading, after THAT career. Still, one thing is for sure, we all had to lower our expectations, friend and foe alike....


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 10:28

If the 2011 car is strong, I don't expect Sutil to be replacing anyone in the Mercedes camp.

#7333 aditya-now

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 10:37

If the 2011 car is strong, I don't expect Sutil to be replacing anyone in the Mercedes camp.


How will they know if the 2011 car is strong before signing or not signing Sutil?

Ah, I see. If the 2011 car turns out to be a fluke Michael will call it quits and the cockpit is vacant for Adrian to be taken.

Edited by aditya-now, 01 November 2010 - 10:38.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 11:17

Michael usually finish his contracts ,so after 2012 MGP can do what they want. If, Michael finish next year 4th to 7th in WDC I expect that he will drive in 2012 too. I don't think Sutil is only one fighting for MGP seat after Michael is out.

Edited by ivand911, 01 November 2010 - 11:18.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 11:35

You are right though, like Spa and Suzuka this is a favoured MS track which helps for him to advance the car on known ground.

you can also add barcelona & monaco

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 11:45

Sutil: 'No truth' to Mercedes rumours
1 November 2010
http://www.gpupdate....rcedes-rumours/
Adrian Sutil has rubbished wild speculation that he could be drafted in by Mercedes to replace Michael Schumacher in 2011. The German, who has scored 47 points this season with Force India, added though that he has yet to make a decision on where he will go next year.

“No, there is no truth in that,” Sutil told the Mail Online. “Michael is going to stay there for another year at least, and I think he has a three-year contract, so that is how it is. Of course it would be great to drive for Mercedes in the future, but I think now is just too early, and they are just rumours.

“People expected him to be where he ended three years ago, but that’s not how F1 is. It has changed and it is never easy to come back after three years. It’s not a winning car at the moment.

"You can make a reference to his team-mate [Nico Rosberg]. But he’s close and is getting better, so I suppose you could say it’s probably not been a bad comeback.

“[As for myself] I’m not sure at the moment [what my plans are for 2011], but it should happen pretty soon. I just want to make sure I do the right thing.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 11:54

In Brazil I expect Michael to be strong as he has been for the last few races. He has always gone well there and clearly things have changed enormously since Monza.


He is still consistently 3-4 tenths behind his team mate in qualifying so what has changed?
In the races lot's of things happen and it's sometimes possible to cover up the speed deficit, but it's always there. Next year its possible but unlikely for him to find this missing chunk of speed and be even with Rosberg, but that is hardly some sort of success for one of the best drivers of all time. I hope he retires. He is no longer relevant in modern F1.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 12:22

He is still consistently 3-4 tenths behind his team mate in qualifying so what has changed?
In the races lot's of things happen and it's sometimes possible to cover up the speed deficit, but it's always there. Next year its possible but unlikely for him to find this missing chunk of speed and be even with Rosberg, but that is hardly some sort of success for one of the best drivers of all time. I hope he retires. He is no longer relevant in modern F1.

And who is relevant in modern F1? Your opinion. For many Michael fans he is very relevant, but thank you for your opinion(Sutil don't agree with you). And he is very relevant for F1 , because his fans like me will spend money to visit GP(Turkey and probably Spa in my case). Because of him of course. There was drivers which was not relevant to modern F1 in the last two years. But,they are still here.

Edited by ivand911, 01 November 2010 - 12:44.


#7339 aditya-now

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 12:58

And who is relevant in modern F1? Your opinion. For many Michael fans he is very relevant, but thank you for your opinion(Sutil don't agree with you). And he is very relevant for F1 , because his fans like me will spend money to visit GP(Turkey and probably Spa in my case). Because of him of course. There was drivers which was not relevant to modern F1 in the last two years. But,they are still here.


Who is relevant in modern F1? More relevant than Michael, that is?

Start with Alonso who defeated Michael already in 2005 and 2006 (and who seems to be specialising in winning championships when Michael is around ;) ), then Hamilton, Kubica and Vettel. You can throw in Nico Rosberg, of course, as he has the upper hand on Michael this year, but that would not take Michael's historical importance into account.

So I go with Alonso, Hamilton and then Michael Schumacher, all things considered.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 13:09

Who is relevant in modern F1? More relevant than Michael, that is?

Start with Alonso who defeated Michael already in 2005 and 2006 (and who seems to be specialising in winning championships when Michael is around ;) ), then Hamilton, Kubica and Vettel. You can throw in Nico Rosberg, of course, as he has the upper hand on Michael this year, but that would not take Michael's historical importance into account.

So I go with Alonso, Hamilton and then Michael Schumacher, all things considered.

I mean somebody who is not in F1 now? Because drivers you mentioned are in F1. corps like I understand thinks that there is people outside F1, who are more appropriate for F1. Nobody else, who is really interested of F1 can't be more suitable and useful for F1 than Michael.

Edited by ivand911, 01 November 2010 - 13:44.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 14:35

He is still consistently 3-4 tenths behind his team mate in qualifying so what has changed?
In the races lot's of things happen and it's sometimes possible to cover up the speed deficit, but it's always there. Next year its possible but unlikely for him to find this missing chunk of speed and be even with Rosberg, but that is hardly some sort of success for one of the best drivers of all time. I hope he retires. He is no longer relevant in modern F1.

pfft alot of us watch live timings and understand what is going on during a race , nothing is hiding anything.

learn to read and understand live timings the race is no big mystery unless you would rather sit in an armchair and turn your brain off , let legard do the thinking for you instead ^_^

Edited by arknor, 01 November 2010 - 14:35.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 16:09

He is still consistently 3-4 tenths behind his team mate in qualifying so what has changed?

He is no longer relevant in modern F1.


His race performance actually, some of us watch that part of the weekend too.

Relevant? Tell that to the many drivers behind or the one immediately in front of him every race. Even treating him as an unknown rookie this year his recent batch of performances are enough to have changed a Team Managers possible earlier decision about him for next year's drive.




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Posted 01 November 2010 - 16:21

His race performance actually, some of us watch that part of the weekend too.

Relevant? Tell that to the many drivers behind or the one immediately in front of him every race. Even treating him as an unknown rookie this year his recent batch of performances are enough to have changed a Team Managers possible earlier decision about him for next year's drive.

He's had by and large the 4th fastest car and not really done anything out of the ordinary with it

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 17:00

His race performance actually, some of us watch that part of the weekend too.

Relevant? Tell that to the many drivers behind or the one immediately in front of him every race. Even treating him as an unknown rookie this year his recent batch of performances are enough to have changed a Team Managers possible earlier decision about him for next year's drive.


What race?
Last race Rosberg was ahead before he was taken out. He was terrible in Singapore. I guess he looked ok in Suzuka, a track he used to be magic on he was still behind Rosberg.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 17:01

How will they know if the 2011 car is strong before signing or not signing Sutil?

Ah, I see. If the 2011 car turns out to be a fluke Michael will call it quits and the cockpit is vacant for Adrian to be taken.


Yup.


If the 2011 car allows Schumacher to be more competitive relative to his team mate and the field, I think the 3 year contract will be seen out.

If not, Schumacher will call it quits and allow Sutil to take his seat (for 2012 or even mid way, who knows) on the basis that 'this team will never move beyond midfield'.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 17:06

What race?
Last race Rosberg was ahead before he was taken out. He was terrible in Singapore. I guess he looked ok in Suzuka, a track he used to be magic on he was still behind Rosberg.


Was he?

I seem to recall that Schumacher was about 1.5 seconds behind Rosberg before Rosberg crashed. After Rosberg's departpure, wasn't Schumacher 1.5+ seconds faster in clear air and catching Lewis Hamilton?

Had the team not fixed the pitstops to put Rosberg ahead of Schumacher (yes, it did happen, watch again, all very calculated) and Rosberg not held Schumacher up, it's not inconcievable that Schumacher would have been very close to Hamilton by race end.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 17:16

Had the team not fixed the pitstops to put Rosberg ahead of Schumacher (yes, it did happen, watch again, all very calculated) and Rosberg not held Schumacher up, it's not inconcievable that Schumacher would have been very close to Hamilton by race end.


What reason do you give for Nico getting the treatment that many feel was once reserved for Schumi?


#7348 Buttoneer

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 17:20

What reason do you give for Nico getting the treatment that many feel was once reserved for Schumi?

He's ahead in the championship and has shown himself to be more likely to get podiums and wins. Isn't that the way it should be, and isn't that exactly why Schumacher deserved it himself in the past?

#7349 baddog

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:05

He is still consistently 3-4 tenths behind his team mate in qualifying so what has changed?
In the races lot's of things happen and it's sometimes possible to cover up the speed deficit, but it's always there. Next year its possible but unlikely for him to find this missing chunk of speed and be even with Rosberg, but that is hardly some sort of success for one of the best drivers of all time. I hope he retires. He is no longer relevant in modern F1.

So there is one session in a weekend now? You need to tell the F1 guys, they are still there on sunday for some reason, and those fools are awarding points for the wrong session!

If you dont think Michael has changed his performance in recent races then you are not watching very closely, or are watching with your mind closed. While he has still got a bugbear in qualifying, over the weekend he is a transformed driver.

#7350 Yorkie

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:12

So there is one session in a weekend now? You need to tell the F1 guys, they are still there on sunday for some reason, and those fools are awarding points for the wrong session!

If you dont think Michael has changed his performance in recent races then you are not watching very closely, or are watching with your mind closed. While he has still got a bugbear in qualifying, over the weekend he is a transformed driver.

I still dont see him punching above the cars weight