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#7351 black magic

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 22:24

perhaps not but his teammate whilst having a lot more points is still only 1 place ahead in the chapionship.

kinda suggests it is more a car than driver problem

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 01:18

I still dont see him punching above the cars weight


Who is really when you think about it? Everybody is where they are supposed to be barring mistakes and exceptional track circumstances.

The only one that hasn't performed relative to his car's performance is Felipe Massa and perhaps Alonso has punched above the car's performance - although some elements of luck were involved his his recent form.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 02 November 2010 - 09:29.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 10:30

So there is one session in a weekend now? You need to tell the F1 guys, they are still there on sunday for some reason, and those fools are awarding points for the wrong session!

If you dont think Michael has changed his performance in recent races then you are not watching very closely, or are watching with your mind closed. While he has still got a bugbear in qualifying, over the weekend he is a transformed driver.

I have been watching closely and I would say that Michael has better got to grips in race conditions with the car. To say he is a transformed driver however.... :confused:
He is a carthorse in qualifying much of the time - 3 + tenths week after week at this level isn't good enough. If you look at the match ups of Webber and Vettel (and Webber gets a lot of heat among the unwashed masses) for example, the two are often hundredths apart. MS is so far off the pace for such an experienced and previously brilliant driver you have to question why he is on this comeback still. However Michael could be the best news for Rosberg in 2011 if he can inspire a direction and strength in the team currently missing.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 13:11

He's ahead in the championship and has shown himself to be more likely to get podiums and wins. Isn't that the way it should be, and isn't that exactly why Schumacher deserved it himself in the past?


And from the far corner Buttoneer shoots and - YES GOAAAAAAL!!!!!


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 13:22

Had the team not fixed the pitstops to put Rosberg ahead of Schumacher (yes, it did happen, watch again, all very calculated) and Rosberg not held Schumacher up, it's not inconcievable that Schumacher would have been very close to Hamilton by race end.


Just have. There's no way there was any conspiracy to get Rosberg ahead. That was a fair fight and Rosberg was ahead until the wheels fell off.

It's plain to see and hear over the radio.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 13:44

Just have. There's no way there was any conspiracy to get Rosberg ahead. That was a fair fight and Rosberg was ahead until the wheels fell off.

It's plain to see and hear over the radio.



Rosberg pits under the safety car and goes onto the hard tyres and falls back behind some slower cars.

Schumacher is consistently lapping faster (around 0.5 seconds or so) than Rosberg while they are holding their relative positions and his tyres aren't going off or suffering from graining. The gap is growing lap by lap. Schumacher is then brought in and Rosberg just gets ahead of him at the pit stops.

Now either the team strategists are very stupid or Schumacher's position was engineered to be brought in behind Rosberg at the pitstops. Schumacher was clearly the faster man in race pace. When Rosberg crashed out, Schumacher began lapping 1.5 seconds a lap faster. Basically, Rosberg held him up.


There is no 'conspiracy'. Just a logical deduction of what happened.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 02 November 2010 - 13:46.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 14:08

http://www.championa...icle-69926.html

- Michael, what do you expect from the remaining two races of the 2010 season?
- Our main goal - maximize the potential of the machine. And we as a team to grow together. Do not forget that we remain a young team and, moreover, is relatively small. So you need to use the infrastructure the most effective way, and we concentrate on this and develop from race to race.

If you talk about me, then I got more and more involved in various small parts. Yes, I have a great experience but I was away for three years and much has changed in that time. Over time, I find and compare all the more to get the whole picture.

- But if you take into account your record and experience, as well as what you came to the team champion, how surprising was that during the season form the team was falling, not growing?
- I think everybody, including me, expected the team will add. Especially if you remember where the team was a year ago, and bear in mind that acceded to the Mercedes and me. But I have not had for several years, "Mercedes" and "Brown" just cooperate, and thus has many components, over which we work. Do not forget that the fight for the title last season influenced the preparation for this championship, which we see.

- How do you assess the chances of the five contenders for the title?
- Better to be ahead than behind, ahead only when the two races. But, of course, has not been decided.

- What will be the deciding factor? Can I say that by year's end the human factor becomes more important?
- For me, the determining factor - the development of the machine. But the pilot also affects, of course.

- The fact that you switched to prepare for 2011, somehow lowered the pressure on you and the team?
- I think the pressure was pretty high at the beginning of the season. I do not think that since everything has changed a lot, because even during the winter tests there were reasons not to be too optimistic. If you recall my words, then quite quickly I stopped talking about the fight for the championship. Nico was configured somewhat more optimistic, but I had an opinion. You are holding a vehicle, and you know its capabilities. So I wanted to stop a project to develop the current car and focus on the future to have a slight advantage over rivals.

- You said before the Japanese Grand Prix that "Suzuka" in the "Mercedes" will be a problem, but in fact you get the very strong performance on a dry track for the whole year. Does this mean that you still do not know much about the potential of the machine?
- I think we have optimized settings. In the course of the season we had a lot of updates, but they have not always matched our expectations and gave the benefit. I think that now we wring from them the maximum. This was because the "Suzuka" in Korea.

- On you impressed teammate?
- "Impressed" - this is an incorrect statement, because I think that Niko has declared itself before joining Mercedes, and he continued to argue that a good stable driver. He proved it on the "Suzuka", when we fought. But with a partner you can not go on some sort of limit. With all the other pilot may be different on both sides.

- Do you think you can climb onto the podium this year?
- We need a little luck, to fight for the podium. We are behind Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren, while in the case do not take any special factors such as rain. Podium for the Mercedes would be a very good result, our maximum, to which we can hope for. But for me personally it wouldn't mean too much because I have other tasks.

- But you must be bored of champagne ...
- I'm here to succeed with the team, it is our goal. Just climb on the podium - it's not too important.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 14:16

Just have. There's no way there was any conspiracy to get Rosberg ahead. That was a fair fight and Rosberg was ahead until the wheels fell off.

It's plain to see and hear over the radio.

Team chief strategist admit they made mistake to put Michael behind Nico after the pit stop. So this was their plan. No fair fight, only team plan nothing less. Everyone see what happen there, websites see it too and ask questions. But, this was discussed a lot ,go back and read. Fair fight in the team mean if both drivers have their own strategy , in MGP team drivers have one strategy with roles in it. Check MGP thread for second part of The art of Strategy.

Edited by ivand911, 02 November 2010 - 14:18.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 15:45

Schumacher is consistently lapping faster (around 0.5 seconds or so) than Rosberg while they are holding their relative positions and his tyres aren't going off or suffering from graining. The gap is growing lap by lap. Schumacher is then brought in and Rosberg just gets ahead of him at the pit stops.


Eh? If I read that right, then your logic is a little flawed.

1. Rosberg is ahead of Schumacher on the road
2. Rosberg pits and falls behind Schumacher on the road
3. Schumacher is lapping quicker than Rosberg
4. Schumacher pits and comes out behind Rosberg

My analysis of that is that Schumacher didn't make up enough time to get out in front of Rosberg, not that the team 'engineered' it. Was Schumacher held in the box to make this happen, because otherwise it seem to me that it was up to him to deliver fast laps on track to get ahead.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 15:47

My analysis of that is that Schumacher didn't make up enough time to get out in front of Rosberg, not that the team 'engineered' it. Was Schumacher held in the box to make this happen, because otherwise it seem to me that it was up to him to deliver fast laps on track to get ahead.



He was called in too early. Even Merc admitted it (since it was obvious). What is there to discuss?

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 15:51

Team chief strategist admit they made mistake to put Michael behind Nico after the pit stop. So this was their plan. No fair fight, only team plan nothing less. Everyone see what happen there, websites see it too and ask questions. But, this was discussed a lot ,go back and read. Fair fight in the team mean if both drivers have their own strategy , in MGP team drivers have one strategy with roles in it. Check MGP thread for second part of The art of Strategy.


Mistake or Plan, it can't be both.

I've not seen any evidence that MGP are favouring ROS. He may have made better of his pit strategies but to suggest Ross Brawn or MGP are deliberately putting him ahead of MSC is disingenuous.

The way MSC was allowed to hassle ROS after the pit and the instruction that he is free to attack and ROS won't do anything silly, is directly contradictory of a contrived plan to favour ROS. Brundle called it too.

What is your evidence that MGP have one strategy with roles?



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Posted 02 November 2010 - 15:52

Eh? If I read that right, then your logic is a little flawed.

1. Rosberg is ahead of Schumacher on the road
2. Rosberg pits and falls behind Schumacher on the road
3. Schumacher is lapping quicker than Rosberg
4. Schumacher pits and comes out behind Rosberg

My analysis of that is that Schumacher didn't make up enough time to get out in front of Rosberg, not that the team 'engineered' it. Was Schumacher held in the box to make this happen, because otherwise it seem to me that it was up to him to deliver fast laps on track to get ahead.

team admitted to it already you can debate all you like

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 16:07

team admitted to it already you can debate all you like


The team admitted they did it deliberately? - mucho respect to MGP for honesty.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 16:32

would'nt it be an ideal scenario if in these last 2 gps that Schumacher PREVENTS Alonso the title ?

Imagine this , Webber (or) Vettel are in front , Alonso needs to be in 3rd or 4th to win the title (supposedly) but Schumacher makes his way in front Fernando Alonso ....

Martin brundle : '' Alonso has to pass Schumacher if he wants to win this year's championship ....If only he can get past that Mercedes , the 2010 title is his .... Last lap here in Abu Dabi and 2010 title decider, Schumacher defending the line brilliantly out of the exit ,oh Alonso tries the inside but Schumacher denies him !! Great Stuff ... Wow !! Here's Mark Webber crossing the line and wins but aint over yet - Alonso has to pass Michael Schumacher if he wants his 3rd title .... Last 3 corners are coming up - Schumacher feels the pressure from Fernando but he is'nt making it easy for the Spaniard .... Last corner - Schumacher and Alonso fighting it hard --- ooohh here's Michael Schumacher crossing the line and finishes 4th if front .... Alonso is NOT the 2010 champion .... ''


Now that would be a DREAM scenario to end the 2010 season .... :up:

Maybe we will all get lucky and that CAN happen .... Crossing my fingers :cool:

Edited by 7timesbetterthantherest, 02 November 2010 - 16:36.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 16:47

Eh? If I read that right, then your logic is a little flawed.

1. Rosberg is ahead of Schumacher on the road
2. Rosberg pits and falls behind Schumacher on the road
3. Schumacher is lapping quicker than Rosberg
4. Schumacher pits and comes out behind Rosberg

My analysis of that is that Schumacher didn't make up enough time to get out in front of Rosberg, not that the team 'engineered' it. Was Schumacher held in the box to make this happen, because otherwise it seem to me that it was up to him to deliver fast laps on track to get ahead.

Your logic is flawed, Nico use SC for his pitstop, so he didn't lose time to Michael. If he pit without SC , Michael would pass him very easy at his pitstop. Point 1. is not correct , it was Michael ahead of Nico(he jump Nico at the start, again). Did you watch the race at all?

Edited by ivand911, 02 November 2010 - 17:02.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 16:53

would'nt it be an ideal scenario if in these last 2 gps that Schumacher PREVENTS Alonso the title ?

Imagine this , Webber (or) Vettel are in front , Alonso needs to be in 3rd or 4th to win the title (supposedly) but Schumacher makes his way in front Fernando Alonso ....

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Now that would be a DREAM scenario to end the 2010 season .... :up:

Maybe we will all get lucky and that CAN happen .... Crossing my fingers :cool:


It would almost be as if MS won the title himself :);)

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 17:08

would'nt it be an ideal scenario if in these last 2 gps that Schumacher PREVENTS Alonso the title ?

Imagine this , Webber (or) Vettel are in front , Alonso needs to be in 3rd or 4th to win the title (supposedly) but Schumacher makes his way in front Fernando Alonso ....

Martin brundle : '' Alonso has to pass Schumacher if he wants to win this year's championship ....If only he can get past that Mercedes , the 2010 title is his .... Last lap here in Abu Dabi and 2010 title decider, Schumacher defending the line brilliantly out of the exit ,oh Alonso tries the inside but Schumacher denies him !! Great Stuff ... Wow !! Here's Mark Webber crossing the line and wins but aint over yet - Alonso has to pass Michael Schumacher if he wants his 3rd title .... Last 3 corners are coming up - Schumacher feels the pressure from Fernando but he is'nt making it easy for the Spaniard .... Last corner - Schumacher and Alonso fighting it hard --- ooohh and there is Alonso coming around the outside, brillant stuff. What an overtake to finish it... Alonso is the the 2010 champion! Mark Webber holds his head..


Now that would be a DREAM scenario to end the 2010 season .... :up:


I will fix it for you. Mercedes and Schumacher can only dream of being close to Alonso in the race, unless Alonso makes a mistake or gets a grid penalty.

But do you think Schumacher can fight for the title next year? (if he stays ofcourse) We can expect a strong Mercedes next year, they have begon developing next years car a long time ago, one would say.





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Posted 02 November 2010 - 17:15

Mistake or Plan, it can't be both.

I've not seen any evidence that MGP are favouring ROS. He may have made better of his pit strategies but to suggest Ross Brawn or MGP are deliberately putting him ahead of MSC is disingenuous.

The way MSC was allowed to hassle ROS after the pit and the instruction that he is free to attack and ROS won't do anything silly, is directly contradictory of a contrived plan to favour ROS. Brundle called it too.

What is your evidence that MGP have one strategy with roles?

Did you read The art of Strategy(in MGP thread) from MGP team strategist. He is doing team strategy alone. Tell me now how one man will make competitive strategy for the both drivers(they to fight each other)? In Japan Nico lose places and team quickly find way to help him, at Michael cost. They were in similar position in Singapore, but did they use first SC to pit Michael to improve his strategy(like Webber did)? No ,they didn't, because this way he can jump Nico which was not the plan. Guys if you don't see it Mercedes board wanted 6th(7th) place in WDC for Nico. To say, we beat one Ferrari or Kubica. This is the plan for 7th in the next two races. You will see the proof there again. In Germany Nico jump Michael again in the pit, it is strange because they were only ones who change the places in top 10. And they are team mates. Strange? Nico did 10 laps more only with this purpose. Michael said that plan was to have longer first stint , but after he jump Nico at the start they change his strategy for worst.


#7369 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 17:18

The team admitted they did it deliberately? - mucho respect to MGP for honesty.


The team admitted to an 'error', yes. Not the first 'error' we've since with Schumacher and strategies this season though.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 17:32

OK, so this threads pretty much one big argument, wish people would chillax a little. :p :smoking:

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 17:55

Michael Schumacher might have a new race engineer. Autosport magazine F1 Editor Edd Straw tweeted this:

@eddstrawF1:For anyone wanting to know who Michael Schumacher's new race engineer next year is, please consult page 13 of the current AUTOSPORT mag

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 18:02

Did you read The art of Strategy(in MGP thread) from MGP team strategist. He is doing team strategy alone. Tell me now how one man will make competitive strategy for the both drivers(they to fight each other)? In Japan Nico lose places and team quickly find way to help him, at Michael cost. They were in similar position in Singapore, but did they use first SC to pit Michael to improve his strategy(like Webber did)? No ,they didn't, because this way he can jump Nico which was not the plan. Guys if you don't see it Mercedes board wanted 6th(7th) place in WDC for Nico. To say, we beat one Ferrari or Kubica. This is the plan for 7th in the next two races. You will see the proof there again. In Germany Nico jump Michael again in the pit, it is strange because they were only ones who change the places in top 10. And they are team mates. Strange? Nico did 10 laps more only with this purpose. Michael said that plan was to have longer first stint , but after he jump Nico at the start they change his strategy for worst.


OK I've read it.

It doesn't say he is doing team strategy alone.

It doesn't say one man is making strategies for both drivers.

It doesn't say anything about plans to jump Nico ahead of Michael.

It doesn't say anything about plans for Nico to finish 7th.

There is no evidence MGP is favouring Nico.



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Posted 02 November 2010 - 18:21

OK I've read it.

It doesn't say he is doing team strategy alone.

It doesn't say one man is making strategies for both drivers.

It doesn't say anything about plans to jump Nico ahead of Michael.

It doesn't say anything about plans for Nico to finish 7th.

There is no evidence MGP is favouring Nico.

http://www.f1fanatic...ont-of-rosberg/
The art of Strategy is only about how team operate. Did you see him speaking about people who make different strategy for drivers? I didn't see. But he say:"Ross of course who is very level headed and a good man to talk to during a race, and finally Shov and Jock (our race engineers) who feedback the information coming from the drivers very quickly and react to the decisions I make". About plans Nico to get 7th in next races I said it. They will do everything to take 7th from Kubica.
The same website was wondering: http://www.f1fanatic...-prix-analysis/

Edited by ivand911, 02 November 2010 - 18:29.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 18:26

It would almost be as if MS won the title himself :);)

haha .. so true :up:

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 18:43

http://www.f1fanatic...ont-of-rosberg/
The art of Strategy is only about how team operate. Did you see him speaking about people who make different strategy for drivers? I didn't see. But he say:"Ross of course who is very level headed and a good man to talk to during a race, and finally Shov and Jock (our race engineers) who feedback the information coming from the drivers very quickly and react to the decisions I make". About plans Nico to get 7th in next races I said it. They will do everything to take 7th from Kubica.
The same website was wondering: http://www.f1fanatic...-prix-analysis/


Exactly, so there are several people involved in the strategy JUST during the race, I'd imagine dozens behind the scenes.

I'm sure Nico and MGP would love to overtake KUB but there's no evidence they have been favouring ROS up to now.

That F1fanatic article suggests they made a mistake which actually disproves any ROS favouritism rather than confirming it.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 18:49

Exactly, so there are several people involved in the strategy JUST during the race, I'd imagine dozens behind the scenes.

I'm sure Nico and MGP would love to overtake KUB but there's no evidence they have been favouring ROS up to now.

That F1fanatic article suggests they made a mistake which actually disproves any ROS favouritism rather than confirming it.

They only suggest this:"Then there are more cynical explanations. Rosberg went into the race six points behind Felipe Massa in the drivers’ standings and would have passed him had he finished in the sixth place he held before his wheel failed. How much do Mercedes want to get one of their cars ahead of a Ferrari in the drivers’ championship?"


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 19:02

They only suggest this:"Then there are more cynical explanations. Rosberg went into the race six points behind Felipe Massa in the drivers’ standings and would have passed him had he finished in the sixth place he held before his wheel failed. How much do Mercedes want to get one of their cars ahead of a Ferrari in the drivers’ championship?"


I can't see that quote so don't have the context but from the small snippet here they're saying the conspiracy theory is the more cycnical explanation, in other words, they made a mistake is the far more likely explanation.

Look, if you want to believe it please do, I can't PROVE that its not happening. But the evidence overwhelmingly is that there has been no favouritism toward nico or team orders in his favour.

This should probably be in the MGP thread, should it?

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 19:16

Michael Schumacher might have a new race engineer. Autosport magazine F1 Editor Edd Straw tweeted this:

@eddstrawF1:For anyone wanting to know who Michael Schumacher's new race engineer next year is, please consult page 13 of the current AUTOSPORT mag

Does Schumacher, the Oracle of Auto Racing and Race Strategy Master Tactician of all times and all dimensions, the one and only, uber alles, needs a racing engineer ? :eek:

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 20:26

Does Schumacher, the Oracle of Auto Racing and Race Strategy Master Tactician of all times and all dimensions, the one and only, uber alles, needs a racing engineer ? :eek:

He needs a more intelligent one, one that is on the same great level as him, the current one doesn't work.;)

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 20:50

Still the fact is that even this Transformers Schumacher gets beaten by his journeyman teammate.

#7381 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 21:47

Eh? If I read that right, then your logic is a little flawed.

1. Rosberg is ahead of Schumacher on the road
2. Rosberg pits and falls behind Schumacher on the road
3. Schumacher is lapping quicker than Rosberg
4. Schumacher pits and comes out behind Rosberg

My analysis of that is that Schumacher didn't make up enough time to get out in front of Rosberg, not that the team 'engineered' it. Was Schumacher held in the box to make this happen, because otherwise it seem to me that it was up to him to deliver fast laps on track to get ahead.


Ok, why was Schumacher pitted? His tyres hadn't gone off. He wasn't losing time. He was still lapping faster than Rosberg. There is no logical reason why Schumacher should have pitted when he did.

Even the team admitted to ballsing it up.

The faster driver ended up being stuck behind the slower driver for 23 laps. When the slower driver crashed out, the faster driver immediately began lapping 1.5 seconds faster.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 02 November 2010 - 21:48.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 21:50

I can't see that quote so don't have the context but from the small snippet here they're saying the conspiracy theory is the more cycnical explanation, in other words, they made a mistake is the far more likely explanation.

Look, if you want to believe it please do, I can't PROVE that its not happening. But the evidence overwhelmingly is that there has been no favouritism toward nico or team orders in his favour.

This should probably be in the MGP thread, should it?

It is end of this article: http://www.f1fanatic...-prix-analysis/
Before lap chart. I don't see context here it is just ending. I don't say Michael don't know what is going on. I am sure he could gladly help the team. And if they want Nico maximum forward in WDC(which is very normal) I don't have problem to believe it, and that they can do something about it. I didn't see any evidence that they tried to improve Michael results, where about Nico it is opposite. If this website want explanation from MGP about strategy, then they have something in mind. Or they do it because they are Michael fans? Every one can see that strategy was stupid in Japan. How they put fastest car behind slower, where with only 1-2 laps Michael could pass Nico clean in the pit? Team explanation is far from reality, for what they use their computers? When they make 100000 scenarios?

Edited by ivand911, 02 November 2010 - 21:50.


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 22:10

Eh? If I read that right, then your logic is a little flawed.

1. Rosberg is ahead of Schumacher on the road
2. Rosberg pits and falls behind Schumacher on the road

when 2 happened 1 was not valid anymore ;)

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:28

Without speaking of anyone in particular (including myself), the tendency in this thread got proven again:

When Michael has an abysmal showing on the track, abysmal posts in great quantity follow.

When Michael has an average showing on the track (like in Suzuka and Korea), average posts in moderate quantities follow.

(When Michael has great results on the track, a great number of both great and abysmal posts follow - we didn't have that category yet in 2010).

For some of the younger guys here on the BB it seems that Michael's showing in Suzuka and Korea was great, but, please excuse me, we are speaking about a man who won 91 GPs and 7 WDCs.
So I am still waiting for Michael to resume his great performances, other than that we will have to suffice with some average or controversial post here on the BB.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:40

Without speaking of anyone in particular (including myself), the tendency in this thread got proven again:

When Michael has an abysmal showing on the track, abysmal posts in great quantity follow.

When Michael has an average showing on the track (like in Suzuka and Korea), average posts in moderate quantities follow.

(When Michael has great results on the track, a great number of both great and abysmal posts follow - we didn't have that category yet in 2010).

For some of the younger guys here on the BB it seems that Michael's showing in Suzuka and Korea was great, but, please excuse me, we are speaking about a man who won 91 GPs and 7 WDCs.
So I am still waiting for Michael to resume his great performances, other than that we will have to suffice with some average or controversial post here on the BB.

It is not great year for Michael. But, for me it is OK year, I am personally happy that Michael is back in F1 again. What more to ask , I have good memories from this year, will have good ones next year for sure. As I said for me Michael on the track is much better that him on Ferrari stand. F1 is so much interesting for me this year. And I didn't even notice who is the winner some times. And it is not like Michael is only responsible for not becoming world champion again this year. I am even happy about this 2-3 threads in this forum about him.
It is fun. :wave:


#7386 aditya-now

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:43

It is not great year for Michael. But, for me it is OK year, I am personally happy that Michael is back in F1 again. What more to ask , I have good memories from this year, will have good ones next year for sure. As I said for me Michael on the track is much better that him on Ferrari stand. F1 is so much interesting for me this year. And I didn't even notice who is the winner some times. And it is not like Michael is only responsible for not becoming world champion again this year. I am even happy about this 2-3 threads in this forum about him.
It is fun. :wave:


I am happy that you have fun, Ivan! And the fun will be still greater if and when Michael starts to win again in 2011! (for both friend and foe :smoking: )

This Saturday I am flying to Sofia, Sunday Sofia-Plovdiv, Monday/Tuesday Varna, Wednesday Sofia - yoohoo, I will be in your country again!


#7387 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:46

Without speaking of anyone in particular (including myself), the tendency in this thread got proven again:

When Michael has an abysmal showing on the track, abysmal posts in great quantity follow.

When Michael has an average showing on the track (like in Suzuka and Korea), average posts in moderate quantities follow.

(When Michael has great results on the track, a great number of both great and abysmal posts follow - we didn't have that category yet in 2010).

For some of the younger guys here on the BB it seems that Michael's showing in Suzuka and Korea was great, but, please excuse me, we are speaking about a man who won 91 GPs and 7 WDCs.
So I am still waiting for Michael to resume his great performances, other than that we will have to suffice with some average or controversial post here on the BB.


Aditya, I agree; a driver of Schumacher's calibre shouldn't be driving around for 4th position. Infact, I don't thnk Schumacher himself takes any great pleasure for himself for it either.

Still however, it is a marked improvement from some earlier showings this year where people wanted him fired and even jailed (for attempted murder :lol:) for some poor performances. He's also scored twice in a row now, a 'best of the rest' position after the WDC challengers.

The progression is what I am happy about, rather than the actual 4th place itself. We know the car isn't good enough, we know Schumacher has lost the ultimate speed (age, testing, circumstances, being rusty or whatever the reason may be) but at least he isn't embarrasing himself anymore. He deserves his place in F1 but I fear it will always be a losing battle; a man who achieved so much is expected to achieve so much again, not picking up the odd point here and there.

Still, as long as the trend continues, I'm happy.

#7388 Raziel

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 14:46

Schumacher to have new race engineer in 2011

Mark Slade! He worked with famous Finns Heikki Kovalainen, Kimi Raikkonen and Mika Hakkinen! Holy sh%t! :smoking:

#7389 Urawa

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:05

Good choice I think as Dyer is/was not available(?)

#7390 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 23:24

Dyer is commited to Ferrari for the long term.

#7391 cheapracer

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 09:34

Aditya, I agree; a driver of Schumacher's calibre shouldn't be driving around for 4th position. Infact, I don't thnk Schumacher himself takes any great pleasure for himself for it either.


The question is is the Benz capable of better than 4th in those races, MS (or Rosberg) didn't look better than 4th for those races and not through their driving.

#7392 DanardiF1

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 09:57

The question is is the Benz capable of better than 4th in those races, MS (or Rosberg) didn't look better than 4th for those races and not through their driving.


I don't think so... Michael has driven superbly the last two races... his only 'error' was to not be more aggressive on Rosberg in Japan before he lost the edge on his tyres... he might've got close to the ailing Hamilton if not for that...

#7393 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:13

I don't think so... Michael has driven superbly the last two races... his only 'error' was to not be more aggressive on Rosberg in Japan before he lost the edge on his tyres... he might've got close to the ailing Hamilton if not for that...


Indeed, Hamilton was some 20+ seconds up the road from Schumacher in Suzuka. I'd wager a guess that that is probably the amount of time he lost behind Nico.

#7394 DanardiF1

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:25

Indeed, Hamilton was some 20+ seconds up the road from Schumacher in Suzuka. I'd wager a guess that that is probably the amount of time he lost behind Nico.


It'd be close... I expected Michael to come good at one of the 'classic' circuits this year... Spa and Monza weren't great but I hoped to see a good performance from him at one of the better circuits on the calendar... the ones where the driver can really make a difference.

#7395 aditya-now

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 11:06

It'd be close... I expected Michael to come good at one of the 'classic' circuits this year... Spa and Monza weren't great but I hoped to see a good performance from him at one of the better circuits on the calendar... the ones where the driver can really make a difference.


Let´s not forget that Michael´s last real star performance came exactly on that circuit: Interlagos, 2006.

#7396 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 16:53

http://www.formula1....0/10/11393.html

Q: What was your worst-ever buy?
MS: That changes with every fashion change.

Q: What was the most embarrassing mistake you have made?
MS: Choose one.

Some welcome humility from Michael :)

#7397 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 17:37

Let´s not forget that Michael´s last real star performance came exactly on that circuit: Interlagos, 2006.


I expect Schumacher to put in another great performance in Brazil too.

Abu Dhabi I'm not too sure about.

#7398 ivand911

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:11

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#7399 salamin

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:27

nice, thanks

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:29

Q: When was the last time you were really furious?
MS: Really, really furious? In Spa, 1998 [when he crashed into the rear of David Coulthard’s McLaren while leading a very wet Belgian Grand Prix. Coulthard was a lap down and Schumacher blamed the Scot for the incident.]



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