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#7801 Szoelloe

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 18:54

nothing new in that, was always obvious that the whole fuss was created by Barichello himself. That is why they don't like him at Ferrari. He just didn't keep his word, adn never stopped whining ever since.

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#7802 Diablobb81

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 19:38

Well the whole " we were never friends" thing was very, very strange but i didn't expect that the paper would simply invent an article supposedly written by Mika. Bah...

#7803 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 08:09

Newspapers sometimes have a habit of 'inventing' quotes and stories, then sitting back and revelling in their handiwork when friendships are destroyed and lives turned upside down.

#7804 Raelene

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 10:52

Mika didn't say that. The newspaper has apologised and will no longer work with reporter

#7805 Raelene

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 10:57

Mika Hakkinen has denied calling Michael Schumacher a 'tragic ex-hero' after the newspaper attributing the comments to him apologised.

This week, the Finn was quoted by Munich newspaper TZ as saying Michael Schumacher had made "a ridiculous mistake" at the start of the recent Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and should retire immediately.

TZ has now issued an apology and correction, admitting that the column had not been authorised by double world champion Hakkinen.

"The statements attributed to Mr Hakkinen, particularly in relation to Michael Schumacher, were not true and were not authorised. We regret this and apologise to our readers, to Mika Hakkinen and Michael Schumacher, and as a consequence we are no longer working with the staff member concerned."

#7806 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 11:25

Shocker.

#7807 Wheels23

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 11:32

Newspapers sometimes have a habit of 'inventing' quotes and stories, then sitting back and revelling in their handiwork when friendships are destroyed and lives turned upside down.


They do what needs to catch their market's attention and more readers equals more market share. So misquoting is common and that's why you rarely take the media seriously when it comes to sport.

Well I hope Michael does well next year. He is has that mentally in an athlete that I love, 'take no prisoners' approach even though I can see where people really don't like that approach.

#7808 as65p

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 16:18

From the frontpage:

Mercedes had struggled to adapt to the performance of the front Bridgestones this season, and this issue cited as a major factor in Michael Schumacher's disappointing comeback.

Asked by AUTOSPORT how the feeling from the Pirellis compared, Rosberg replied: "It's worse."

He explained that the front tyre felt 'weaker' than the Bridgestone had been.

"So that's not a good thing for me. I'll cope with it - I've adapted in the past years so I'll manage," said Rosberg. "They are at least similar [to the Bridgestones] or worse."


So, will MS announce his 2nd retirement before or after christmas, and who will get the seat alongside Rosberg?

#7809 George Costanza

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 16:23

Well, of course it's gonna be worse.... Pirelli needs more time, obviously.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 16:33

Well, of course it's gonna be worse.... Pirelli needs more time, obviously.

and car had a wrong weight distribution and probably even wronger for these tyres..

the grip could be fine on the new car and the tyres will probably change alot

#7811 merschu

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 17:27

James Allen says:

Many reported that the front tyres were more positive in braking and turn in than this year’s Bridgestones which is likely to be good news for drivers like Michael Schumacher and Felipe Massa who struggled with that this year. I imagine both of them are feeling quite relieved tonight, although Schumacher has yet to try them as it was Rosberg’s turn today. Rosberg wasn’t as positive about the tyres as others, telling Autosport that he felt the tyres were “weaker” than the Bridgestones.


And Ross Brawn said:

“Whilst a lot of details remain to be understood, we feel that we have gained an initial understanding of the operational requirements of the two compounds that we have and have highlighted some important areas for investigation and improvement,” said Mercedes boss Ross Brawn. ” We have been lucky to have been able to get exposure to the Pirelli tyres at a track with which we are now very familiar and in conditions that we will not experience again until the final test of the season in Bahrain. Michael watched today’s proceedings with great interest and is looking forward to experiencing the tyres for himself tomorrow.”


http://www.jamesalle...positive-start/

Edited by merschu, 19 November 2010 - 17:28.


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Posted 19 November 2010 - 17:33

Well, of course it's gonna be worse.... Pirelli needs more time, obviously.


Obviously. Still, it appears from Rosbergs comments that the basic characteristics of the front tyre aren't that different to the Bridgestones.

And I think Pirelli will spend their time maximizing durability and above all safety, instead of changing that base characteristics to suit a particular group of drivers.

#7813 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 17:34

There could be a role reversal at Mercedes in 2011. Maybe.

Or maybe Rosberg is playing mindgames already.....

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 17:47

That Mika story is hilarious stuff,amazed anyone-even a retard-would go to that extent to make a story up.


As for the Pirellis: all today's running suggested is Rosberg+W01+Pirelli = same old understeering wreck. Massa's style is more similar to Michael's,so it shouldn't be that bad..

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 18:03

Or maybe Rosberg is playing mindgames already.....


I thought that too, especially after seeing all the other drivers opinions of the tyres. As well as seeing Massa topping the time sheets (just testing I know, but combined with the other drivers comments...)

Edit: Then again we get the idea that Mercedes is a real dog... so maybe we can't concluded anything until they run their 2011 car. Which we have our fingers crossed for.

Edited by RedBaron, 19 November 2010 - 18:04.


#7816 ivand911

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 19:26

Tomorrow is important day, hope Michael will have something positive to say after the test.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 22:12

That Mika story is hilarious stuff,amazed anyone-even a retard-would go to that extent to make a story up.


As for the Pirellis: all today's running suggested is Rosberg+W01+Pirelli = same old understeering wreck. Massa's style is more similar to Michael's,so it shouldn't be that bad..



:up:

Although i am neither a Massa or Michael´s fan, your observation is the main or the only concrete thing thus far.

#7818 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 05:11

I wonder whose feedback the team will listen to, assuming they both have different perspectives on the Pirellis;

The 7 time WDC or the 4 time podium achiever.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:39

I thought that too, especially after seeing all the other drivers opinions of the tyres. As well as seeing Massa topping the time sheets (just testing I know, but combined with the other drivers comments...)

Edit: Then again we get the idea that Mercedes is a real dog... so maybe we can't concluded anything until they run their 2011 car. Which we have our fingers crossed for.



From the James Allen web ... http://www.jamesalle...positive-start/

Many reported that the front tyres were more positive in braking and turn in than this year’s Bridgestones which is likely to be good news for drivers like Michael Schumacher and Felipe Massa who struggled with that this year.


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#7820 Johnrambo

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:50

I wonder whose feedback the team will listen to, assuming they both have different perspectives on the Pirellis;

The 7 time WDC or the 4 time podium achiever.


If they don't get sentimental or biased they will listen to the teams completely superior driver - Rosberg.

#7821 Sof1

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:54

MSC's times this morning on the Pirellis was nothing spectacular. Sounds like the Pirellis are like the Bridgestones.

Edited by Sof1, 20 November 2010 - 09:55.


#7822 MCh000

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:55

I wonder whose feedback the team will listen to, assuming they both have different perspectives on the Pirellis;

The 7 time WDC or the 4 time podium achiever.


If they are sane they will listen to a man who said that the car is not good enough after tests in February and will always be cautious when listening to a man, who said that this is a winning car after the same tests.

#7823 eoin

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:11

MSC's times this morning on the Pirellis was nothing spectacular. Sounds like the Pirellis are like the Bridgestones.


A lot of the problem is with the car design which couldn't be addressed this year. Also given that Pirelli are in F1 for good PR it will be in there interest to turn up in Bahrain with a tyre that drivers like so if drivers want more front end grip then I am sure management will put pressure on their engineers to do just that!

#7824 DanardiF1

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:12

MSC's times this morning on the Pirellis was nothing spectacular. Sounds like the Pirellis are like the Bridgestones.


Sounds like the car is the problem...

#7825 Sof1

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:22

Pirelli...Ferrari...they rhyme! lol

I sure hope that the tyres would not hinder MSC's next year's road to winning again.

Edited by Sof1, 20 November 2010 - 10:23.


#7826 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:34

Mika didn't say that. The newspaper has apologised and will no longer work with reporter



The link to TZ is also not working anymore - they took it offline. Very sad incident and typical of the media culture of today. Mika and Michael have too much respect for each other to ever have one of them say something like this in an interview about the other...

#7827 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:37

From the frontpage:

Mercedes had struggled to adapt to the performance of the front Bridgestones this season, and this issue cited as a major factor in Michael Schumacher's disappointing comeback.

Asked by AUTOSPORT how the feeling from the Pirellis compared, Rosberg replied: "It's worse."

He explained that the front tyre felt 'weaker' than the Bridgestone had been.

"So that's not a good thing for me. I'll cope with it - I've adapted in the past years so I'll manage," said Rosberg. "They are at least similar [to the Bridgestones] or worse."


So, will MS announce his 2nd retirement before or after christmas, and who will get the seat alongside Rosberg?


Let us see what Michael has to say after Saturday´s testing...



And I think Pirelli will spend their time maximizing durability and above all safety, instead of changing that base characteristics to suit a particular group of drivers.



That would be commendable indeed. I always found it unsporting when a tyre manufacturer suited their tyres to the needs of a particular driver.

Edited by aditya-now, 20 November 2010 - 12:40.


#7828 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:40

Hasn't Vettel come out saying the rear is weaker? Maybe Nico should relax, he won't have to drive this car next season.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:46

PB 1:41:757 for MS

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:47

Sounds like the car is the problem...


:up:


#7831 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:51

PB 1:41:757 for MS


That is not exactly setting the world on fire - over a sec behind Alonso. Well, we will only know when the Merc F1 2011 is out - Ross Brawn should be able to adapt after these tyre tests.


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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:57

http://www.gpupdate....167931/#/167893
http://www.gpupdate..../167922/#167922

Is he not sitting higher than normal?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:58

Best time now although shouldn´t mean much today

#7834 SpeedyS

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:59

http://www.f1today.n...na-circuit.html

Think he has just made a little statement...

#7835 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:02

http://www.f1today.n...na-circuit.html

Think he has just made a little statement...


Nice one! So we are on to something big in 2011, most possibly. A four way battle Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull/Mercedes, as was assumed for this year, could really materialize for next year.
Hence we will have another "best season in the history of the sport", as we have already three drivers as good as Senna in the present field! ;)

As for Michael - he certainly shows that he still has the fire.


#7836 salamin

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:30

looking forward for his positive feedback

#7837 MCh000

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:41

If you remember Brown said that Michael had one particular problem with Bridgestone, which is - from certain point the grip of the front tires didn't increase even if they applied more downforce to the front. Maybe Pirellis doesn't have this problem. But then again, if this was the case Rosberg would also be able to set up car accordingly and not complain about understeer. Lets wait for Michael's comments.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:41

Times don't mean much,of course,although I'm wondering if these sessions will highlight the difference in driving styles between the two drivers that a lot of people have been denying all along..

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:44

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88437

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:49

Positive news for Schumacher, I'm sure there will be a big smile on his face. Obviously too early to make judgements but he seems to have got to grips with the Pirelli's at this early stage.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 19:40

If the Mercedes car is no good if i was Schumacher id just cancel the comeback there is no point going out racing for 10th place. I say that as a fan of his this year was good to see him back but more of the same would just be waste for him.




#7842 Szoelloe

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 19:45

?? what do you know about the car?

#7843 finignig

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 20:25

Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but according to adam cooper, Schu’s fast time today is due to a trip across a chicane somewhere, he’s back down to 7th.

but still very excited to his positive feedback, bring on the new car and lets see how the package stands in february in his hands.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 21:16

Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but according to adam cooper, Schu’s fast time today is due to a trip across a chicane somewhere, he’s back down to 7th.

but still very excited to his positive feedback, bring on the new car and lets see how the package stands in february in his hands.



Thats what am waiting for and eager to see. He says 6 laps is all it will take to know if he can win in it. So maybe six laps is all he needs to see if its worth his while staying for 2011.

Edited by Massa_f1, 20 November 2010 - 21:16.


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Posted 20 November 2010 - 21:17

That's so weird :drunk:

Nico clocks 1:41:7 and thinks the tires are shaite.
Schumy does the same 1:41:7 and its promising.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 00:46

Well It isn't the final product yet but I hope the Pirelli's will work well for the Mercedes team. By that I mean the car works well with the tires.

#7847 aditya-now

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:48

That's so weird :drunk:

Nico clocks 1:41:7 and thinks the tires are shaite.
Schumy does the same 1:41:7 and its promising.


The glass that is half empty and the glass that is half full. Maybe Michael has a different level of expectations than Nico...


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 14:55

The glass that is half empty and the glass that is half full. Maybe Michael has a different level of expectations than Nico...

Roseberg has never been a front runner, he know nothing about what it takes to win yet.

he's just playing mind games a little, but I don't think he has a chance in this area. no experience and being edged out in the final races...he's just playing his cards

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 20:35

Roseberg has never been a front runner, he know nothing about what it takes to win yet.

he's just playing mind games a little, but I don't think he has a chance in this area. no experience and being edged out in the final races...he's just playing his cards


Agreed, just a promotional talk like at the beginning of the season. How quickly he have changed his point of view after Michael's comments - Yeah Mercedes will adapt, no problems here :D

Edited by MCh000, 21 November 2010 - 20:36.


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 21:14

Agreed, just a promotional talk like at the beginning of the season. How quickly he have changed his point of view after Michael's comments - Yeah Mercedes will adapt, no problems here :D

It was really funny how he changed his opinion. What happen on Sunday that make him rethink his view? But, we are OT here.

Edited by ivand911, 21 November 2010 - 21:15.