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#7801 Johnrambo

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:50

I wonder whose feedback the team will listen to, assuming they both have different perspectives on the Pirellis;

The 7 time WDC or the 4 time podium achiever.


If they don't get sentimental or biased they will listen to the teams completely superior driver - Rosberg.

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#7802 Sof1

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:54

MSC's times this morning on the Pirellis was nothing spectacular. Sounds like the Pirellis are like the Bridgestones.

Edited by Sof1, 20 November 2010 - 09:55.


#7803 MCh000

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:55

I wonder whose feedback the team will listen to, assuming they both have different perspectives on the Pirellis;

The 7 time WDC or the 4 time podium achiever.


If they are sane they will listen to a man who said that the car is not good enough after tests in February and will always be cautious when listening to a man, who said that this is a winning car after the same tests.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:11

MSC's times this morning on the Pirellis was nothing spectacular. Sounds like the Pirellis are like the Bridgestones.


A lot of the problem is with the car design which couldn't be addressed this year. Also given that Pirelli are in F1 for good PR it will be in there interest to turn up in Bahrain with a tyre that drivers like so if drivers want more front end grip then I am sure management will put pressure on their engineers to do just that!

#7805 DanardiF1

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:12

MSC's times this morning on the Pirellis was nothing spectacular. Sounds like the Pirellis are like the Bridgestones.


Sounds like the car is the problem...

#7806 Sof1

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:22

Pirelli...Ferrari...they rhyme! lol

I sure hope that the tyres would not hinder MSC's next year's road to winning again.

Edited by Sof1, 20 November 2010 - 10:23.


#7807 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:34

Mika didn't say that. The newspaper has apologised and will no longer work with reporter



The link to TZ is also not working anymore - they took it offline. Very sad incident and typical of the media culture of today. Mika and Michael have too much respect for each other to ever have one of them say something like this in an interview about the other...

#7808 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:37

From the frontpage:

Mercedes had struggled to adapt to the performance of the front Bridgestones this season, and this issue cited as a major factor in Michael Schumacher's disappointing comeback.

Asked by AUTOSPORT how the feeling from the Pirellis compared, Rosberg replied: "It's worse."

He explained that the front tyre felt 'weaker' than the Bridgestone had been.

"So that's not a good thing for me. I'll cope with it - I've adapted in the past years so I'll manage," said Rosberg. "They are at least similar [to the Bridgestones] or worse."


So, will MS announce his 2nd retirement before or after christmas, and who will get the seat alongside Rosberg?


Let us see what Michael has to say after Saturday´s testing...



And I think Pirelli will spend their time maximizing durability and above all safety, instead of changing that base characteristics to suit a particular group of drivers.



That would be commendable indeed. I always found it unsporting when a tyre manufacturer suited their tyres to the needs of a particular driver.

Edited by aditya-now, 20 November 2010 - 12:40.


#7809 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:40

Hasn't Vettel come out saying the rear is weaker? Maybe Nico should relax, he won't have to drive this car next season.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:46

PB 1:41:757 for MS

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:47

Sounds like the car is the problem...


:up:


#7812 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:51

PB 1:41:757 for MS


That is not exactly setting the world on fire - over a sec behind Alonso. Well, we will only know when the Merc F1 2011 is out - Ross Brawn should be able to adapt after these tyre tests.


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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:57

http://www.gpupdate....167931/#/167893
http://www.gpupdate..../167922/#167922

Is he not sitting higher than normal?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:58

Best time now although shouldn´t mean much today

#7815 SpeedyS

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:59

http://www.f1today.n...na-circuit.html

Think he has just made a little statement...

#7816 aditya-now

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:02

http://www.f1today.n...na-circuit.html

Think he has just made a little statement...


Nice one! So we are on to something big in 2011, most possibly. A four way battle Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull/Mercedes, as was assumed for this year, could really materialize for next year.
Hence we will have another "best season in the history of the sport", as we have already three drivers as good as Senna in the present field! ;)

As for Michael - he certainly shows that he still has the fire.


#7817 salamin

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:30

looking forward for his positive feedback

#7818 MCh000

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:41

If you remember Brown said that Michael had one particular problem with Bridgestone, which is - from certain point the grip of the front tires didn't increase even if they applied more downforce to the front. Maybe Pirellis doesn't have this problem. But then again, if this was the case Rosberg would also be able to set up car accordingly and not complain about understeer. Lets wait for Michael's comments.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:41

Times don't mean much,of course,although I'm wondering if these sessions will highlight the difference in driving styles between the two drivers that a lot of people have been denying all along..

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#7820 Urawa

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:44

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88437

:)

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:49

Positive news for Schumacher, I'm sure there will be a big smile on his face. Obviously too early to make judgements but he seems to have got to grips with the Pirelli's at this early stage.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 19:40

If the Mercedes car is no good if i was Schumacher id just cancel the comeback there is no point going out racing for 10th place. I say that as a fan of his this year was good to see him back but more of the same would just be waste for him.




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Posted 20 November 2010 - 19:45

?? what do you know about the car?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 20:25

Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but according to adam cooper, Schu’s fast time today is due to a trip across a chicane somewhere, he’s back down to 7th.

but still very excited to his positive feedback, bring on the new car and lets see how the package stands in february in his hands.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 21:16

Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but according to adam cooper, Schu’s fast time today is due to a trip across a chicane somewhere, he’s back down to 7th.

but still very excited to his positive feedback, bring on the new car and lets see how the package stands in february in his hands.



Thats what am waiting for and eager to see. He says 6 laps is all it will take to know if he can win in it. So maybe six laps is all he needs to see if its worth his while staying for 2011.

Edited by Massa_f1, 20 November 2010 - 21:16.


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Posted 20 November 2010 - 21:17

That's so weird :drunk:

Nico clocks 1:41:7 and thinks the tires are shaite.
Schumy does the same 1:41:7 and its promising.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 00:46

Well It isn't the final product yet but I hope the Pirelli's will work well for the Mercedes team. By that I mean the car works well with the tires.

#7828 aditya-now

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:48

That's so weird :drunk:

Nico clocks 1:41:7 and thinks the tires are shaite.
Schumy does the same 1:41:7 and its promising.


The glass that is half empty and the glass that is half full. Maybe Michael has a different level of expectations than Nico...


#7829 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 14:55

The glass that is half empty and the glass that is half full. Maybe Michael has a different level of expectations than Nico...

Roseberg has never been a front runner, he know nothing about what it takes to win yet.

he's just playing mind games a little, but I don't think he has a chance in this area. no experience and being edged out in the final races...he's just playing his cards

#7830 MCh000

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 20:35

Roseberg has never been a front runner, he know nothing about what it takes to win yet.

he's just playing mind games a little, but I don't think he has a chance in this area. no experience and being edged out in the final races...he's just playing his cards


Agreed, just a promotional talk like at the beginning of the season. How quickly he have changed his point of view after Michael's comments - Yeah Mercedes will adapt, no problems here :D

Edited by MCh000, 21 November 2010 - 20:36.


#7831 ivand911

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 21:14

Agreed, just a promotional talk like at the beginning of the season. How quickly he have changed his point of view after Michael's comments - Yeah Mercedes will adapt, no problems here :D

It was really funny how he changed his opinion. What happen on Sunday that make him rethink his view? But, we are OT here.

Edited by ivand911, 21 November 2010 - 21:15.


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Posted 23 November 2010 - 07:55

What a great headline for Pirelli hey? ...

Pirellis 'seem to suit my style a bit more' - Schumacher


Roseberg has never been a front runner, he know nothing about what it takes to win yet.


You can say that after his performances this year?

He had one of the most balanced seasons of all the drivers, if he finished it was as where the car was expected to be or better with 3 podiums to boot.

Edited by cheapracer, 23 November 2010 - 07:58.


#7833 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 09:22

You can say that after his performances this year?

He had one of the most balanced seasons of all the drivers, if he finished it was as where the car was expected to be or better with 3 podiums to boot.

winning and consistently doing so is another job
there will be pressure to perform
he is very good but he didn't have any pressure from his team mate for half of the season, he didn't have any pressure to deliver


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Posted 23 November 2010 - 10:33

winning and consistently doing so is another job
there will be pressure to perform
he is very good but he didn't have any pressure from his team mate for half of the season, he didn't have any pressure to deliver

Maybe Rosberg is so laid back and confident that he was never under pressure, but I don't think he expected pitting himself against a 7xWDC was going to be easy.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 11:17

Maybe Rosberg is so laid back and confident that he was never under pressure, but I don't think he expected pitting himself against a 7xWDC was going to be easy.

i expect hes not so confident about next year after the last few races, if schumachers starts well im wondering if we will see a different rosberg thats error prone

#7836 MCh000

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 11:48

Not to take anything from Rosberg, but we can only talk about Rosberg's true potential when he will have a season like Vettel's. This year was very comfortable for Rosberg - no pressure to win and struggling teammate.

But the most important thing that this is Michael's thread :D

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 12:02

Roseberg has never been a front runner, he know nothing about what it takes to win yet.


He has been a front runner and won in plenty of other series. Do you really think it's that much different in F1?


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Posted 23 November 2010 - 12:10

He has been a front runner and won in plenty of other series. Do you really think it's that much different in F1?


Yes it is. Obviously I don't know from personal experience, but just by what we've seen in the past Formula 1 is a whole new ball game.

You see many many drivers who have thrashed opponents and won convincingly in other lower formula, come into Formula 1 and crack under the pressure. Look at Lewis Hamilton in his first year. He lost that championship because of the pressure... yet he'd won races and championships before. It takes time and experience of running at the front in Formula 1 to be able to hack it race in race out.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 12:15

Yes it is. Obviously I don't know from personal experience, but just by what we've seen in the past Formula 1 is a whole new ball game.

You see many many drivers who have thrashed opponents and won convincingly in other lower formula, come into Formula 1 and crack under the pressure. Look at Lewis Hamilton in his first year. He lost that championship because of the pressure... yet he'd won races and championships before. It takes time and experience of running at the front in Formula 1 to be able to hack it race in race out.


Well I disagree that LH cracked, but lets not get into that one. Until NR has a car capable of winning and bottles it, I'll choose to believe he does know how to win.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 12:25

winning and consistently doing so is another job
there will be pressure to perform
he is very good but he didn't have any pressure from his team mate for half of the season, he didn't have any pressure to deliver


Schumacher never had pressure from his teammate with his #1 status


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Posted 23 November 2010 - 12:27

I don't see how winning is any harder than finishing tenth. You could race your but off every lap of the race and finish tenth, or you could control it to cruise to a win.

The hardest thing in racing is getting the most out of the car. If your car is a winning car and you win, how is that any harder than finishing 15th if that is the best your car is capable of? Both require you to push hard and keep cool. I suppose someone could argue it is the extra pressure of being up front, but pressure is relative. Fighting for your seat every race at the back of the grid can't be any less pressure than fighting for a win. At the front a mistake could cost you a win, while at the back a mistake could cost you your career.

I'm sure almost any of these drivers could be race winners if given the right car. For example, when was the last full time Ferrari or McLaren driver who didn't win at least one race. Chances are it was their first win as well.

In short, give Rosberg a winning car and he will win. He has proven he can bring a car home in a satisfactory position, so why wouldn't he bring a winning car home in first place?



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Posted 23 November 2010 - 12:50

Schumacher never had pressure from his teammate with his #1 status

he has won 7 WDC and came pretty close to winning other 2

he knows what the pressure to be on top looks like. he know what is needed for a car/team/driver combo to be successful.
For Nico if the car is good enough for 3rd, 2nd or 4th it's pretty much the same. up until now at least

#7843 ivand911

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 14:10

The Driver’s Briefing with Michael
http://www.mercedes-...hael schumacher
If you ask where the drivers are during the race weekend, you are generally given the standard reply: “They’re in a briefing.” Michael explains to us what these ominous-sounding ‘briefings’ involve and the extent to which a modern driver also needs to be something of an engineer.

“Each race weekend starts with a general briefing to review our current situation,” says Michael.


And,can we stop with this Nico BS here? Wrong Thread!!!!!!! I feel bad for Nico, because he don't have even one real fan to start thread about him. But, this thread is not for discussing Nico achievements.

Edited by Buttoneer, 23 November 2010 - 14:19.
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 14:42

The Driver’s Briefing with Michael
http://www.mercedes-...hael schumacher
If you ask where the drivers are during the race weekend, you are generally given the standard reply: “They’re in a briefing.” Michael explains to us what these ominous-sounding ‘briefings’ involve and the extent to which a modern driver also needs to be something of an engineer.

“Each race weekend starts with a general briefing to review our current situation,” says Michael.


And,can we stop with this Nico BS here? Wrong Thread!!!!!!! I feel bad for Nico, because he don't have even one real fan to start thread about him. But, this thread is not for discussing Nico achievements.


Nothing to stop you starting one.

#7845 ivand911

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 14:54

Nothing to stop you starting one.

And to say what? I am starting this thread, because I want all Nico fans to get out of Michael thread? It is not good starting post. I guess. :)


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Posted 23 November 2010 - 15:09

Well, one season in for Michael and here's my perspective.

First up, I was a huge Schumacher fan during his first stint in the sport. Unlike a lot of his fans (judging from this thread), since he left I have moved on to another driver. Sorry Michael, you were gone that long that like Helen Hunt in Castaway I'd gone and married the dentist and whilst I've still got a huge soft spot for you I've gone and had a kid (WDC) with that dentist whilst you were gone and I can't give up on that. Rubbish, huh? At least you had the volleyball.

In short hand: mark me down as wanting Schumacher to succed second time round but not being nearly as emotionally invested in it as before. I enjoyed it first time round hugely, and nothing that happened second time round could spoil that. So a relatively dispassionate but definitely friendly/kind observer.

So how did he do? It looked bad the first half of the season. Grim. China was the point that, to me, I realised there was no way we were getting the old Schumi back this time around. If he couldn't conjour even a little bit of magic in those conditions, where he used to excel, the magic was probably gone. The season continued and it carried on looking bleak.

Then things seemed to pick up. He got on or close to Nico's level, even driving better than him on some occasions. He no longer looked like someone in F1 on 70% reputation, 30% talent: he looked like someone who deserved his place there whether he was called Schumacher or Cobblers. And he's ended the season like that.

To me, 2010 has only added to the Schumacher legend. How many drivers could, in the modern era, take 3 years out of the sport (not just out of F1; out of single seat racing), come back at 40+ and be sufficiently competitive to say "this guy deserves his spot on the grid on performance alone"? I am sure to many of Michael's fans, I'm underplaying his season. I am sure to may of his detractors, saying his achievement this year is to "deserve his spot on the grid on performance alone" is damning him with faint praise and it's been a disaster of a season for him. To me, it's a realistic assesment of how he's done relative to where you might hope for a bloke of his age, with his time out, to get to.

That he'll go in to 2011 in with a genuine shout of taking it to Nico and, perhaps, coming out on top is impressive to me. We'll see how it goes. Was the latter third of 2010 really Schumacher finding his feet again in the sport or was it just a fluke? Will changes in the tyres be helpful to him or is blaming 2010 issues on the 2010 Bridgestones just excuse making? We'll find out, I guess.

Still, I expected his 3 year come back to be a 1 year swansong when it was announced. Even more so a third of the way into the season. That he'll be back next season and seemingly in with a chance of beating his team mate: good going, I reckon.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 15:21

Very good reasonable post for Michael in 2010. I just sorry that start of the next season is so far away.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 15:31

He has been a front runner and won in plenty of other series. Do you really think it's that much different in F1?

media, pressure etc on whole different scale
this is the big bussiness, he trained for this years years

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 18:20

Michael will participate in this weekend Race of Champions(27-28.11.2010 Dusseldorf).

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 04:04

Was the latter third of 2010 really Schumacher finding his feet again in the sport or was it just a fluke?


More likely when MGP decided to dump 2010 and improve the car for 2011 mid season it gave him purpose.