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#8051 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 16:01

So then maybe my best driver is the most overrated driver in history then....;)

:lol:

Too late! :D


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#8052 cheapracer

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 16:06

Okay that makes more sense, but makes it kind of worse.. Nico had, for some reason, 5 degrees more in-cockpit adjustment available to the wing? What kind of shonky operation are they running up there?


They are a bit short of money/time/manpower to update both cars at once and Rosberg was always ahead in the points so he gets the preference on updates and needed to challenge/stay ahead Massa and Kubica - I have no problem with teams selecting the more important guy in the standings which happened to be Rosberg this year.

Mind you if it's the reverse next year watch the bitch's nails come out :lol:


#8053 cheapracer

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 16:18

I have never heard this Michael Schumacher story before :

Why James Courtney owes life to Michael Schumacher



Kudo's to any man from Schumacher to an unnamed Flag Marshall that risks his own safety in those situations.

I had never heard it before either.

Edited by cheapracer, 03 December 2010 - 16:20.


#8054 Johnrambo

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 16:36

He is still good enough to run the second seat at Mercedes.


Not really. That would be Rosberg. Mercedes would need a proper driver as their leading man like Vettel, Hamilton or Alonso. MS on the other hand shouldn't be nowhere near F1 anymore and he wouldn't if it was not for the past glories.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 17:18

Bought the print AMuS today with the full interview and I believe it is one of the best I´ve ever read as he gave a great view what happened at times during the season.

For example he was asked if he had some kind of animosity turn this year (related to the slow corner issue) and first he says no, then he brings up turn 13 at China (which leads to the long straight). He says he got almost desperate with that corner. Later they detected that the chassis was demolished and afterwards he still asked himself "What went wrong at turn 13, was it my fault or the fault of the car?".

He also says that they had huge problems in the first 4 races with the weight distribution (too much front weight), which was even worse for him as he was some 5 kg heavier than Nico at the time. He could not overcome that deficiency with different springs or anti-roll bars. He used the hardest springs and anti-roll bars at the rear to minimize the understeering but that was still not enough hard enough. After Barcelona there was a bigger setup range available.


Another example

Istanbul; qualifying: "I was 2,3 tenth behind Nico all the time. No reason to worry as we were on the right side of the setup development. I just got into Q3, asking for the same tyre again and suddenly I´m half a second faster and also faster than Nico. Why? I don´t know. I did nothing different, maybe I got a good set of tyres. There was a difference in tyre quality from set to set. I can´t sayprecisely why I was at a disadvantage in comparison to Nico or why I was in front of him sometimes or why things got better latter during the year again.
There was only one situation (in qualifying) this year where I can definitely say that I was not up to it and that was the Bahrain qualifying, where I felt a bit rusty."

How harmful was the 3 year break for you

"You can´t put that away. I´ve tested for Ferrari 2 times during the break. The point is: When I sat in the car for the first time again this year, everybody said: He´s as good as he ever was. That´s bullshit and impossible. Maybe for a lap but one simply lacks the constancy after such a break. The refinement is not there anymore. We´re talking about the best drivers in the world here."

Edited by Urawa, 03 December 2010 - 17:28.


#8056 Szoelloe

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 17:24

thx Urawa

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 18:06

Many Thanks Urawa for your effrots ! :up:

Any chance for full interview in english language ? :)

Edited by vovelo, 03 December 2010 - 18:07.


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Posted 03 December 2010 - 19:14

I think Urawa give us the most important bits of information from this article. Thanks. I think other bits we have from internet AMuS article? I remember at the beginning of the season we discuss weight difference between drivers. We were right then. 5kg is a big difference, especially if you want to move weight to the rear.

Edited by ivand911, 03 December 2010 - 19:21.


#8059 Urawa

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 19:21

I´ll try to translate the whole interview during the weekend but I can´t promise that.
It´s true, the most important parts were already in the press anyway.

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#8060 ivand911

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 19:33

If there is other examples we would like to read about them. Examples for China and Turkey were great. I am happy that Michael open his mouth to give us some insight for the season/races and we to see who was right in our discussions. This is what we wanted all year? Right? More information.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 00:04

This is what we wanted all year? Right? More information.

I though you wanted him winning, not whinning. :o


#8062 ivand911

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 08:10

I though you wanted him winning, not whinning. :o

I see enough winning by Michael. I want him in F1, everything else is just bonus. I doubt anyone can win in W01? But, why not to blame Michael for this? Still he have chance in Australia if he didn't get hit in first corner. Button and Kubica were behind him at that moment.


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Posted 04 December 2010 - 10:48

I though you wanted him winning, not whinning. :o



worthy of Ron Dennis

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 12:20

I said it mid-season and I'll say it again... Sabotage
Yes, Jock and Andrew, I'm looking at you two..


#8065 ivand911

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 12:23

Do we have firm confirmation ,who is Michael next racing engineer? There was rumour about Petrov race engineer, but I don't remember official confirmation.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 12:57

Do we have firm confirmation ,who is Michael next racing engineer? There was rumour about Petrov race engineer, but I don't remember official confirmation.


Confirmed months ago. Mark Slade, Renault/Mc


#8067 cheapracer

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 13:31

Not really. That would be Rosberg. Mercedes would need a proper driver as their leading man like Vettel, Hamilton or Alonso. MS on the other hand shouldn't be nowhere near F1 anymore and he wouldn't if it was not for the past glories.


Hope this helps, you should find something there to save you time on your posts ....

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Edited by cheapracer, 04 December 2010 - 14:25.


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Posted 04 December 2010 - 14:24

"I feel we can make a big step in the direction of winning races - there can only be one goal.."

Schumacher interviewed at ROC trophy presentation.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 15:09

Hope this helps, you should find something there to save you time on your posts ....

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MOUHAHAH, that's a good one.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 16:45

Apparently this is the first video of his motorbike crash:

http://www.laverdad....o-20101205.html

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:02

Apparently this is the first video of his motorbike crash:

http://www.laverdad....o-20101205.html


Strange crash, bike didn't seem to slow down for the corner.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:08

Strange crash, bike didn't seem to slow down for the corner.


I'm stuck with a nearly 56kb internet connection, so I could only see the video once. For some reason I can't play it back again. :confused:
But for what I could see I think he was carrying too much speed into that corner.
It was a very nasty crash.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:13

Apparently this is the first video of his motorbike crash:

http://www.laverdad....o-20101205.html


Sick :eek:

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 18:57

Apparently this is the first video of his motorbike crash:

http://www.laverdad....o-20101205.html



Wooow. It is a miracle that he is in one piece...

#8075 ivand911

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 12:33

Michael in Zürich.
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Edited by ivand911, 06 December 2010 - 12:36.


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Posted 06 December 2010 - 13:55

guys do you want to read some good articles the italian media used to write down all year long against michael?

have fun and enjoy this one, it's from the most read paper in italy... and it was often the same with tv too :D
Repubblica

here's a fast translation

Schumacher, too many provocations... Ferrari is his target
First the words about the relief of being able to speak german again, then the red mercedes advert, now the red helmet he used back then and the promises of staying with the german team for life. there's some resentment between him and the scuderia.


Something happened. Something bad between ferrari and schumacher. yes, because those nonstop provocations that schumacher is making can't be casual. First he announces he will drive for mercedes, saying it's good to speak german again, then he shoots a spot
driving a red mercedes sls amg, now he decides to use the ferrari helmet, the red one with the stars of his seven wdc. the colors of schumi's helmet, infact, were really different: blue up, white down and the middle with the german flag. Only in 2000 he changed to the red one to demonstrate his loyalty to ferrari, using the scuderia's color. And that's not all: schumi revealed to bild that "a part of my heart will always be red", but after a moment he also said that "even a part of my garage will be red, i have my last f1 car from 2006, in perfect order, and i won't lose it for sure..."
Schumacher admitted he already got a mercedes car, a c63 sw: "i need some place for my dog", he says... and he even had a dig at massa, compared to that "roadside post" of his brother ralf: "i'm a fan of felipe, he's like a brother to me, no problem to me having him as opponent, i already raced against my brother in the past..."
To prove that something happened between ferrari and schumi, comes montezemolo, who said at the presentation of the new f10: "that mercedes spot was of bad taste: red is our color"


priceless XD
unfortunately that's the current level of the italian journalists...
they wrote this all year long, if i'm not mistaken this paper gave him 3 as season vote

Edited by Beyond, 06 December 2010 - 13:57.


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Posted 06 December 2010 - 14:12

I think Italian journalists need to grown up. Lets focus on new Scuderia drivers. I don't know what is their problem? Michael give them 5 titles and they pay him millions. Fair deal if you ask me. Michael was big part of what is Ferrari today.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 14:25

Apparently this is the first video of his motorbike crash:

http://www.laverdad....o-20101205.html


Whoa!! Looks like brake failure at full speed, it's no way he missed the braking point so badly!!!

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 15:12

Michael in Zürich.
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thanxs Ivand911 !

too bad I cannot understand German :cry: The only thing I understood was the ''Pirelli test went good'' part of the interview ...

Anybody here could give us a rundown of what was said ??

-))

I'm so freakin happy seing Schumacher back in F1 as a driver :up:

Schumacher is the best :up:

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 16:12

I think Italian journalists need to grown up. Lets focus on new Scuderia drivers. I don't know what is their problem? Michael give them 5 titles and they pay him millions. Fair deal if you ask me. Michael was big part of what is Ferrari today.


I would rather think that Michael was big part of what Ferrari was in days of glory. Today Alonso needs to make his own nest. Ferrari is not up there, which is probably why Italy is not taking it all very rationally. First World Cup debacle, and now this. Country could use now a few miracles.

Edited by Asconte, 06 December 2010 - 16:15.


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Posted 06 December 2010 - 18:25

@ScarbsF1 - This was a source of ongoing frustration all year! The wishbones were regularly torched by the exhaust plume on one car only...


http://twitter.com/H...846330255147008

Hmm.... :rolleyes:

Edited by Spa95, 06 December 2010 - 18:26.


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Posted 06 December 2010 - 18:26

Whoa!! Looks like brake failure at full speed, it's no way he missed the braking point so badly!!!

Yeah, noone could possibly fail to brake so completely on purpose. Nasty crash Im pretty glad the camera was fixed.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 22:38

not exactly the first guy to also maybe lose a little pace after bad smash either. wonder if the accident has not been given enough relevance though michael himself seemd to dismiss it after intial problems with his neck.

but guys like piquet never quite got back their speed.

looks very painful fall

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 23:03

Heh no lack of pace especially at the end of this year though so clearly not a long term effect

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 01:14

not exactly the first guy to also maybe lose a little pace after bad smash either. wonder if the accident has not been given enough relevance though michael himself seemd to dismiss it after intial problems with his neck.

but guys like piquet never quite got back their speed.

looks very painful fall

didnt seem to bother him when he crashed at silverstone

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 01:27

might shut up some of those doubters who said his neck injury wasn't real and just an excuse for not coming back at Ferrari....

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 03:36

might shut up some of those doubters who said his neck injury wasn't real and just an excuse for not coming back at Ferrari....

Nah, those will claim that footage is not real or that they fall like this daily without issues.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 05:42

"The fact he was seven-time world champion ruins what being a world champion is all about"

"He is flawed. He was all over the place. We never saw him at his best when he had a really good driver alongside him. We never saw him in a Ferrari with a driver of similar talent really, so I think that the number of titles is misleading."

"I don't think he regrets coming back, but it was ill-advised. The most important contribution he had was dragging Ferrari back to the top. But the fact he is carrying on next year is interesting, although quite frankly, I wouldn't be worried if I was up against him."


Sir Stirling Moss

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 05:49

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.....

Is that the same Stirling Moss who claimed in 2007 Lewis Hamilton is the best EVER driver in F1?

And then burned his prodigy down to the ground after his object of affection lied twice to stewards?

I wont be suprised if he kisses Michaels hind parts next week, or at some Mercedes promo.

Edited by JackTorrance, 07 December 2010 - 05:54.


#8090 7timesbetterthantherest

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 05:52

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanwn part 2

Stirling Moss = Grumpy old man with zero F1 titles

Michael Schumacher = Successful 7 time F1 champion

:wave:

Edited by 7timesbetterthantherest, 07 December 2010 - 05:52.


#8091 7timesbetterthantherest

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 06:02

''We never saw him in a Ferrari with a driver of similar talent really''

haha - silly Sterling Moss , don't you know TRIX are for kids ?

that's becuase NO OTHER DRIVER had similiar talent like Schumacher's ...

what an old phart he is .......

#8092 Raelene

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 06:30

Funnuy the original article also had some quotes from damon hill but I see they weren't posted here wonder why. The WHOLE article is on sporting life

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 10:18

"The fact he was seven-time world champion ruins what being a world champion is all about"

"He is flawed. He was all over the place. We never saw him at his best when he had a really good driver alongside him. We never saw him in a Ferrari with a driver of similar talent really, so I think that the number of titles is misleading."

"I don't think he regrets coming back, but it was ill-advised. The most important contribution he had was dragging Ferrari back to the top. But the fact he is carrying on next year is interesting, although quite frankly, I wouldn't be worried if I was up against him."


Sir Stirling Moss


The ultimate number 2 at it again hey?

I generally dislike/hate with a passion ex racing car drivers that turn to commentry - often they start out as a real breathe of fresh air with real substance to whats going on out there and who's doing what in a detail that sometimes we can't see for ourselves.

But then after time some of them turn into something else, real ego stuff when they realize that people are listening to them and consider them an authority, then the 'badge police' comes out in them and they just go to dribble overstating everything they can because they by now are earning money or fame again for that dribble and need the attention.

It took longer than most but I notice Jackie Stewart has dissapointingly reached the same level in recent years, he used to be great to listen too.

My exceptions are Alan Jones and Barry Sheene who always kept it pretty realistic over many years, there are certain to be others depending on where you grew up but for the bulk of them -> :rolleyes:



#8094 Speed_Racer

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 10:26

Sterling never even won a single WDC. What does that senile old man know?
He'll do himself good if he does not fall into random elevator shafts instead of talking garbage.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 10:38

All of this (insults and putdowns) is very excessive people. Moss is an ex driver who is as entitled to his opinion as anyone.. however he is now very old, and is wildly out of touch with modern F1. His opinion should be taken as just what it is, the opinion of a once-great racing driver who has been out of it for decades and is just shooting the breeze from the sidelines.



#8096 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:37

I stopped taking Moss seriously the day he walked into - and then fell down - an EMPTY elevator shaft all on his own. He wasn't even pushed. He just walked into and then fell down the hole.

Imagine this, but walking into it instead (minus the ramming)


Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 07 December 2010 - 11:39.


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:39

All of this (insults and putdowns) is very excessive people. Moss is an ex driver who is as entitled to his opinion as anyone.. however he is now very old, and is wildly out of touch with modern F1. His opinion should be taken as just what it is, the opinion of a once-great racing driver who has been out of it for decades and is just shooting the breeze from the sidelines.

Yep, making fun about his incident with the elevator shaft isn't really classy guys. I agree with baddog here, just take notice of it and let it go again.

#8098 Frans

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:44

Am I the only one who takes Moss seriously? :confused:

#8099 bsoares

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:45

Am I the only one who takes Moss seriously? :confused:


:lol:

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 12:09

Just a refresh, obviously a much needed refresh judging by the ignorant comments of some. Remember that Moss is an expert the real deal and we are just fans watching on TV.
Moss' opinion carries more weight then the armchair brigade carries combined. I can see how a man of Moss' achievements and station sees Schumacher as he does, clearly and without prejudice.

"Moss, who raced from 1948 to 1962, won 212 of the 529 races he entered, including 16 Formula One Grands Prix. He would compete in as many as 62 races in a single year and drove 84 different makes of car over the course of his racing career, including Lotus, Vanwall, Maserati, Jaguar, Ferrari and Porsche. Like many drivers of the era, he competed in several formulae—very often on the same day."

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