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#8101 SlateGray

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 12:09

Just a refresh, obviously a much needed refresh judging by the ignorant comments of some. Remember that Moss is an expert the real deal and we are just fans watching on TV.
Moss' opinion carries more weight then the armchair brigade carries combined. I can see how a man of Moss' achievements and station sees Schumacher as he does, clearly and without prejudice.

"Moss, who raced from 1948 to 1962, won 212 of the 529 races he entered, including 16 Formula One Grands Prix. He would compete in as many as 62 races in a single year and drove 84 different makes of car over the course of his racing career, including Lotus, Vanwall, Maserati, Jaguar, Ferrari and Porsche. Like many drivers of the era, he competed in several formulae—very often on the same day."

http://en.wikipedia....i/Stirling_Moss

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#8102 Szoelloe

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 12:10

Am I the only one who takes Moss seriously? :confused:



absolutely mate, absolutely. :)



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Posted 07 December 2010 - 14:30

Wouldnt listen to Moss on this, hes anti Schumi since day 1

#8104 Tarzaan

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 14:58

"The fact he was seven-time world champion ruins what being a world champion is all about"

"He is flawed. He was all over the place. We never saw him at his best when he had a really good driver alongside him. We never saw him in a Ferrari with a driver of similar talent really, so I think that the number of titles is misleading."

"I don't think he regrets coming back, but it was ill-advised. The most important contribution he had was dragging Ferrari back to the top. But the fact he is carrying on next year is interesting, although quite frankly, I wouldn't be worried if I was up against him."


Sir Stirling Moss



Moss is stupid likealways. He is nothing more just a senile (and jealous) moron.

And he has a "sir" title? Doesn't there any quality limit for this? :rolleyes:

Edited by Tarzaan, 07 December 2010 - 15:01.


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 15:01

Lets hear what Damon Hill have to say:
"The BRDC president is convinced Schumacher will rediscover his form next season.

"I don't think he disgraced himself at all this year," said Hill.

"He showed it's hard to come back and maintain pace when you're older. He will have had things to think about I'm sure, but he will never give up. That's what defines him.

"He's a formidable competitor, and I'm sure he is going to prove everyone wrong next year."

I start to respect him with every word. Now who we will believe? Moss or Hill?
http://www.sportingl.../AUTO_Moss.html

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 15:43

Wouldnt listen to Moss on this, hes anti Schumi since day 1


Noticeably so since Adelaide 1994 actually, one of the loudest about the incident back then - figures as I guess he would be partial to Damon and probably close family history (?) through Graham Hill.


All of this (insults and putdowns) is very excessive people. Moss is an ex driver who is as entitled to his opinion as anyone.. however he is now very old, and is wildly out of touch with modern F1. His opinion should be taken as just what it is, the opinion of a once-great racing driver who has been out of it for decades and is just shooting the breeze from the sidelines.


I have been listening to Moss for as long as I can remember and it's got nothing to do with recent times or Schumacher, the guy is an egomaniac with a "I'm Stirling Moss and thats the final word" - in fact I was watching a French docco on Gilles a few days ago with Moss and Fangio sitting together and Moss was doing the same attitude then (about 1980).


Just a refresh, obviously a much needed refresh judging by the ignorant comments of some. Remember that Moss is an expert the real deal and we are just fans watching on TV.


Since when does driving talent maketh an intelligent person? It doesn't and it's you who is out of place using a driver's results as a basis for that person's intelligence, opinions, biases etc..... and speak for yourself, I compete.


Am I the only one who takes Moss seriously? :confused:


I lol'ed :lol: :lol:


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 15:48

Lets hear what Damon Hill have to say:
"The BRDC president is convinced Schumacher will rediscover his form next season.

"I don't think he disgraced himself at all this year," said Hill.

"He showed it's hard to come back and maintain pace when you're older. He will have had things to think about I'm sure, but he will never give up. That's what defines him.

"He's a formidable competitor, and I'm sure he is going to prove everyone wrong next year."

I start to respect him with every word. Now who we will believe? Moss or Hill?
http://www.sportingl.../AUTO_Moss.html


Hill kissing MS's ass is nothing new. Watch that embarrassing video on youtube with johnny herbert. He has to talk MS up as he was his big rival for a number of years.


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 16:55

Moss is stupid likealways. He is nothing more just a senile (and jealous) moron.

And he has a "sir" title? Doesn't there any quality limit for this? :rolleyes:


Shumi bashing for praising is the only way for the old guys to be in the news.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 17:29

"quite frankly, I wouldn't be worried if I was up against him."

Sir Stirling Moss



No, you just concentrate on not falling down empty elevator shafts, old boy.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 17:31

Hill kissing MS's ass is nothing new. Watch that embarrassing video on youtube with johnny herbert. He has to talk MS up as he was his big rival for a number of years.


That Johnny Herbert bit was funny.

"What he (Schumacher) does, is nothing special" - referring to Schumacher's driving style.

5 seconds later;

Jonathon Palmer [narrator] "On this lap alone, Schumacher was 1.5 seconds faster than his team mate, Johhny Herbert"
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:



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Posted 07 December 2010 - 17:37

Just a refresh, obviously a much needed refresh judging by the ignorant comments of some. Remember that Moss is an expert the real deal and we are just fans watching on TV.
Moss' opinion carries more weight then the armchair brigade carries combined. I can see how a man of Moss' achievements and station sees Schumacher as he does, clearly and without prejudice.

"Moss, who raced from 1948 to 1962, won 212 of the 529 races he entered, including 16 Formula One Grands Prix. He would compete in as many as 62 races in a single year and drove 84 different makes of car over the course of his racing career, including Lotus, Vanwall, Maserati, Jaguar, Ferrari and Porsche. Like many drivers of the era, he competed in several formulae—very often on the same day."

http://en.wikipedia....i/Stirling_Moss

and? if we stuck him in a modern f1 car he would not have a clue the same as everyone else on this forum , i'd take the opinion of badoer more seriously

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 17:51

MS could win every race, qualifying and practise session in a season and Moss would still answer "Yes, but..."

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 17:57

“Stirling Moss = Grumpy old man with zero F1 titles”

“haha - silly Sterling Moss , don't you know TRIX are for kids ?”

“I generally dislike/hate with a passion ex racing car drivers that turn to commentary”

“What does that senile old man know?”

“Moss is stupid likealways. He is nothing more just a senile (and jealous) moron.”

“No, you just concentrate on not falling down empty elevator shafts, old boy.”


What a classy lot of fans Schumacher has defending him it all flows down from the top, or perhaps rolls down hill. Nice counter arguments, way to refute and discredit what Moss said about Schumacher you have totally convinced me, Schumacher was not crushed by Rosberg and he is really a good sport not the dirty driving cheater we saw on the track this season and every other season. All class that Schumacher

Michael Schumacher blames Mercedes for poor 2010 form

Schumacher blames’ the car and the tires and the team and, he even insinuates that Rosberg got preferential treatment, how does that shoe feel on the other foot eh Schu?
He wanted Ross to go public with a laundry list of excuses in some sort of attempt at mitigation of his poor performances. Must be really chewing him up inside now that everyone has seen the real Schumacher for what he is, a slow dangerous whiner.


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 18:02

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Michael Schumacher blames Mercedes for poor 2010 form

Schumacher blames’ the car and the tires and the team and, he even insinuates that Rosberg got preferential treatment, how does that shoe feel on the other foot eh Schu?
He wanted Ross to go public with a laundry list of excuses in some sort of attempt at mitigation of his poor performances. Must be really chewing him up inside now that everyone has seen the real Schumacher for what he is, a slow dangerous whiner.

For the one´s who read the original interview will know that the headline is utter nonsense

Edited by Urawa, 07 December 2010 - 18:03.


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 18:08

For the one´s who read the original interview will know that the headline is utter nonsense


+1 Just more BS from the press. Moss is in good company.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 19:16

Just a refresh, obviously a much needed refresh judging by the ignorant comments of some. Remember that Moss is an expert the real deal and we are just fans watching on TV.
Moss' opinion carries more weight then the armchair brigade carries combined. I can see how a man of Moss' achievements and station sees Schumacher as he does, clearly and without prejudice.

No, what you mean is that Moss' comments agree with your opinion. If he didnt you would dismiss them.

He last raced in 1962. 48 years ago! He has a right to an opinion, but I dont see how you could call him an expert in modern racing at all.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 19:28

“Stirling Moss = Grumpy old man with zero F1 titles”

“haha - silly Sterling Moss , don't you know TRIX are for kids ?”

“I generally dislike/hate with a passion ex racing car drivers that turn to commentary”

“What does that senile old man know?”

“Moss is stupid likealways. He is nothing more just a senile (and jealous) moron.”

“No, you just concentrate on not falling down empty elevator shafts, old boy.”


What a classy lot of fans Schumacher has defending him it all flows down from the top, or perhaps rolls down hill. Nice counter arguments, way to refute and discredit what Moss said about Schumacher you have totally convinced me, Schumacher was not crushed by Rosberg and he is really a good sport not the dirty driving cheater we saw on the track this season and every other season. All class that Schumacher

Michael Schumacher blames Mercedes for poor 2010 form

Schumacher blames’ the car and the tires and the team and, he even insinuates that Rosberg got preferential treatment, how does that shoe feel on the other foot eh Schu?
He wanted Ross to go public with a laundry list of excuses in some sort of attempt at mitigation of his poor performances. Must be really chewing him up inside now that everyone has seen the real Schumacher for what he is, a slow dangerous whiner.


So you didn´t get it yet, SlateGrey?

Some forumers here are retards, former F1 drivers are haters (some are just senile), Jackie Stewart must channel his frustation..., you don´t know S about F1, Frans is stupid, and the list goes on and on.

Anyone who does not rate Michael the same way his blind fans does get a "classy label" here.



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Posted 07 December 2010 - 19:46

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Some forumers here are retards, former F1 drivers are haters (some are just senile), Jackie Stewart must channel his frustation..., you don´t know S about F1, Frans is stupid, and the list goes on and on.

wow, I agree with a complete phrase of yours.
you finally managed to post some truth

Anyone who does not rate Michael the same way his blind fans does get a "classy label" here.

anyone who speaks b$hit like the one mentioned in the above quote is nothing more than senile or has an agenda...while I doubt people post too much with having an agenda....I am pretty sure about the senile part

you can ignore it for a while but if it becomes annoying as a fly it may smell like $hit is around.

yes a forum is about debating ideas not persons, but to debate ideas sometimes requires posters with an ability bigger than just speaking the language and hiting some keys in frustration. they spend an awful amount of time on this and it deserves a better cause.

and yes again, a forum is about ideas but if someone keeps calling night as being day he is either blind or stupid, to use an f1 quote

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:08

You guys, with the exception of baddog have a lack of objectivity and manners that's stunning. I don't even particularly care for Stirling's views but he's entitled to them and if he's asked for his opinion by a journo (hack more likely!) he should speak his mind. I don't think that there's been a point of view of his that has had any resonance for me personally but, hey, when Michael is the subject, all rationality seems to go out the window, whichever "side" you're on! This is more about defending Michael's reputation which you should wise up and admit is questionable in the area of ethics. OK I do agree, sort of, with him on this issue of driver ethics.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:24

Moss is entitlted to his opinion - even if they are wrong. He has not experience in modern F1 cars so not sure why Slate Gray thinks he would be an expert. Also do wonder why Damon Hill's quotes weren't posted by Slate Gray, maybe because they don't support his rants?



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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:31

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wow, I agree with a complete phrase of yours.
you finally managed to post some truth


anyone who speaks b$hit like the one mentioned in the above quote is nothing more than senile or has an agenda...while I doubt people post too much with having an agenda....I am pretty sure about the senile part

you can ignore it for a while but if it becomes annoying as a fly it may smell like $hit is around.

yes a forum is about debating ideas not persons, but to debate ideas sometimes requires posters with an ability bigger than just speaking the language and hiting some keys in frustration. they spend an awful amount of time on this and it deserves a better cause.

and yes again, a forum is about ideas but if someone keeps calling night as being day he is either blind or stupid, to use an f1 quote



Have you ever thought you are the one who calls night as beeing day and even though some don´t call you stupid, retard or a troll?

#8122 SlateGray

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:36

He last raced in 1962. 48 years ago! He has a right to an opinion, but I dont see how you could call him an expert in modern racing at all.


Moss has spent most of his life immersed in auto racing with vast and wide ranging experiences in the sport, so he is most definitely an expert in the world of motor racing. However the same cannot be said for the posters attempting to defend Schumacher in this thread, judging from the high level of vitriol and empty childish insults directed at Moss vs. the low level of rational response, I will ascribe more weight to the opinions of the expert in the world of motor racing over the casual TV viewer / forum poster.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:42

I would go with Hill version of 2010. He is still modern race driver, and he can put himself in Michael shoes. He know what it means, to do this what Michael did. Moss can't put himself in Michael shoes. He have right for opinion and we have right not to accept it. I don't see anyone calling Frans stupid, maybe only SEP call him that way? Frans is good guy and he is enjoying the season. On,his own way.

Edited by ivand911, 07 December 2010 - 20:46.


#8124 baddog

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:02

Moss has spent most of his life immersed in auto racing with vast and wide ranging experiences in the sport, so he is most definitely an expert in the world of motor racing. However the same cannot be said for the posters attempting to defend Schumacher in this thread, judging from the high level of vitriol and empty childish insults directed at Moss vs. the low level of rational response, I will ascribe more weight to the opinions of the expert in the world of motor racing over the casual TV viewer / forum poster.

And you would balance that with the much larger range of 'expert' opinion, including those who spent years on track with him or who ran teams hiring or against him who think he was and possibly still is as good as any driver has ever been I assume? Kind of a dick sometimes but a superb talent and probably the best all round driver package ever.

Surely you would not argue that this is not the majority view in the F1 world??

#8125 Yorkie

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:12

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.....

Is that the same Stirling Moss who claimed in 2007 Lewis Hamilton is the best EVER driver in F1?

And then burned his prodigy down to the ground after his object of affection lied twice to stewards?

I wont be suprised if he kisses Michaels hind parts next week, or at some Mercedes promo.

Whats lieing to stewards have anything to do with driving ability?

#8126 arknor

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:20

Moss has spent most of his life immersed in auto racing with vast and wide ranging experiences in the sport, so he is most definitely an expert in the world of motor racing. However the same cannot be said for the posters attempting to defend Schumacher in this thread, judging from the high level of vitriol and empty childish insults directed at Moss vs. the low level of rational response, I will ascribe more weight to the opinions of the expert in the world of motor racing over the casual TV viewer / forum poster.

some of us work for F1 teams :wave:

people have a life outside the forum m8...

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:20

Lets hear what Damon Hill have to say:
"The BRDC president is convinced Schumacher will rediscover his form next season.

"I don't think he disgraced himself at all this year," said Hill.

"He showed it's hard to come back and maintain pace when you're older. He will have had things to think about I'm sure, but he will never give up. That's what defines him.

"He's a formidable competitor, and I'm sure he is going to prove everyone wrong next year."

I start to respect him with every word. Now who we will believe? Moss or Hill?
http://www.sportingl.../AUTO_Moss.html

Of course you do, but he had of been anti-Schumi he would have been canondised as well :lol:

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:27

And you would balance that with the much larger range of 'expert' opinion, including those who spent years on track with him or who ran teams hiring or against him who think he was and possibly still is as good as any driver has ever been I assume? Kind of a dick sometimes but a superb talent and probably the best all round driver package ever.

Surely you would not argue that this is not the majority view in the F1 world??

No I would not argue that Moss is "probably the best all round driver package ever" nor would any rational person argue same re Schumacher. Schumacher has been a single formula specialist with a list of advantages, pre 2010, so long and deep that it would flatter any competent driver. Schumacher will need to excel in many different types of auto racing before any thinking person would label him "probably the best all round driver package ever" Seeing how Schumacher is not even close to the top in his chosen racing specialty anymore I dare say he will be much less advanced in any other motor sport arena so no I would not agree with your statement as applied to Moss or Schumacher.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:45

No I would not argue that Moss is "probably the best all round driver package ever" nor would any rational person argue same re Schumacher. Schumacher has been a single formula specialist with a list of advantages, pre 2010, so long and deep that it would flatter any competent driver. Schumacher will need to excel in many different types of auto racing before any thinking person would label him "probably the best all round driver package ever" Seeing how Schumacher is not even close to the top in his chosen racing specialty anymore I dare say he will be much less advanced in any other motor sport arena so no I would not agree with your statement as applied to Moss or Schumacher.


I was not referring to moss at all with regrd to that, you read it wrong. And by all round driver package I meant F1 driver package, and I too regret the mono-series focus of modern driver but its irrelevant here.

The rest of your post is drivel of course.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:48

So you didn´t get it yet, SlateGrey?

Some forumers here are retards, former F1 drivers are haters (some are just senile), Jackie Stewart must channel his frustation..., you don´t know S about F1, Frans is stupid, and the list goes on and on.

Anyone who does not rate Michael the same way his blind fans does get a "classy label" here.

After career part one, does he has to be (still) rated?

#8131 SlateGray

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 22:05

The rest of your post is drivel of course.


Translation: I am unable to refute SlateGray's assertions.

So baddog I will accept your lack of a measured and balanced counter argument as deferral to the opinion of the motor sport expert Moss and the TV viewer / fourmer SlateGray.

:)

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 22:20

So you didn´t get it yet, SlateGrey?

Some forumers here are retards, former F1 drivers are haters (some are just senile), Jackie Stewart must channel his frustation..., you don´t know S about F1, Frans is stupid, and the list goes on and on.

Anyone who does not rate Michael the same way his blind fans does get a "classy label" here.



You got it daddio. :up:

PS: please elaborate on this comment of yours for us please...


POk,. what if he beats Nico next year? Michael will be older, so what will be the excuse for 2010 ´s performance?

Please, forget this "he is old" bs. Rubens is 39 and spanked Michael driving an inferior car!



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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:02

Translation: I am unable to refute SlateGray's assertions.

So baddog I will accept your lack of a measured and balanced counter argument as deferral to the opinion of the motor sport expert Moss and the TV viewer / fourmer SlateGray.

:)

The rest of your post contained one substantive sentence, 'Seeing how Schumacher is not even close to the top in his chosen racing specialty anymore' which I consider patent nonsense (honestly tell me that in the last 1/3 of the season Michael was not 'close to the top' of single seater circuit racing?) then you may understand why I summarised.

Edited by baddog, 07 December 2010 - 23:03.


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:10

You got it daddio. up.gif

PS: please elaborate on this comment of yours for us please...


QUOTE (SEP @ Dec 4 2010, 00:48) *
POk,. what if he beats Nico next year? Michael will be older, so what will be the excuse for 2010 ´s performance?

Please, forget this "he is old" bs. Rubens is 39 and spanked Michael driving an inferior car!


The thing is, Rubens did actually spank Schumacher on many occasion in an inferior car.

Yes, Schumacher finished above (just one place) in the WDC points, but that was going to happen as standard because the Mercedes was a much better car than the Williams, but there was many times Rubens impressed against Schumacher.

I think if Rubens was in Rosberg's place and was Schumacher's teammate for example, he would have EASILY beat Schumacher, Scumacher was lacklustre all year, I know he's back from a 3 year comeback, but Rubens performed much better than the guy whilst in an overall inferior car.

It makes you wonder why Ross Brawn, got rid of Rubens in the first place, the team would have achieved many more WCC points with Rubens and Nico Rosberg.

Edited by intothepits, 07 December 2010 - 23:19.


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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:22

The thing is, Rubens did actually spank Schumacher on many occasion in an inferior car.

Yes, Schumacher finished above (just one place) in the WDC points, but that was going to happen as standard because the Mercedes was a much better car than the Williams, but there was many times Rubens impressed against Schumacher.

I think if Rubens was in Rosberg's place and was Schumacher's teammate for example, he would have EASILY beat Schumacher, Scumacher was lacklustre all year, I know he's back from a 3 year comeback, but Rubens performed much better than the guy whilst in an overall inferior car.

It makes you wonder why Ross Brawn, got rid of Rubens in the first place, the team would have achieved many more WCC points with Rubens and Nico Rosberg.

Rubens can be a bit of a whinger though, didnt he suggest the team were favouring Jenson?

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:30

Why is he a whinger? Are we talking about Germany 09 where the team quite clearly didn't take Rubens strategy as main focus compared to Jenson? That will be it.. and they did favour Jenson, Jenson being the younger guy and everything looking more attractive to have as your World Champ...


Ashame that didn't work out though lol, because he pished off to McLaren.

Are we also talking about Schumacher blocking him at the Korean GP Qualifying? Totally valid comments from Rubens actually.

Or should we go to the Hungarian GP of 2010, is Rubens wrong to be disappointed at such a rather awful move from Schumacher... I really don't think so if you look at it objectively.

Definitely though, Rubens and Rosberg would have been much better for Brawn/Mercedes than Schumacher and Rosberg. There is no question. People were expecting much more from Schumcher, (including those in the paddock) seems it's a case of risk management now to not make look Schumacher so bad. "Let's protect him" is very much the idea on Mercedes mind at the moment.

It's totally see through, if you have any skills of actually being perceptive in any way what so ever.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:37

I think if Rubens was in Rosberg's place and was Schumacher's teammate for example, he would have EASILY beat Schumacher, Scumacher was lacklustre all year, I know he's back from a 3 year comeback, but Rubens performed much better than the guy whilst in an overall inferior car.

It makes you wonder why Ross Brawn, got rid of Rubens in the first place, the team would have achieved many more WCC points with Rubens and Nico Rosberg.

1. We don't know to what extent if any the Williams was inferior to the Mercedes, Nico may be a very class act. He seemed to make last year's Williams look P4ish for much of the season AND thrashed his teammate.
2. The projected Mercedes F1 lineup for 2010 was Button and Rosberg until Jenson shocked Brawn with his McLaren deal. I tend to agree that Rubens may have performed better than Michael, particularly early on but that is pure speculation. What has kept people amused here for so long is the squabble over Michael's thrashing by his teammate which apparently not everyone can see with their own (Two?) eyes!!!

#8138 intothepits

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:41

Come on Muz, Williams was far inferior to the previous WCC/WDC's, the car itself this season wasn't great, but was definitely better than the usual midfield.

#8139 iakhtar

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:49

Rubens and Rosberg would have been a bigger disaster for the team judging by the internal problems being suffered by one side of the garage imo and if they are indeed true then judging MS' performance this year is quite pointless, better to wait for next season for a more complete picture.

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#8140 Yorkie

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:54

Why is he a whinger? Are we talking about Germany 09 where the team quite clearly didn't take Rubens strategy as main focus compared to Jenson? That will be it.. and they did favour Jenson, Jenson being the younger guy and everything looking more attractive to have as your World Champ...


Ashame that didn't work out though lol, because he pished off to McLaren.

Are we also talking about Schumacher blocking him at the Korean GP Qualifying? Totally valid comments from Rubens actually.

Or should we go to the Hungarian GP of 2010, is Rubens wrong to be disappointed at such a rather awful move from Schumacher... I really don't think so if you look at it objectively.

Definitely though, Rubens and Rosberg would have been much better for Brawn/Mercedes than Schumacher and Rosberg. There is no question. People were expecting much more from Schumcher, (including those in the paddock) seems it's a case of risk management now to not make look Schumacher so bad. "Let's protect him" is very much the idea on Mercedes mind at the moment.

It's totally see through, if you have any skills of actually being perceptive in any way what so ever.

I vaguely remember a race where Rubens thought he should have won but for poor strategy and he dissed his team on telly, only for Ross to have to tell him that his race pace in one phase of the race was poor. Also i remember Brazil after Rubens did his stop he had Lewis all over him, Lewis had yet to stop, he complained to the team that is car was now longer any good for some reason, they had to tell him that Lewis was carrying much less fuel than him.

#8141 ktsayshi

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:48

Rubens and Rosberg would have been a bigger disaster for the team judging by the internal problems being suffered by one side of the garage imo and if they are indeed true then judging MS' performance this year is quite pointless, better to wait for next season for a more complete picture.


From Craig Scarborough (a.k.a ScarbsF1):

@MisterPigz the melting floor affected both drivers, MS had F-duct issues at two races. Altho this isnt justification for his pace in 2010.


@s2ksandy Yes NR had the same car, he was used to bridgestones and could overcome its handling. But both W01s had the hot floor issue.


Both posted Dec. 6, 2010:

https://twitter.com/ScarbsF1

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#8142 cheapracer

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:25

the dirty driving cheater we saw on the track this season and every other season. All class that Schumacher


You can back that up with facts of course.

I'll even help get you started, official incidents 1997 and 2006, now help us out with the other 13 years, I'll even accept incidents of arrogance in lieu of cheats - otherwise I'm calling you out as a trolling liar ......


way to refute and discredit what Moss said about Schumacher


If you read my post above I mention my respect for Barry Sheene as a commentator, Sheene was no MS fan by a long, long shot :lol: even having to basically be told to shutup by Murray Walker once on air so from that you should realise that it's not people who discredit Schumacher who are targeted but rather the dribble that comes out of their mouths and Moss needs very absorbent bibs and that was well before Schumacher came along, I even remember his mouth annoying the crap out of me at Bathurst 1976 (where he was quite slow).

Amusing that in the Gilles special Moss should give Gilles his support where in fact Gilles was not only quite a dirty driver but some of the antics he pulled on track would have him disqualified from driving in this day and age such as driving 3 wheeled cars leaking oil on the racing line in the self interest of getting back to the pits etc. - far worse than anything in recent F1. But then again and no doubt "Mouth For Sale" Moss was being paid for it.

Be interesting when Moss has to make a public appearance (if it happens) with Schumacher with the Benz connection.


#8143 cheapracer

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:56

Of course you do, but he (Hill) had of been anti-Schumi he would have been canondised as well :lol:


Obviously you were not around in the mid 90's. :lol:




#8144 Norm

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 05:09

You can back that up with facts of course.

I'll even help get you started, official incidents 1997 and 2006, now help us out with the other 13 years, I'll even accept incidents of arrogance in lieu of cheats - otherwise I'm calling you out as a trolling liar ......




If you read my post above I mention my respect for Barry Sheene as a commentator, Sheene was no MS fan by a long, long shot :lol: even having to basically be told to shutup by Murray Walker once on air so from that you should realise that it's not people who discredit Schumacher who are targeted but rather the dribble that comes out of their mouths and Moss needs very absorbent bibs and that was well before Schumacher came along, I even remember his mouth annoying the crap out of me at Bathurst 1976 (where he was quite slow).

Amusing that in the Gilles special Moss should give Gilles his support where in fact Gilles was not only quite a dirty driver but some of the antics he pulled on track would have him disqualified from driving in this day and age such as driving 3 wheeled cars leaking oil on the racing line in the self interest of getting back to the pits etc. - far worse than anything in recent F1. But then again and no doubt "Mouth For Sale" Moss was being paid for it.

Be interesting when Moss has to make a public appearance (if it happens) with Schumacher with the Benz connection.


I really doubt that you ever saw some of the driver's you have claimed to have watch race. Over the last couple of years I have read your comments and though you claim this superior knowledge of the sport you continue to prove that you are just opinionated and with those you disagree with you are insulting.

To suggest that Gilles was "dirty" is way off the mark. Too many drivers, team bosses, pundits, whomever have always said that Gilles was always fair. Competitive yes, but fair and honest. I never held much respect for your views. Your claims I never really paid attention to. You presented yourself as knowledgeable about the sport but have proven you lack any knowledge that would give you any real credibility by such ridiculous comments about Gilles.

I don't bother to post much here anymore for various reasons, I did back when this BB was Atlas. But I felt compelled to tap you on your shoulder today after reading your comments on Gilles. Maybe try to take a step back and really think about what you have said regarding Gilles. He was many things, but dirty was not one of them.


Keke Rosberg Quote:

"To Gilles, racing truly was a sport, which
is why he would never chop you. Something
like that he'd look on with contempt. You
didn't have to be a good driver to do that,
let alone a great one. Anyone could do that.
Gilles was the hardest bastard I ever raced
against, but completely fair. If you'd
beaten him to a corner, he accepted it and
gave you room. Then he'd be right back at
you at the next one! Sure, he took
unbelievable risks - but only with himself -
and that's why I get pissed off now when
people compare Senna with him. Gilles was
a giant of a driver, yes, but he was also a
great man."

#8145 cheapracer

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 06:35

you continue to prove that you are just opinionated and with those you disagree with you are insulting.

I never held much respect for your views.


:lol: So you disagree with me and you insult me and thats different how Mr Hypocrite...?

Oh boo hoo I won't sleep tonight, your hero is subjected to some critic? Feel free to start a Gilles thread and I'll be quite happy to submit.






#8146 Szoelloe

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 13:12

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#8147 ivand911

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 14:11

PDLR:
"I think, but can also be wrong, that there are two special driver out there. Fernando and Hamilton. For me, these are the only two drivers who have something special. Just as Nadal and Federer in tennis," estimates de la Rosa . "I say currently because things can change quickly. It may change in the next season already. It is not always like that, look only on Schumacher. They are the two best and most special drivers. This year, Alonso better than Hamilton. "
http://www.motorspor...g_10120302.html

#8148 merschu

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 16:28

Schumacher defends his decision to return to F1

After three years in retirement, Schumacher returned to F1 with the new Mercedes team, but has struggled to make an impact on the race track, finishing this year's season in a disappointing ninth place.It has led many to wonder why the racing legend has returned to sport. But amid the gossip and allegations, the 41-year-old has defended his decision.

He told CNN: "I enjoy it. I feel I have the right to do what I enjoy. Whether I put in dispute my reputation...I just feel good about my decision and I have so much support from people.""I certainly want to make it a successful return," he continued. "I'm only happy if I'm back on the winning road with the team. This is what I'm working for, this is the joy of the passion for Formula 1."

Finnish F1 driver for Team Lotus Heikki Kovalainen told CNN the criticisms towards Schumacher were unfair.
"People had high expectations, people expected him to win. But (Mercedes) didn't have a car to win and second of all, things have changed since he left Formula 1."

Fellow F1 champion Alain Prost said no-one should judge or criticize a driver of his caliber, saying, "For me, it is difficult, almost impossible to go back to the title after three years...But if there's one driver who'd be able to do it, I think it's Michael."

Team principal and co-owner of Mercedes, Ross Brawn, admits the team has had a disappointing year and credits some of that to Schumacher.

"It's been disappointing, in overall performance, we haven't had the car, Michael's taken a little time to get up to the performance he'll be able to deliver. I've seen patches of that performance...the last few races of the season was the Michael Schumacher I expected to see.But on a more positive note, Brawn added: "Now it's all coming together and I think next year we're going to have a really exciting time."

Schumacher admits it's been a sluggish return to the track, but remains positive, saying: "It's certainly not as successful as I thought initially and many other people have thought.""But then having such a strong group and team behind, Mercedes pushing it so hard, I have no doubt about success in the future."


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#8149 Tarzaan

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 21:08

OFF

Former racing driver and team owner Tom Walkinshaw has died.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88672

:(


#8150 aditya-now

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 22:53

OFF

Former racing driver and team owner Tom Walkinshaw has died.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88672

:(


RIP Tom!

He was one of those who made MS.