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#8151 Massa_f1

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 22:23

Wouldn't listen to Moss on this, hes anti Schumi since day 1



I see Moss is opening his mouth about Schumacher again just weeks after his earlier rant. Wow the guy has a chip on his shoulder. Talk about being overrated what has Moss ever done won a few Gps's sour grapes i think.



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#8152 TheMortalBard

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 02:02

Moss is at it again

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/36666.html

And hello to everyone here. New to the forum. Been reading it for ages but decided to be a part of it now. Just for the record my fav drivers were/are MS, AS and KR. I've seen two of them start their F1 careers and watched Senna live 1990 onwards and all his 80s stuff on video. KR is simply the coolest driver ever ;) I am definitely a bigger fan of MS than KR or AS :) I have also watched many races from the earlier decades and its amazing what Fangio, Moss and so many others did in the 50s, 60s and 70s, considering the safety of those days. So huge respect there.

But I will call Moss out on the comments he's been making recently. I think some of it is fair but some of it is totally overboard and makes it sound like he has something personal against MS. MS was silly with that move and he got punished. End of story Moss. Let it go. Sir.

Edited by TheMortalBard, 18 December 2010 - 02:05.


#8153 Diablobb81

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 06:42

Welcome to the forum.

Moss' comments would have meant something if Michael wouldn't have been punished for the move in Hungary. But he was, so the "new" rules have nothing to do with that incident. Just another rant by him.

Edited by Diablobb81, 18 December 2010 - 06:42.


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Posted 18 December 2010 - 16:48

"But I'm not criticising because Formula One in my mind should be the best of everything"

Yeah Moses errr Moss, including the people who get quoted on it.

As I've aluded to it's "rent a mouth" syndrome, if he makes nice pleasant speeches who wants to listen to him, after all he can't talk about the way he won those WDC's now can he.

Take a leaf from a gentleman like Fangio, go about discussing what you know about only.

#8155 aditya-now

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 21:39

...the "new" rules have nothing to do with that incident. Just another rant by him.


The new rules have very much to do with Hungaroring 2010. Look at the wording.

And, reading those new FIA rules all the memory of the incident might have come back to Sir Stirling, and for a man from his time, such behavior was simply unacceptable. There was a certain code of honor among the drivers back then. In those days to drive like Schumacher did was like attempted murder - a driver like that might have been excluded from the sport altogether.

If you understand the perception and perspective that Moss most probably has, you will understand his "rant" better.


#8156 aditya-now

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 21:43

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As I've aluded to it's "rent a mouth" syndrome, if he makes nice pleasant speeches who wants to listen to him, after all he can't talk about the way he won those WDC's now can he.


Take a leaf from a gentleman like Fangio, go about discussing what you know about only.


The "rent a mouth" syndrome is very well coined and definitely true with Stewart. Lately Moss also starts to make more and more noises, yet in this instance I agree, his view is right IMHO. Schumacher´s behaviour on (and off) track was unacceptable.

Cheapracer, as you say, Juan Manuel Fangio was above all this, and whenever he appeared at a GP in his later years, everyone went silent with awe. His presence was commanding. The only other driver that I believe would have had the aura to create such an effect in his later years is sadly dead.



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Posted 19 December 2010 - 01:42

Very interesting post race Suzuka interview



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Posted 20 December 2010 - 07:18

And, reading those new FIA rules all the memory of the incident might have come back to Sir Stirling, and for a man from his time, such behavior was simply unacceptable. There was a certain code of honor among the drivers back then. In those days to drive like Schumacher did was like attempted murder - a driver like that might have been excluded from the sport altogether.

If you understand the perception and perspective that Moss most probably has, you will understand his "rant" better.


You need to search for Moss's comments on Ascari for example.

This code of honor thing is overstated and romantically done to death, again all part of the rent a mouth syndrome because it needs character to be elleborated on otherwise these old drivers are useless - had these very same men been on tree less, pole less, hell even house less racing tracks that push and shove would be no different from today.

Having watched plenty of hours of old film I say they were no different relative to their circumstance, plenty of pushing and shoving, poking noses in where they didn't belong etc. and can name a number of stand out incidents but how about Moses, errr Moss's chop on Fangio at the last corner of the 1955 Brit GP for example - how 'Schuey' a chop that was :lol:

I understand Moss's perspective quite clearly, talk up big shit, get noticed, make money because I don't have any other useful skills.




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Posted 20 December 2010 - 10:22

The new rules have very much to do with Hungaroring 2010. Look at the wording.

And, reading those new FIA rules all the memory of the incident might have come back to Sir Stirling, and for a man from his time, such behavior was simply unacceptable. There was a certain code of honor among the drivers back then. In those days to drive like Schumacher did was like attempted murder - a driver like that might have been excluded from the sport altogether.

If you understand the perception and perspective that Moss most probably has, you will understand his "rant" better.



Code of honor my axx. They were just as ruthless with each other as nowadays, I would say even more. There is a significant difference though in the consequence: there were no driver safety standards whatsoever. AND they KNEW that.

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#8160 aditya-now

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:03

There is a significant difference though in the consequence: there were no driver safety standards whatsoever. AND they KNEW that.


Which is exactly my point: in the days of yore a maneuvre like the Hungaroring 2010 Schumacher/Barrichello one would have been regarded as attempted murder. Exactly because there were no driver safety standards.

Nowadays the drivers are maybe a bit too careless, believing in the power of modern safety. That could all end very quickly, as Abu Dhabi 2010 has shown: Michael himself was just a few centimetres away from being executed.


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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:15

Which is exactly my point: in the days of yore a maneuvre like the Hungaroring 2010 Schumacher/Barrichello one would have been regarded as attempted murder. Exactly because there were no driver safety standards.

Nowadays the drivers are maybe a bit too careless, believing in the power of modern safety. That could all end very quickly, as Abu Dhabi 2010 has shown: Michael himself was just a few centimetres away from being executed.


Drivers are not more careless at all, they are simply more ruthless because they are being paid millions of dollars to get results. It's more the case of old time accidents being caused through carelessness from so many casual "Gentlemen" drivers.

I have no idea why you quoted Abu Dhabi, that was simply an accident with the results being out of everybody's control - it wasn't initiated with some sort of aggressive or ruthless move so I don't see the relationship here?


#8162 aditya-now

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:21

I have no idea why you quoted Abu Dhabi, that was simply an accident with the results being out of everybody's control - it wasn't initiated with some sort of aggressive or ruthless move so I don't see the relationship here?


You live in Asia, cheapracer, so you may have heard about action/reaction and the law of karma. If Schumi has all the things he did coming back at him, and if it all culminates in one incident, then Lord protect him!!!

Edited by aditya-now, 20 December 2010 - 14:43.


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Posted 20 December 2010 - 14:07

You leave in Asia, cheapracer, so you may have heard about action/reaction and the law of karma. If Schumi has all the things he did coming back at him, and if it all culminates in one incident, then Lord protect him!!!

I don't get this? Senna died because he have to pay for something? Or Ratzenberger? Or every other road (not only track) accident. Or this is your thinking because it is MS? It is just bad luck. But,depend how bad. You can lose tyre, you can blow engine , you can die. Depend which straw you will draw. And this is every day. Going to work, returning from work, going to the shop,going back home. You draw a straw every moment. And if you are lucky you have just puncture.

Edited by ivand911, 20 December 2010 - 14:10.


#8164 aditya-now

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 14:49

I don't get this? Senna died because he have to pay for something? Or Ratzenberger? Or every other road (not only track) accident. Or this is your thinking because it is MS? It is just bad luck. But,depend how bad. You can lose tyre, you can blow engine , you can die. Depend which straw you will draw. And this is every day. Going to work, returning from work, going to the shop,going back home. You draw a straw every moment. And if you are lucky you have just puncture.


This not the place for discussions on karma, Ivan. Just saying that Michael´s accident in Abu Dhabi froze the blood in my veins. It can be over so quickly.

That´s why I think on track behaviour like Hungaroring 2010 should be avoided at any cost, no matter who gets endangered. It´s just not worth it.

#8165 marcoferrari

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 15:52

I see Moss is opening his mouth about Schumacher again just weeks after his earlier rant. Wow the guy has a chip on his shoulder. Talk about being overrated what has Moss ever done won a few Gps's sour grapes i think.


16 GPs, but out of only 66... Only 8 World Champions are better in this and many worse!

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 18:09

Moss is at it again

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/36666.html


Somebody call the elevator please... :|

#8167 Callisto

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 18:35

Somebody call the elevator please... :|

Very poor taste :down:

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 20:41

You live in Asia, cheapracer, so you may have heard about action/reaction and the law of karma. If Schumi has all the things he did coming back at him, and if it all culminates in one incident, then Lord protect him!!!

Low.



#8169 SeanValen

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 00:25

Very interesting post race Suzuka interview




He was very fast at Suzuka and I think Mercedes really should of unleashed Schumacher to see what could of been done with Hamilton. The car was working and Michael was at Suzuka showing why's he's won there so much. Schumacher at times in 2010 has just been denied potential great moments or rewards for the most bizarre decision making, be it Mercedes or be it FIA docking him points for Monaco which was clearly a legal pass on Alonso. I also remember Rosberg hinding Schumacher's qualifying at Monaco, which could of been mercedes best quali session of the year, not only did Mercedes underperform, the car wasn't working for Schumacher at all tracks, some tracks he knows he went the wrong direction set up wise, but when he was hooked up, it was mercedes themselfs that tripped up Schumacher. All in all a annoying year and tough year to get through, underfunded operation for the returning legend, it was always about 2011 very early in 2010.



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#8170 aditya-now

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 02:00

...underfunded operation for the returning legend, it was always about 2011 very early in 2010.


Amen.

As usual, he should have been overfunded and given the very best material, as is his right.


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Posted 21 December 2010 - 03:03

You live in Asia, cheapracer, so you may have heard about action/reaction and the law of karma. If Schumi has all the things he did coming back at him, and if it all culminates in one incident, then Lord protect him!!!


Somebody call the elevator please... :|


Can we have some sanity around here please ? I dont think this is what one calls good posting by any standards.

Aditya now, you didnt answer the question Ivan posted, are you implying that Senna, GV and others died on the racetrack because "they had things coming back at them" ?

Utterly disgusting post, that, really.

#8172 ivand911

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 08:38

Somebody call the elevator please... :|

I think he mean it in the good way. That somebody to make sure that Sir Moss will take the elevator this time. This is how I read the post. We don't want to miss him(and his thoughts) next season.


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Posted 21 December 2010 - 10:05

Once again Moss shows how anti Schumi he is, embarrassing

#8174 aditya-now

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 10:23

Can we have some sanity around here please ? I dont think this is what one calls good posting by any standards.

Aditya now, you didnt answer the question Ivan posted, are you implying that Senna, GV and others died on the racetrack because "they had things coming back at them" ?

Utterly disgusting post, that, really.


Ah, SparkPlug riding the moral high ground.

There may or may not be a causal connection between Hungaroring 2010 and Abu Dhabi 2010 - it is difficult to prove and difficult to disprove. The point is, that had anything worse happened to Michael in Abu Dhabi, how would the "offending" driver (and indeed all of us) have felt? In Abu Dhabi, there was not sign of an liberated attempt, just bad luck and wrong timing. At Hungaroring however, Michael chose to press Barrichello against the wall consciously, which I find disgusting and unworthy of a great sportsmen. Maybe Michael saw in Abu Dhabi how wrong things can possibly go and he will refrain from taking such risks in the future.

It depends on Michael´s consciousness if he is able to see a connection between Hungaroring and Abu Dhabi, be it karmic, philosophical or otherwise, and take the consequences. The difference between the two incidents is that the one was premeditated, the other one was not. The similarity between the two incidents was that in both case we were extremely lucky that nothing worse happened.

SparkPlug, the issue you are really avoiding is the risky driving of MS - and Michael should have learned after all those years.

As for Ivan´s question, I was not implying anything for Senna, GV, Clark or others, this is his, your or whoever´s interpretation, which is disgusting in itself, because I never said that and you try to put such words into my mouth. Talk about manipulative posting.

#8175 aditya-now

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 10:25

Low.


Low are all the vintage Michael on-track actions put together, but I know it´s difficult for you when someone calls a spade a spade.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 11:09

Ah, SparkPlug riding the moral high ground.

There may or may not be a causal connection between Hungaroring 2010 and Abu Dhabi 2010 - it is difficult to prove and difficult to disprove. The point is, that had anything worse happened to Michael in Abu Dhabi, how would the "offending" driver (and indeed all of us) have felt? In Abu Dhabi, there was not sign of an liberated attempt, just bad luck and wrong timing. At Hungaroring however, Michael chose to press Barrichello against the wall consciously, which I find disgusting and unworthy of a great sportsmen. Maybe Michael saw in Abu Dhabi how wrong things can possibly go and he will refrain from taking such risks in the future.

It depends on Michael´s consciousness if he is able to see a connection between Hungaroring and Abu Dhabi, be it karmic, philosophical or otherwise, and take the consequences. The difference between the two incidents is that the one was premeditated, the other one was not. The similarity between the two incidents was that in both case we were extremely lucky that nothing worse happened.

SparkPlug, the issue you are really avoiding is the risky driving of MS - and Michael should have learned after all those years.

As for Ivan´s question, I was not implying anything for Senna, GV, Clark or others, this is his, your or whoever´s interpretation, which is disgusting in itself, because I never said that and you try to put such words into my mouth. Talk about manipulative posting.

Your post was only concerned with Karma and its consequences. I can see that you're trying to save yourself further embarrassment on the board by talking tangentially and without any real point in your post whatsoever. Fair enough.

#8177 aditya-now

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 11:35

Your post was only concerned with Karma and its consequences. I can see that you're trying to save yourself further embarrassment on the board by talking tangentially and without any real point in your post whatsoever. Fair enough.


And again you are avoiding the real issue discussed here, the recent statements of Sir Stirling Moss in light of the new FIA regulations, that pertain to examples of driving like Hungaroring 2010. That is what sparked off these renewed exchanges. We still do not have you on record praising or distancing yourself from driving antics such as Michael´s at the Hungaroring...do you have an opinion at all?

Concerning karma: quite often I come across terms such as "karma is a bitch" etc. in posts on this BB, so it seems that causality is generally accepted around these quarters. However, only if it concerns "light" events that we can laugh about. As soon as the same principle (and if karma indeed exists, it must work on the light as well as on the heavier cases...) is applied at the more consequential cases than we have a moral uproar here with statements like "low" and "this post is disgusting".

Either avoid mentioning karma at all, or accept it as a working principle in both light and heavier cases. I do mention karma because I know from experience it works, and watching things unfold I take my conclusions.
If you do not comment on "karma´s a bitch" etc, please do not comment on such observations like mine as well. Otherwise you are just seen as making it a topic whenever it suits you.


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Posted 21 December 2010 - 14:33

As a descendant of the people that coined the term and laid down the concept ages ago,I'd say some of the talk on here by the bashers betrays their complete lack of understanding of the idea or its modern variant. I've pointed out previously that if MS' stock of ill luck was so bad,he would never have won so much and been so successful in the first place. If he was a seven time champion and won 91 races,clearly-according to these bulls*it interpretations-he must've done seventeen thousand and one truckloads full of good all his life to have deserved it,yeah? Karma has nothing to do with causality-that would be nyaya-and neither have anything to do with morality. Somebody's actions being examined against the backdrop of a clearly biased and flawed value system: doesn't look like its got to do with morality,either. Just a random opinion. The moment you wish death upon a person you'd lose the right to pass judgement upon another's ethical behaviour, so these 'arguments' wouldn't be taken seriously under any system of law or moral code.


This is why I intensely dislike popcorn philosophy and these new age guru types - half knowledge and gross misinterpretation of ideas and notions without making ANY allowance for cultural biases/peculiarities has caused enough trouble and misery in the world already. Not to mention a complete waste of time on irrelevant stuff..

#8179 SparkPlug

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:45

And again you are avoiding the real issue discussed here, the recent statements of Sir Stirling Moss in light of the new FIA regulations, that pertain to examples of driving like Hungaroring 2010. That is what sparked off these renewed exchanges. We still do not have you on record praising or distancing yourself from driving antics such as Michael´s at the Hungaroring...do you have an opinion at all?

Concerning karma: quite often I come across terms such as "karma is a bitch" etc. in posts on this BB, so it seems that causality is generally accepted around these quarters. However, only if it concerns "light" events that we can laugh about. As soon as the same principle (and if karma indeed exists, it must work on the light as well as on the heavier cases...) is applied at the more consequential cases than we have a moral uproar here with statements like "low" and "this post is disgusting".

Either avoid mentioning karma at all, or accept it as a working principle in both light and heavier cases. I do mention karma because I know from experience it works, and watching things unfold I take my conclusions.
If you do not comment on "karma´s a bitch" etc, please do not comment on such observations like mine as well. Otherwise you are just seen as making it a topic whenever it suits you.


The real issue is you talking about "bad karma" and how it could get back at Michael and kill him if his Karma is to calculated. Dont mince words and type in double speak. I dont care what you seem to think of my posts, but fact is sometimes you get way out of line in your blinded hatred for one man. Truly sick thoughts in your post wherein you are clearly implying that if karma adds up, you wouldnt be surprised if Michael had a serious injury in his next accident. I would say a ban on posts like that which imply mortal harm on another person is very necessary. It is important to curb such sort of disgusting behaviour on internet forums. Especially by people who spit venom behind the protection of a computer screen.

PS : I dont have to justify my stand about Hungary to you at all. I dont know what makes you think I owe you an explanation. Dont expect any more replies from me on this topic :wave:

Edited by SparkPlug, 21 December 2010 - 17:46.


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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:06

You live in Asia, cheapracer, so you may have heard about action/reaction and the law of karma. If Schumi has all the things he did coming back at him, and if it all culminates in one incident, then Lord protect him!!!


I guess he is not as bad and dirty as Rindt or Senna.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:18

You live in Asia, cheapracer, so you may have heard about action/reaction and the law of karma. If Schumi has all the things he did coming back at him, and if it all culminates in one incident, then Lord protect him!!!


Yeah I'm still waiting for all those "things" to be eleborated on - should be easy as so many people keep mentioning them.

This was my post above somewhere that went unanswered, not the first time similar posts have gone unanswered either ....

You can back that up with facts of course.
I'll even help get you started, official incidents 1997 and 2006, now help us out with the other 13 years, I'll even accept incidents of arrogance in lieu of cheats - otherwise I'm calling you out as a trolling liar ......




#8182 aditya-now

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:44

Yeah I'm still waiting for all those "things" to be eleborated on - should be easy as so many people keep mentioning them.

This was my post above somewhere that went unanswered, not the first time similar posts have gone unanswered either ....


You want to hear the whole list of Schumacher transgressions elaborated on one more time? How repetitive. Clearly you must take some (masochist? sadistic?) enjoyment in reading the actions of MS. Just glance through this thread and it´s in thousands of posts, there is enough mention of them.

I won´t take time to elaborate on them.

Edited by aditya-now, 22 December 2010 - 11:30.


#8183 aditya-now

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:56

The real issue is you talking about "bad karma" and how it could get back at Michael and kill him if his Karma is to calculated. Dont mince words and type in double speak. I dont care what you seem to think of my posts, but fact is sometimes you get way out of line in your blinded hatred for one man. Truly sick thoughts in your post wherein you are clearly implying that if karma adds up, you wouldnt be surprised if Michael had a serious injury in his next accident. I would say a ban on posts like that which imply mortal harm on another person is very necessary. It is important to curb such sort of disgusting behaviour on internet forums. Especially by people who spit venom behind the protection of a computer screen.

PS : I dont have to justify my stand about Hungary to you at all. I dont know what makes you think I owe you an explanation. Dont expect any more replies from me on this topic :wave:



I did not expect any replies from you, and I am not interested in them, as they are clearly biased (against me). Also, as you have read in BRKs post above, karma has nothing to do with moral, and you take a very moralistic stance here. It fits the current fashion of being politically correct.

It goes both ways, though: while you accuse me of "truly sick thoughts" and "blind hatred", you ignore the fact that Michael again and again has put fellow drivers at risk - and that in the real world, not on a BB.

Would other drivers display such dangerous maneuvres as MS has shown again and again in 2010 (Barrichello and Massa, ironically, his two Brazilian ex-team mates having been some of the receiving parties) as well as his first career, I would take the same stance. If it ever would come back on anyone´s head, may God protect him. And I mean this in the most positive sense of the term - that they may have protection, even though they put others at risk.

To this day, Michael sadly has a special record in this department.



PS : I dont have to justify my stand about Hungary to you at all. I dont know what makes you think I owe you an explanation.


We do have you on record anyway, talk about double speak - this is what you had posted in another thread just seven minutes earlier:

Everyone and his dog knows Schumacher was unsporting, it was(is) a flaw in his personality.


Edited by aditya-now, 22 December 2010 - 12:13.


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Posted 22 December 2010 - 11:42

Schumacher learnt from Senna, the kids learn from Schumacher, do not blame only Schumi for this, plus, hardly ever has he over step the mark, its a witch hunt

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 12:12

Schumacher learnt from Senna, the kids learn from Schumacher, do not blame only Schumi for this, plus, hardly ever has he over step the mark, its a witch hunt


We don´t cry over spilt milk!
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 13:45

Schumacher learnt from Senna, the kids learn from Schumacher, do not blame only Schumi for this, plus, hardly ever has he over step the mark, its a witch hunt


Hardly ever means you accept that he has stepped over the mark then and on those occasions he has been let off very lightly. He is after all, the only driver on the grid to have deliberately crashed into an opponent.

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#8187 Zoe

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 13:49

That is true, however he is not the first to do so. And you couldn't say that it was planned.

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#8188 Hacklerf

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 13:52

Of course he has been wild on times, in the time he has been in F1 many years, fighting at the front, to always be perfect is a huge challenge, i think its great tho, one character, who can divide fans so much is incredible for F1

Schumacher will be back, the old man has lost no speed, the only thing he has lost was 3 years, in which to in tune him self to these new cars.

#8189 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 16:05

Hardly ever means you accept that he has stepped over the mark then and on those occasions he has been let off very lightly. He is after all, the only driver on the grid to have deliberately crashed into an opponent.

alguersari hit kobayashi about 2 times in the same turn, on purpose both of them (revenge for a hard move by koba, but very much on purporse did)


#8190 nomeg1

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 17:19

Of course he has been wild on times, in the time he has been in F1 many years, fighting at the front, to always be perfect is a huge challenge, i think its great tho, one character, who can divide fans so much is incredible for F1

Schumacher will be back, the old man has lost no speed, the only thing he has lost was 3 years, in which to in tune him self to these new cars.

I agree.
He said today to the German medias "What we are now building for 2011, fills me with happiness" - The Red (Silver) Baron will be back :clap:

#8191 ivand911

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 18:14

Schumacher: I deserved 2010 criticism
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88746
Q&A with Michael Schumacher
http://www.gpupdate....ael-schumacher/

And still there is so much time until February 1.
And as BRK said Michael really have to make many good things in his life to have such nice karma to become 7 time WDC. He make millions people happy. I just hope to read his interviews after one year about his plans with the team for 2012.

Edited by ivand911, 22 December 2010 - 18:28.


#8192 baddog

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 20:53

He is after all, the only driver on the grid to have deliberately crashed into an opponent.

Not even close.

#8193 as65p

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 21:03

Schumacher: I deserved 2010 criticism
...


Nice. So, will the "lovers" now concede that the "haters" have been right all year long?

:drunk:

#8194 Johnrambo

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 21:11

Not even close.


Examples please?

#8195 carbonfibre

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 21:55

Nice. So, will the "lovers" now concede that the "haters" have been right all year long?

:drunk:

There is a difference between realistic criticism and unreasonable criticism.;)

Edited by carbonfibre, 22 December 2010 - 21:56.


#8196 ivand911

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 08:22

There is difference between criticism and insults too.

#8197 as65p

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 09:47

There is a difference between realistic criticism and unreasonable criticism.;)


Sure. Same goes if you replace "criticism" with "praise" in your sentence, doesn't it?  ;)

#8198 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 09:49

Sure. Same goes if you replace "criticism" with "praise" in your sentence, doesn't it? ;)


Who praised Schumacher for his performances this year?

IIRC there was DEFENCE of his performances and 'praise' (which was slightly reserved) only towards the later part of the year....

#8199 as65p

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 10:02

Who praised Schumacher for his performances this year?

IIRC there was DEFENCE of his performances and 'praise' (which was slightly reserved) only towards the later part of the year....


Okay "defense" is another term one could use in carbonfibre's sentence, well spotted.

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#8200 Ramses1348

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 10:08

Examples please?


Hamilton canada 2008 (the red light was of course a brainfade, but how fortunate was it that he crashed into his title opponent instead of the bmw that was in front of him? :o )

:smoking:

Edited by Ramses1348, 23 December 2010 - 10:08.