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#8701 merschu

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 18:23

Michael Schumacher recently competed in a kart race, where he finished 1st and his brother Ralf 3rd.

Michael Schumacher has once again taken the wheel of a kart KZ2 Sunday, March 6, on the German circuit of Oschersleben, participating in the Winterpokal ADAC.

The champion also contaminated his brother Ralph with his passion for karting. In fact, the two Schumacher brothers traveled together on the runway at the Arena Oschersleben Motorspo rt and they both reached the podium. Michael won the race while Ralph won a third place them another Tony Kart-Vortex-driven Jeleniowski.

Ralph and Michael are both pilots of the Mercedes team, the first under the colors in the MAC championship DTM and Michael, unused to say, is the spearhead of the German F1 Team.


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#8702 JackTorrance

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 14:37

Schumacher :clap: :clap: :up: :up: Old man, past it, shows the young uns how its done :)

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 14:56

Michael must feel good today, even if Nico should beat his time later on.

Edited by Sakae, 11 March 2011 - 14:56.


#8704 merschu

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 15:00

So will Merc let Schumi drive the car a bit tomorrow so that he can atleast understand what it's like to drive the Merc in rainy conditions or try the new intermidiate tyres?


P:S- Not trying to create any fight! Just curious.

#8705 Hacklerf

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 15:02

Good point merschu

#8706 Frans

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 15:05

Ah the Glory Lap-man at work again I see....

#8707 arknor

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 15:05

So will Merc let Schumi drive the car a bit tomorrow so that he can atleast understand what it's like to drive the Merc in rainy conditions or try the new intermidiate tyres?


P:S- Not trying to create any fight! Just curious.

bet they wont , nico only gets an hour anyway i doubt michael is to bothred about losing 1 hour seeing as hes done some good mileage when you count all tests together

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 15:09

I can't wait for the first "podium jump"!

#8709 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 15:14

bet they wont , nico only gets an hour anyway i doubt michael is to bothred about losing 1 hour seeing as hes done some good mileage when you count all tests together

I think it is not about loosing time , it is more about testing the wet tyres tomorrow. Could be handy.
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#8710 Tarzaan

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 16:50

:)

#8711 salamin

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 16:54

so according to schumacher, he will drive tomorrow as well :up:

#8712 Tardis40

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 18:01

Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap Laps
1. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m21.249s 67
2. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m21.614s + 0.365s 141


The good old days, these two p1 and p2 ! :)


#8713 ali.unal

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 18:22

Schumacher and Nico both will drive tomorrow.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 18:48

Schumacher :clap: :clap: :up: :up: Old man, past it, shows the young uns how its done :)


Up against decent karters he doesn't come out quite so well ;)

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 19:04

Up against decent karters he doesn't come out quite so well ;)


Yeah for sure :rotfl:



Massa, Schumacher, Di Grassi, Burti, Liuzzi, Piquet Jr, Bia Figueiredo, Barrichello, Tony Kanaan, Pizzonia

#8716 RSNS

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 19:53

Yeah for sure :rotfl:



Massa, Schumacher, Di Grassi, Burti, Liuzzi, Piquet Jr, Bia Figueiredo, Barrichello, Tony Kanaan, Pizzonia


The Brazilian commentators are fabulous!! It's almost impossible not to like them. About Bia Figueiredo: 'even the kart is more elegant!' :)


#8717 rhukkas

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 20:44

Yeah for sure :rotfl:



Massa, Schumacher, Di Grassi, Burti, Liuzzi, Piquet Jr, Bia Figueiredo, Barrichello, Tony Kanaan, Pizzonia


I said karters not car racers or ex-karters. Considering how much Schumi still drives karts you would expect to beat his car racing peers in go-karts. Up against guys like Ardigo and Thonon he's not quick enough, and this was proved quite conclusively in 2009 when he raced them and couldn't get close :)

The ol' man is damn good though considering his age.

Edited by rhukkas, 11 March 2011 - 20:51.


#8718 Augurk

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 21:01

I said karters not car racers or ex-karters. Considering how much Schumi still drives karts you would expect to beat his car racing peers in go-karts. Up against guys like Ardigo and Thonon he's not quick enough, and this was proved quite conclusively in 2009 when he raced them and couldn't get close :)

The ol' man is damn good though considering his age.

None of the f1 drivers get close to the actual top karters. They probably would if they'd focus completely on karting :)

#8719 rhukkas

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 21:03

None of the f1 drivers get close to the actual top karters. They probably would if they'd focus completely on karting :)


same could be said visa versa ;) funny ol' world motorsport.

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#8720 Augurk

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 21:15

same could be said visa versa ;) funny ol' world motorsport.

Definitely :)

#8721 black magic

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 21:29

Is it me or is michael looking that little bit sharper this yr

has had more mileage than rosberg but consistantly getting better times

#8722 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 21:35

Is it me or is michael looking that little bit sharper this yr

has had more mileage than rosberg but consistantly getting better times

Will see when season start. Now with different programs they run it is difficult to say. I hope this car will be much more suitable for him. Not to fight it, like last year car. The rest is easy. :)

Edited by ivand911, 11 March 2011 - 21:38.


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Posted 11 March 2011 - 21:45

The naysayers are getting desperate which is always a good sign

#8724 Fondmetal

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 22:29

I have a feeling Michael is going to get the better of Rosberg this year. He is looking very sharp and very focussed... not the happy smiles and care free fun attitude he showed last season..

I think he is back to his usual self.. focussed, single minded and determined to silence the critics.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 22:30

nico_rosberg Nico Rosberg

Cool. Thanks to the Team! Good effort to improve the car! Rear wing adjust broke when I took over the car so that cost me lots of lap time.

:lol:
i always sense jealousy in this kid

#8726 ali.unal

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 22:33

:lol:
i always sense jealousy in this kid

So, he says he could have beaten Michael? :)

#8727 Frans

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 22:36

Of course he could, the last 4 years he was already faster in f1 than Michael.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 22:46

So, he says he could have beaten Michael? :)

i assume so.

#8729 steveninthematrix

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 04:51

the new front tires are allowing the car to be setup a bit over-steery, Michael is the only driver I know of that likes this, and balances the rear-end out with the throttle...

with the better more efficient front-aero, and front tires being grippier than the hard bridgestones which never wear out, I'm expecting Merc and Michael to jump near the front if the car is at least close to Redbull and Ferrari.

having watched Michael since 91, he wants an over-steery car; now, with the tires from the 90's (no grooves), and loads of HP, this was always possible.

the two cars MS drove which wasnt as good at it, was the Ferrari 2003 (Rubens was a lot closer to MS that year than any other year at Ferrari), and the Merc last year.... ; with the new more efficient aero of the Merc, and the new front-tires, Michael is feeling his groove.... after 1 year in F1, you can adapt quite easily, but after 20 years, you don't just change your style, and MS is the only driver I know who wants over-steer;

win #92, here we come.

#8730 steveninthematrix

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 04:54

Michael - Imola Quali 2004



look at 55 seconds, the handling and quickness through the chicane... beautiful.

#8731 merschu

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:27

Nico Rosberg posted this not so clear image of Schumi driving with his helmet for some filming work!

http://plixi.com/p/83272187

#8732 Tarzaan

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:37

I have a feeling Michael is going to get the better of Rosberg this year. He is looking very sharp and very focussed... not the happy smiles and care free fun attitude he showed last season..

I think he is back to his usual self.. focussed, single minded and determined to silence the critics.



Michael is better driver than Nico. To be exact Michael is the best driver in the F1 (all time). :wave:

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:24

Michael needs to put this Nico kid to his place.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:59

A lot of people underestimated how much the three year layoff would affect Michael's performance. That's not something that you get back overnight. Plus the crap car didn't help. This year we can look forward to a much better result.


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Posted 12 March 2011 - 07:12

:lol:
i always sense jealousy in this kid

I think we didn't hear this for the first time? When Nico is driving , Rear wing adjust is broken every time. But, he didn't say about the tyres. So,I guess he did have fresh sets? They need to resolve this rear wing adjust problem.


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Posted 12 March 2011 - 07:34

I think its just sensible that he would mention this.. but sure, Nico has since the beginning been sensitive to anything that might make it look as if he is being outperformed, even for a session. Who can blame him though?

He ought to be over it now.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 07:47

the new front tires are allowing the car to be setup a bit over-steery, Michael is the only driver I know of that likes this, and balances the rear-end out with the throttle...

with the better more efficient front-aero, and front tires being grippier than the hard bridgestones which never wear out, I'm expecting Merc and Michael to jump near the front if the car is at least close to Redbull and Ferrari.

having watched Michael since 91, he wants an over-steery car; now, with the tires from the 90's (no grooves), and loads of HP, this was always possible.

the two cars MS drove which wasnt as good at it, was the Ferrari 2003 (Rubens was a lot closer to MS that year than any other year at Ferrari), and the Merc last year.... ; with the new more efficient aero of the Merc, and the new front-tires, Michael is feeling his groove.... after 1 year in F1, you can adapt quite easily, but after 20 years, you don't just change your style, and MS is the only driver I know who wants over-steer;

win #92, here we come.

Nobody wants overstreer, he wants a nervous/pointy car, not oversteer. The mere term oversteer speaks for itself, it'll over-steer on him. Now, there is a relative balance that might feel perfectly balanced to one driver that might feel like chronic oversteer to another. Schumacher doesn't exactly require a front heavy car, he requires a nervous, stiff car that reacts quickly to small steering inputs, this doesn't automatically make the car oversteer, however, he does require a lot of rear en grip as well (specially at mid corner) to make it work as he does (he's not an extremely early accelerator hence why he spends less time at full throttle when compared to some drivers), so, it's not an "oversteer" by definition.

Edited by Birelman, 12 March 2011 - 07:50.


#8738 Speed_Racer

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 08:54

Is there a quote from Schumacher himself about what kind of car behavior he prefers?

Until now, I've only seen instances of Jenson Button, Martini Brundle, James Allen, the folks who write in Autosport, etc. claiming that the absence of a 'pointy' car to be the reason Michael was not as fast as we'd expected him to be.

Has Michael ever mentioned unfavorable car behavior and its incompatibility to his driving style as an excuse for his lackluster 2010?

#8739 BRK

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 09:03

Is there a quote from Schumacher himself about what kind of car behavior he prefers?

Until now, I've only seen instances of Jenson Button, Martini Brundle, James Allen, the folks who write in Autosport, etc. claiming that the absence of a 'pointy' car to be the reason Michael was not as fast as we'd expected him to be.

Has Michael ever mentioned unfavorable car behavior and its incompatibility to his driving style as an excuse for his lackluster 2010?


Actually no,I don't think there are any. He did remark on a couple of occasions that the tyres did not suit his driving style but always added that these things didn't really matter,that adapting to the circumstances and conditions wasn't a problem for him at all.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 09:14

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/9418556.stm

7:13 onwards ... DC says that he does not understand this theory about driving style/car behavior issue hurting Michael .. and goes on to say that in the past MS was able to win in any car given to him

Edited by Speed_Racer, 12 March 2011 - 09:17.


#8741 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 11:17

Of course he could, the last 4 years he was already faster in f1 than Michael.


Does that include the 3 years off that Schumacher had too?

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 11:53

Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap Laps
1. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m21.249s 67
2. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m21.614s + 0.365s 141


The good old days, these two p1 and p2 ! :)


Notwithstanding how misleading and meaningless these numbers potentially might be, I agree that mentally it has to have calming effect, altghough he is not anyone's fool, and knows more accurately than we do as to where the development is heading. Good stuff!

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 12:23

Notwithstanding how misleading and meaningless these numbers potentially might be, I agree that mentally it has to have calming effect, altghough he is not anyone's fool, and knows more accurately than we do as to where the development is heading. Good stuff!

alonso and vettel both know michaels a serious threat if he gets a car that can get anywhre near the podium, you can tell by some of the comments they make.
some of the other drivers can think what they want they havent experienced the real michael yet, although button and hamilton did get a little taste.

vettel will know from almost beeing mentored by michael from a young age and alonso knows from the years they spent as rivals.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 17:42

Just don't be so quick to discount Nico. He'll be there as well, probably beating MS on several occassions this season. They're close.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 18:59

Is there a quote from Schumacher himself about what kind of car behavior he prefers?

Until now, I've only seen instances of Jenson Button, Martini Brundle, James Allen, the folks who write in Autosport, etc. claiming that the absence of a 'pointy' car to be the reason Michael was not as fast as we'd expected him to be.

Has Michael ever mentioned unfavorable car behavior and its incompatibility to his driving style as an excuse for his lackluster 2010?


I think there is, but I only listened to it on the first GP tv transmission: Schumacher said that he was learning to handle the car because he could not turn it in mid corner with the throttle.

Now that is a very accurate description of a stably understeery car. What Schumacher seems to want is kart-like behaviour: you accelerate, the rear tires go sideways (but they don't loose grip, they only move in a pronounced oblique line) and the car is pointing into the right direction, allowing progressive throttle to be applied early and full throttle when the car is almost straight.

In a nutshell: Schumacher likes the car to turn around its middle using the throttle, that is, a very 'nervous' car. That is (partly) why Schumacher's style shows so many small corrections and why he never was the 'full throttle on exit' type of driver.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 19:02

The Brazilian commentators are fabulous!! It's almost impossible not to like them. About Bia Figueiredo: 'even the kart is more elegant!' :)


The video commented in that post show, very graphically, the points I tried to make in the previous post. See

and all the related videos.

Edited by RSNS, 12 March 2011 - 19:03.


#8747 merschu

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:29

Doctor says Schumacher can run up to 50 years

At 42 years, Michael Schumacher is about to begin his 18th season in Formula 1, and can not rule renew its contract with Mercedes GP by the end of 2013. The German now has 45 years, but according to his doctor, age is not an obstacle.

"Michael is fit," confirmed Johannes Peil, personal physician of seven times world champion driver. "He could keep riding until 50," he added.


Asked by the German newspaper Bild that Schumacher may extend his contract beyond 2012, the businesswoman Sabine Kehm proved lively with this hypothesis.

"Of course we are open to discussion, because it sits very well with the team. Michael is totally motivated and can still give a lot to Formula 1, "said the businesswoman.


Mercedes GP has also proved in favor of extending the contract from German, which runs through 2012. Automaker's sports director Norbert Haug said he might run in 2012 "if he wants and if the team can reach an agreement."


http://translate.goo...os-50-anos.jhtm

Edited by merschu, 14 March 2011 - 12:32.


#8748 Sakae

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:36

Wow.

#8749 metz

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:40

What's NH saying about 2012, that both parties need to want and agree?
I thought 2012 was the last year of the existing 3 year deal he has?

#8750 ivand911

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:46

What's NH saying about 2012, that both parties need to want and agree?
I thought 2012 was the last year of the existing 3 year deal he has?

They are talking after 2012.