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#8751 merschu

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:51

Here is an English article on the same topic. The translation is better. :)

Michael Schumacher is not ruling out staying in Formula One beyond the end of his current contract.

Mercedes' Norbert Haug at the weekend said he can imagine teaming up with the famous seven time world champion in 2013 "If Michael wants it and we can agree on a right price".

Schumacher's manager Sabine Kehm responded to Bild newspaper: "Of course we are open to discussions, because with the team we feel very good.

"Michael is totally motivated and is able to give F1 a lot more," she added.

By the end of 2013, Schumacher will be approaching his 45th birthday, but the great German's doctor Johannes Peil said age is not an obstacle.

"Michael is so fit," he insisted, "he could still be driving at 50."

Perhaps the key to Schumacher's willingness to re-sign beyond 2012 is the better performance of the Mercedes team, following a disappointing return to F1 last year.


Until very recently, the new W02 was a second off the pace but last week at Barcelona "We made the big step we had calculated", admitted a relieved Haug.

"We took a giant step forwards," confirmed Schumacher's teammate Nico Rosberg, who admitted that Schumacher's best laptime in Barcelona with the upgrade package showed that the W02 is "very fast".

"Even if the time was with low fuel, it surprised us. And many others, I am sure," said Red Bull's reigning world champion Sebastian Vettel.

But Haug told the SID news agency: "I don't see us as the favourites; that is going to take a while yet."


http://old.motorspor...p...01999&FS=F1


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:54

We'll see. He's certainly super fit at 43, and I noticed a marked change between last season and testing this year,he really seems to have been slugging it out in the gym.

If there's one man in the sport that can keep this up,it's Michael. So it's no wonder even the physios think so.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:57

Michael talks about Japan

Michael shocked by catastrophe
"My compassion is with the people of Japan

"We are all in a total shock and horror after what has been happening to the people of Japan. It is just terrible to see all the damage and agony. Even if that is very little, I would like them to know that my thoughts and compassion are with them.

I suffer with all the people who have lost familiy-members or friends, and I wish them a lot of strength to overcome this terrible catastrophe. "

http://michael-schum...story_id=116266


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 14:49

We'll see. He's certainly super fit at 43, and I noticed a marked change between last season and testing this year,he really seems to have been slugging it out in the gym.

If there's one man in the sport that can keep this up,it's Michael. So it's no wonder even the physios think so.

I think I said about a week or two ago that I wouldn't be surprised if Michael actually stayed on beyond 2012 as long as the car worked--looks like I was on the right track. :p

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 16:33

I was going through my old F1 magazines and found this quote from Michael,
Total Sport, September 1996:


"Q: When will you retire?"
MS: To be honest, sooner rather than later... There's a problem with old drivers. If you go right up to the age limit then you start to think about it, the driving, and then you become too slow.
So I guess I could go on for another five or six years... as long as I'm enjoying it."



I suppose he still enjoys it. And his speed seems to be ok as well.
But it's interesting hearing him talking about quitting in the early 00 or thereabouts.
While he is still going strong in 2011 and thinking about driving beyond 2012...




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Posted 14 March 2011 - 16:50

:lol:
i always sense jealousy in this kid

I think we didn't hear this for the first time? When Nico is driving , Rear wing adjust is broken every time. But, he didn't say about the tyres. So,I guess he did have fresh sets? They need to resolve this rear wing adjust problem.

spot on! What a coincidence!!!

Everytime Nico gets beaten, he has a technical problem. :rolleyes:

I'm smelling a year full of complaints about car's problem regarding Nico and Schumi haters saying that Brawn is benefiting Michael.

#8757 Hacklerf

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 16:51

Michael will go on as long as he enjoys it, i hope he stays after 2012

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 19:57

Michael will go on as long as he enjoys it, i hope he stays after 2012



Same here, but I think he will hang his helmet on a spike in the garage wall by the end of 2012. Kids are growing, and papa will want to be probably around them.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 19:58

I was going through my old F1 magazines and found this quote from Michael,
Total Sport, September 1996:


"Q: When will you retire?"
MS: To be honest, sooner rather than later... There's a problem with old drivers. If you go right up to the age limit then you start to think about it, the driving, and then you become too slow.
So I guess I could go on for another five or six years... as long as I'm enjoying it."



I suppose he still enjoys it. And his speed seems to be ok as well.
But it's interesting hearing him talking about quitting in the early 00 or thereabouts.
While he is still going strong in 2011 and thinking about driving beyond 2012...



Wow, good find and I also remember all the speculation how Shumi would go and retire and the end of this or that season.

Anyway: ALL HAIL THE KING!!!! :up:

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 23:44


I'm not quite sure what to say.

#8761 Raelene

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 23:47

oh my.,...

#8762 ch103

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 23:57


I'm not quite sure what to say.


at least the chick singing is hot

#8763 JackTorrance

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 00:17

I remember the german showing hours and hours of non stop shumi admiration tributes after he won his 7th title. it was great to watch :)

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 00:27

Wow, good find and I also remember all the speculation how Shumi would go and retire and the end of this or that season.

Anyway: ALL HAIL THE KING!!!! :up:


Wishful thinking by his detractors.


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Posted 15 March 2011 - 00:29


I'm not quite sure what to say.


Thanks, I just added that to my collection.

There's a nice one about Michael and Corinna on there. A bit sappy, but lots of good pictures.

http://www.youtube.c...mp;feature=fvwp

Edited by Tardis40, 15 March 2011 - 00:30.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 02:16

the advanatge to michael of a competitive car is that will give him finally the knowledge whether he really still has what it takes.

knowing you are not producing in a good car despite 2 yrs trying will make him see the sense of retiring gracefully.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 03:19

Thanks, I just added that to my collection.

There's a nice one about Michael and Corinna on there. A bit sappy, but lots of good pictures.

http://www.youtube.c...mp;feature=fvwp


a BIT sappy - that's the work of a stalker!!

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 04:05

Michael will go on as long as he enjoys it, i hope he stays after 2012


Agreed.

I hope that Merc gives him and Nico the car to let them slug it out with the Ferraris, Red Bulls, and McLarens. Wouldn`t that be great fun.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 04:08

Thanks, I just added that to my collection.

There's a nice one about Michael and Corinna on there. A bit sappy, but lots of good pictures.

http://www.youtube.c...mp;feature=fvwp


The hell?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 12:46

Presenting Sir Stirling Moss - 2011. I don't think I'll ever see the end of this. It's fascinating how former drivers perceive Michael. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course but somehow I think Moss expresses his in a disrespectful manner (marked in bold below). But again, that's just MY opinion ! ;)


Asked whether he felt Schumacher would do it this year, Moss pulled no punches again as he scoffed: "No he's not. Do you mean win? No, of course he's not.

"Michael is a great driver, a seven times world champion, which does not actually mean much.

"The point is we have never really seen Michael with a number two (a team-mate) to judge him by, that we can say is comparable.

"Therefore it is very difficult for us to know just how good he is, so personally I don't think he's going to win races.

"I think coming back was a mistake.He has done a tremendous amount for motor-racing, most of all bringing Ferrari back to the top when they were doing nothing.

"But I think it's going to be very difficult for him again. He's going to be lucky to even get on the podium."


Full article here

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 12:50

We know sir Moss well, so I am not surprised at all about his opinion. Nothing new.
I like the last part: "Schumacher, you have been warned." :rotfl:

Edited by ivand911, 16 March 2011 - 12:55.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 12:58

We know sir Moss well, so I am not surprised at all about his opinion. Nothing new.
I like the last part: "Schumacher, you have been warned." :rotfl:


yip, Moss is british, Schumi is german, enough said;

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91 wins, 7 championships, and still the tallest tree catches all the wind and no respect; its ridiculous...

did anyone watch Hungary 98 or Spain 96 or Brazil 2006???

having watched Michael since his first race, anyone doubting just how good he is, is an idiot.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 13:01

Moss only thinks World Championships do not count for much because he never won one!


Edited by F1Nutter, 16 March 2011 - 13:46.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 13:08

Stirling Moss! I don't know what to say about this guy! If don't like Schumi then don't talk about him! His statements about Schumi has now become like an old broken record! But it's one of the few ways he can now create headlines!

It's more like anyone who badmouths Schumi can grab the headlines.






Edited by merschu, 16 March 2011 - 13:57.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 13:26

I think F1Nutter meant that Stirling Moss never won a "Formula One Drivers World Championship"


Yes that is exactly what I meant.

He has always disliked Schumi. Unless you smoke a pipe and wear a smoking jacket when driving then Moss will never like you! :)

I think he should just stick to commenting on his own era, motor racing is completely different now.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 15:05

Sir Moss is perfectly right in his right of having an opinion. Poor man can't defend himself on forums. I share his opinions 100%, Schumacher makes no chance even not in 2011.

He makes good strong points in his comments and opinion. I mean, the man Schumacher never had a 'real' teammate. He only had one, because all other teams have one. Really!

The may be a little exception on this, and that's Schumacher begin period at Benetton. But still it's questionably the time he(his manager?) came up with that plan to never had a fair teammate to make him look better and give him more chance on the title, and set it in work.

He is KNOWN to never have a fair team mate. They always have been 2nd-men, the one's who had to move over or use the brake on purpose in F1. What a shame.

Therefor Moss is right to say; "We don't really know how good he REALLY is." purely on the team mate relations in his past.

We can say, well, in 2010 this was NOT the case. Well, maybe that's true.
If one compares the 2010 season of Schumacher, one should compare the 1993 Benetton season with it. Michael and Patrese. Only compared with 1993, in the Benetton team back then one must see the 1993-Patrese as the 2010-Schumacher and the 1993-Schumacher would be the 2010-Rosberg. It's comparable ...

And so long Mercedes doesn't change the team into a One-man show policy in preference for Michael, and keep on going in the line of 2010; all fair, no team-orders and stuff. Then Michael indeed could have real problems again in 2011. And he may praise the Lord on his bare knees to get even a podium.

Moss :up::up:

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 15:17

Presenting Sir Stirling Moss - 2011. I don't think I'll ever see the end of this. It's fascinating how former drivers perceive Michael. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course but somehow I think Moss expresses his in a disrespectful manner (marked in bold below). But again, that's just MY opinion ! ;)


Asked whether he felt Schumacher would do it this year, Moss pulled no punches again as he scoffed: "No he's not. Do you mean win? No, of course he's not.

"Michael is a great driver, a seven times world champion, which does not actually mean much.

"The point is we have never really seen Michael with a number two (a team-mate) to judge him by, that we can say is comparable.

"Therefore it is very difficult for us to know just how good he is, so personally I don't think he's going to win races.

"I think coming back was a mistake.He has done a tremendous amount for motor-racing, most of all bringing Ferrari back to the top when they were doing nothing.

"But I think it's going to be very difficult for him again. He's going to be lucky to even get on the podium."


Full article here

Always looking for a wedge to ram in, always looking under each stone to find something lacking...

I am not sure why we are really wasting time over his opinions; so what, it's negative, while there are others available - positive. I prefer to read those, as they coincide with mine. :wave:

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 15:43

Moss, he needs to show some respect for Michael, same old story, never changes.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 16:00

Sadly Moss seems to get more bitter with every year. The guy was a top driver, but really needs to get over his MS issues; perhaps taking a leaf out of John Surtees' book;

"... it is all very well these people who have all the negatives about Michael, but the fact remains that he created that relationship with the team which then related to the way the cars performed on the track and he got the job done," Surtees said. "He did a wonderful job for Ferrari and I am not so sure he won't do the same thing for Mercedes."

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 16:21

I know everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. But whenever I read comments from Moss, I always sense a bit of nastiness. Maybe it's just because he's always negative towards Schumacher. He never had a top team mate, but he was always able to show his abilities against his title rivals which is just as important.

I'm not even a fan of the guy, but anyone who doesn't respect his talents is a fool, and that includes past F1 drivers and champions.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 16:23

Don't think it's really fair to say he never had a real teammate. Ferrari defiantely made some really stupid team order calls but Rubens is clearly not a bad driver. Massa ain't bad either and looked atleast as good as much hyped Raikkonen in the same car, atleast until his accident. What we can say for sure is that, apart from a few races in 1991 he never had a WDC teammate. If you want have that taint his legacy of course you could. On the other hand you could argue that Irvine, Massa and Barrichello were not poor drivers at all. They are all multiple GP winners and have finished P2 in the WDC standings and most of the time Schu beat them.

IMO the Jury is out on Rosberg. He clearly had the upper hand on Schu last year. If that was due to old age, long absense, bad car or just that Rosberg is much better than anyone anticipated remains to be seen. 2011 should provide some insight given that the Merc is a somewhat decent car.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 17:03

Michael on official F1 website: I am confident that we can compete for podium finishes, and I am hopeful we can fight for victories at some of the races...

Waiting for Melbourne to learn what the real picture is.

___________

I can add, all is as expected in Barcelona, but that's not how we started first day of testing, and in our hopes we came full circle - from depression to current level of anticipation that we have a fighting chance. I really want to see Michael next to Vettel, one one one on the grid, first row - my dream.

Edited by Sakae, 16 March 2011 - 17:04.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 18:04

Always looking for a wedge to ram in, always looking under each stone to find something lacking...

I am not sure why we are really wasting time over his opinions; so what, it's negative, while there are others available - positive. I prefer to read those, as they coincide with mine. :wave:


That's okay, it will be all the more enjoyable when Michael's detractors have to swallow their words.



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Posted 16 March 2011 - 19:19

Thing about MS never having a teammate is, who could he have had - and who had one at that time anyway?

Hill had DC, surely a second man, and then JV, a rookie and also not so well regarded here (erroneously perhaps)
JV had Frentzen...
Hakkinen had DC, again...
Kimi had DC, then JPM
JPM had Ralf and Ralf JPM
Alonso had Trulli (and had him kicked out when he was being beaten) then Fisi.

Now most of MS's WDCs came with Rubens as a teammate. I'm not so sure Rubens was so poor in comparison to DC, JPM, Trulli or whoever.

MS was however head and shoulders above them all, plus - and this is part of the competition - he could eke out that advantage by forming the team around him, just as Alonso did and does, Lewis et al.

And yet of course, no one in the history of the sport, not even MS himself, has been good enough to last as long as his erstwhile teammate.


Even so, for what its worth, I've always thought he's come back in the hope Rubens leaves soon enough and he can win that last remaining record, for most GPs started.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 20:51

It's not Schumacher's fault that his team mates couldn't hold a candle to him. Barrichello was pretty highly regarded when he moved to Ferrari and got DEMOLISHED! Yes he had preferential treatment, but that makes little difference. They drove the same cars.

As an aside, does anyone really think that Schumacher would come back to F1 at the ripe old age of 41 without ensuring he enjoyed the same perks he had at Ferrari? The difference is he had a torrid time adjusting compared with Rosberg. and he got DEMOLISHED! They drove the same cars... they even modified the cars to Schumacher's liking with no change to the status quo.

There were a few seasons when Michael wrapped up the championship early, and Barrichello had the entire team devoted to him. Did we see Barichello suddenly appear like world beater? Nope.

Sir Moss is a bit jealous, I think. I also think that Michael isn't terribly concerned about what his detractors think. He just puts his head down and goes to work... Mercedes isn't looking too bad this year. If he won another two championships I'd love to hear what his detractors would say then. He's pure class. :smoking:

Signed,

Former Schumi detractor who's seen the light.



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Posted 16 March 2011 - 23:10

I'm starting to get a bit giddy for the season...I've not anticipated one for long, long time (since 2006, actually). :D

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 00:17

Poor Stirling Moss should stick to walking whilst looking fowards and not falling down elevator shafts.

I think the knock on the head must have triggered a repetitive anti-Schumacher sentiment within the old fart.

All of Murray Walker's brown nosing has made him think he is greater than he actually was.

I think it is time to adjust the medication.......

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 00:30

Moss never liked Schumi and enjoys running him down whenever possible which is sad as I liked and respected Moss until his attitude put me off him. He should go back to ****ing over fangio pictures.



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Posted 17 March 2011 - 00:40

Thing about MS never having a teammate is, who could he have had - and who had one at that time anyway?

Hill had DC, surely a second man, and then JV, a rookie and also not so well regarded here (erroneously perhaps)JV had Frentzen...
Hakkinen had DC, again...
Kimi had DC, then JPM
JPM had Ralf and RalfJPM
Alonso had Trulli (and had him kicked out when he was being beaten) then Fisi.


I emphasised the bolded part because that just shows the ridiculous nature of this forum. JV is not regarded by anyone because of his arrogance with the BAR project, it put alot of peoples noses out of joint (in and out of the pitlane/paddock) and while JV should share the blame for that, his lowly rating on this forum is beyond comprehension.

The point is (and this is leading to the MS teammates discussion) people have very, very short memories. From the time JV joined the F1 circus till Hakkinen retired/JV started to go backwards (end of 2001)...it was a commen perception that, while Schumacher was still the standout, Hakkinen and Villeneuve were the next two stars that could cut it with him. The 2 main drivers that had the pure speed, tenacity and bravado to put MS in his place. I remember this general perception especially during 1998-2000, while Hakkinen was fighting MS for another title and Villeneuve was working miracles with a very average BAR team and was being courted by other teams.

Now while Hakkinen still gets genuine credit for his feats, Villeneuve is often very overlooked. Maybe its the personalities of the two men and how they both went down with fans? Dunno....but MS must have been rapt when JV took himself out of the WDC equation from 1999. No doubt about it. Out of 2 genuine rivals...he only then had one to worry about.

All that said, regarding Schumacher, I believe had he partnered either Hakkinen or Villeneuve in their primes at Ferrari (or elsewhere) and beat them fairly and squarly...his reputation would be far more complete. They were the 2 standouts at that time, both had beaten MS to titles already, no one else came close. Coulthard, Barrichello etc were all a rung below.

Imagine how much harder MS's life might have been having to fight both MH and JV at once? We...as fans...truly missed out.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 00:59

Maybe Moss is just jealous since MSC got 7 WDC titles whereas he has just four runner up finishes under his belt and just noticed it's to late for him to come back? :p

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 01:39

I emphasised the bolded part because that just shows the ridiculous nature of this forum. JV is not regarded by anyone because of his arrogance with the BAR project, it put alot of peoples noses out of joint (in and out of the pitlane/paddock) and while JV should share the blame for that, his lowly rating on this forum is beyond comprehension.

The point is (and this is leading to the MS teammates discussion) people have very, very short memories. From the time JV joined the F1 circus till Hakkinen retired/JV started to go backwards (end of 2001)...it was a commen perception that, while Schumacher was still the standout, Hakkinen and Villeneuve were the next two stars that could cut it with him. The 2 main drivers that had the pure speed, tenacity and bravado to put MS in his place. I remember this general perception especially during 1998-2000, while Hakkinen was fighting MS for another title and Villeneuve was working miracles with a very average BAR team and was being courted by other teams.

Now while Hakkinen still gets genuine credit for his feats, Villeneuve is often very overlooked. Maybe its the personalities of the two men and how they both went down with fans? Dunno....but MS must have been rapt when JV took himself out of the WDC equation from 1999. No doubt about it. Out of 2 genuine rivals...he only then had one to worry about.

All that said, regarding Schumacher, I believe had he partnered either Hakkinen or Villeneuve in their primes at Ferrari (or elsewhere) and beat them fairly and squarly...his reputation would be far more complete. They were the 2 standouts at that time, both had beaten MS to titles already, no one else came close. Coulthard, Barrichello etc were all a rung below.


"it was a commen perception that, while Schumacher was still the standout, Hakkinen and Villeneuve were the next two stars that could cut it with him."

Really? Let's see how common:

http://atlasf1.autos...ov10/top10.html
http://atlasf1.autos...ov01/top10.html
http://atlasf1.autos...ct24/top10.html

In a panel full of pundits Jacques only got a few points from rather biased non-journalists in 1999 and 2001 and barely came 3rd in 2000, one point ahead of a rookie named Jenson Button and way, way behind Michael and Mika.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 02:38

It's not Schumacher's fault that his team mates couldn't hold a candle to him. Barrichello was pretty highly regarded when he moved to Ferrari and got DEMOLISHED! Yes he had preferential treatment, but that makes little difference. They drove the same cars.

As an aside, does anyone really think that Schumacher would come back to F1 at the ripe old age of 41 without ensuring he enjoyed the same perks he had at Ferrari? The difference is he had a torrid time adjusting compared with Rosberg. and he got DEMOLISHED! They drove the same cars... they even modified the cars to Schumacher's liking with no change to the status quo.

There were a few seasons when Michael wrapped up the championship early, and Barrichello had the entire team devoted to him. Did we see Barichello suddenly appear like world beater? Nope.

Sir Moss is a bit jealous, I think. I also think that Michael isn't terribly concerned about what his detractors think. He just puts his head down and goes to work... Mercedes isn't looking too bad this year. If he won another two championships I'd love to hear what his detractors would say then. He's pure class. :smoking:

Signed,

Former Schumi detractor who's seen the light.


Nice post. A little comment about the part marked in bold. They didn't modify the car to suit MSC. They just wanted to find a way to manage the weight distribution better and correct the horrendous understeer it had. This affected both drivers. So they tried a car with a longer wheelbase. Didn't make any difference to Michael coz' Rosberg still beat him. But the changes they made didn't allow Nico to start competing for wins either. In short the W01 sucked and had a very narrow setup range. The car was only partially responsible for his MSC's bad year. More to do with his 3 years off and his racing brain not waking up yet. MSC has no preference for a car with a longer or shorter wheelbase. He just wants a fast nervous car.

Edited by TheMortalBard, 17 March 2011 - 02:46.


#8793 FigJam

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 03:04

"it was a commen perception that, while Schumacher was still the standout, Hakkinen and Villeneuve were the next two stars that could cut it with him."

Really? Let's see how common:

http://atlasf1.autos...ov10/top10.html
http://atlasf1.autos...ov01/top10.html
http://atlasf1.autos...ct24/top10.html

In a panel full of pundits Jacques only got a few points from rather biased non-journalists in 1999 and 2001 and barely came 3rd in 2000, one point ahead of a rookie named Jenson Button and way, way behind Michael and Mika.


Well I've got magazines stacked sky high at my place (collecting dust :p ) from F1 Racing, to Autosport...to Autocourse annuals etc where Jacques Villeneuve, from 1998 - 2001, was genuinely ranked/discussed/placed amongst the 3 best drivers in F1. From Nigel Roebuck...to Alan Henry... to Gerhard Berger...to even the likes of Matt Bishop (who generally thought JV was an arse for whatever reason...) lauding JV's performances particularly from 98-2000.

Maybe its been an Atlas thing with JV then? That would make sense.

Edited by FigJam, 17 March 2011 - 03:05.


#8794 baddog

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 03:13

And yet Jacques was hired by Williams to partner Hill as a total rookie, and was later partnered himself with very clear number 2s. DC was hired by Williams as a number 2 and by Mac as a number 2.

The fantasy that everyone else had a senna/prost partnership and Michael had a crippled spaniel as a partner is a laughable load of tripe. I wish I could be surprised to see moss spreading it.

#8795 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 05:36

He is KNOWN to never have a fair team mate. They always have been 2nd-men, the one's who had to move over or use the brake on purpose in F1. What a shame.

Therefor Moss is right to say; "We don't really know how good he REALLY is." purely on the team mate relations in his past.

That's a good point.

Why didn't Flav chase Senna to drive the other Benetton in 94 season?

Why didn't Ferrari stick a pile of $$ in front of Hakkinen to replace Irvine?

As it turns out there were no top drivers available in early 00's (Trulli, Ralfie, Frentzen, Jacques, Panis, da Matta, de la Rosa, Salo etc surely not) aside from Raikkonen* and Alonso whom Ferrari did each sign when they were able to.

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 17 March 2011 - 05:36.


#8796 AndreasF1

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 06:05

Moss shoukd keep quiet. In retrospect he carries that unfulfiled F1 career on hi shoulders: always been a #2 to Fangio he coukd never shine against the Majestro when it came to racing those silver cars. His self esteem must have suffered alot never having beaten Fangio to a WDC. So in a way he is behaving like Barrichelo. By Mosses word, We don't know how good Fangio really was because he mostly raced against Moss who never amounted to much in F1... See the irony here?
His outstanding sportscar career only reinforces that frustration that he was never an alltime great In F1.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 10:20

I know everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. But whenever I read comments from Moss, I always sense a bit of nastiness. Maybe it's just because he's always negative towards Schumacher. He never had a top team mate, but he was always able to show his abilities against his title rivals which is just as important.

I'm not even a fan of the guy, but anyone who doesn't respect his talents is a fool, and that includes past F1 drivers and champions.


Moss WAS a fan of Schumacher a long time ago. In fact, he was at Monaco in 1997 and could'nt find the words to explain how a genius Schumacher was.

At the time Schumacher was a double-champion, a no one (except a few people of course, but no one said "raisonnable") could think he would smah all F1 records. Then came the 3rd, the 4th, the 5th titles and the rest, the 40th, the 50th the 51th victories and the rest.

Have you ever heard Moss speak about Fangio ? How could one imagine Moss would take it easy when a driver would surpass his beloved hero ?

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 10:33

Thats true, but Moss is so anti Shumi that its boring, same old stuff all the time, he needs to change the record

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 12:01

I'm sure Michael loses a lot of sleep over what his critics say ;) Let's hope he has a competitive year. Having him in a fast car dicing it up with the young guns, his teammate included, can only be good for F1. We'll find out soon enough if Mercedes/MS have upped their game.

Edited by F1 Tor., 17 March 2011 - 12:02.


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Posted 17 March 2011 - 12:16

How old is Moss now? I bet Michael sounds way too much like Messerschmidt for his liking and when Michael opens his mouth he instinctively reaches for his red phone to ring fighter command.

Edit, he drove for merc though....Nope, that's my ideas spent.

Edited by KiloWatt, 17 March 2011 - 12:18.