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#8801 Tardis40

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 20:30

Moss raced in an era where death was not uncommon. If you go back and watch those GPs it is evident the the drivers were careful to leave each other room to race. Things have changed, and Schumacher does not deserve to be singled out because the entire sport has become more aggressive. Look at the incidents Coulthard has caused, not the least of which was when he took off Schumacher's right front wheel in a blinding wet race.

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#8802 steveninthematrix

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 09:48

since I've seen all of MS wins, I was happy with 52, when he overtook Prost....

now, I guess the next step, would be 93 i.e.

Michael 93 > Prost 51 + Senna 41

and he needs just 2 wins for that; I think the Pirelli tires allowing the car to be setup pointy/oversteering, is really helping Michael.... everyone did a or a few quali lap runs at Barcelona, and MS was fastest...

now, can Merc keep up the development and compete with Redbull and Ferrari; who knows, we'll see....but Alonso did say, his biggest threat this year was Michael; did he know something?

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 09:55

did he know something?


I don't think so. I think that was more down to having a respect for past performance, which few others seem to have.

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 16:45

It's crazy to think that this guy was so close to 13 consecutive wins.

#8805 Tardis40

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 17:02

How about an entire season on the podium every race?


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Posted 21 March 2011 - 17:17

It's crazy to think that this guy was so close to 13 consecutive wins.


Indeed, if the Monaco 04 tunnel incident hadn't have occured with Montoya, then 13 wins on the trot would have been a mighty achievement for Schumacher.

It just goes to show, put the best driver in the best car and you see utter dominance.

I dare say, if you put one of today's drivers in the best car (ie Red Bull) that had a clear margin over others, we wouldn't have seen the same sort of domination Schumacher displayed in 2002 and 2004.

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 17:21

I dare say, if you put one of today's drivers in the best car (ie Red Bull) that had a clear margin over others, we wouldn't have seen the same sort of domination Schumacher displayed in 2002 and 2004.


Absolutely.

#8808 JPW

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 17:36

It's crazy to think that this guy was so close to 13 consecutive wins.


How about an entire season on the podium every race?

Yep Michael holds some unbelievable records and if I did my math correctly we have in Australia next weekend:

Michael 7 WDCs, all the others on the grid 5 WDCs between them.
Michael 91 wins, all the others on the grid 89 wins between them.
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Posted 21 March 2011 - 18:56

Michael Schumacher and his Nice 2011 F1 Mercedes MGP W02



#8810 Augurk

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 19:07

Michael Schumacher and his Nice 2011 F1 Mercedes MGP W02

Nice. I suppose that's what they were filming after the test at one point?

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 19:17

Nice. I suppose that's what they were filming after the test at one point?


Some of it looks like Barcelona but they seem to have done some Rockingham filming as well

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 19:18

Moss raced in an era where death was not uncommon. If you go back and watch those GPs it is evident the the drivers were careful to leave each other room to race. Things have changed, and Schumacher does not deserve to be singled out because the entire sport has become more aggressive. Look at the incidents Coulthard has caused, not the least of which was when he took off Schumacher's right front wheel in a blinding wet race.


Well, when Schuey started it was also very dangerous and yet caused or almost caused a few ugly incidents. But yeah, Coulthard was the champ in this category :)

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 19:19

Some of it looks like Barcelona but they seem to have done some Rockingham filming as well

I was thinking the same. I see some water on the track where he is walking. Barcelona was dry on Friday when they filmed. Some oval also. Secret test, I hope. :) Nice slides. To do that he feel the car well.

Edited by ivand911, 21 March 2011 - 19:23.


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Posted 21 March 2011 - 23:41

Fernando Alonso video

If Formula One was 24 cars exactly the same, then Michael would be the driver I would fear most," revealed Alonso.
"If you look down the list of drivers on the grid for 2011, then one name stands out above the rest, Michael Schumacher.
"Michael is a seven-times world champion and is a legend in Formula One. We have to respect him because he has the ability and talent to do well this season."

Video http://edition.cnn.c...view/index.html


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Posted 22 March 2011 - 00:00

Michael Schumacher and his Nice 2011 F1 Mercedes MGP W02



video part from 1:11 to 1:15 that some serious powersliding :eek:

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 01:16

I dare say, if you put one of today's drivers in the best car (ie Red Bull) that had a clear margin over others, we wouldn't have seen the same sort of domination Schumacher displayed in 2002 and 2004.


Don't agree. Had Alonso or Hamilton been in the Red Bulls last year, it would have been domination.

Maybe not quite 2004 Ferrari proportions but close. Mainly because Red Bull still had reliability issues.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 03:20

Michael Schumacher and his Nice 2011 F1 Mercedes MGP W02


Good one. I noticed that he mentions the rear wing, and in the event of a control failure it will stay closed just from the force of the air flowing over it. That's something I was wondering about.

That still doesn't eliminate the possibility of a different kind of control failure holding it open though.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 03:29

People can say what they want about the perceived advantages that Michael and Ferrari are supposed to have had. Even if you stipulate that it's all accurate, he still had to drive the car, complete the race distance, and finish in front of all the other cars 91 times and in front of all but one of the other cars another 40 some odd times. The numbers are so big they tend to lose perspective. Look at all the drivers that have competed in the sport and never got a sniff of a single win. Some hapless souls never finished a race, or even qualified to race.

Put a different driver in the car and those records never happen.


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Posted 22 March 2011 - 07:25

Don't agree. Had Alonso or Hamilton been in the Red Bulls last year, it would have been domination.

Maybe not quite 2004 Ferrari proportions but close. Mainly because Red Bull still had reliability issues.


Why? When exactly has Alonso dominated anything? He had an excellent car in 2005 and both their rivals started the season off way behind in terms of pace and reliability: was he anywhere close to being as dominant as Schumacher was in 2002 or 2004? No.

Hamilton perhaps hasn't had as good or straightforward a chance as Alonso yet,but my judging by his performance in 2007 I'd say he will do better than Alonso but still nowhere close to MS.

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#8820 FigJam

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 09:08

Your really underestimating them both.




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Posted 22 March 2011 - 10:06

You could say I was underestimating them if there was even a shred of evidence to support the notion that they could match MS in his prime: there isn't any.

Look at their first title winning campaigns. Schumacher had effectively only 75% of the season to get the job done, was robbed of a win and had two gifted to his chief rival: and yet managed to win more than either Alonso or Hamilton could. Alonso further had the benefit of a superior car in the first half of his season,a luxury that MS didn't have. Hamilton did a better job considering how good the Ferrari was, but was it as convincing as 1994? Absolutely not. MS won more in 12 races than Alonso or Hamilton could in an entire season.


Look at Alonso's career stats. At the same stage in their respective careers, Schumacher had won more than twice as many races as Alonso has managed so far: 53 to 26. There's a massive gulf between the win percentages of someone like Alonso and drivers like Schumacher and Senna, at every stage of their careers. FA has been racing for ten years now and so far there has been absolutely nothing to suggest he is capable of doing as good a job with a dominant car. If people choose to ignore the facts, even subjectively speaking, I am yet to see a single demon drive from Alonso of the same calibre as, for instance, Spain 94 or Monaco 97. What is amusing to me is that people persist with believing this baseless 'most complete driver' nonsense because of the hype, and are then at a loss words to explain some of his 'uncharacteristic' mistakes year after year. Schumacher also had no real weaknesses at this stage in his career, unlike Hamilton who has messed up twice when it counts most.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 10:10

Simply, Schumacher, is the best

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 12:01

If people choose to ignore the facts, even subjectively speaking, I am yet to see a single demon drive from Alonso of the same calibre as, for instance, Spain 94 or Monaco 97.


Oh I don't know, I thought he drove a pretty decent race at Imola in 2005.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 12:13

Don't agree. Had Alonso or Hamilton been in the Red Bulls last year, it would have been domination.

There's no definitive evidence that LH is that much better than Vettel, or indeed better at all.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 12:18

There's no definitive evidence that LH is that much better than Vettel, or indeed better at all.

Its all down to opinion but I think Lewis's racecraft is far superior than that of Vettel IMO. Vettel is a hot lap specialist and has had the machinery to back him up once he has been at the front. I don't remember many races where he has had to attack from the mid field and work his way up successfully and I can think of a few examples from LH. Vettel is still reletively new and I think it will come with time, but theres no way I would put him on the same level or ahead of Hamilton in terms of ability right now.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 13:50

You could say I was underestimating them if there was even a shred of evidence to support the notion that they could match MS in his prime: there isn't any.

Look at their first title winning campaigns. Schumacher had effectively only 75% of the season to get the job done, was robbed of a win and had two gifted to his chief rival: and yet managed to win more than either Alonso or Hamilton could. Alonso further had the benefit of a superior car in the first half of his season,a luxury that MS didn't have. Hamilton did a better job considering how good the Ferrari was, but was it as convincing as 1994? Absolutely not. MS won more in 12 races than Alonso or Hamilton could in an entire season.


Look at Alonso's career stats. At the same stage in their respective careers, Schumacher had won more than twice as many races as Alonso has managed so far: 53 to 26. There's a massive gulf between the win percentages of someone like Alonso and drivers like Schumacher and Senna, at every stage of their careers. FA has been racing for ten years now and so far there has been absolutely nothing to suggest he is capable of doing as good a job with a dominant car. If people choose to ignore the facts, even subjectively speaking, I am yet to see a single demon drive from Alonso of the same calibre as, for instance, Spain 94 or Monaco 97. What is amusing to me is that people persist with believing this baseless 'most complete driver' nonsense because of the hype, and are then at a loss words to explain some of his 'uncharacteristic' mistakes year after year. Schumacher also had no real weaknesses at this stage in his career, unlike Hamilton who has messed up twice when it counts most.



I am a big-time schumi fan but even I have to admit Alonso's drive in Hungary 2006 was one of the best drives in F1 History until he had the tyre nut problem. But schumi's drive in China was like the ULTIMATE!!!!! I was watched the race again and again - Just too Good to be true. Almost reminds me the story of the hare and the tortoise .. lol :)

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 14:01

There's no definitive evidence that LH is that much better than Vettel, or indeed better at all.


Depends on how you rate the 2010 Red Bull. Depends on how you rate Mark Webber also...

I think there is evidence. Depends on what you accept as evidence.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 14:03

Oh I don't know, I thought he drove a pretty decent race at Imola in 2005.

Raikkonen drove a better one.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 14:42

Schumi's Sekret Tageblog: Season Preview
http://www.planetf1....-Season-Preview

Hello to my loyal and much anticipating tifosis. You will be not surprised to learn that my gung-ho is at a maximum right now. Very soon action will commence in Melbourne on my second season at Mercedes and I am excited as a nerd kid trying to get into school early to do a lengthy and complicated experiment in the science labs.

What is making me such a gung-ho? I think if you have been following the testing programme you will know. In Barcelona we achieved a big step with the W02. This step was big enough to put me on top of the timesheets when all the dust settled down. This big step might, or might not, help me to the top step, but it is certainly a positive step and a forward step. Although we cannot know what fuel the other cars were running, we know at least we are not driving a McLaren.

I read a news item from Martin Whitmarsh saying that McLaren might surprise a few people in Melbourne. This could be the truth. If they manage to run 30 laps without breaking down I will be surprised.

If you compare the number of laps Ferrari are running to the number of laps that McLaren are running and then think of them as pre-owned cars (Mercedes because of their dealer organisation do not allow us to use the word second-hand, it must always be "pre-owned". My watch doesn't have a second hand, it has a pre-owned hand!) then the Ferrari is a Sales Rep's car having thundered down a lot of autobahn miles on the track, with no stopping at service station for pies. The McLaren is like a grandmother's car that has just gone to the shops. But not even come back. Perhaps even it has been clamped while at the shops.

My great old small friend Bernie Ecclestone has been hitting the news in only a way that Bernie can. He is full of amusing things to say and you can never take him quite seriously. This week he told a lot of Australian reporters that the grand prix in Melbourne was as important as the race in Monaco. He is right and for me it is the same. They are both worth 25 points to win.

Another funny thing he is saying is that he does not like small eco-engines and that people come to races for two things, and one of the things is to hear the noise. But people in Turkey do not come to the race anyway, noise or no noise. It is a TV sport. Or, as they say in Australia, it is a TV sport sport. Quite honestly and obviously and honestly and obviously if they want to have a large level of noise in F1 then they should consider bringing back Murray Walker.

Next week is going to be a great big shake-up when we see how well everybody has done with their new cars and also how good is the commentators' eyesight. It will be difficult to spot the difference between the new Pirelli tyres with three light colours - white, yellow and silver - for three of the dry weather tyres. We all know David Coulthard's eyesight and judgement is not the best so I think he will struggle.

I am sure the racing will be helped. I am looking forward to kicking Nico Rosberg's backside in a fatherly, stop-playing-Xbox-and-get-out-and-clean-the-car kind of way. We have taken out a bet that if he wins a grand prix first, I will have to be pleasant to his engineer Hamish McSporran for the entire season, or alternatively, dress up as Richard Branson for a whole weekend. The first is obviously the best option of the two, but, dear friends, I do not intend to do either.

To Australia...

Love and kisses

The Schum

Edited by ivand911, 22 March 2011 - 14:42.


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Posted 22 March 2011 - 15:19

ahead of the australian GP, here is one of my fav overtakes from MS tricking JPM in the 1st corner

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 15:23

I predict this will be Michael Schumacher's last year in F1.

#8832 ivand911

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 15:28

I predict this will be Michael Schumacher's last year in F1.

I doubt that. They even talk about 2013.


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Posted 22 March 2011 - 15:53

they were people predicting his "neck" problems to re-appear until mid 2010 and nothing happened

#8834 BRK

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 16:44

Oh I don't know, I thought he drove a pretty decent race at Imola in 2005.


Would that be when he lapped nearly the entire field in a lesser car or bagged a podium place driving around stuck in a gear for most of the race? Or was it when he did a good job of defending in a vastly superior car that happened to run into unexpected tyre issues?

MS turned the tables a year later with a better car, despite the obvious fact that the RS26 was still better than the 248.....only Alonso couldn't repeat Schumacher's performance from the year before when he choked and ran wide.

Alonso did have a chance at the Malaysian GP last year. I mean he only had a slower McLaren to contend with on track, not a superior Williams. Wasn't surprised to see it all go up in smoke...

I am a big-time schumi fan but even I have to admit Alonso's drive in Hungary 2006 was one of the best drives in F1 History until he had the tyre nut problem. But schumi's drive in China was like the ULTIMATE!!!!! I was watched the race again and again - Just too Good to be true. Almost reminds me the story of the hare and the tortoise .. lol :)


MS churned out these performances consistently and in inferior cars. That's the difference between a good driver and a legend.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 16:57

I'm obviously a Michael fan, but let's give credit where it's due. Alonso was a formidable opponent in both his title winning years, and he kept his head on his shoulders and did only what was necessary to bring it home when it mattered. 2006 was a great season for both of them. The ebb and flow, first one having the advantage, then the other clawing it back. And it was all epitomized in China as the Renaults pulled out a big initial lead on a wet track and then Michael reeled them both in as the surface dried. Only Fernando could have held Michael off that year.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 17:04

Hmmmm. Possibly the greatest driver of all time, makes a pretty impressive comeback and talk is of "could do better" nature!!! Without idolising the 7 times WDC I think any weaknesses perceived by armchair critics are "incredible"/


Forgive shameless promotion here but for a bit of interesting Schumacher backstory I hope you might be interested in Mark Stewart Productions' film, 'F1 60th Anniversary: Plus Ca Change' which will be shown on BBC4 at 8:00pm on Sunday 27 March. In the film, Michael himself very nearly admits to a weakness when speaking of the Jerez 1997 incident.


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Posted 22 March 2011 - 17:05

The question was whether Hamilton and Alonso could be as good as Schumacher was in a dominant car, not the 2006 season. Based on everything that we've seen so far there's really no comparison betweenSchumacher and FA, MS has simply done a far better job than Alonso at every stage in his career. As for Hamilton, still too early to tell how good he is,but MS was more impressive in his early campaigns than Hamilton has been.

Edited by BRK, 22 March 2011 - 17:06.


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Posted 22 March 2011 - 17:12

I'm obviously a Michael fan, but let's give credit where it's due. Alonso was a formidable opponent in both his title winning years, and he kept his head on his shoulders and did only what was necessary to bring it home when it mattered. 2006 was a great season for both of them. The ebb and flow, first one having the advantage, then the other clawing it back. And it was all epitomized in China as the Renaults pulled out a big initial lead on a wet track and then Michael reeled them both in as the surface dried. Only Fernando could have held Michael off that year.

:up:
Fred was great during those battles; I had similarly high respect for Mika 1998-2001 too. I never understand why some people seem to think that being a fan of driver 'A' means you need to slag the hell out of his opponents. :confused: :well:

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 17:13

Hmmmm. Possibly the greatest driver of all time, makes a pretty impressive comeback and talk is of "could do better" nature!!! Without idolising the 7 times WDC I think any weaknesses perceived by armchair critics are "incredible"/


Forgive shameless promotion here but for a bit of interesting Schumacher backstory I hope you might be interested in Mark Stewart Productions' film, 'F1 60th Anniversary: Plus Ca Change' which will be shown on BBC4 at 8:00pm on Sunday 27 March. In the film, Michael himself very nearly admits to a weakness when speaking of the Jerez 1997 incident.

Thanks for the heads-up. :up:

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 17:44

:up:
Fred was great during those battles; I had similarly high respect for Mika 1998-2001 too. I never understand why some people seem to think that being a fan of driver 'A' means you need to slag the hell out of his opponents. :confused: :well:


That's a gross generalization. At least in my case I have never and will never criticize his 'opponents' like Hakkinen (in fact I was a bit of a fan, myself), Hill or Raikkonen,or even JV and Juan Pablo. Simply because there wasn't anything to be critical of, they all got the praise they deserved from fans and the media, weren't overrated or overhyped (with the exception of JV early on), and were criticized for their failings in equal measure. More importantly, I think all of them knew where to draw the line between sport and life outside of the race track....

Can't say any of this is true in the case of Alonso. Nonetheless, I rank him as being the 4th best driver on the grid today,but all I'm saying is that Vettel and LH are a step ahead already: while MS was and is in a different league,with the Sennas and Prosts of the racing world. I don't see how this is 'slagging the hell out of' him. Then again I'm sure you know what I mean when you get called all sorts of stuff for being critical of Hamilton.. ;)

Bottomline: I'm not here to make friends or rack up goodwill among rival fanbases so I wouldn't be lonely when winter beckons. (I've heard this actually happens a lot on internet fora until things get really ugly and real opinions spill out the bag!) I don't have a problem with saying it like it is,that's what I'm here for. :)

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 17:44

Forgive shameless promotion here but for a bit of interesting Schumacher backstory I hope you might be interested in Mark Stewart Productions' film, 'F1 60th Anniversary: Plus Ca Change' which will be shown on BBC4 at 8:00pm on Sunday 27 March. In the film, Michael himself very nearly admits to a weakness when speaking of the Jerez 1997 incident.

Not having opportunity to see film for myself, can you elaborate on the last part, please?

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 17:51

That's a gross generalization. At least in my case I have never and will never criticize his 'opponents' like Hakkinen (in fact I was a bit of a fan, myself), Hill or Raikkonen,or even JV and Juan Pablo. Simply because there wasn't anything to be critical of, they all got the praise they deserved from fans and the media, weren't overrated or overhyped (with the exception of JV early on), and were criticized for their failings in equal measure. More importantly, I think all of them knew where to draw the line between sport and life outside of the race track....

Can't say any of this is true in the case of Alonso. Nonetheless, I rank him as being the 4th best driver on the grid today,but all I'm saying is that Vettel and LH are a step ahead already: while MS was and is in a different league,with the Sennas and Prosts of the racing world. I don't see how this is 'slagging the hell out of' him. Then again I'm sure you know what I mean when you get called all sorts of stuff for being critical of Hamilton..;)

Bottomline: I'm not here to make friends or rack up goodwill among rival fanbases so I wouldn't be lonely when winter beckons. (I've heard this actually happens a lot on internet fora until things get really ugly and real opinions spill out the bag!) I don't have a problem with saying it like it is,that's what I'm here for. :)

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I think what you're trying to say is 'I won't criticize opponents who Schumacher could ultimately beat with a car or tyre advantage but i will criticize one who made him stoop to new lows (Monaco q) and retired him.'

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:08

That's a gross generalization. At least in my case I have never and will never criticize his 'opponents' like Hakkinen (in fact I was a bit of a fan, myself), Hill or Raikkonen,or even JV and Juan Pablo. Simply because there wasn't anything to be critical of, they all got the praise they deserved from fans and the media, weren't overrated or overhyped (with the exception of JV early on), and were criticized for their failings in equal measure. More importantly, I think all of them knew where to draw the line between sport and life outside of the race track....

Can't say any of this is true in the case of Alonso. Nonetheless, I rank him as being the 4th best driver on the grid today,but all I'm saying is that Vettel and LH are a step ahead already: while MS was and is in a different league,with the Sennas and Prosts of the racing world. I don't see how this is 'slagging the hell out of' him. Then again I'm sure you know what I mean when you get called all sorts of stuff for being critical of Hamilton..;)

Bottomline: I'm not here to make friends or rack up goodwill among rival fanbases so I wouldn't be lonely when winter beckons. (I've heard this actually happens a lot on internet fora until things get really ugly and real opinions spill out the bag!) I don't have a problem with saying it like it is,that's what I'm here for. :)

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I wasn't particularly referring to you, but rather the all too common situation on here of people preferring to slate rather than praise. Always strikes me as odd from a gathering of people who supposedly love the sport. :well:

Anyway, back on topic ...

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:13

I think what you're trying to say is 'I won't criticize opponents who Schumacher could ultimately beat with a car or tyre advantage but i will criticize one who made him stoop to new lows (Monaco q) and retired him.'

:rolleyes:
Oh, joy, we have a new troll.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:25

I wasn't particularly referring to you, but rather the all too common situation on here of people preferring to slate rather than praise. Always strikes me as odd from a gathering of people who supposedly love the sport. :well:

Anyway, back on topic ...

I agree it's often slating the drivers they're not a fan of. However in this particular case I don't think it's slating.

It's a hell of a big leap to say Alonso or Hamilton would've been as dominant as Schumacher had they been at Ferrari. Neither has shown anything that provides a base for that claim, or even to suggest that Ferrari would have been as dominant as they were had they been there in stead of Schumacher. On the contrary, recent history has shown us several incredible cars but only one driver ever to extract that kind of season-long domination from it. I say a Williams in '96, '97, McLaren in '98, Renault in '05, McLaren in '07, Brawn in '09, Red Bull in '10

Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, Alonso, Hamilton/Alonso, Button, Vettel should've walked away with them easily yet they have all seen to keep it exciting until the last race. Of all of those only Button has really shown the kind of dominance during the period Brawn was still way ahead of the pack. Yet he is widely regarded as the least talented of the recent lot (Alonso/Hamilton/Vettel).

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:25

I wasn't particularly referring to you, but rather the all too common situation on here of people preferring to slate rather than praise. Always strikes me as odd from a gathering of people who supposedly love the sport. :well:

Anyway, back on topic ...


All right. It is a forum,though,there's always going to be unpopular opinions and a bit of bashing everywhere - just a matter of knowing which threads to avoid and which to frequent,I guess. It's precisely because you love the sport that the flaws irk you and are annoying. When has anyone ever complained about a great overtaking move, no matter the driver? :)

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:26

:rolleyes:
Oh, joy, we have a new troll.

I'm not trying to troll. I just find it interesting that all Schumacher's opponents who he overcame in the end are given respect, while the one who he couldn't defeat gets none. Seems like it should be the other way round if anything. I guess the others knew their place.

I'm not a Schumacher fan but with the Merc looking good I do think he may get some revenge on Alonso this year.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:34

I'm not trying to troll. I just find it interesting that all Schumacher's opponents who he overcame in the end are given respect, while the one who he couldn't defeat gets none. Seems like it should be the other way round if anything. I guess the others knew their place.

I'm not a Schumacher fan but with the Merc looking good I do think he may get some revenge on Alonso this year.

I agree with you on respecting Fred, personally I think he's the best driver on the grid right now even thought I'm a Vettel fan. However, you're stretching it a very long way by suggesting that MS only overcame his other opponents with the aid of a car or tyre advantage.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:38

I'm not trying to troll. I just find it interesting that all Schumacher's opponents who he overcame in the end are given respect, while the one who he couldn't defeat gets none. Seems like it should be the other way round if anything. I guess the others knew their place.

I'm not a Schumacher fan but with the Merc looking good I do think he may get some revenge on Alonso this year.


'Couldn't defeat' because he retired? Hakkinen also had a better car that he beat MS to the title two years in a row with; that's exactly what Alonso achieved,why would you think he's any different in my book or is somehow deserving of more attention because of this? :confused:

Already given my reasons in the post you quoted.




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Posted 22 March 2011 - 18:40

It's a hell of a big leap to say Alonso or Hamilton would've been as dominant as Schumacher had they been at Ferrari. Neither has shown anything that provides a base for that claim, or even to suggest that Ferrari would have been as dominant as they were had they been there in stead of Schumacher. On the contrary, recent history has shown us several incredible cars but only one driver ever to extract that kind of season-long domination from it. I say a Williams in '96, '97, McLaren in '98, Renault in '05, McLaren in '07, Brawn in '09, Red Bull in '10

Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, Alonso, Hamilton/Alonso, Button, Vettel should've walked away with them easily yet they have all seen to keep it exciting until the last race. Of all of those only Button has really shown the kind of dominance during the period Brawn was still way ahead of the pack. Yet he is widely regarded as the least talented of the recent lot (Alonso/Hamilton/Vettel).


Agree with this.