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#8951 rog

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 10:17

Yes the KERS worked but the tyres were gone! So when the tyres were working the KERS system didn't & when The KERS worked the tyres did not work.


KERS worked for the whole second attempt in Q2, not only the last lap of the second attempt.

Seine fehlenden Zehntel seien "im Durcheinander verloren gegangen", sagt Schumacher in einer ersten Stellungnahme bei 'RTL' und erklärt: "Wir hatten in der zweiten Teilsession kein KERS für den ersten Versuch. Beim zweiten Anlauf stand uns das System wieder zur Verfügung


Edited by rog, 26 March 2011 - 10:17.


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#8952 Arsenic

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 11:54

I'm giving Michael two more races and then no excuses any more. I will have to face the reality - the man can only get older, not vice versa. That's it. These half of a second that he often was behind Nico last season are killing me :D

Edited by Arsenic, 26 March 2011 - 11:55.


#8953 ivand911

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:00

Did Michael start to use new simulator? It is very good tool in KERS and ARW usage, where on the track to use them. Also Nico said that he can make his setup for the next race on the simulator and to iron things on the track? If Michael don't use simulator I guess he is disadvantaged?

Edited by ivand911, 26 March 2011 - 12:00.


#8954 destiny

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:02

Am gutted.It hurts me to see Michael missing out Q3.


Hope he does well in the race to finish ahead of Nico

Edited by destiny, 26 March 2011 - 12:04.


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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:05

Let's see what the race will bring tomorrow. And the season is still very long so no need to panic people.

He was just 0,3 sec off Rosberg when he failed to get into Q3 so that's not a big gap and we all know last year he was the faster one during the race most of the time.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:11

Let's see what the race will bring tomorrow. And the season is still very long so no need to panic people.

He was just 0,3 sec off Rosberg when he failed to get into Q3 so that's not a big gap and we all know last year he was the faster one during the race most of the time.

MS was rarely faster than Rosberg in races last year, most of the time Rosberg was clearly the faster man. I was expecting more from him this year ( I had money on him to beat NR and Heidfeld to beat Petrov, those turned out well), but this qualy didnt go well. But the season is young still.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:12

Let's see what the race will bring tomorrow. And the season is still very long so no need to panic people.

He was just 0,3 sec off Rosberg when he failed to get into Q3 so that's not a big gap and we all know last year he was the faster one during the race most of the time.


I doubt Schumacher cares- he looked very down after qualifying today. Even if he ups his game it doesn't matter, he won't be able to fight at the front which is what he wants.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:25

I doubt Schumacher cares- he looked very down after qualifying today. Even if he ups his game it doesn't matter, he won't be able to fight at the front which is what he wants.

Yes obviously they expected to be a lot closer to the front.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:51

OK , what to do tomorrow? Start with hards, and trying to do 2 stopper? Or crazy 1 stopper. 30-35 laps with hards and 20-25 laps with soft? I think softs will be good at the start for 8-9 laps(heavy cars). After first stop they will come back behind Michael , most of them. Interesting strategy for tomorrow. Just hope it will be not shit strategy as always.
James Allison, Technical Director LRGP: “The race may not be as frantic as we expected”

2 stopper? that would mean starting losing 2-3s per lap after some time, and end like canada last year...

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#8960 jj2728

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 13:09

It is called practice.

Can we please evaluate everyone's performances at the end of the race on Sunday.


You are right, it was practice. I should have at least waited until after qualifying.....11th!
And slower by over 1/2 a sec. to his teammate.

#8961 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 13:26

2 stopper? that would mean starting losing 2-3s per lap after some time, and end like canada last year...


Hard hard soft soft.

Thats how i expect his stints to go tomorrow.

#8962 George Costanza

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 14:26

Let's see how well he can get a start at the green light. He was pretty good at this last year.

Then again, racing is a totally different beast than anything else.

#8963 Frans

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 14:43

And he escapes an grid penalty as well! :lol:

#8964 ivand911

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 14:44

And he escapes an grid penalty as well! :lol:

Why you put it here? It is about the two MGP drivers. And Lewis. :wave:


#8965 steveninthematrix

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 15:10

i cant believe Michael is struggling because of his age, I mean, it aint like Barrichello is much younger....

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Michael being in 11th; starting on hards, when the softs go off of the 10 cars in front, could be interesting;

I agree with the above, hard-hard-soft-soft is the way I see it;

#8966 salamin

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 15:14

i cant believe Michael is struggling because of his age, I mean, it aint like Barrichello is much younger....

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Michael being in 11th; starting on hards, when the softs go off of the 10 cars in front, could be interesting;

I agree with the above, hard-hard-soft-soft is the way I see it;


so is he starting on hards or softs now ?

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 15:16

so is he starting on hards or softs now ?


Your guess as good as anybody else's. Don't think they will tell. :)


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Posted 26 March 2011 - 15:16

so is he starting on hards or softs now ?



I doubt we'll know until the blankets come off on the grid tomorrow.

#8969 salamin

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 15:18

good point, so is anyone starting on hards from the top 10 ?

#8970 ivand911

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 16:02

good point, so is anyone starting on hards from the top 10 ?

Top 10 start with softs I think.


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Posted 26 March 2011 - 16:11

Jeez man. Its only qualifying. The race is long and there are slower cars in front of them.

That and the speed advantage and Schumacher's great starts give me optimism for tomorrow.


:rotfl:

So we have been reduced to this? Making excuses for a diva who never needed it in the old days.

A diva who insists that she can still hit the high notes . . . but can't.

It's not so much that the car was slow (I won't go into his vaunted development skills), as much as his repeat of the behaviour we witnessed a the start of last season. The arrogance, really.

Kudos to Rosberg. He quietly went about his business. Ignored the dismissive remarks Schumacher made about him . . . AGAIN. And then schooled him when it came time to perform . . . AGAIN.

Hey, I've been an admirer of the old Schumacher. Who can forget the stellar performances of the old days (well, I suppose that the detractors . . . Moss, etc., can :p ), his wresting winning drives out of a clearly inferior machine, circa 1996. But this is not that guy. With that guy, it was NEVER a question of being overshadowed by his teammate . . . regardless of WHO he was and what the circumstances were. THIS is not THAT guy.

I don't begrudge the man is right to drive in F1 . . . he's still good enough to do that. But please spare us the superciliousness.

Those who are emotionally invested in this driver doing well are in for a long year, I'm afraid.

As for this race: I expect him to finish out of the points. Since his return I've seen nothing to suggest that he is good at nursing a recalcitrant machine. In fact, he's rather too harsh on his tyres.

Enjoy the race, everyone. :)

#8972 Augurk

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 16:15

Ah well, qualifying wasn't his strongest point throughout his career anyway. It's not without reason he took the quali record last.

All the stellar performances I remember were in the races.

#8973 Dolph

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 17:01

:rotfl:

So we have been reduced to this? Making excuses for a diva who never needed it in the old days.

A diva who insists that she can still hit the high notes . . . but can't.

It's not so much that the car was slow (I won't go into his vaunted development skills), as much as his repeat of the behaviour we witnessed a the start of last season. The arrogance, really.

Kudos to Rosberg. He quietly went about his business. Ignored the dismissive remarks Schumacher made about him . . . AGAIN. And then schooled him when it came time to perform . . . AGAIN.

Hey, I've been an admirer of the old Schumacher. Who can forget the stellar performances of the old days (well, I suppose that the detractors . . . Moss, etc., can :p ), his wresting winning drives out of a clearly inferior machine, circa 1996. But this is not that guy. With that guy, it was NEVER a question of being overshadowed by his teammate . . . regardless of WHO he was and what the circumstances were. THIS is not THAT guy.

I don't begrudge the man is right to drive in F1 . . . he's still good enough to do that. But please spare us the superciliousness.

Those who are emotionally invested in this driver doing well are in for a long year, I'm afraid.

As for this race: I expect him to finish out of the points. Since his return I've seen nothing to suggest that he is good at nursing a recalcitrant machine. In fact, he's rather too harsh on his tyres.

Enjoy the race, everyone. :)


Well, I will enjoy the races as I'm not busy trying to think od smth to blame on Michael again.

#8974 Mastah

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 17:12

He was just 0,3 sec off Rosberg when he failed to get into Q3 so that's not a big gap and we all know last year he was the faster one during the race most of the time.


No, I don't know, show me any stats showing that. All I know is he was behind other cars for almost whole race.


#8975 ivand911

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 17:15

No, I don't know, show me any stats showing that. All I know is he was behind other cars for almost whole race.

And he was 4th in first corner last year(from 7th). Before he was taken out. From first to last(or out of the race,Vettel) it is short way usually.

Edited by ivand911, 26 March 2011 - 17:16.


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Posted 26 March 2011 - 17:30

Ok Schumacher posted a 1,25.971 Let's say the KERS is worth half a second; 1,25.471 Now let's say the error cost him half a second; 1,25.000, now let's say the tyres went off on the second lap and lost him 1 second. 1,24.000.

In lala land that means Schumacher posted a 1,24.000... Vettel in his Red Bull still posted a 1,23.529

Oh my goodness.


Vettel is in another solar system speed wise, to everybody. I can't understand why he wasted another lap after posting the pole time. There wasn't a prayer of anyone beating it.

Let's see how the race goes. MGP has the straight line speed to do some damage.

Edited by Tardis40, 26 March 2011 - 17:32.


#8977 Mastah

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 17:31

And he was 4th in first corner last year(from 7th). Before he was taken out. From first to last(or out of the race,Vettel) it is short way usually.


So? carbonfibre clearly said "faster one during the race most of the time", which is not true, because Nico was faster on 38 laps compared to 12 of Michael.

Edited by Mastah, 26 March 2011 - 17:33.


#8978 ivand911

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 17:46

So? carbonfibre clearly said "faster one during the race most of the time", which is not true, because Nico was faster on 38 laps compared to 12 of Michael.

As you said he was behind other cars the most of the race, he made some overtakes. Nico was free. OK , Michael was not faster then. I guess we clear this problem.


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Posted 26 March 2011 - 21:37

He was just 0,3 sec off Rosberg when he failed to get into Q3 so that's not a big gap and we all know last year he was the faster one during the race most of the time.


i can understand you're a schumi fan but you must more than that. Mc enroe would say : you can't be serious :drunk: :rotfl:
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Edited by malibu, 26 March 2011 - 22:02.


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#8980 RedBaron

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 06:24

First man lapped of 2011! Awesome!

#8981 Buttoneer

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 06:27

Race chat in the race thread please. Moved a few posts there already. If there's a specific incident you wish to discuss start a new thread. PM if you are concerned.

#8982 Wade

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 06:39

Michael has just retired from the race.

Oh well, on to the next one.

#8983 dav115

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 06:40

Michael has just retired from the race.

Oh well, on to the next one.

Next Mercedes that is!

#8984 TheMortalBard

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:32

Schumacher comments about his 'race'

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/90270

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:37

I'm gonna go get Alguersuari voodoo doll and have some quality time with it.

#8986 ivand911

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:38

I'm gonna go get Alguersuari voodoo doll and have some quality time with it.

:rotfl:


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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:43

I'm gonna go get Alguersuari voodoo doll and have some quality time with it.


:rotfl:

Judging by the Merc pace, I think you needs the dolls for the drivers of RBR, McL, Ferrari, Renault and maybe even Sauber and TR !! Horrible start for Merc but let's hope the next one is better !


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Posted 27 March 2011 - 08:02

Well that race contained no information about Michaels performance other than the fact he can still start as well as anyone. Oh well, as said on to the next one.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 08:04

Well that race contained no information about Michaels performance other than the fact he can still start as well as anyone. Oh well, as said on to the next one.

What...Schumacher raced today? I didn't see him.....that's normal I guess, ussually cameras are close to the front of GPs....

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 08:57

What...Schumacher raced today? I didn't see him.....that's normal I guess, ussually cameras are close to the front of GPs....

Well if you were watching (first time for everything I guess?) at the start you would have seen him starting well, passing cars, being backed up by alonsos mistake (yes he was right behind the top ferrari) and then being nerfed from the back by a torro rosso.

But you know, I know that kind of thing isnt what you want so just keep right on.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 10:20

What...Schumacher raced today? I didn't see him.....that's normal I guess, ussually cameras are close to the front of GPs....

guess you didnt see someone drive straight into the back of his car and blow his tyre then? must have been some force

#8992 Polle

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:08

Gah what a terrible day for the team. Bother drivers having their bubbles popped by someone else. Only got to watch a bunch of laps and now I have to wait until Malaysia till I see them on the track again :(

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:22

If i was Micheal i would give the team until Spain to sort out the car. If it is still as rubbish as it was this weekend it is simply time to leave.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:36

If i was Micheal i would give the team until Spain to sort out the car. If it is still as rubbish as it was this weekend it is simply time to leave.

The car wasn't the best car that started a F1 race ever but rubbish was it not. Sure, there's room for improvement, but Schumacher was never the "I demand the bestest perfectest fluffiest car! Now!" kind of racer. He worked with the team, as a team. So I don't see that happening.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:40

I thought Mercedes would try to use the race as a practice session after Michael's incident. They could have fixed the floor and the suspension in 5-10 laps, and then had a go at getting their problematic KERS working. They'd still be dead last and the car would probably fail scrutineering due to all the new bits, but they might get a handle on their KERS problem and be better prepared for Malaysia.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:41

Agree, the Mercedes isn't a bad car. Both cars should be able to make it into Q3 assuming the cars are problem free. I expect big improvements on tracks with long straights.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 13:16

Well if you were watching (first time for everything I guess?) at the start you would have seen him starting well, passing cars, being backed up by alonsos mistake (yes he was right behind the top ferrari) and then being nerfed from the back by a torro rosso.

But you know, I know that kind of thing isnt what you want so just keep right on.

Hey, don't knock on me! I'm just sayng I didn't get to see him, so, he was right behind the Ferrari of Alonso? Let me see, that's the Ferrari who had fallen to 9th at the start? that will make Schumacher being, yes he was right behind the top Ferrari in 9th, that will make him 10th! Awesome! so, I would be able to catch a glimpse of this accident in about the upper right hand corner of the screen!! I'll re-watch and put it in ultra slow-mo so that I can enjoy this, thanks!!!!!!

#8998 Sakae

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 13:24

Is Michael having history with Jaime Alguersuari? I am not entiry sure of it, but if memory serves, that's not first time this fellow run into Schumacher's car. Michael must be down. Quali was not what he expected, and now this; a weekend to forget. Next.

Edited by Sakae, 27 March 2011 - 20:27.


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Posted 27 March 2011 - 13:36

Hey, don't knock on me! I'm just sayng I didn't get to see him, so, he was right behind the Ferrari of Alonso? Let me see, that's the Ferrari who had fallen to 9th at the start? that will make Schumacher being, yes he was right behind the top Ferrari in 9th, that will make him 10th! Awesome! so, I would be able to catch a glimpse of this accident in about the upper right hand corner of the screen!! I'll re-watch and put it in ultra slow-mo so that I can enjoy this, thanks!!!!!!

Alonso was out of the track and he return in front of Michael and this way he stop his position improvement. Michael was overtaken Koba, but he pass him again when Alonso block Michael. So he was looking for 7-8th, starting from 11th. Last year also Alonso stop him in first corner.

Edited by ivand911, 27 March 2011 - 13:36.


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Posted 27 March 2011 - 13:44

If schumacer was faster he wouldn't have to be battling with the mid runners :)