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#9001 topical

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 14:04

I think this is going to be another long season for the Michael.

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#9002 jj2728

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 14:20

It is called practice.

Can we please evaluate everyone's performances at the end of the race on Sunday.



Uhmmm, ok how does one evaluate finishing what, 20th? I'd say it's time to stick a fork in Schumacher.....he's done.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 14:24

:rotfl:

Judging by the Merc pace, I think you needs the dolls for the drivers of RBR, McL, Ferrari, Renault and maybe even Sauber and TR !! Horrible start for Merc but let's hope the next one is better !


Horrible, and not unexpected start for Schumacher that is, Nico didn't fair too badly until he was nerfed by Rubens.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 14:30

Horrible, and not unexpected start for Schumacher that is, Nico didn't fair too badly until he was nerfed by Rubens.


He was 9th and loosing pace rapidly. I would hardly call that a fair showing as to what Merc was expecing.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 14:51

He was 9th and loosing pace rapidly. I would hardly call that a fair showing as to what Merc was expecing.


Well he faired a bit better than his teammate.......of which I'm sure Merc was expecting QUITE a bit more.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 15:02

Well he faired a bit better than his teammate.......of which I'm sure Merc was expecting QUITE a bit more.

That's not hard when your teammate get's eliminated from a real race in the second corner already.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 15:15

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 16:13

He was 9th and loosing pace rapidly. I would hardly call that a fair showing as to what Merc was expecing.



He was 8th. Most drivers around him made an earlier stop to new tyres. Could be a heating issue because he improved lap for lap till his fight with Rubens.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 16:36

I thought this was the Schumacher thread?

Michael can't seem to get a break in Australia. He was in the perfect position to do some overhauling as the leading car on fresh tires until one of the crash kids came along. I hope he got an apology!


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Posted 27 March 2011 - 18:52

Very frustrating as yet again he managed to get a great start off the line. Found it bizarre that it was the same duo that nearly took him out at the first corner as last year: Button pushing Alonso wide and MS getting stuck behind the Ferrari.

No positives at all to take away from this weekend.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 20:32

I thought this was the Schumacher thread?

Michael can't seem to get a break in Australia. He was in the perfect position to do some overhauling as the leading car on fresh tires until one of the crash kids came along. I hope he got an apology!


What?

#9012 Scotracer

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 20:35

What?


What's difficult to understand? He was the highest-placed driver (including after Turn 1) to be on completely fresh tyres.

#9013 metz

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 21:26

What's difficult to understand is that Michael is the one that did the crashing into other cars.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 21:45

What's difficult to understand is that Michael is the one that did the crashing into other cars.


indeed, it is difficult to understand. Moreso when it wasnt Schumacher who did the crashing.


#9015 metz

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 21:50

Watch it again. See exactly how he got the puncture.

#9016 arknor

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 21:58

Watch it again. See exactly how he got the puncture.

aye he clearly shoves his car into reverse by mistake and drives backwords into someones front wing, nico shouldnt be brake testing barrichello either , disgusting behavior

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 22:06

If i was Micheal i would give the team until Spain to sort out the car. If it is still as rubbish as it was this weekend it is simply time to leave.


I'm not sure I'd even give them that long. have ZERO confidence in the car or the teams ability to improve it.

#9018 metz

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 22:08

aye he clearly shoves his car into reverse by mistake and drives backwords into someones front wing, nico shouldnt be brake testing barrichello either , disgusting behavior

:rotfl:
You obviously didn't see that he stopped at the Ferrari garage by mistake and they put a tyre without air on his rear.
Give it up!

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 22:22

metz, apologies if it's obvious to you, but it isn't to me. What's your point?

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 22:25

:rotfl:
You obviously didn't see that he stopped at the Ferrari garage by mistake and they put a tyre without air on his rear.
Give it up!


:rotfl: ... and stopped at Williams garage and told Sam that he would not let Barrichello through. In the dark the aging Barrichello hit Rosberg instead.

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Edit: Schumacher was well ahead of Alguersuari before turn #3. The late breaking Alguersuari simply hit Schumacher's right rear wheel. Did Schumacher leave room for him? No. Was he optimistic? Yes. Did Alguersuari expect Schumacher to give him room? Yes. Who caused the puncture? Alguersuari

Edited by weston, 27 March 2011 - 22:26.


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Posted 27 March 2011 - 23:58

First turn - Vettel way ahead of everyone, Schu alongside his teammate, coming up on Alonso

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Button slams the door on Alonso

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Several cars take advantage and pass Alonso. Schu is trapped behind Alonso.


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Turn 3? The nose of the offending TR is just visible behind Schumacher's car

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 00:04

First turn - Vettel way ahead of everyone, Schu alongside his teammate, coming up on Alonso

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Button slams the door on Alonso

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Several cars take advantage and pass Alonso. Schu is trapped behind Alonso.


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Turn 3? The nose of the offending TR is just visible behind Schumacher's car

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Not that it makes any difference, but, I wouldn't call that "Button shuts the door on Alonso" If you see Button's trajectory before that point, Button was already all the way into that corner, if Alonso had been trying to get inside of him, he was the dumb one. Also, Alonso had room to the right if he wanted to in the previous pic, he probably felt someone was already there and so kept to the left.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 00:10

Turn 3? The nose of the offending TR is just visible behind Schumacher's car

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It seems so. Schumacher's right rear wheel was hit a few frames ealier.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 00:13

Where is the "obvious" evidence metz is refering to with claims that Schumacher caused the altercation? BBC reported that it was actually Alguersuari who was the one who was behind it, and from videos I have seen, unfortunately I cannot make my mind one way or another.

#9025 Tardis40

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 00:37

Not that it makes any difference, but, I wouldn't call that "Button shuts the door on Alonso" If you see Button's trajectory before that point, Button was already all the way into that corner, if Alonso had been trying to get inside of him, he was the dumb one. Also, Alonso had room to the right if he wanted to in the previous pic, he probably felt someone was already there and so kept to the left.



Wasn't suggesting that Button did anything wrong. Just that Alonso had to slow down which forced the cars behind him to do the same.



#9026 Paco

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 00:44

Simply a Midpack Racing incident with Michael being on the short end of the stick. Attribute it too poor qualifying more then anything else. Puncture leading to floor damage means it's pretty much useless to draw any conclusions.

The only thing that is obvious is that Nico seems slightly more on pace then Schumi again this year...
The only thing obvious about W02 is that it didn't come prepared to play ball... poor reliability with KERS is one thing but .. their lack of speed was way more then what the KERS and DRS would add to the qualifying and Nico's race preformance.

Looks like it's gonna be a long year for them unfortunately. Lotus-Renault didn't look all that great either. Looks like another 2 team race for the cup year playing out RBR vs. McLaren with Ferrari being a dark horse that could.. maybe.. come into the mix.

Edited by Paco, 28 March 2011 - 00:46.


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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:08

another obvious thing - MS is a better starter than NR..again

#9028 Birelman

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:28

Wasn't suggesting that Button did anything wrong. Just that Alonso had to slow down which forced the cars behind him to do the same.

Yea, I hear ya, I was just sayin it sounded a bit harsh lol, you good :)


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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:35

another obvious thing - MS is a better starter than NR..again


But if keeps starting 3+ places back... really of very little use to the team his good starts.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:44

better to be 3 places up than dropping back at the start. He's just needs to get through the first lap without being hit ;)

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 05:54

Good job, Tardis40. Apparently some people don't even watch the race before logging on here to contribute. I thought he would have been battling with the two Ferraris (splitting the pair) had he not been involved in the first corner incident.


After he picked up the puncture he headed back to the pits on three wheels and then spent the next 20 or so laps driving around with a bent suspension and broken floor with the car pulling every which way: all in all a very 'entertaining' race, in his own words.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 06:52

He made one mistake yesterday. He needed to follow Nico around Alonso, but he get on the left and stuck behind Alonso when he left and return on the track. I guess he expected Alonso to be faster than Nico in the corner. Haime mistake is obvious, he was behind and he stop in Michael tyre. Pretty bad driving from him.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:05

Some of you seem to be looking at every possible reason and excuse to, if not limit the blame, then keep Schumacher completely blameless for the simple fact that he is no longer one of the top dogs of the sport. THAT is a simple fact.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:14

Some of you seem to be looking at every possible reason and excuse to, if not limit the blame, then keep Schumacher completely blameless for the simple fact that he is no longer one of the top dogs of the sport. THAT is a simple fact.

We are happy that you discover this fact. We will never know if he is top dog. For that he need top car. Which 99% is sure he will never have. That is another fact for you.

Edited by ivand911, 28 March 2011 - 12:14.


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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:35

Just when I thought that maybe he would be stronger this season and not totally SUCK - he seemed so 2010 again. It is both sad and funny at the same time. I am OK with him if he get some good results but if nothing happens I think it is better he call it quits midseason.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:42

We are happy that you discover this fact. We will never know if he is top dog. For that he need top car. Which 99% is sure he will never have. That is another fact for you.


Why does he need a top car? So many of you have said that he was the best even when he didn't have the best car. And on occasion, yes he was, but that's over now. And that is fact.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:04

Schumacher just isn't fast enough to beat rosberg, I fear Schumacher could be having a few more bumps and scrapes with the middle pack this year as he's rarely fast enough to make it to q3

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:09

Why does he need a top car? So many of you have said that he was the best even when he didn't have the best car. And on occasion, yes he was, but that's over now. And that is fact.

But, he still have second or third best car then. Not 5-6th best, like now. How was Alonso in 2008/2009?
Wass1985 , I think if car stay like in Australia I think they both will have bumps and scrapes with the middle pack this year. Like in Australia.
"Half of Michaels undertray was broken which costs 40-50 points of downforce, Haug explains."
http://www.auto-moto...en-3567018.html

Edited by ivand911, 28 March 2011 - 13:29.


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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:26

Some of you seem to be looking at every possible reason and excuse to, if not limit the blame, then keep Schumacher completely blameless for the simple fact that he is no longer one of the top dogs of the sport. THAT is a simple fact.


"Form is Temporary, Class is Permanent ".He does not need any excuse like all of the drivers do.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:32

"Form is Temporary, Class is Permanent ".He does not need any excuse like all of the drivers do.



He does not need an excuse for what? His lack of class?

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:36

He does not need an excuse for what? His lack of class?

No, he don't need to have excuse for you.

Edited by ivand911, 28 March 2011 - 13:38.


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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:41

Why does he need a top car? So many of you have said that he was the best even when he didn't have the best car. And on occasion, yes he was, but that's over now. And that is fact.


For the same reason Hamilton needs one. He couldn't make into Q2 in 09 until they fixed the car. Then suddenly he was winning races.

Michael had arguably the most dominant year ever in 2004, winning 12 out of the first 13 races. The following year there was a rule change and Bridgestone couldn't provide their teams with a competitive tire. He won one race and that was a gift. In 2006 the single set of tires rule was abandoned and he was looking good for title #8 until an engine failure in the penultimate race.

When Michael came into F1 in the early 90's it wasn't the ultra refined science that it has become. There was still room for "seat of the pants" talent to show itself. Today, with the exception of a wet lottery, if you don't have the machinery you're screwed.



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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:44

No, he don't need excuse from you.


You're wrong. Last I heard Michael was totally downcast after reading some his his critics' baseless nerdrage comments and refused to be interviewed for a response.


Moving on from comedy time: http://sidepodcast.c...rom-the-circuit

Merc live telemetry from the circuit, did anyone use it for the race on Sunday? Looks interesting.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:49

He does not need an excuse for what? His lack of class?


Are you saying that Michael lacks class :eek: you must really dislike him to make such a statement .

Pls tell me of a current driver who has class as per your view.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 13:55

Are you saying that Michael lacks class :eek: you must really dislike him to make such a statement .

Pls tell me of a current driver who has class as per your view.


Of course I'm saying he lacks class. And no, I am neither here nor there with regards to him. I have said as much in the past. And it has nothing to do with whether or not I think ANY of today's F! drivers have class. I'm saying he lacks it, that's all.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 14:21

Some of you seem to be looking at every possible reason and excuse to, if not limit the blame, then keep Schumacher completely blameless for the simple fact that he is no longer one of the top dogs of the sport. THAT is a simple fact.


How is he to blame for that puncture?

Of course I'm saying he lacks class. And no, I am neither here nor there with regards to him. I have said as much in the past. And it has nothing to do with whether or not I think ANY of today's F! drivers have class. I'm saying he lacks it, that's all.


Well you are well within your rights to have that opinion, so what is your point? How is having class or not relative to racing and the puncture? It seems to me it only relates to you. :)

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 14:28

Where is the "obvious" evidence metz is refering to with claims that Schumacher caused the altercation? BBC reported that it was actually Alguersuari who was the one who was behind it, and from videos I have seen, unfortunately I cannot make my mind one way or another.


After years of it being Schumachers fault when Damon ran into the back of him. Commentators just working from previous experience.

Edited by JtP1, 28 March 2011 - 14:29.


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Posted 28 March 2011 - 14:28

How is he to blame for that puncture?



Well you are well within your rights to have that opinion, so what is your point? How is having class or not relative to racing and the puncture? It seems to me it only relates to you. :)



Ok, let me make it simple for you. Firstly, it was not I who mentioned Schumacher's class or lack there of. Someone mentioned earlier that 'form is temporary, class is permanent" So scroll up and read a bit before you throw out accusations. Did I say he was to blame for his puncture? No, I did not. I've said that he is well past his prime and I stand by that.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 14:59

Ok, let me make it simple for you. Firstly, it was not I who mentioned Schumacher's class or lack there of. Someone mentioned earlier that 'form is temporary, class is permanent" So scroll up and read a bit before you throw out accusations. Did I say he was to blame for his puncture? No, I did not. I've said that he is well past his prime and I stand by that.


I said "Form is Temporary, Class is Permanent "

What i mentioned as class was that Michael's achievement in the last 2 decades.

His record speaks for his class.What i mentioned as Form was his bad patch for various reasons

You said Michael lacks class.Now tell me what does Michael lack.

Edited by destiny, 28 March 2011 - 15:00.


#9050 jj2728

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 15:17

I said "Form is Temporary, Class is Permanent "

What i mentioned as class was that Michael's achievement in the last 2 decades.

His record speaks for his class.What i mentioned as Form was his bad patch for various reasons

You said Michael lacks class.Now tell me what does Michael lack.


When you say achievments, do you mean his stats? If so, stats and having class have nothing to do with one another. Schumacher lacks class and that is MHO (my humble opinion). I think at best he is a lacklustre personality. And THAT is opinion and nothing more.