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#9151 FigJam

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 09:29

It could be that...or maybe not. Hard to know any other way...

However I'd be seriously surprised if MS really thought the Spa 2000 pass from Hakkinen was the best ever executed on him.

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#9152 BRK

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 09:40

I think that particular pass took him by surprise as he certainly wouldn't have expected MH to pass him there, not with a backmarker in the way. Probably why he remembers it so well!

#9153 Ruf

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 10:04

However I'd be seriously surprised if MS really thought the Spa 2000 pass from Hakkinen was the best ever executed on him.

Maybe. Maybe not. Who cares however, not that was the question that was asked. The question was "what are your top 5 favorite races".

#9154 topical

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 10:43

It was a top pass, no question. However it wouldn't even rank in my top 10 passes in history (from what I've seen over the years), it was drummed up spectacularly at the time because it was smack bang in the middle of their title fight.


I don't agree with you on Villeneuve who, as others said, really should have wrapped up the title much sooner with that Williams (yes, as Hakkinen also should have in 1999) but you may well be right on the point above. But that's just life, isn't it? If Trulli makes an amazing pass on, say, Kovaleinen for 17th place in the middle of a season, it might get a few comments but a week later no one's talking about. The media and most fans mostly focus on the leaders and title fights. Hence that pass in Spa has become legendary, just like Senna and Mansell's wheel-to-wheel in Spain 1991,whereas plenty of other equally impressive passes or wheel-to-wheel battles simply disappear into history. A bit unfortunate, but there you go.

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#9155 merschu

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 10:55

Michael went to see the Malaysian track on roller blades! :)

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#9156 EdwardCullen

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 11:15

wow thats cool

#9157 dde

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 11:17

I think that particular pass took him by surprise as he certainly wouldn't have expected MH to pass him there, not with a backmarker in the way. Probably why he remembers it so well!


And also because it was the most important pass he endured in a battle for the championship. It was not only a race, it was the continuity of a bad summer, he'd just lost the leadership, and the so wanted title was really getting away at that moment. It was a terrif pass in a dramatic moment. All that together just makes more impression than anything else can do.



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Posted 07 April 2011 - 12:42

It was a top pass, no question. However it wouldn't even rank in my top 10 passes in history (from what I've seen over the years), it was drummed up spectacularly at the time because it was smack bang in the middle of their title fight.

IMO that's exactly why it was such a risk for both, and required the largest of large balls. DNF's are expensive.

#9159 FigJam

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 13:42

True...I can't argue with that, in fact I agree completely.

More the actual pass in itself, in terms of difficulty, technique and execution...just don't rate it highly. For context though, yes it was a spectacular pass at a crucial stage.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 16:17

So Schumacher expects the race to be a lottery. He didn't get much wet running during winter testing, so hopefully it'll be pooring down starting with FP1.
A lottery and a repeat of the race exactly ten years ago. Please! :clap:

#9161 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 16:36

5 you mean?

#9162 Tardis40

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 17:10

Michael went to see the Malaysian track on roller blades! :)


Is he on the full wets, or the inters?

#9163 merschu

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 19:31

Is he on the full wets, or the inters?


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Michael actually was on dry hard tyres and managed to finish the lap on them when it was raining! Thus showing some old Schumi magic of being able to drive in wet conditions on dry tyres! :)

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#9164 Sakae

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 19:53

Michael went to see the Malaysian track on roller blades! :)

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Nah, flaps up, and he will soon overtake Webber who is still trying to finish the Oz-race prior next one starts.

Edited by Sakae, 07 April 2011 - 19:54.


#9165 BRK

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 19:56

Rollerblading. In the rain. At 42. :smoking:

I hope he gets his notes right!



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Posted 07 April 2011 - 20:51

I don't agree with you on Villeneuve who, as others said, really should have wrapped up the title much sooner with that Williams (yes, as Hakkinen also should have in 1999) but you may well be right on the point above. But that's just life, isn't it? If Trulli makes an amazing pass on, say, Kovaleinen for 17th place in the middle of a season, it might get a few comments but a week later no one's talking about. The media and most fans mostly focus on the leaders and title fights. Hence that pass in Spa has become legendary, just like Senna and Mansell's wheel-to-wheel in Spain 1991,whereas plenty of other equally impressive passes or wheel-to-wheel battles simply disappear into history. A bit unfortunate, but there you go.

Case in point, .

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 21:35

Where can I find that hat he is wearing?

#9168 bsoares

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 21:46

Where can I find that hat he is wearing?


https://www.ms-paddo...n=shop.produkte

#9169 Sof1

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 07:29

Is Schumi really doing well in FP 1&2 or am I dreaming (i jut woke up :p )?

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 07:38

FP does not mean much but it's surely nice seeing his name in the top 5.

#9171 ivand911

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 07:43

Is Schumi really doing well in FP 1&2 or am I dreaming (i jut woke up :p )?

You are dreaming. Go back to sleep. :rotfl:


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:10

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MS: OK ,where is this Frans guy?

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:42

Where can I find that hat he is wearing?


On his head :p

#9174 FenderJaguar

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 12:27

Just about the pass JV made on Schumacher on the outside at Estoril in 1996 I think it was one of the best I have ever seen. Even more so because no other F1 driver would have thought it possible going on the outside. JV was really good back then.

Also seeing the start of this season - I think Schumacher has lost the edge. It is time to retire.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:12

+

brilliant start again
he beats Rosberg by far
ha can overtake somehow di Resta in the last laps

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car is a ***
Merc race tactic too...



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Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:52

Just about the pass JV made on Schumacher on the outside at Estoril in 1996 I think it was one of the best I have ever seen. Even more so because no other F1 driver would have thought it possible going on the outside. JV was really good back then.

Also seeing the start of this season - I think Schumacher has lost the edge. It is time to retire.

So after this race I presume a lot of other drivers need to retire too, including especially Nico..

Not. :drunk:

#9177 BRK

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:19

Just about the pass JV made on Schumacher on the outside at Estoril in 1996 I think it was one of the best I have ever seen. Even more so because no other F1 driver would have thought it possible going on the outside. JV was really good back then.

Also seeing the start of this season - I think Schumacher has lost the edge. It is time to retire.


If age was bogging him down so much how come he's so quick off the line and still maintains his trademark corner entry technique (as someone from MGP remarked last year)? You need to be able to judge throttle and traction perfectly for a good start, he's been making demon starts these two years, his reflexes have hardly dulled and physically he's superfit to carry so much speed into the corners.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:57

I think Schumacher has lost the edge.


He was beaten by Rosberg last year. He's never been beaten by a team-mate during the course of an entire season.

Ever.

So duh.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 13:10

Hello everybody, haven't been here for quite a while - nice to see Shumi overtaking somebody at the last laps of the race, even if it's just for 9th place, and even if it wasn't show on the telly since it's not top-places battle...

Anybody knows what is M Schumacher's salary for years 2010, 2011, 2012 - he has 3-year contract, right?

Thanks!

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#9180 ivand911

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 13:13

Hello everybody, haven't been here for quite a while - nice to see Shumi overtaking somebody at the last laps of the race, even if it's just for 9th place, and even if it wasn't show on the telly since it's not top-places battle...

Anybody knows what is M Schumacher's salary for years 2010, 2011, 2012 - he has 3-year contract, right?

Thanks!

8 million euro per year from the team. Plus money from personal sponsors.


#9181 BRK

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 13:16

He was beaten by Rosberg last year. He's never been beaten by a team-mate during the course of an entire season.

Ever.

So duh.


He's never had a three-year break from racing before returning, either.

#9182 salamin

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 13:18

and bonuses for each point *(up to 20 mill euro)

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 13:19

Another poor race for the Michael. How much longer can it go on? What odds a second year in a row without a single podium?

Edited by topical, 10 April 2011 - 13:20.


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Posted 10 April 2011 - 13:22

Another poor race for the Michael. How much longer can it go on? What odds a second year in a row without a single podium?


well he outperformed Britney, which is a good sign even if the weekend was shitty for merc

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 13:25

It was a decent performance.maybe without the wrong strategy decision he could have gained a place or two.But he seems to have extracted the maximum from the car today.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 14:23

well he outperformed Britney, which is a good sign even if the weekend was shitty for merc


Who's Britney?

I think most worrying for MS and all concerned is simply how poor the Merc is. They are obviously lacking the right personnel to make a top car, albeit they got lucky once in 2009.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 14:26

Another poor race for the Michael. How much longer can it go on? What odds a second year in a row without a single podium?

Did you actually watch the race? His drive was not poor at all

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 14:43

what I meant was that last year was a comeback year and he had a tough time - ok. the start of this season doesn't seem to be that much better. even if the Merc is bad I think the old Schumacher would have done better. He has to improve before midseason or Merc would be better off with another driver.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 14:49

what I meant was that last year was a comeback year and he had a tough time - ok. the start of this season doesn't seem to be that much better. even if the Merc is bad I think the old Schumacher would have done better. He has to improve before midseason or Merc would be better off with another driver.


Why another driver?

MS outperformed Nico today and all throughout practise sessions bar Q2.

By your logic, Nico should be replaced. :rolleyes:

If anything, if the team doesn't begin to start showing signs of improvement from the second half onwards, both drivers should seriously reconsider their futures at Tyrell...uh I mean...BAR....oops I meant Honda? Or is it Brawn? Mercedes?

They had a head start development over the rest of the field last year and they've still managed to go backwards relative to Renault, Ferrari and co.....






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Posted 10 April 2011 - 14:52

what I meant was that last year was a comeback year and he had a tough time - ok. the start of this season doesn't seem to be that much better. even if the Merc is bad I think the old Schumacher would have done better. He has to improve before midseason or Merc would be better off with another driver.

I think that we need to consider his car too. From top 6 car to get P9 is not bad. If he drive top 3 car , I would agree with you. But,this is not the case. He drove well today. 2011 will be another development year for the team.

Edited by ivand911, 10 April 2011 - 14:53.


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Posted 10 April 2011 - 14:55

A solid drive from Michael - not helped by his excursion off the circuit that effectively cost him possibly 7th place (extra crucial points are all we can hope for really).

I give Merc until Silverstone, a race I shall be attending, to improve or I'm going to have to give up on them - Michael or no Michael.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 14:56

Every year is a "development year" or a "we'll start on next year's car early" with the titan that is Honda/Mercedes.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 15:21

Another poor race for the Michael. How much longer can it go on? What odds a second year in a row without a single podium?

how was it a poor race for michael? it was a poor race for merc theres not much anyone can do in this car

#9194 Levike

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 15:23

If we assume that Nico is a top quality driver, then Michael's performance was simply superb today.

I'm afraid, that the cars is a dog, like last year's.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 15:49

Another poor race for the Michael. How much longer can it go on? What odds a second year in a row without a single podium?



Blah blah. As if anyone else could do better in that car. Who was the top Merecedes today anyway!

I do think Micheal should give up on the team though, but i know its not his style.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 15:56

Another poor race for the Michael. How much longer can it go on? What odds a second year in a row without a single podium?


:rolleyes: try watching the race instead of just the highlights squished between soccer and baseball scores. It would help a lot. Promise. :kiss:

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 16:25

If we assume that Nico is a top quality driver, then Michael's performance was simply superb today.

I'm afraid, that the cars is a dog, like last year's.


Your first assumption is not justified. Nico is a decent but not a top quality driver.

Your second statement is sadly true. I just wonder will MS bother sticking around for a 3rd year if this is all they can offer him?


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Posted 10 April 2011 - 16:28

:rolleyes: try watching the race instead of just the highlights squished between soccer and baseball scores. It would help a lot. Promise. :kiss:


Really? So you think podiums are a realistic target for Schumacher this year? Or you think trundling around for 9th place in a dog of a Mercedes is what he had in mind when he came out of retirement?


#9199 FenderJaguar

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 16:32

Why another driver?

MS outperformed Nico today and all throughout practise sessions bar Q2.

By your logic, Nico should be replaced. :rolleyes:

If anything, if the team doesn't begin to start showing signs of improvement from the second half onwards, both drivers should seriously reconsider their futures at Tyrell...uh I mean...BAR....oops I meant Honda? Or is it Brawn? Mercedes?

They had a head start development over the rest of the field last year and they've still managed to go backwards relative to Renault, Ferrari and co.....


So this year he might be faster than Rosberg on occasions (but Rosberg still leads 2-0 in quali) in a car more suited to his style - but as you say - it seems they are going backwards compared with other teams.

What if Michael's input is a part of the Mercedes problem?

I honestly don't know but from a marketing side I can't see Mercedes putting a lot of money into F1 if this goes on for much longer. They will have to do something and get somewhere. Soon!

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 16:38

I have an honest question. I understand Schumacher's reflexes and hand-eye coordination may not be as good as they used to be in his heyday. But, surely his leaderships skills, developments skills, and all the other skills that made him such an asset should all still be there. We've all heard stories about him ringing up engineers in the middle of the night with questions, motivating them, etc.

Is he not doing any of this stuff anymore?