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#9501 libano

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:10

Is it bias when they're actually correct?


when you hear those clowns questioning schumacher's racecraft, how can you possibly take them seriously? he's had countless amazing races where he plowed through the whole field. even today he made some of the best passing moves of the day. nah, they never got over 1994.


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#9502 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:10

Yeah he might not be totallyslow, but he's awareness is gone, he seems to panic rather then defend.

no, probably he needs to understand that defending today is not really possible.
today overtaking was just a bit too easy

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:17




Indeed - having the audacity to question if he knew how to overtake and defend because he won a lot of races from the front. Some of his best drives have been through carving his way through the field. Those two clowns may want to watch the race in Monaco 2006 for a lesson on Schumacher's race craft. Of course both clowns know this, they just couldn't resist a little dig from the comfort of their commentary box...........oh but don't forget Coulthard can still pass judgement, I mean he's tearing up the DTM scene.....isn't he? Yeah exactly.
And yet they both heap praise on Vettel - a fine young racing driver, no doubt about it but he really is a man whom can only win from the front and has little to no race craft whatsoever.

Edited by Apollonius, 08 May 2011 - 14:18.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:21

when you hear those clowns questioning schumacher's racecraft, how can you possibly take them seriously? he's had countless amazing races where he plowed through the whole field. even today he made some of the best passing moves of the day. nah, they never got over 1994.


And when Schumacher's Ferrari was miles faster than the rest, and he would be pulling away at a second per lap, what did Martin used to say about him then? Things like, "come on boys give me a challenge", and "he is looking in his mirror wondering where they are. He is just on a different level to everyone else". Praise, credit, nothing but good words.

Praise if you win, criticism when you loose. Seems rather unbiased really.


#9505 BRK

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:22

Interesting race there. I had live timing on the whole time and his pace was actually pretty good, even with the traffic around him and the constant swapping he was still matching the front runners, that was a pleasant surprise. His racing was itself on the limit stuff, same as his Ferrari days, there were occasions I was hoping he'd just let the damn car behind pass rather than risk an accident - but this is Michael Schumacher, yielding and MS don't go hand in hand.

The racing's a joke now and it seems more and more people are now coming around eventually: it's all down to the tyres more than anything else and the DRS.

The root cause is obviously his qualifying performance: a) he needs to sort his one lap pace out; b) they need to find out what the **** is happening to his car between FP3 and qualifying, that's been a trend we've seen for quite a while now. If he can qualify further up ahead he could stay clear of the nutcases at the back like Petrov and Kobayashi: less risk of a DNF, cleaner racing.



#9506 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:22

Brundle's attitude towards Schumacher is somewhat confusing. It's between a mixture of awe of his achievments and snide remarks tinged with a hint of jealousy and wit.

Its the tone and the tenor of the comments.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 08 May 2011 - 14:25.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:24

And there were some very shoddy moves too.

I agree he wasn't as bad as some people are trying to paint here, but he didn't look like a 7xWDC today.


He looked like the same driver who turned in on JV back in '97. He surely hasn't forgotten how to do that. Leopards never change spots.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:28

If he can qualify further up ahead he could stay clear of the nutcases at the back like Petrov and Kobayashi: less risk of a DNF, cleaner racing.


Nutcases? They were just racing. MS was acting like every other car was being driven by JV. Turning in on petrov was just stupid.


#9509 BRK

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:31

Wait a second, if Schumacher had tried a bonehead move like Petrov did - outbraking himself and nearly taking them both out - you'd all have still said the same thing. :lol:

#9510 Massa_f1

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:31

In my opinion Schumacher just left it to long to come back. Had he returned in 2008. I think he would of cleaned up and could of retired on top. He simply left it to long.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:34

Nutcases? They were just racing. MS was acting like every other car was being driven by JV. Turning in on petrov was just stupid.

He turned into the left hander as every good F1 driver would - Petrov then overshot the corner and drove into Schumachers car. Shoddy driving by Petrov, but Michael has to play the whipping boy again and gets the blame.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:36

If he can qualify further up ahead he could stay clear of the nutcases at the back like Petrov and Kobayashi: less risk of a DNF, cleaner racing.


Now Petrov and Kobayashi are nutcases.......... :rolleyes:

#9513 libano

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:39

He turned into the left hander as every good F1 driver would - Petrov then overshot the corner and drove into Schumachers car. Shoddy driving by Petrov, but Michael has to play the whipping boy again and gets the blame.


that's exactly how i saw it. their remark: "he just doesn't know when to give up."
pathetic.

#9514 libano

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:40

Brundle's attitude towards Schumacher is somewhat confusing. It's between a mixture of awe of his achievments and snide remarks tinged with a hint of jealousy and wit.

Its the tone and the tenor of the comments.


this!


#9515 glorius&victorius

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:40

Now Petrov and Kobayashi are nutcases.......... :rolleyes:


is that trolling?

#9516 glorius&victorius

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:44

Brundle's attitude towards Schumacher is somewhat confusing. It's between a mixture of awe of his achievments and snide remarks tinged with a hint of jealousy and wit.

Its the tone and the tenor of the comments.


I think Brundle's "tactic" at commentating MS eversince he returned to F1 has been 1) to hail MS, and in fact raise expectations all the time... and 2) when Michael underperforms Brundle goes into "puzzled-mode".... how can this be? how can the great MS this and that.... 7times WDC etc etc


He does it all the time in all the commentating about MS. Fixed pattern there.
It's not very clean towards MS... (but MS offcourse couldnt be bothered by someone like Brundle who never drove to pole position, or ever won a race)
So to use your words: it must be stemming from some kind of envy and jealousy (I guess)


Eddie Jordan on the other hand is definitely sincere about MS.

Edited by glorius&victorius, 08 May 2011 - 14:51.


#9517 BRK

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:45

That's all right, I'm sorry for you guys that have to put up with this sort of biased commentary. Petrov overshot his braking point and Schumacher stuck to his racing line = it's Schumacher so he must have turned in. That's the sort of conditioning that goes on in Britain and elsewhere.

Thankfully I don't have to listen to this sort of garbage race after race.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:45

I think you're making too much over it, its called media and entertainment and witty banter.

#9519 Jazza

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:46

He turned into the left hander as every good F1 driver would - Petrov then overshot the corner and drove into Schumachers car. Shoddy driving by Petrov, but Michael has to play the whipping boy again and gets the blame.


MS hits petrov's rear wheel, and that's because petrov drove into him?

I don't think that even other MS fans will support you on this one... And the MS bashers may have just laughed themselves to the point of peeing and shitting at once.


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#9520 glorius&victorius

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:49

But I do feel that MS drove like an inexperienced F3000 driver today.

#9521 Spa95

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:51

MS hits petrov's rear wheel, and that's because petrov drove into him?

Petrov hit MS front wing when he overshoot the corner, you will surely understand that Schumacher won't just sit there leaving the door open for ever. We also saw Petrovs shoddy driving when he pushed his team mate into the pit lane (FFS!).

And the MS bashers may have just laughed themselves to the point of peeing and shitting at once.

Weirdo.

#9522 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:54

What frustrates me is that the speed seems to be there at times, but nothing ever comes together wholesomely.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:56

But I do feel that MS drove like an inexperienced F3000 driver today.


And it looked like alot of the other guys were taking advantage if this. Sutil for example just chucked his car inside expecting to scare Schumacher.

He is getting quicker but his racecraft is just plain awful. Then again, it always has been.

#9524 Massa_f1

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:56

What frustrates me is that the speed seems to be there at times, but nothing ever comes together wholesomely.



The only time speed is ever there is free practice sessions. Its never Qualy and Race.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:57

Interesting race there. I had live timing on the whole time and his pace was actually pretty good, even with the traffic around him and the constant swapping he was still matching the front runners, that was a pleasant surprise. His racing was itself on the limit stuff, same as his Ferrari days, there were occasions I was hoping he'd just let the damn car behind pass rather than risk an accident - but this is Michael Schumacher, yielding and MS don't go hand in hand.

The racing's a joke now and it seems more and more people are now coming around eventually: it's all down to the tyres more than anything else and the DRS.

The root cause is obviously his qualifying performance: a) he needs to sort his one lap pace out; b) they need to find out what the **** is happening to his car between FP3 and qualifying, that's been a trend we've seen for quite a while now. If he can qualify further up ahead he could stay clear of the nutcases at the back like Petrov and Kobayashi: less risk of a DNF, cleaner racing.



When Mercedes focus on race fuel set up wthich Brawn has hinted at, and focus on strong race performance through updates and parts, then we'll have a more balanced weekend for everyone involved.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:58

Sutil for example just chucked his car inside expecting to scare Schumacher.

Michael was on old tyres - Sutil, diResta and Barichello on new tyres. It's easy to overtake (the same goes for MS) if you have such an advantage.

He is getting quicker but his racecraft is just plain awful. Then again, it always has been.

:yawnface:

Edited by Spa95, 08 May 2011 - 14:58.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:59

Petrov hit MS front wing when he overshoot the corner, you will surely understand that Schumacher won't just sit there leaving the door open for ever. We also saw Petrovs shoddy driving when he pushed his team mate into the pit lane (FFS!).


What petrov and his team mate did latter on has nothing to do with MS turning in on a car that was already past him. Had petrov come flying past at 300 at went straight into the run off, fair enough. But he was along side, out braked, and despite being hit on the right rear while turning left, he was still able to make the corner!!! The pass was clean, MS just would not give up and whacked a car in the back on purpose (or he doesn't known how long the front of his car is).

#9528 BRK

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 14:59

We also saw Petrovs shoddy driving when he pushed his team mate into the pit lane (FFS!).


Exactly, people either missed that or are careful to not let that one pop up. Typical GP2-style driving from a lot of the drivers today and NH's displeasure over his teammate's racing was plain for all to see.

He is getting quicker but his racecraft is just plain awful. Then again, it always has been.


Weren't people saying the opposite thing last year? Especially after Barcelona and the Schumacher-Button battle. Pick one.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:00

He turned into the left hander as every good F1 driver would - Petrov then overshot the corner and drove into Schumachers car. Shoddy driving by Petrov, but Michael has to play the whipping boy again and gets the blame.


You can turn into the left hander... if there's not a car already there. A bit like Jerez 1997 really, you can turn in unless there's already a car there.

Schumacher turned into Petrov, twice. First, when he bumped him into the air, second to destroy his front wing.

It was Petrovs corner. He was on the inside and ahead.

Schumachers front wheel hit Petrovs rear.

100% Schumachers fault.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:03

Yes that could be anyone's corner if you dive into it with such speed and not making the corner.

Schumacher should have waited to steer in but Petrov went in way to hard and was never going to make it. So you can't say schumachers fault.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:04

You can turn into the left hander... if there's not a car already there. A bit like Jerez 1997 really, you can turn in unless there's already a car there.

Schumacher turned into Petrov, twice. First, when he bumped him into the air, second to destroy his front wing.

It was Petrovs corner. He was on the inside and ahead.

Schumachers front wheel hit Petrovs rear.

100% Schumachers fault.

Its not "turning in" if you're leaving a car width when you're turning. Petrov outbraked himself and was going straight through.
The comparison with Jerez 97 is simply ridiculous

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:04

What petrov and his team mate did latter on has nothing to do with MS turning in on a car that was already past him. Had petrov come flying past at 300 at went straight into the run off, fair enough. But he was along side, out braked, and despite being hit on the right rear while turning left, he was still able to make the corner!!! The pass was clean, MS just would not give up and whacked a car in the back on purpose (or he doesn't known how long the front of his car is).

What if Petrov braked excessively in front of MS, because otherwise he would have not taken the corner? IMO MS turned tight to the inner kerb for eventual counter attack as the normal exit line for Petrov is to the right, but he slowed down.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:05

Wait a second, if Schumacher had tried a bonehead move like Petrov did - outbraking himself and nearly taking them both out - you'd all have still said the same thing. :lol:


Of course. It was simply a bonehead move by Petrov and Michael was surprised by how much Petrov overshot the corner.

Schumacher should have yielded because Petrov was clearly faster, he should have been more carefull on what Petrov was doing at the corner and not touch him. But in the end most of the blame goes to Petrov.

Massa barged Michael off the road and we have seen plenty of contacts. Saying that Michael defended or overtook worse that the rest of the grid is simply idiotic.

Edited by Diablobb81, 08 May 2011 - 15:09.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:06

Was I watching the same race as some of the people here? Michael turned expecting to get the undercut on Petrov, which could have played out nicely had Petrov not STRAIGHTLINED the corner...On a positive note his pace looked pretty solid today until he got swamped in traffic in the final stint, he just needs to find out what the hell went wrong in qualy yesterday.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:07

Schumacher should have waited to steer in but Petrov went in way to hard and was never going to make it. So you can't say schumachers fault.


Which one is it going to be?

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:08

The comparison with Jerez 97 is simply ridiculous


Only a light-hearted comparison to suggest you cannot turn into a corner if another car is already there. Schumacher turned in too early, which is why he lost a front wing.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:11

Petrov did out brake himself and dive bombed into the move: he locked his wheels up and ran straight on a bit, do people even watch the damn race before coming up with these fantasy theories? All MS did was stick to his racing line, if he hadn't 'turned in' when he did he would have run wide and let more cars past, the entire discussion is a bit stupid, really.

Go back and watch what Rosberg did when he was passed at the exact spot later on and had the inside line going in, he didn't dive bomb in and did not overshoot his braking point.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:12

All MS did was stick to his racing line...


But he didn't!

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:17

What if Petrov braked excessively in front of MS, because otherwise he would have not taken the corner? IMO MS turned tight to the inner kerb for eventual counter attack as the normal exit line for Petrov is to the right, but he slowed down.


If petrov could slow down enough to take the corner, how is that braking excessively? Isn't that a part of racing, brake as late as you can.

Again, if petrov went flying into the run off then you could say that he over did it and MS go caught out by VP crazing driving. That is not what happened.

How can anyone pass MS if,

*being on the inside,
*having 90% of you car in front,
*being slow enough to still take the corner,

Is now considered wrong? In other words, do not pass MS! It is mean.



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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:17

Petrov did out brake himself and dive bombed into the move: he locked his wheels up and ran straight on a bit, do people even watch the damn race before coming up with these fantasy theories? All MS did was stick to his racing line, if he hadn't 'turned in' when he did he would have run wide and let more cars past, the entire discussion is a bit stupid, really.

Go back and watch what Rosberg did when he was passed at the exact spot later on and had the inside line going in, he didn't dive bomb in and did not overshoot his braking point.


Schumacher tried to push Petrov off the track before the corner...

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:37

In my opinion Schumacher just left it to long to come back. Had he returned in 2008. I think he would of cleaned up and could of retired on top. He simply left it to long.

Lol, and race for who exactly? Return to Ferrari would result in either a newly crowned, and quite expensive, WC being disposed of or Massa being put aside - a factor in why Schumacher left in the first place. Elsewhere, there is no connection, no new project, no Brawn, no Mercedes. This was the only real perfect opportunity for him.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:47

I think Brundle's "tactic" at commentating MS eversince he returned to F1 has been 1) to hail MS, and in fact raise expectations all the time... and 2) when Michael underperforms Brundle goes into "puzzled-mode".... how can this be? how can the great MS this and that.... 7times WDC etc etc


He does it all the time in all the commentating about MS. Fixed pattern there.
It's not very clean towards MS... (but MS offcourse couldnt be bothered by someone like Brundle who never drove to pole position, or ever won a race)
So to use your words: it must be stemming from some kind of envy and jealousy (I guess)


Eddie Jordan on the other hand is definitely sincere about MS.


Firstly, brundle has been massivley complementary to Schumacher many times in the past but it's the same tired old routine, no one is allowed to critisise him, no matter what he does. I've lost track of the number of times people like Moss, Mansell, Lauda, Prost have made a single critical remark of MS and his fans foam at the mouths like rabid dogs. The moment you critisise him you're a 'hater' or a 'basher' a xenphobe or a jealous prick, it gets tedious. He's a guy, he makes mistakes and when he does it's fair to critisise him.

As for the sneering remark about Brundle, in his entire career he never once drove a car that achieved a pole in anyones hands and only once drove one that achieved a win, that was a single win in 92 with MS which was the result of a fortuitous tyre change. He also finished ahead of MS that season 3 times in the same car (average finsihing position 3.6 compared to MS at 3.1) and was a world sportscar champion so let's not paint him as a tosser behind the wheel just because it suits your agenda, ok?

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:48

He didn't push anyone off track, he moved across to defend from Petrov and jerked away enough to give Petrov space going into the braking zone: clearly he was trying to switch to the inside line at the turn (thus keeping to the racing line) but Petrov had overshot himself. The only way for MS to have avoided the incident was to have run wide at the corner or have let Petrov past without trying to defend. Maybe he should've and avoided the unnecessary clash, but to say he turned into Petrov is pretty stupid when that's the only way into the corner if you're trying to get on the inside. We saw quite a few overtakes at that corner where drivers were able to keep to the line and go wheel to wheel through the chicane, with Petrov there was no chance as he was already well past his braking point.

Edited by BRK, 08 May 2011 - 15:50.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:49

It is funny to read all the 'holier than thou' defence in favour of MS regarding the Petrov incident, then to read Schumacher admitting himself he was somewhat responsible http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/91282 :lol:

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:56

He didn't push anyone off track, he moved across to defend from Petrov and jerked away enough to give Petrov space going into the braking zone: clearly he was trying to switch to the inside line at the turn (thus keeping to the racing line) but Petrov had overshot himself. The only way for MS to have avoided the incident was to have run wide at the corner or have let Petrov past without trying to defend. Maybe he should've and avoided the unnecessary clash, but to say he turned into Petrov is pretty stupid when that's the only way into the corner if you're trying to get on the inside. We saw quite a few overtakes at that corner where drivers were able to keep to the line and go wheel to wheel through the chicane, with Petrov there was no chance as he was already well past his braking point.


If petrov had really overshot the corner then MS would have simply turned in behind him. The fact that there wasn't room for MS to do this suggest that VP did not go flying past the corner like he had forgot to brake.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:56

Petrov did out brake himself and dive bombed into the move: he locked his wheels up and ran straight on a bit, do people even watch the damn race before coming up with these fantasy theories? All MS did was stick to his racing line, if he hadn't 'turned in' when he did he would have run wide and let more cars past, the entire discussion is a bit stupid, really.

Go back and watch what Rosberg did when he was passed at the exact spot later on and had the inside line going in, he didn't dive bomb in and did not overshoot his braking point.


That's bulls***. Where does it look like Petrov has locked up and overshot? He turned into him plain and simple.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 15:57

Lol, and race for who exactly? Return to Ferrari would result in either a newly crowned, and quite expensive, WC being disposed of or Massa being put aside - a factor in why Schumacher left in the first place. Elsewhere, there is no connection, no new project, no Brawn, no Mercedes. This was the only real perfect opportunity for him.

To be fair, in 2008, the cars were like 2006 with tire rules and configurations, plus refueling, so I think Schu would have done very well in 2008...

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 16:01

To be fair, in 2008, the cars were like 2006 with tire rules and configurations, plus refueling, so I think Schu would have done very well in 2008...

I agree, but there were no opportunities for him to return.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 16:08

If petrov had really overshot the corner then MS would have simply turned in behind him. The fact that there wasn't room for MS to do this suggest that VP did not go flying past the corner like he had forgot to brake.


Watch the move again. Petrov was going straight on well past the braking point and there was no way he could have taken the inside line: doesn't even look like he tried to turn once he'd got his nose past Schumacher. His car was pointed straight at the kerb when they made contact, the only way he could even have made the corner was if he'd run it wide and tried to come back on the outside at the next turn. MS took the inside line expecting Petrov to have been further ahead, racing incident, plain and simple. Schuamacher flicks wide enough before the corner to set up a move on the inside. What he could have done was either backed off completely as Rosberg did later and let Petrov pass - or take the same line as Petrov without trying to switch. He didn't and chose to race him instead, that's all there is to it.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 16:08

He's too old, every other race has a massive error in it. Things are only going to get worse until he or Mercedes cry enough.