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#9551 BRK

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 17:43

Considering the impact put petrov into the air I think the chances of it slowing him down were slim, tarmac generally has more friction than air. Petrov was turning into the corner fine, the collision put him up in the air and rotated him to the right, that's what knocked him off the line.

Racing incident though, it was clearly an error on MS's behalf, not intentional but equally not petrovs fault in the slightest.


How does a car that gets hit on the right rear wheel when it is trying to turn left (and gets slightly in the air because of it) slow the car down to help it make a left turn? It has the complete opposite effect. Had MS not touched petrov he would have slowed down for the corner easily. It was no dive-bomb.

And petrov was clearly turning left for the corner when they hit. All this crap that petrov was some kind of mad man who would never have made the corner is just a cover for MS's mistake. petrov made a fair move down the inside, got track position, and MS stuffed up trying to take the place back.


A body that's been impacted at an angle to its original direction of motion does lose momentum: at two points in this case, first when they touched and second when his car hit the ground later. Of course it slowed him down. Had MS run into him from behind it would've had the opposite effect.

Nobody's saying Petrov was a madman, he simply overshot his braking point (not the same as overshooting the corner as the collision ensured that never happened for all the world to see) and would have run wide to get back on track. Simple mistake. Missing your braking point isn't always dramatic with smoke billowing out and flat spotting the tyres, I think that's why people are making the mistake of thinking he would have taken the corner easily.

Definitely a racing incident as I said, though.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 17:53

A body that's been impacted at an angle to its original direction of motion does lose momentum: at two points in this case, first when they touched and second when his car hit the ground later. Of course it slowed him down. Had MS run into him from behind it would've had the opposite effect.

Nobody's saying Petrov was a madman, he simply overshot his braking point (not the same as overshooting the corner as the collision ensured that never happened for all the world to see) and would have run wide to get back on track. Simple mistake. Missing your braking point isn't always dramatic with smoke billowing out and flat spotting the tyres, I think that's why people are making the mistake of thinking he would have taken the corner easily.

Definitely a racing incident as I said, though.


A car braking for a corner with all 4 wheels on the ground stops faster than one bouncing in the air. A car also starting to turn left (into a left hand corner) that gets hit on the right rear also unbalances the car causing it to then go straight.

The hit would have caused petrovs car to slow down, but not nearly as much has had he not been hit at all. Petrov did not out brake himself. He was braking at about the same rate as MS all through the braking zone. If MS could slow down enough to hit the back of petrov, then petrov could slow down enough to make the turn.

It's 100% MS fault. He tried to retake petrov and stuffed the move up by turning in way too early.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 17:58

A car braking for a corner with all 4 wheels on the ground stops faster than one bouncing in the air. A car also starting to turn left (into a left hand corner) that gets hit on the right rear also unbalances the car causing it to then go straight.

The hit would have caused petrovs car to slow down, but not nearly as much has had he not been hit at all. Petrov did not out brake himself. He was braking at about the same rate as MS all through the braking zone. If MS could slow down enough to hit the back of petrov, then petrov could slow down enough to make the turn.

It's 100% MS fault. He tried to retake petrov and stuffed the move up by turning in way too early.

When he was probably 15kph faster than Michael AND offline, then slowing down at "about the same rate" as MS isn't good enough to make the corner. If it were, that Renault would be up there ahead of even the RB7.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 17:59

BRK, give it up man :rolleyes:

He was alongside Schumacher and made the corner despite being hit.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:05

When he was probably 15kph faster than Michael AND offline, then slowing down at "about the same rate" as MS isn't good enough to make the corner. If it were, that Renault would be up there ahead of even the RB7.


Watch the replay. From about 50 meters from the apex MS and VP are side by side. As they get right up to the corner they are still side by side. It is not as if VP came flying up the inside on the apex after braking much later.

And again, petrov still made the corner despite being hit causing his car to straighten, and having his car get airborne while slowing down. Had the contact not happened he obviously would have still made the corner.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:05

More because he was hit he made that corner.

I think everyone here will say Michael made a mistake by steering in too soon and touching Petrov. But the move Petrov made was from way to far and he came in way to hard. Had Michael not steered and touched him he would have gone straight past Michael and not make that corner.

#9557 BRK

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:05

A car braking for a corner with all 4 wheels on the ground stops faster than one bouncing in the air.


A car with 4 wheels on the ground stops faster than one that's flying through the air. If it's bouncing (on the ground presumably) it's losing momentum. :rolleyes:

A car also starting to turn left (into a left hand corner) that gets hit on the right rear also unbalances the car causing it to then go straight.


Didn't look like it was an instant before the clash, as I said.

The hit would have caused petrovs car to slow down, but not nearly as much has had he not been hit at all.


How can you tell?

Petrov did not out brake himself. He was braking at about the same rate as MS all through the braking zone. If MS could slow down enough to hit the back of petrov, then petrov could slow down enough to make the turn.


Braking at 'about the same rate' in an F1 car is as vague as it gets, I'd say, a fraction too late at these speeds and you've missed your braking point. And Petrov was getting ahead of MS even in the braking zone.

It was a racing incident.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:06

The desperation amongst Schumi fans continues.

About a year ago I read a very good post on another forum titled "Federer fan at peace" which basically went on to say that whatever happens in Federer's career from this point onwards, his fans should be satisfied with all his accomplishments and even if he loses every match he plays from this point on, they'll sleep easy without feeling the need to defend him, or get upset in the face of criticism.

It seems that the majority of Schumacher fans are not at peace however and reading through these threads and the decent into ever more bizarre excuses, I'm starting to feel pretty sorry for some. It seems, as Jeremy Irons said to Guy Pearce in "The Time Machine" they have always been haunted by those two most terrifying words; 'what if'.

What if he didn't have a dominant car, #1 status, one-way data, unlimited testing, bespoke tyres, etc... In this era of equality the cold and harsh reality of that question has become abundantly clear.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:10

Watch the replay. From about 50 meters from the apex MS and VP are side by side. As they get right up to the corner they are still side by side. It is not as if VP came flying up the inside on the apex after braking much later.


F1 cars have a finite length, they're not point objects: the cars were side by side but Petrov was still getting ahead of the Merc in the zone. :rolleyes:

And again, petrov still made the corner despite being hit causing his car to straighten, and having his car get airborne while slowing down. Had the contact not happened he obviously would have still made the corner.


Petrov was slowed down by and because of the impact, not despite it.


More because he was hit he made that corner.

I think everyone here will say Michael made a mistake by steering in too soon and touching Petrov. But the move Petrov made was from way to far and he came in way to hard. Had Michael not steered and touched him he would have gone straight past Michael and not make that corner.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:12

What if he didn't have a dominant car, #1 status, one-way data, unlimited testing, bespoke tyres, etc... In this era of equality the cold and harsh reality of that question has become abundantly clear.


You forget to add to that list about him being 20 years younger. When Michael made his debut the current WDC was 4 years old.

Even if the question is clear the answer never will be.

Edited by Diablobb81, 08 May 2011 - 18:13.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:12

A car with 4 wheels on the ground stops faster than one that's flying through the air. If it's bouncing (on the ground presumably) it's losing momentum. :rolleyes:



Didn't look like it was an instant before the clash, as I said.



How can you tell?



Braking at 'about the same rate' in an F1 car is as vague as it gets, I'd say, a fraction too late at these speeds and you've missed your braking point. And Petrov was getting ahead of MS even in the braking zone.

It was a racing incident.


Cars bouncing do loose speed. Cars with 4 wheels on the ground loose more speed because their brakes work!

How can anyone think that a slight tap, followed by the car bouncing, can possibly remove more energy from the car then the brakes can.




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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:17

F1 cars have a finite length, they're not point objects: the cars were side by side but Petrov was still getting ahead of the Merc in the zone. :rolleyes:


If the cars were side by side for a duration then they were going the same speed (or decelerating at the same rate). How the hell did MS turn into the corner (and hit petrov) if petrov was going too fast for the corner?


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:29

If the cars were side by side for a duration then they were going the same speed (or decelerating at the same rate). How the hell did MS turn into the corner (and hit petrov) if petrov was going too fast for the corner?


:lol:
Good point :up:

#9564 BRK

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:40

If the cars were side by side for a duration then they were going the same speed (or decelerating at the same rate).


Petrov's car was going further ahead after they had entered the braking zone.

How the hell did MS turn into the corner (and hit petrov) if petrov was going too fast for the corner?


Because they were too close and were trying to take the same line with Petrov's car heading straight ahead. Schumacher timed his move wrong and Petrov was about to head straight on, had MS taken a wide line instead of defending before the corner as he did Petrov would have run wide with nothing to retard his motion.

Cars bouncing do loose speed. Cars with 4 wheels on the ground loose more speed because their brakes work!

How can anyone think that a slight tap, followed by the car bouncing, can possibly remove more energy from the car then the brakes can.


The clash slowed both Petrov and Schumacher enough that Massa zipped past both and a Williams and a Renault nearly took them as well. As you observed VP didn't run wide after the clash either: you are trying to argue it didn't slow Petrov as much as braking would have, in which case Petrov would have lost even more positions if he had braked. Normal behaviour for a car under braking, of course...

Do you have any idea how inane that sounds?

Edited by BRK, 08 May 2011 - 18:41.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:42

Michael for the love of God, pack it in. It's sad to watch.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:42

The desperation amongst Schumi fans continues.

About a year ago I read a very good post on another forum titled "Federer fan at peace" which basically went on to say that whatever happens in Federer's career from this point onwards, his fans should be satisfied with all his accomplishments and even if he loses every match he plays from this point on, they'll sleep easy without feeling the need to defend him, or get upset in the face of criticism.

It seems that the majority of Schumacher fans are not at peace however and reading through these threads and the decent into ever more bizarre excuses, I'm starting to feel pretty sorry for some. It seems, as Jeremy Irons said to Guy Pearce in "The Time Machine" they have always been haunted by those two most terrifying words; 'what if'.

What if he didn't have a dominant car, #1 status, one-way data, unlimited testing, bespoke tyres, etc... In this era of equality the cold and harsh reality of that question has become abundantly clear.



Well i am very happy with his career you dont win races in cars like the 92-93 Benetton or even 96 and dare i say 97 Ferrari with out being one of the best.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:45

He's past it

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 18:51

Schumacher is too used to fuel strategies and not this street-fighter style racing.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:02

Poor Schumi, you just don't comprehend the old bloke running around in 12th is a 7 times champion and not a rookie with an unimpressive first season inexplicably given another chance. But even then a rookie has a future where they may be faster.

Just colliding with Petrov was a failure, even if blame was shared.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:07

The excuses are piling up and Rosberg seems to be able to extract performance from the same car.

Time waits for no one.

Hulkenberg is the reserve driver at Mercedes powered Force India. I will be curious to see is MS makes it to his home GP.

Edited by AyePirate, 08 May 2011 - 19:07.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:16

Rosberg is probably the best teammate Schumacher's ever had from my point of view, and before 2010 he's had de Cesaris, Piquet Snr, Brundle, Patrese, Verstappen, Lehto, Herbert, Irvine, Barrichello and Massa. Some good drivers, but nothing you could call top tier, and I think Rosberg is a driver which could possibly be classed as that, so it's probably making Michael look even worse.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:22

I have seen many people throwing vitriolic remarks against Schumacher getting owned in this new era by Rosberg and other drivers, but I never can scathe him because this guy is probably the greatest F1 driver ever and he has been the main reason why F1 burgeoned in popularity in many parts of the world. He deserves respect and even he finishes 24th this season, the name and the brand of Michael Schumacher will live long.

But......


Some of the deliberate antics shown by MSC today were outrageously non-professional. Steve Slater said :- "He is driving like a desperate old man."

I hope Michael won't taint his brand name by repeating these. :-(

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:24

Some of the deliberate antics shown by MSC today were outrageously non-professional. Steve Slater said :- "He is driving like a desperate old man."

I hope Michael won't taint his brand name by repeating these. :-(


Yeah but think of people who have only started watching F1 in the last 5 years or so, they'll be wondering what was so great about this old fool. I feel sorry for him, out of the car he's better then he's ever being but he's over driving and panicing as if he now needs to prove something

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:29

I wouldnt be surprised that this season will be last for shumi and barrichello maybe webber....

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:31

I wouldnt be surprised that this season will be last for shumi and barrichello maybe webber....


Maybe you're right it is time for them to go, maybe Heidfeld aswell.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:34

He's past it

I doubt anyone would've said that on Saturday morning. I just think he's got a still target on his back, all the kids are desperate to lunge down the inside at all cost and scrape past him and then go back to their teams and say 'I beat Michael Schumacher where's my new contract?'

Sutil and Algersuari have the worst obsession for Schumacher. Petrov obviously went OTT at the thought of overtaking the ex-champ too.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:36

Maybe you're right it is time for them to go, maybe Heidfeld aswell.


Don't forget Jarno, his contract is up at the end of the year and i suspect he'll get ditched by TL.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:39

As a pretty vocal Anti-Schumacher for about 20 years, I can't help but love all the excuses his fans are having to make for him. Having said that, even the hater that I am, I still have tons of respect for the driver that he is, or was. I have to admit watching him struggle against Rosberg has been a real treat, but, now, I think I've seen enough of that, and every time I watch him now it just saddens me to see him like this. Mike, please, just let us laugh at you until the end of this year then hang it up for your own good!!! :cool:

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:41

Don't forget Jarno, his contract is up at the end of the year and i suspect he'll get ditched by TL.


yep, Trullis big party trick was qualifying well above his cars station, he's not even got that anymore :well:

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:42

MS should carry on to the end of his contract in 2012. I'm enjoying seeing him being taken down a peg or two. He may be taking up a seat that a younger, better driver should be in, but I'm not so sure the Mercedes is that much better than the Renault or Force India.



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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:45

I doubt anyone would've said that on Saturday morning.

Schumacher has shown he can be decently quick once in a while, but he's hardly shown any moments of brilliance since his return to F1.

Edited by Seanspeed, 08 May 2011 - 19:45.


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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:47

I have seen many people throwing vitriolic remarks against Schumacher getting owned in this new era by Rosberg and other drivers, but I never can scathe him because this guy is probably the greatest F1 driver ever and he has been the main reason why F1 burgeoned in popularity in many parts of the world. He deserves respect and even he finishes 24th this season, the name and the brand of Michael Schumacher will live long.

But......


Some of the deliberate antics shown by MSC today were outrageously non-professional. Steve Slater said :- "He is driving like a desperate old man."

I hope Michael won't taint his brand name by repeating these. :-(


Such as? The coming together with Petrov was just two mistakes- first from Petrov and the other by Schumacher- hence why there was no penalty. Petrov went in too deep but Schumacher didn't realise it and turned in to squeeze Petrov and they came together. After that he was a sitting duck at times as he was often on old tyres trying to defend against cars that should be slower but that had tyres that were 2-3 seconds faster and it all looked very chaotic. I think we will see some serious accidence due to situations like that this year- 2-3 fast cars trying to pass 2-3 slow cars and it all ending up in tears.

Having said that, the writing is on the wall. It's certainly his last season and the way he was speaking after the race he might not even make it to the end. If he isn't enjoying it, and isn't an asset to the team then I don't see why he would continue- it's not like he needs 1 last pay day.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:51

having watched every race michael has ever driven,

havint watched spain 96 and all the wins at Spa and brazil 06, which was an awesome drive, I am dumbfounded...

it cant be age... barrichello is almost as old and he's ok...

but the crash into Petrov was one of the most pathetic things I've seen in a long time in F1; its really almost like , Michael cant understand what is missing... like, it should be there, it should be fast enough, and when it isnt, he starts going over the limit;

i was still giving him the benefit of the doubt, kers problems, drs problems etc, but to drive into petrov's back-wheel, not even kobayashi can pull that off....


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what happened to FP3, Michael was fast, and then, it falls to pieces horribly

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:54

Last year he was just somewhat bad and boring but this year I'm glad he's back. I'm enjoying this!

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 19:58

what happened to FP3, Michael was fast, and then, it falls to pieces horribly

Strange things are happening at MGP.... Michael shows he still can be quick, but someone in the team just don't want Michael to be quick... That's my opinion. Last year it was the case and this year again. That couldn't be coinsidence or bad luck anymore. Michael should quit at MGP, because strange things are going to happen continuously. Mark my word!

#9586 Birelman

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:01

Strange things are happening at MGP.... Michael shows he still can be quick, but someone in the team just don't want Michael to be quick... That's my opinion. Last year it was the case and this year again. That couldn't be coinsidence or bad luck anymore. Michael should quit at MGP, because strange things are going to happen continuously. Mark my word!

Priceless!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#9587 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:04

Strange things are happening at MGP.... Michael shows he still can be quick, but someone in the team just don't want Michael to be quick... That's my opinion. Last year it was the case and this year again. That couldn't be coinsidence or bad luck anymore. Michael should quit at MGP, because strange things are going to happen continuously. Mark my word!


However you would spin it, as long as he isn't racing in F1 anymore that is the main thing.

#9588 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:10

Strange things are happening at MGP.... Michael shows he still can be quick, but someone in the team just don't want Michael to be quick... That's my opinion. Last year it was the case and this year again. That couldn't be coinsidence or bad luck anymore. Michael should quit at MGP, because strange things are going to happen continuously. Mark my word!


yeah yeah, the same strange things happened to MSC's teammates at Benetton & Ferrari - what goes around, comes around. :wave:

#9589 Birelman

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:11

yeah yeah, the same strange things happened to MSC's teammates at Benetton & Ferrari - what goes around, comes around. :wave:

haha! the funny thing is, those days it was actually true! LOL

#9590 NateF

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:17

Rather than age it might it be that with three years out, things might have changed too much for him?

#9591 exmayol

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:19

Besides his early accident with VP, which was totally MS mistake, I haven't seen any signs of desperate driving by the old man. Too bad he ruined his own race but it happened and thats life. Folks posting that hes not gonna make it to the end of the season - he surely will. Even if he quits after this year he'll do it on a positive note.

#9592 puxanando

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:23

Rather than age it might it be that with three years out, things might have changed too much for him?

he was to confident coming back....and now there is no way back....

#9593 SeanValen

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 20:47

he was to confident coming back....and now there is no way back....



Well one of the main problems with the current era and being corrected by Todt is the complete lack of testing, there should be at least some limited testing which may come in 2012, with this era of rules, and even when Michael attempted his aborted ferrari comeback in 2009, to come in and practice on friday on the gp weekend with the current car after 3 years out, very brave, but hugely difficult task, if anyone could of made something of it, he would of, but given the expectations on him to perform straight away, the task is difficult, you need practice having been out like that, rookies need practice, returning drivers need practice in some form, I know he hired a old f1 car, but it isn't the same.

Michael once said, once your out your out for good. He's trying to test that out as he is a person who needs challenges, it's alot more difficult then he thought it could be, and maybe the tyres/current car/tyre, the way it needs to be driven is just out of realm from the car/styres he was used too. He's still perhaps having to make comprimises, but if he wheeled out the f-2000 ferrari, would he beat the rest? Maybe. If you remember Kimi on michelins, he wasn't the same on bridgestones, and maybe Alonso is not the same guy who left the michelin shod renault behind, he's still one of the best out there, but my impression of Kimi and ALonso was, they seemed so comfortable on michelins, Alonso hasn't won a title since the tyre wars came to a close, and Hamiton just piped him on bridgestone in 2007.

I don't think these pirelli tyres have helped MS considerably, but maybe his approach to qualifying had been wrong at times, who knows, Brawn has been tlaking about concentrating on race fuel set up more, and the Q3 times of MS at Turkey iis something that needs explaining for MS's own sake and everyone else. Rosberg has been at one with the merc since day one despite it being not a contender, the main issue for MS is driving the way he wants too without making the comprimises he needs too for the tyre/car package, maybe it's the rules/current car/tyre regulation, maybe if the car can contend for wins, or a update that gives him more set up options to be at ease with the car, if you look at Turkey in 2010/Spain 2010/Spa 2010/Suzuka 2010, he was driving like we expect him to and was ahead of Rosberg in his first season back. So as long as MS and Mercedes can understand what's happening, it'll make things much easier to discuss, MS's set ups and the way he drives has always been unique, and his speed in slow corners especially in 2010 was the issue, Brawn said he was fast in the fast corners but losing time in odd corners like slow ones where Rosberg took advantage,yence why MS was fast at Spa/Suzuka/Spain/Turkey last year-fast corners. He has unique set up requrements which would probably bring up unique issues, and we've seen some of that in the races so far. Maybe why he's been fast in races, certainly race pace wise, but not able to find qualifying solutions as it might comprimise his race solution, and since you can't touch the cars overnight from qualifying, with no sunday race warm up, the regulations may have prevented us from seeing his true work ethic in motion/yence comprimised weekends

But now with these rules, you don't need to be on pole, but certainly Vettel can pole and race pace still well, so MS has gotta hover around a top 6 position this year at least if Mercedes continues a improvement, and as many have said, race pace is less of a issue, it's this Q3 situation. Kimi was not the same qualifying driver in 2007 when he came to ferrari and bridgestone, he won the title yes, but his race pace helped more so then poles, MS is gonna have to be more like Alain Prost then Senna in the current era/with his style and these rules.



Edited by SeanValen, 08 May 2011 - 20:59.


#9594 Massa_f1

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 21:58

I can not see him staying past Monaco to be honest. i got the impression from his interview that he is in the process of making up his mind of on weather to stay or go. I think the next two races will decide that. I think one of things keeping him going is his free practice pace. He is always good on Friday, but then something just goes come qualifying and the race. I don't know what it is sadly and it does not look like he does either.





#9595 razno

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 22:01

don't know if posted...

MS in rain in turkey...



#9596 Frans

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 22:01

Wonderful race. Loved it

#9597 puxanando

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 22:01

No more fun for Schumi


Michael Schumacher has admitted for the first time that he is not enjoying racing following a disappointing start to the second season of his comeback.


Schumacher told BBC Sport: "The big joy is not there right now."

"I guess I was responsible myself to have the result that I had. With Petrov I guess it was mostly my mistake what happened there.

"I need to analyse it. It was a bit strange that suddenly we got together and I lost my front wing. The race was a given from there - lots of fighting, lots of action, but for nothing.

To many times using the word "strange".... :cat:

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 22:04

Rather than age it might it be that with three years out, things might have changed too much for him?


It's age. He's lost the bleeding edge of mental/physical capacity to know the limits of the car and the limits of himself.

Give him a clear track and no pressure and he can turn a good lap, as he has done a fair few times in practice.

Put him in qualifying and the times aren't there. Put him in traffic and contact has become inevitable.

Watching the BBC coverage, even DC quietly acknowledges that he needed to swallow his pride and leave F1 before the end of his final season. Schumacher should be brave enough to do the same.

#9599 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 22:06

but then something just goes come qualifying and the race.

I don't know..with Q you might have a point (though Turkey was his first trouble free session)...

but race day he's been very good so far. he got in a tangle with petrov today but other than that....his starts are almost perfect, his speed was there, his racecraft was there.
what is the point with the race problems?

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#9600 SeanValen

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 22:07

I can not see him staying past Monaco to be honest. i got the impression from his interview that he is in the process of making up his mind of on weather to stay or go. I think the next two races will decide that. I think one of things keeping him going is his free practice pace. He is always good on Friday, but then something just goes come qualifying and the race. I don't know what it is sadly and it does not look like he does either.



But what expression were you expecting from him, if he was too relaxed, it would be for some, he doesn't care. In 2010 some didn't like how chilled out he was most of the time. But because he is dssappointed in a Monaco 2004 fashion, it actually shows he wants to know badly what happened, that's a good sign to get to the bottom of things.

But like you said, he needs answers, because he has been competitive at various times, but he isn't going to get answers straight after the gp and even so, he will and the team share it with us? Maybe we won't know until he does actually do well, and all is forgotten, remember it wasn't untlil Spain last year when he done well, that the same questions came up.